We Are Going To Be Nuked
…says Joel Skousen interviewed recently by John Wells on Coast-to-Coast-AM. Joel, a political scientist specializing in the philosophy of law and Constitutional theory, has been an expert in the field for decades, and believes we still have time before the inevitable day when the major cities of the US will be nuked.
Joel espouses a strong message for sure, but perhaps one that we should not overlook while being open minded to the possibilities of our uncertain future.
“We have time” he says, but how much time? He discusses various preconditions, some of which could present themselves within several years. However he believes with apparent 90% certainty that this will come to pass within 10 years, and quite possibly sooner.
He, and many others including yours-truly, believes there is a globalist agenda afoot, and has been for some time. Not a NATO-type agenda, but a darker globalist militarized New-World-Order agenda. One where ‘they’ want to force Americans (and the rest of the West) into… a new world government.
Listening to the 2 hour interview was fascinating. The man clearly is intelligent and has a unique ability to observe the many events going on around us (and those that have already occurred historically) and tie it all together in a spider web that all comes together in the middle, and explain it in such a way that makes sense – if you’re open to the concept of this conspiracy.
I couldn’t possibly summarize it properly without several thousand words, but my takeaway from the interview was his strong conviction that China will ultimately do us in, after an alliance with Russia (and China) goes sour. He does not believe that an upcoming war with Iran will lead to WW3, but instead believes that it will be sometime afterward when China has developed more of a blue water navy (China is actively building aircraft carriers as we speak).
My own observation of the relationship between Russia and China is that they are indeed aligned in many areas today, particularly when it comes to averting the dollar and transacting or seeking solutions to transact in currencies other than the dollar (a.k.a. the ‘BRIC’ nations – Brazil, Russia, India, China). In fact, the BRIC’s are actively seeking their own alternative to the SWIFT system of electronic banking (look it up).
The Chinese have a predatory agenda. They have always historically despised the West. China apparently has built over 3,000 “huge” bunker systems while at the same time the US gov’t has also built and is building underground bases and bunkers (according to Skousen). The elites in the US and elsewhere are having bunkers built, as though they know what’s coming…
Skousen says “Not everyone dies in a nuclear war”. This is true, although everyone dies in the targeted cities. He does not reveal the names of all the cities that he believes will be targeted, but he did conversationally reveal the following during his interview… San Diego, Omaha, Washington DC, Seattle, Jacksonville, and Colorado Springs. A logical thinking person will know that pretty much any major city will be targeted, and there are quite a number more that we could add to the list (I’m sure you can figure it out).
Most of the radiation from a nuclear blast target zone dissipates in weeks to a month (do your own due-diligence here), at which time our ‘leaders’ will come out of their bunkers, the military having been neutered/destroyed due to the preemptive strike.
The idea being that the only chance of survival for those who survived outside the targeted cities will be to join forces with them. That is, enough remaining Americans will be so desperate for help that they will accept the new global militarized New World Order to save them.
Globalists want to use WW3 as the ultimate instrument to put us in a headlock to get Americans to drop sovereignty after the military is decapitated and to become so desperate so as to do anything to be saved, and to then be ‘harnessed’. War forces people into things they would never dream of…
Skousen believes that we will continue to experience an economic downhill slide until this war comes… which will be a fairly big surprise for most because the gov’t will keep us from knowing this is coming.
The globalists motivation is not money or power. They already have all that. They want a complete control system. It borders on Satanic. Skousen goes on to identify some of the globalists to include Henry Kissinger, Hank Paulsen, and ALL of the federal reserve chairman’s.
He finishes up by suggesting to get away from the major cities, and that population density is your worst enemy (which we also concur, for a number of reasons).
There is no doubt that to prepare for such a disaster (catastrophe – apocalypse), one would need to take prepping to a very high level, the first level of which is one’s location.
We are not endorsing the opinions of Skousen, but we certainly are not discounting them either. Keeping an open mind to what ‘could’ or ‘might’ happen is healthy, and sheds light on one’s own threshold of tolerance when it comes to how far one is willing to go to insure their own survival.
How far are you willing to go?
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Let’s see, ramped up NBC training of non deplorable non essential units of recent, top SNCOIC and brass being directed to purchase surpluses MOPP gear from out in town for family members….. The launch of 5 Millie’s to detect air streams at the just so happens to e the max range to intercept ICBM with our version of the iron dome….ie 60-75-km….so we can see fallout patterns people……notice how the tests were done near DC…
@Keeper; Non deplorable troops??? What status are these non deplorable troops? Did you mean non deployable (you know Ken, I hate the spell check on this thing) troops? If that is what you meant, there is no such thing! If you are in the military you MUST be deployable (e.g. have a Secret security clearance and have no medical problems). If you are not, you are separated from service, period. You are useless. There is no such thing as a non deployable troop that is not in the process of being separated from the military. Nobody gets ramped up training of NBC (which is now called CBRNE, pronounced CEE-BURN-EE). We could hardly get everyone trained ONCE a year and make our SORTS numbers. I retired last year as an E-8 in a special unit. Been doing this sh&% since 1972…..I was drafted!!! We don’t launch missiles to do airstream work. We fly U-2s to do that!!! Or balloons!!! Not missiles. Anyone purchasing extra MOPP gear is doing it on their own. Not that that is foolish, I have my own as well. Several sets. I’m not stupid. FYI, Iron dome is a SHORT range Israeli missile/shell defense system. It will not stop incoming ICBMs!!! Though, though there are those systems in the U.S. that are not public knowledge…….they will stop 90+% of the missiles as high as 98%, maybe more. 5000 missiles equals 50 hits at 99%. This is the probable maximum number of warheads (high end) the Russians possess Very survivable, if you have appropriate shelter. Four to six weeks underground, in the worst cases (except not around nuclear power plants) will keep you safe (a survey meter is necessary to assure this, suggest you get one, and NO, I don’t sell them). What tests with missiles are you referring to around D.C.? Oh, don’t use Kms, this is America, we use miles!!! Are you a U.S. citizen? Oh, NASA does not do ANY military work other than lift “PAYLOADS” IT IS ASKED TO LIFT. They are paid to do it. They are given a sterile lift container and they “lift” it per spec, period. This is gibberish (i.e. BS) Getting long. Survive well. Enjoy.
First, I’m a Marine veteran since 94
Non deployable, non essential, meaning units not scheduled for ANY upcoming deployment.
I’m talking full UNIT ramped up NBC training, not yearly gas mask qual…. I’m talking why s1 shops in non forward units need full NBC training? And certain SNCOIC being side told to pick up extra gear.
http://mashable.com/2012/03/19/watch-nasa-rocket-launch/ heres an article do more searching,
Yeah I said km, and I know what the iron dome is, we sold it to them. I said our version of it. And the range is rated in km, and it’s 75ish. It can intercept an ICBM, once itt enters the radar in that range…. Hence why the rockets were detonated at various distances to determine possible points an ICBM may come into radar…….
Don’t be a google geek..
@Keeper; A few points here. First my apologies for the tone, but I get tired of armchair commandos presenting bogus, paranoid, BS, conspiracy information on any forum. It’s disingenuous and not in anyone’s best interest other than to foment anguish and chaos and basically just to scare the sh*t out of people that don’t know any better, but sound, researched, observations and cogent discussion are always welcomed by me. Second, don’t know what “5 Millie’s” [sic] are, but if you are referring to the Terrier rockets that NASA uses, they use them for exo-atmospheric work, which is the atmospheric zone that weather balloons can’t get to (i.e greater than 23-27 miles and I don’t know what that is in km) and satellites can’t get down to (less than 70-80 miles). They were produced as far as I remember, from back in the 50s and 60s and if I recall correctly the USMC even had some baby ones that were used for SAMs. Third, they’ve been doing atmospheric research exactly like this for years and it’s not a secret. If you were a veteran from 94 (early 20s then, I guess), then they’ve been doing this since before YOU were born. You can Google it, or check Wikipedia, that or go to NASA’s web sites and other research sites on (*.edu) and check the data with universities that collaborate with NASA. It’s your choice as it’s all public knowledge. Fourth, the ops tempo was significantly upgraded after 9/11, FOR ALL TROOPS. Also since the mid to late 90s ALL military personnel were required to have Secret security clearances. Since 9/11 no one was allowed to be permanently “undeplorable” [sic] (sorry couldn’t resist) for any reason. All the troops, whether you call them s1, mailmen, personnel, paper pushers, admin, it didn’t matter, all had to be deployable or they were separated. I know cuz I separated a bunch of slugs and neer-do-wells as well as those sad cases that could not be avoided. SO YES, EVERYONE must be deployable, soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines, even if they aren’t “in rotation” for a scheduled deployment. Any single person must be deployable at any time with 7 days of notice (that is theoretical but some people have been deployed like that as last minute backfill). Fifth, that also means that everyone MUST have full CBRNE training, every year. and that includes donning and doffing the full MOPP gear (MOPP 4), full decon training, etc. The only people that get more training are the ones that run the training in the units and yes, they tend to be senior NCOs and lower ranking officers. So that is true, but it is common knowledge and there is nothing nefarious about it. Sixth, the rockets NASA launched went much higher than the Iron Dome reach of 43.4 miles (70 km) and its hard to calibrate something if you exceed it’s limits by 50% plus your own reference puts them at 60-65 miles high (97 to 105 kms), which is consistent with the numerous other launches of this kind. Also the tests were off the east coast (that’s where they do them in the east)” and with the prevailing weather of the US moving WEST TO EAST, it wouldn’t tell you much about fallout patterns from nukes over the eastern seaboard as they would be drifting out to sea at 60 miles high and who cares about that? Seventh, you state that “top SNCOIC and brass being directed to purchase surpluses MOPP gear from out in town for family members” [sic] but you give no references. You know as well as I do that you cannot be directed to buy particular items. If it isn’t in print or a traceable document somewhere it is just hearsay. Now, don’t get me wrong, I told people they should have this stuff at home, JUST FYI as a prepper, but I couldn’t order them to do it NOR was what I said official policy, ever. It was only a suggestion from one adult to another. Anyone in the NBC training cadre, IMHO, would be remiss if they didn’t tell fellow members that “it wouldn’t hurt to have some at home”….you know just in case. Eighth, Iron Dome wasn’t designed to stop ICBMs, although it is theoretically possible to stop some, but not something to rely on, as RVs are a stretch out of the performance envelope for ID. Ninth, thanks for your service and I sincerely mean that. Tenth, I am not a Google geek, as I have lived a lot of this shit, up close and personal, so please don’t trash my service. I’ve been in special electronics, computers, radar, SLBM detection, submarine tracking, space tracking, instructor, combat engineer, CLS, expert marksman and on and on ad nauseum. Eleventh, I WAS drafted in 1972, I have been shot at and shot back, I did do 11 years AD, my career did span almost 4 decades (38 years and 33/34 for pay), I’ve done several contract tours over the years etc. This is not meant to be a rant, just naked observation. Due respect young lad and Semper Fidelis from and old soldier. Survive well. Enjoy.
Sorry…5 rockets by NASA
@Ken, politely of course.
Oddly enough, a city busting attack will kill a lot fewer Americans than an EMP style attack. Might want to re-read “One Second After”. We no longer live in a mutually assured destruction environment. Too few warheads remain.
Let’s say that the Chinese have 200 – 300 ICBMs that can reach North America. Let’s also say that they all work, Chinese quality control is something for another post, and they get by missile defenses.
Would really suck to be in one of the targeted cities. Most, but not all, will die. Sounds like a good reason to live in a smaller city.
I don’t think that their attempt to get a blue water navy will be an issue for us. Might scare the hell out of their neighbors.
I don’t think I would describe the Chinese as ‘predatory’. ‘Opportunistic’ might be better. Since Mao died, they haven’t attacked anyone.
Be well.
The article is basically a very short summary of an interview with Joel Skousen, and his opinion of what may come to pass. I do agree with some of the possibilities that he mentioned during the 2-hour interview, while not all of them. Regarding a conspiracy of a globalist agenda take-over of the US, if one were to engage in ‘what-if’ scenarios, it seems a city-busting nuke attack would serve their agenda much more so than EMP (the nuke attack is the scenario in which Skousen says is a real possibility). If there really was (is) such a conspiracy, then ridding the majority of the population would not serve their purpose (EMP) whereas taking out say, 20 cities, would be enough to do it, while enabling the takeover of sovereignty. It’s all quite a mind bender, but was quite interesting to listen to.
@Ken; As much as I hate to say this, the reason Jimmy Carter disavowed the Neutron bomb was because it made war PROBABLE, made it more likely. Any globalist agenda is concerned with PROFITS and a destroyed infrastructure inhibits PROFITS, e.g. EMP. Yes, a calculated strike, would serve them much better, it would preserve the infrastructure they need to continue business. Unfortunately there is no guarantee of the results as it may get AWAY from them. And we are the unlucky recipients. Oh well. Survive well. Enjoy.
@Ken.
I was focusing on the Chinese part. They don’t need people, got plenty.
Be well.
@Mortimer; With all due respect, my friend, as BI and I have been at this impasse several times. China does not have more than 30-40 ICBM capable warheads. You are correct that a missile attack will not POTENTIALLY kill as many people as an EMP event. There are 5 grids in the US. Four are connected and the Texas grid is not. It should survive, even though there are about 7 major targets there. If it survives, it can be used to bring up the others. Any one grid can be used to bring up the others. If you are not in the top 250 cities in the US then (250 x 16=4000) you are probably safe. My city is not listed in the top 275 and I live more than 10 miles from there. I think I can survive. Yes, the Chinese are “opportunistic”, I agree. Just don’t provide them the opportunity. If you are in a city that is over 125K you are in danger, particularly if you are within 50 miles of a MSA. Move, now, while you can still save yourselves and family, please. Survive well. Enjoy.
@TripodXL.
Not trying to nitpick. If the Chinese have so few warheads, I’m in the clear as there is no way they would target the city I live near. Not enough payoff.
The big concern, in my mind anyway, isn’t having power generation. The state I live in has a lot of hydro power. Transformers are the issue. Unless your appliances can use 50,000+ volts.
I didn’t understand the ‘(250 x 16=4000)’ part.
Be well.
@Mortimer; Reverse order. The 16 x 250 is this; there are 275 MSAs in the US (metropolitan survey areas) above a certain population of 100,000+ and I arbitrarily rounded that down to 250 (easy math). The MAD doctrine (Mutually Assured Destruction; and this can be looked up) states that for the most part, military structures and infrastructures are not targeted, because that would indicate some attempt at achieving military superiority in a nuclear conflict and therefore making it “winnable”. In MAD it is assumed that if the destruction is SO BAD that all of your civilization is destroyed, without hope of survival, that you will not do it, so basically pure military targets will not be targeted (i.e. missile silos as it would take 2-4 missiles to ASSURE that the silo is dead, why not use them to kill people as they are a whole lot easier to hit and kill. That is the MAD doctrine). I also arbitrarily allocated 16 warheads to each of these 250 cities, as this would assure that the area is dead. For example, you could nuke the south end of Manhattan with one small nuke and still have a NYC that functions. But if you saturate the city with MIRVs (multiple independently-targeted reentry vehicles) spread over a wide area, you could hit the city with 16 small bombs and do more damage than one uber/mega bomb. This is the Cold War MAD doctrine in its entirety, very simple and elegant. You kill us, we kill you back, i.e. Mexican standoff, therefore we won’t do it. I rounded down the number of MSAs and assumed (yes, I know, but I have some experience in this field) that 16 RVs (an average) would be used to neutralize (don’t you just love that word) each MSA. That number would equal the projected number of VIABLE warheads the Russians have on line (now this is a guess, but a VERY educated guess by the PTB, above my pay grade) (P.S. they may have as many as 6000, BUT they probably don’t all work and this is just an optimistic, for them, scenario). Now they may have more, but warheads get OLD, just like we do and they have to be upgraded and maintained to be viable. It is very expensive to do this. This is where the Chinese numbers come in. IF, the Russians and the US are the big dogs, the Chinese are the dog that looks to get the pork chop as the BIG DOGS fight over it. If we fight, they win, they get the pork chop while we fight over it. THEY on the other hand must only achieve a “SPOILER” position by maintaining enough warheads to make us “think about it”, which is an awesome tactic, UNTIL it doesn’t work. Basically they look at it like this, (the Chinese) if you f**k with us we’ll f**k up your cozy, nice little world. And it’s true, 2-4 of their nukes will get through. Sure they won’t “erase us from the map” like the Iranians promise to do, but can you imagine that LA, Minneapolis/St Paul, San Diego and Seattle just disappeared or were made uninhabitable? What would be the financial consequences of that? Horrendous. Same for the Russians, we’ll toast 4 of your cities and then what, we may be gone but we bloodied your nose, more than you wanted. They count on us being more afraid of the nose bleed than our desire to cold cock them back. It’s a kind of “girly-man” bunch of BS, and you know what, I hope to see them get theirs, one day!!! Cocky bastards that they are!!! They count on us (Russians and Americans) being pussies, and they win, period. Now to your point about whether your city will be hit by the Chicoms……don’t know. They are cagey and you can’t ever pin them down. If you live in a city that is listed in the “United States Cities by Populations” charts then you can be hit. Would they rather hit NYC than St Louis, yes, by all means. Doesn’t mean that St Louis won’t be hit. If you are way down on that list, or better yet not on it, I wouldn’t worry about it……..from the Chinese. Russians, if you are on the list, build a shelter or move. Love and kisses (joke). Survive well. Enjoy.
I think there is a high likelihood that a nuclear attack would be preceded by an EMP
attack
why not do both to ensure maximum destruction ??
http://spengler.atimes.net/viewtopic.php?p=308863&sid=13db21c7d66075c391e8852dd5ac55f4
replacing damaged electrical transformers after an EMP will be a MAJOR undertaking
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/15/business/energy-environment/electric-industry-runs-transformer-replacement-test.html
it could easily take years to bring the entire grid back
check out page 12 to see a photo of a transformer damaged by a solar storm
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/mragheb/www/NPRE%20402%20ME%20405%20Nuclear%20Power%20Engineering/Solar%20Storms%20Effects%20on%20Nuclear%20and%20Electrical%20Installations.pdf
@Satori.
That assumes any country would be willing to sell them to us. They aren’t made in the US anymore.
Be well.
“How far are you willing to go?”
And How far do you WANT to?
From Nose bleeds to Nuclear War!
Your scaring us Ken. (Not Really.)
I, for one, am glad you are taking up this topic.
Good writing,
Thank you,
Keep it up.
HalfKin
@HalfKin, Yes, it’s a bit all over the map, so to speak. I enjoy touching on a wide variety of subjects to try and keep it interesting, all related one way or the other with survival preparedness. Some are light weight but hopefully useful, while others may stretch one’s limits of believability (it’s these that could but us in the @ss if we ignore them).
hmmm, lets try it this way… http://www.carloslabs.com/node/20
Nicely written post and buzz. “May you live in interesting times”, you all know the curse and it’s origin… SURVIVE-ALL!
Many I’ve talked to are not prepping, don’t care to prep and could care less about what might happen. Their logic, wouldn’t want to live through a cataclysm worth prepping for. If it comes down to having to fight to survive, they’d rather be dead. Some have a stronger sense of survival than others I guess.
@Chiller.
You could suggest that they stock up on home electronics. Grin.
Be well.
@chiller; You know sometimes I don’t agree with you and others I do, but yeah, let’em be dead. If they don’t want to survive then “buh bye”. We’ll take your gear and split it up. You know, f**k’em. Got no sympathy for them. Sorry, not to be rude, but when resources are tight you don’t have time to waste with people that you have to coax into living. Let’em die. Let them die. More for you and others that want to live. Simple reasoning for simple problems. I’ve heard relatives say “I don’t want to live if it’s that bad”. Okay, I give, you can die. Buh bye! See you later. And I will move on. End of story. As an aside, my last commander said “(my rank here) (my name here) is an asshole, but he gets shit done”. Yeah, I can live with that until my dying day. I’m proud of that statement, I will take it to my grave. Survive well. Enjoy.
just in case someone hasn’t seen this
http://www.ki4u.com/guide.pdf
downloadable guide on surviving a nuclear attack
I listen to Coast to Coast sometimes. But I really can’t take seriously any program that believes in supernatural hogwash. For me it nullifies everything else they have to say.
I agree that sometimes that radio program is ‘out there’, and sometimes far out beyond believability. But at the same time, I don’t discount every guest based on the fact that some of them are a stretch. Incidentally, it’s not a regular broadcast that I listen to (It’s on too late at night for me…), I happened to come across this particular interview on YouTube the other day.
I heard a more recent interview of Skousen by Alex Jones and Skoussen said that Russians/Chinese would be targeting military bases. So I think the cities near military bases would be most vulnerable. He also said the weapons wouldn ‘t be developed for as many as 8-10 years and it would be Nukes that they would use.
He says all the focus on Muslims and Iran is just a distraction and there is no way Muslims have the where-with-all to wage a war against us.