How They Will Take Your Guns
You may be under a false notion that should society collapse in to chaos (for whatever reason – major natural disaster or man-made collapse), that you will be able to protect yourself by the fact that you have a gun or guns. Think again. The likelihood of confiscation or attempted confiscation will be high.
As exemplified in the video below, ‘the authorities’ will wrongly focus on the HARDWARE rather than focusing on the REALITY of the situation. Instead of realizing that the majority of folks are upstanding citizens and simply posses firearms for protection, during a disaster or upheaval ‘they’ (the authorities) lose the ability to differentiate between the bad guys and the good guys. Their connection between their eyes and the brain no longer function properly and they can no longer perceive the difference between a gang-banger wielding a pistol and old grandma holding a revolver. They all look the same…
Remember this. EVERYONE becomes the enemy.
Don’t think for a minute that this situation was unique to those who suffered through Katrina (e.g. the examples in the video), and that the police in other parts of the country will somehow be different. While the behavior may be different here and there, the likelihood remains that they will come after your guns.
So what’s an honest gun owning citizen to do in such an event?
Unless ‘they’ come to your door with a list of your firearms (highly unlikely in a chaotic event), you can tell them half-truths and give up ‘one’ of your guns. Knowing that they will check the place over means you should have the ‘other’ guns stored uniquely. The 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution gives you the right – so it is your right to play the game of hiding what’s rightfully yours while perhaps giving up one of them so they’ll move along. You’ll be happy you didn’t give them all up should an opportune thug or gang confront you with your life later on… It’s better to be alive, yes?
I’m curious to hear your opinions after watching the video…
Do you believe this was mostly unique to the New Orleans area? Or could this happen elsewhere? How likely? Why is it that the police apparently lose the ability of reason under this stress (or is that unfair to say)? Are they (were they) simply following orders from up the chain of command to confiscate?
I know I’ve painted a broad brush regarding the police in this instance, and hopefully I haven’t upset too many of you cops or ex-cops out there who I know read this blog 
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i’ve seen this video before. i am very angry at how that old lady was treated. those are police tactics that i am absolutely disgusted by.
i wonder if the people whose guns were seized had some sort of proof of ownership? in a situation where looting was wide-spread, it may be important to be able to prove ownership. i’d be pretty pissed if i bug out and come home to find that my guns had been stolen and the police did nothing to stop it.
Except they are the ones probably stealing them.
I always love baseless accusations.
@Bill Nothing; Most people may not have the receipts for their firearms. However, the box is considered legal proof of ownership if you have it. Don’t throw away ANY box away, that a firearm comes in. I have every box that I have EVER bought a firearm in. Lotta boxes, but I have them. I also keep a log of my firearms and the receipts, IF I have them. Survive well. Enjoy.
This is not an isolated incident. That happened a lot. I’m sure none of those spineless cowards who assaulted that little old lady got so much as a reprimand for his terrorist attack on the constitution. That’s all the police are these days, antiamerican terrorists shitting on the constitution they swore to uphold. The lawyers make unconstitutional bs laws like the seatbelt law, possibly THE most unconstitutional law there is, acting like vultures literally illegally stealing hundreds of dollars from citizens simply for not wearing their seatbelts. That law is directly against the constitution. The police already try to steal your firearms no matter what excuse they come up with to have any type of contact with you. There is no such thing as a good police officer any more, whether it’s due to their punk attitude or because the laws are increasinly illegal per the constitution makes no difference the cops have all been turned into antiamerican terrorists.
While I agree with your evident Libertarian attitude towards it all, It’s not fair to lump all police as being like those in New Orleans. There are plenty of good cops out there. The thing is, we only hear about the bad incidents. I also recently heard that the Feds have swooped in on New Orleans PD and basically have taken over command and control down there due to massive corruption.
I heard about the cops in New Orleans women were gang raped by cops guns went in the trunks of there cars and lost forever and they could care less about the citizen they are supposed to protect…thank god the military came there the cops were running ramped
We all learned as kids that the police were your friend …always tell a cop….NO WAY …that badge and that gun enables those nasty cops to do what ever they want to do….and they all stand behind the cops that are the nasty ones….now a day I do not trust police….I have seen way to many videos of police brutality…what happened to Rodney King…..now it dosnt even matter…they will do exactly what they want to do…I saw one video of all the police brutality it was an hour long or so and the caption at the baginning was….the cops are afraid of when TSHTF….because I think its all going to come back and bite them in the ass….people are sick of them….serve and protect…..B.S.
In a situation like Katrina, the storm troopers will follow orders. The ones giving the orders are the communists, marxist liberation racist equal opportunity mayors, officers and DHS officials, feds, and sherrifs.
The Marines, spec ops, and swat are all taught to defend themselves and their buddies, and never once taught to give a thought to the citizen’s rights, the Constitution, or their legal role. Once the fight is on, it is on.
Look them in the eyes and explain that guns are dangerous. Close the door. Better yet, don’t answer the door in the first place.
The New Orleans police department, at the time, was more of a problem than the looters. They did worse things to innocent civilians. The Danziger bridge incident is probably the most widely known. Several policemen went to jail for that one.
I don’t believe that this is a New Orleans only thing. Could happen in any large city. Another advantage of living in a small city or town.
Most people lose efficiency when stressed. First responders should be trained to compensate.
“Just following orders” hasn’t worked as a defense since the Nazis tried it at Nuremberg.
Be well.
I actually live in st. Tammany parish this hits so close to home for me i feel sick right now. Yes they were just following orders from up high but they have to be able to reason and say no we wont do your dirty work. That is why they hire half retards that cant handle stressful situations. St tammany parish is about as crooked as it gets and they do anything to stroke the power ego… i gatta move fast!
It’s becoming more widely known these days that PD’s hire those who score lower on the tests. Having an IQ above 100 THEY CLAIM you would become bored with the routine mundane work of an LEO. However, the flipside to that is that lower IQ folks won’t question unlawful and orders that are against the Constitution.
You want my guns? Come and get them. **insert sound of shotgun being racked**
I’m glad I live in a state that has passed a law prohibiting the confiscation of guns during a declared emergency. So far, I’ve got one “throw-away” gun (a five-shot .38) and I plan to get at least one more, probably a shotgun. My other five guns (so far) are hidden at various places around the retreat.
Having said that, though, when I’m by myself at the homestead, I have a gun either on my person or within a few steps at all times. Anyone who enters my property forcefully and without my permission may find themselves ventilated with lead if they themselves are armed. I’ll die defending my property and family after TSHTF if I have to. I refuse to become a captive, slave or refugee.
@Nick.
Racking a shotgun against law enforcement probably “converts” you, and perhaps your family, into the non living.
If you intend to fight it out use something that will defeat both Kevlar and the trauma plate. Black tip 30-06 for example. Pricey these days. What’s your life worth?
Be well.
If it gets so bad that the police are going door to door, then I would think that whatever you do to protect yourself and your family is appropriate. I suggest having a throwaway gun (or two). Remember, cops are more like us than most would like to believe. It is important to stay informed and communicate with your neighbors and your community. The community is better able to defend itself against unlawful seizure from misinformed officers (and real bad guys) than we are individually. Good luck to us all either way. nyquil762
You’re right about the sound of a racking shotgun, Mortimer. I’ll make sure I already have a shell in the chamber.
Good idea Nick. Be sure the family is firearm safe. By that I mean that they know what to do, and what not to do, with them.
Be well.
Black tip ammo will not penetrate the “plate” on IBA. We had a guy in the desert, that got a hit from a .50 cal…and he lived…it did not penetrate. Now having said that, it’s not something you want to try!!! I think he was about 15 yards behind where he was standing after the fact. Extreme circumstance, probably only one hit from a fifty would be stopped. The plates are rated for 5 hits from a .30 cal rifle w/AP, NOT that you would want to try that. If you are trying to evade an entry team, use cover and practice HEAD shots and groin shots. Legs work well too, if you can’t walk, you can’t invade a citizen’s home. Read the Constitution, even if the gubment passed a law taking our weapons, we HAVE THE RIGHT TO RESIST AND FIGHT BACK TO “THROW OFF” SUCH OPPRESSION. The SA is the ONLY thing that protects ALL the other rights, period. Yeah, deception may work for an event or two, but at SOME point you have to take a stand. You can fight back or be on your knees, and we all KNOW WHAT HAPPENS ON YOUR KNEES, ask Monica!!! The truth.
@TripodXL.
“.30-06 M2 Armor Piercing (AP) VS Level III Armor Plate @ 55 yards” is a good video over at Youtube. Two of three shots went straight through the trauma plate. The one that didn’t may have been at an angle (helps deflection).
Tip: Shoot level if you suspect body armor. Of course you could also arrange to “miss” the trauma plate. Actually, you could arrange to “miss” the body armor entirely.
You could also use tracers or magnesium flares. Being on fire tends to cause discomfort.
Not all .30 caliber is created equal. The “easy to find” is 7.62×39 AP. Test with a magnet for a steel core. 30-06 AP and 7.62×51 AP are a completely different animal. I have 30-06 AP from the Lake City armory. Was easy to get in the 80′s. Feeds great through a Garand.
The guy that survived a hit from a .50 should have gotten a medal for being one lucky fellow. Blunt force probably broke most of the bones in his chest. There was that admiral at Pearl Harbor that got hit by a spent round. 15 yards in the air? Not a spent round.
Speaking of big rounds. I just ordered:
- 12 Gauge Winchester Supreme Elite PDX1 2 3/4″ 1 Ounce Rifled Slug with 3 00 Buck Pellets, 10 Round Box. Black casing. Pricey but very effective. There is a video at Youtube showing gelatin tests for buck and ball.
- 12 Gauge PMC One Shot Reduced Recoil 2 3/4″ #4 Buckshot 28 Pellets 1200 FPS 5 Rounds. Red casing. Not concerned about the reduced recoil part. Having different colors does matter to me. Also was at a very good price.
- 12 Gauge Remington Express #1 Buckshot 5 Round Box 16 Pellet 2 3/4″ 1250 fps. Green casing.
- BLACKHAWK! Shotgun Shell Sling Holds 15 Shells Black. Slings do matter.
- 1-1/4″ Lok-Down Detachable Swivels Steel Blued. Rather use swivels that duct tape.
- Blackhawk Shotgun Bandolier. Attaching the spare ammo to your body is a lot less work.
from CheaperThanDirt.
Hint: If you shop there try real hard to order everything from the same warehouse. It will save you a lot on shipping.
Be well.
Well, the first thing about bullet proof vests is that they AREN’T. They are RESISTANT. Second the IBA is not NIJ rated, although it has been compared to Level III rating, though there is no empirical proof either way as to that being true or not. The plates special units use are typically different than the run do the mill SAPIs. We used level IV plates (much heavier) as the containment vest is the same and the inserts are what make the difference. The guy with the .50 hit (which I did not see personally, but the guys that related the info were the same guys that take down “high value” targets and I have no doubts as to the veracity of their story) was wearing a level IV and was hit by a sniper with a .50 cal rifle from quite a distance and the round was a standard projectile, not AP (both the rifle and the projectile were of U.S. mfg.) and it did hit at an angle but was a devastating blunt force trauma issue that caused a few days stay in the FOB hospital. Since these were “special” guys the sniper never fired another shot due to premature death brought on by many “special” guys finding him and relieving him of the rifle and ammo. For those that didn’t get the IV plates you could buy them yourself (and pay less than the gubment) and use them instead of the IIIs, which a lot of guys did. Since I was in a special unit we had the IVs but I would have bought them if we hadn’t had them. The standard IBA and plates would stop ball .30 cal (general caliber) ammo of 3-5 rounds. Obviously if 2-3 shots hit dead on top of each other, well damn, sometimes life just sucks. Yeah, level III will not stop .30 cal AP at close range, though it might at 300+ yds, maybe. The level IV was only rated for one shot I think. Anyway, I think that unless you’re being called on by a SWAT team they wouldn’t be wearing anything that would stop standard ball ammo and yeah shoot for “not the vest”. A certain amount of AP would certainly be useful, though. FYI on the 15 round sling, makes it hard to use the shotgun when moving, when you have over half a box of shotgun shells swinging around under the shotgun while trying to aim. The bandoliers are definitely the way to go for shot shells. Survive well.
Save your money, buy a couple toy guns and paint the orange tip black. “Looked real to me officer”.
Martial Law is not legal (even though it has been used several times by different presidents), the second amendment in the bill of rights is. If my weapon is attempted to be taken with force I will repond with all the force avaliable to me in order to keep my weapon if I have one.
Dont answer the door. If they try to break it down …shoot through it. all out war . Never go to the light alone..
Bastards! I will not go into the night quietly. When I see stuff like this, man it makes my blood boil. To quote B.A. Backus…..”I pity the fool” that tries to take my guns.
@All; Anyone that reads this blog regularly will automatically know how I feel. First, the city of NO was under the control (sort of) of a Democrat mayor and the state was under the control of a Democrat governor. Just miles away in south Mississippi, there were NO SUCH problems, even though there were MORE people dispossessed of their property and lives by Katrina than NO, though the media would have you believe otherwise. Mississippi was under the control of a Republican governor and the people and PDs in the affected areas knew what to do and how respond to “the people” to help them in their time of need. Now lest you think this is a political diatribe, it is not, it is a diatribe against those that think that the gubment is the answer. After all it is that position “that the gubment ‘knows best’” that is the problem. There was a lot of “help” in the area from PDs from the northeast (a bastion of firearms freedoms), like from NJ and NY and PA. They were a large part of the causes of the problems along with the idiocy of Ray Nagin (mayor, D) and the guidance issued by the idiot governor Kathleen Blanco (D) who ONLY served one term due to her complicity in the Katrina BS. It’s really odd that a few tens of miles made such a difference in how civil rights were handled by the authorities, this s&*& did not happen in south MS. If I am in extremis due to circumstances, and someone thinks they are going to take the only means of defense I have..I may go to the light, but it won’t be alone. That crew of idiots won’t be stopping anyone else ever again, I can promise that. Unless they are very luck and there is more than five of them, somebody’s gonna draw back a nub, and they ain’t gonna like it. If you live in a rural area, this better be something you’ve worked out in advance….!!!! Cooperation will only get you DETAINED and maybe ARRESTED. Snuff’em. That’s what the backhoe on the tractor is for. Pry them from my cold dead hands does not EVEN begin to explain how I feel about this. Best Regards. Survive well. enjoy.
Demoncrats & Republicans are just 2 sides of they same card being played by the same controllers.
Its done to make us THINK we have some inkling of control by choosing one of their teams.
Besides, the Constitution was written only for those party to it–Did you sign it? Then you ain’t a party to it.
Of course, crashing a party can be fun…
I’ve given the matter thought and I’ve gotten a kinetic bullet puller and bought a load of steel cored 8mm Mauser. I’m working up loads for 8mm Rem.Mag that will penetrate threat level IV armor. I’m also considering pulling .30-06 steel core for use in .300 Win. mag.
@anon.
Should work. I moved my LC 30-06 AP bullets, made in the 50s, into new brass, etc several years ago. Would like to know what your results are. Wonder how AP through a .338 would work.
You’re obviously a reloader. Do you use lacquer or similar to protect your long term loads?
A random thought. Hopefully you are all prepared for things like tear gas and flash bangs.
Be well.
New Orleans had one of the most corrupt police departments within the nation prior to , and during, Katrina. The mis-management of the incident blew back on the politicians from the mayor to the governor of the state and our president at the time. This was made public in the months after Katrina blew through.
To the residents who live there now, I would consider moving as I did when things got weird (even-more-weird than standard) in Kalifornia. When challenged by Law Enforcement within the Golden State (on my way to and from shooting competitions or hunting trips), I asked for a receipt as well as legible spelling of the officers name and badge number. In addition, I have fire arm descriptions along with serial numbers recorded in several safe locations. My weapons were unloaded and locked in hard cases. I was STILL challenged by a new,young officer who did not know the laws real well at the time.
As a retired peace officer who worked within Kalifornia, the one thing police departments fear more than a loud person going to the press is a quiet, articulate person obtaining the services of a lawyer AND THEN going to the press. These two things (Lawyers and press coverage) are two very good reasons to join the NRA today if you have not done so already.
If things get weird where you are living, vote with your feet and move to a new location. Good luck to all and survive well.
@QNWAKTT; Well stated. Even if you don’t like the NRA, it IS THE organization that keeps your gun rights safe. I don’t always agree with their public presentations, but what else will you do? No other (and this should not stop you from joining an organization, as I belong to many) organization does as much for your foundational rights. I am not sponsored nor supported by the NRA (full disclosure). Survive well. Enjoy.
We seem to have a pretty good collection of cops here, I honestly don’t think we’d have that issue in northern Idaho. Now I would say just the opposite of most places I’ve lived, so I suppose it has more to do with your location than whatever is happening around you, it helps to be in a place where the cops are part of the community rather than a bung of gangbangers hiding behind a badge.
In all honesty, door to door gun confiscation will most likely start armed revolts if not secessionist revolution.
And for some reason, that doesnt seem like a blatantly bad thing considering the fascist federal government we live under.
@A(you need a shorter name); Yeah, the state I live in would secede before that could be done. I don’t think the rural cops would even ENTERTAIN the idea of confiscation, not if they know what’s good for them, and I think they do, as they are of like mind. The cities would have most of the people (as anywhere), but they couldn’t come out to the countryside and do the same thing, NOT THAT THE GOVERNOR here WOULD LET THEM to begin with. I think certain “cores of states” would naturally amalgamate, although I think that would be sad. This is supposed to be the “United States of America”, not the “separate states of America”. The logical divisions would be the “left coast” (Kali, OR, WA) the northern plains (NE, SD, ND, MT, ID, WY, KS, possibly IA), Tejas (TX, NM, OK CO, maybe UT), for lack of a better phrase the SEC (AR, LA, MS, TN, AL, GA FL, SC, NC, VA, but some parts would be a push with D.C.there), then there would be “Metropolita” (D.C. up to Boston over to Chicago being most of the “rust belt”). KY would be a toss up as would be ME, NH and VT. AK would be independent and AZ would be lost to the golden hordes, however you would take that phrase. MN, don’t have a clue, though they could be very conflicted. Minneapolis/St Paul would be for Metropolita, but not the rest of the state, they would be for NP, IMHO. So there would be LC, Tejas, NP, SEC, and Cosmopolita and whatever was left after that. Obviously parts of Cosmopolita would be in revolt and seek to align themselves with the closest “free state” they could be part of. I would surely hate to see that happen, and would not rejoice over it, but it is a real possibility. The gubment would be faced with the probability of completely destroying the country through civil war OR allowing it to break up into more peaceful sections. I hope that whomever is in charge is cognizant of the differences and the consequences of each decision. Wow, didn’t mean to write a book there. Survive well. Enjoy.
Tripod XL: very well written posts. On the topic of states, Maine is in most ways that count, two separate states. there is the liberal big governement loving southern part(northern boston), then everyone else.
the rural parts of the state don’t have the voting population to hold any sway in elections or other things requiring votes but when the shit hits the fan, most of us will be able to take care of ourselves. Thanks again for your service.
Hope you are not on any list somewhere in DC. as most of us are.
As a recently Retired Police Officer from a big city in Florida, and having expereinced Katrina as a volunteer in Pensacola, Florida (1 week only), I am a little amazed at the animosity. First off, the videos are only telling a part of the story. The other half is missing. Do you really believe in the media to tell the whole story? Secondly, The Louisianna sheriff’s and police departments are the most underpaid and corrupt departments in the country. This is one state out of 49. So don’t base your beliefs on what happened there, look at the whole picture. Did this happen last year in Alabama after the tornados ripped through the area? Third, I can speak from my experience as an officer that went to Pensacola to assist other Floridians during the Katrina disaster. We also went door to door knocking. We asked questions like: Is everyone Ok? Do you need any water? Emergency First Aid? etc. The people of Pensacola were extremely appreciative and hospitable towards us. The area looked like a “war zone,” but the people were like “neighbors.” Yes, several people asked us questions about their right to have rifles and pistols. We just answered them the best we could. Florida law is still in effect, and keep them loaded and ready to use if you have to. I’m glad I wasn’t shot and burried with a back hoe just for asking if someone needed help. Glad I wasn’t in Mississippi or where most of you police haters live. And I hope you don’t lose a loved one to someone who shoots them for approaching thier front door. He or she may just be asking for help or assistance. He or she may not be a looter or thug. Ya’ll seem to have lots of training on the 2nd ammendment right to bear arms. I hope you spend a little time learning how to discern the difference between the bad guys and the good guys. It takes about five (5) years as a rookie police officer to really get him trained in this. How much time do you spend?
You make sense Cap. I believe most here view this video as if it were to come to their neighborhoods. The “Florida law is still in effect” statement was concerning. How are people to know what law is or is not in effect during an emergency situation? I for one certainly would not wait to find out by a bunch of M16 pointed at me. And if local law enforcement was willing to back the kind of out-of-control guberment we have today, then you would be part of the problem, not the solution. Just remember, local law goes home at night in the same neighborhoods they are working, not to a heavily guarded base. You come into my home and intimidate, steal and threaten, just remember…what goes around comes around.
@chiller.
Really don’t understand your post.
Anyone who does anything like what the police did, to that old woman, to my mother will be killed. No questions asked. If you don’t like it kiss my ass.
The stand your ground law in Florida makes sense to me. Although Zimmerman is getting a high tech lynching from the media.
Be well.
You have my vote. What happened to that lady was a disgrace. That is the type of actions that make (anyone) with a backbone want to strike back with deadly force. That cop that put that lady to the floor should have his ass beat.
Lets keep the Florida Stand your ground law as it is.
@CapT Bill; Animosity towards the police in general was not the issue. My brother is a Capt in a large population county sheriff’s dept. in your fine state. You make my point for me. What you described your dept. doing, was not what was seen with video and NUMEROUS firsthand witness statements in the NO area. You make my point two ways. First NO is a special area and I’ll leave it at that, versus the other places you mention. Second, you guys didn’t come in all “jackbooted gestapo thugs”, like they did in NO and demand things inconsistent with a free society. You sound like you were there to help and people and they took it that way, I approve. My brother was there in Pensacola after hurricane Andrew (I think) with the SF Guard unit from Camp Blandin in the aftermath, for the same purpose. Mississippi, if you read the comments without letting your ire get the better of you, was where there were no problems with the police. There are no more police haters there than anywhere else, it is also where my brother and I were raised BTW. Animosity was generated for those that would abrogate our rights (the foundational right; you should read WHAT caused the first battle at Breed’s Hill) without reason, regardless of what they wear (uniform) or not. Not sure I would be happy with the fact that it takes 5 years for a cop (so you say) to know the diff between bad guys and good guys. Kind of a long learning curve there. BTW, I called my brother and mentioned the 5 years and he started laughing, “they’d be fired before then” in his dept. My thoughts exactly. As far as being a police hater, I am not. I simply do not AUTOMATICALLY accept LEOs as being “there for MY GOOD” ALL the time. It requires some serious discernment. The SA is a right and does not require any training to have the use of it. You are correct though about being trained in the martial arts of firearms usage, as it just makes sense for survival. As far as my training, it has covered a 38 year career in the military with several combat tours that ranged from 72 to 06, four OTHER continents, and successful retirement 2 years ago (2010). I’ve never encountered anyone that needed 5 years to understand the diff between good guys and bad guys. Now if you refer (however ineloquently) to experience on the job obviously, but if the good/bad discernment isn’t a slightly innate skill, that person may not be LEO material to begin with. I am a certified firearms instructor by both the state I live in and the NRA (24 years now). I also volunteer many hours a year to the BSA for rifle and shotgun training. So, I spend HOURS a week making sure my firearms skills are spot on…CapT, how many hours have you spent a week training since you retired???? Just sayin’ as the skill set is a perishable commodity. The only people that would suffer the ire of my “backhoe” would be those that deserved it under the appropriate SHTF circumstances, that’s just a fact. My statements, while somewhat emotional, were very qualified. If you are going to post-back to someone, have the courtesy to respond by name and the intellectual where-with-all to have READ and COMPREHENDED what was said and try to see the insight therein before posting-back. In any event, thank you for your service to your community, and hopefully in complete safety. Survive well. Enjoy.
@Bill.
Thanks for helping with the devastation of Pensacola after Katrina.
So, which part of the video missed the other part of the situation? Would you mind sharing the other half of the story?
The fact that some police are underpaid is irrelevant. If you feel that you are underpaid you should get a different job. There are a lot of police departments in this country. Anybody getting wet from the crocodile tears?
Defending the practices of the police in New Orleans after Katrina is madness. As you seem to be doing so, I am *very* glad that you are retired. Put the bullet back in your pocket Barney.
Be well.
@ Morghan, Wouldn’t mind being in the “Hunting Trench” right about now myself. Had the same experience early 80′s with a real depression going on, the folks stood together… o…
This was a localized event that had the “luxury” of a viable logistic supply source and a functioning government providing “support”.
In the event of a total systemic event, there will be no concentrated outside assistance and the only law enforcement is what you have right now. The only reason that the current law enforcement has the ability to control the public that they are tasked to serve is that the public is cooperative and compliant.
Once the thin veneer of polite society is removed, the current law enforcement concept is not viable. In a WROL situation, there is no source for reinforcements. The military will be worrying about it’s own problems.
That is very well said.
@Pangea; Yeah, people don’t seem to grasp that concept. Think “Katrina” in NYC, Los Angeles, Vegas, Denver, Chitown, Dallas, San Diego, EVERY metro area in the US having the “Katrina” meltdwon…..who helps then??? Go look in the mirror. I guarantee that the military would have to be taking care of themselves and if used, they would be ONLY in the largest cities. Everyone else is on their own. Survive well. Enjoy.
I can only assume that the devil has prepared a special place in hell for the cops that slammed that woman down and for the arrogant scumbags that gave the orders to go door to door to confiscate legally owned firearms from law abiding citizens.
You wanna make sure I don’t shoot you, office?
Get the hell off my property and leave me alone. If I need your help I will call you. Of course you will be too busy to respond cause you will be out beating up old women and taking their legally owned guns away.
Burn in hell for that!
This video made me sick to my stomach. I’m glad I saw it in case any crap like that happens in my neck of the woods>
where i live here near the Appalachian mountains, in a medium sized city, no police officer is foolish enough to even try such a thing.
The reason why the LEO could take guns from law abiding citizens is the cause the LEO had more people each time they broke the law. The didn’t go after gangs or thugs because they would be out numbered and out gunned. That’s why when something like this happens law abiding citizens should group together. They would be less likely to be messed with by LEO, gangs and thugs. LEO, gang or thugs that want to break the law will not try anything on a well armed group of law abiding citizens that out number and out gun them. LEO’s that are up holding the law won’t bother these groups in the first place and in certain situations might even need their help.
Dont even think for one moment that the local police dept will be the ones confiscating guns. They are training our military to take charge and do the policeing for them. The fed has allready realized that it wont be able to count on locals to do the dirty work that they wont done. You better have more than guns and ammo.
@johnnyreb; Don’t think for a moment that ANYONE in the military is a ROBOT that will simply do what they’re told. I’ve spent 38 years in the military and I will stand by that. Most GIs that don’t come from a certain FEW states, WILL NOT participate in the confiscation of people’s firearms. The troops are more educated than you might think, and they will not SUBVERT their fellow citizens. I guarantee it. Survive well. Enjoy.
@TripodXL.
I agree that most of the military will not follow an obviously unlawful order. But what happens if they are led to believe, by the politicos (who generally have improper morals and/or ethics, assuming they have any of either at all), that sedition is involved?
The commander of Ft Hood permitted Abrams tanks to be employed against the Waco Whackos. Not even the FBI can go to auto row and buy a tank. To save the kids from sexual abuse says Janet Reno. Those kids, right or wrong, probably didn’t feel that they were being abused. Well, a lot of those kids died in the fire. More kids died when McVeigh retaliated. Both actions were reprehensible. Unless the Waco girls were really tall, like tall enough to cross a state boundary, why were the feds involved at all? Should have been a local matter.
Be well.
Civilians outnumber military 100 to 1, and even if you count only gun owners, the military is still outnumbered 20 to 1. And IMO there will be a lot of military members who will turn on the feds if ordered to round up civilian firearms.
Hey guys, (I know someone will disagree with me but this is my point of view)
It has always been my experience that their are both good and bad in all walks of life. It does not matter if it is occupation(police officer, politician, or even a used car salesman), race (white, hispanic, black, asian, etc), Gender (male, female, “shim”). If you show up on my property with guns drawn threatening me or my family (my critters count as family) that tells me you are “bad” and you deserve to have 60 rounds of 223 emptied into you and if that doesn’t do the trick then my 1911 45acp will take care of it!!! If you show up with kindness that may be a different story. I know many police officers that would just as soon you protect yourself on your property and in my state we have the castle doctrine which gives us the legal right to do just that. It is in our state constitution.
I have a dear friend that was a Katrina refugee. It was the residents also that instigated some of it(I am NOT saying the police down there were not corrupt and evil in general BUT I am also saying there were even good in that bunch). The thugs raped and looted and caused a huge problem with the LEO’s.
We can not just answer the door shooting or we will most definately have a problem with lead poisoning. We have to use our brains to discern real or imagined danger and threat. That is hard to do when you are placed in a fight or flight situation. The adrenaline in our bodies start taking over.
Survive well, use your head logically and try not to get shot! You can not protect anything if you are dead.
@christine.
60 rounds of .223? Are the Mongol hordes at your door? Sounds like a trip to the range is in order. Hate it when somebody suggests a trip to the range. Grin.
Be well.
Shocking….yet no so shocking I guess. I guess this is what it is coming to. I just don’t see this happening in Texas though. Not yet. Texans will put up a BIG fight.
Yes we will!
@Texas; There will be those that try. Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, they will try, they will try. The fight against it will come from the conservative politicians and we must support them so they will prevail and have the courage to fight on against the Feds. It is hard to run towards the dark if no one is running with you, therefore it is imperative that we run with them and fight back. As we push our LOCAL LEOs so goes the fight. If the local LEOs understand where the fight is, they will HELP US, otherwise not. The fundamental Texan will fight to the death over it, as will I, but it must be directed against the real targets. Be well and survive well. Enjoy.
@TripodXL.
I assume, and yes I know about ass-u-me, that you were talking to me. Think De Niro in Taxi Driver.
I don’t think I’ve ever said “bullet proof”. In the Nam we(US) lost a bunch of helicopters to small arms.
I wonder why the enemy, in Iraq, wasn’t using AP in the.50. Geneva convention(wrong in my opinion) and all that. We hung a bunch of Germans after Nuremberg and then did the same thing to German troops that we executed German leadership for doing. Definitely a “victors justice” situation. Don’t get me wrong, killing Nazis was a good idea. Calling it justice was dubious at best.
I got both the sling and the bandolier for that reason.
Be well.
Wow, that was quite the snot-string of messages there. Saw the post but couldn’t find the op message you were responding to…..until I scrolled up 35 posts to finally find it. No, I was not saying you said that, it was for the benefit of the general readers for understanding and insight into a subject they may not know about. And, so we now know about assume! As far as the Geneva convention, only the western world to any degree has signed it. As far as AP, it is not a good sniping bullet. The gentleman in question had a civilian, U.S. mfg .50 cal rifle, using premium metal cased boat tailed bullets (projectiles) in custom ammo, which you can also buy. You can order them on line or purchase them anywhere they are sold. How the rifle was obtained is yet another issue since there has to be an export license for it. We do use HPs in certain circumstances at the local commander’s discretion if needed (M262 Mod 0 or 1). Yeah, De Niro…never liked him much. Haven’t watched him since trying to watch “The Deer Hunter” years ago, waayy too long. Never seen Taxi, so I don’t know what that means.
I don’t believe the government will be going door to door looking for guns. They will be smarter than that. Use the present bill in the united nations to outlaw various weapons and ammo. Then start making examples out of those they catch with a weapon. Take their home, farm, bank account, and put them in the street. Punish one scare 100. They will send out letters to those they know have guns saying they better do as the government wants or they will confiscate their home. A drug dealer will lose his car if they find drugs in it. The gestapo was greatly feared and yet only numbered a couple thousand agents. They just waited for neighbors to tell on one another. Maybe do like the irs does and give a bounty for somone turning in a person of intrest.
Why do you think they put the irs in charge of collecting obamacare money?
Everyone fears an irs audit.
Give the government their due, they can make you suffer if they want to.
Um, yeah, those sort of restrictions are working swimmingly well in Chicago and D.C., aren’t they?
@Nick; Well, I just believe you are right. Survive well. Enjoy.
@ Mortimer
No’p that is just how many I can unload before I have to get another clip… LOL My range is in the back yard… I live in a rural area on “Acreage” Go to the “range” every few days or so that way I know my rounds will hit their mark and that they do!!! ;o)
@Christine.
You have the high capacity drums? How reliable are they feeding the rifle? Have you tried to load the magazine from stripper clips? Would you get them again? Experiences from users is almost always the best.
Sweet lifestyle. I miss being out in the boonies. So quiet. Less pollution. Stars at night.
I still chuckle when I think about shopping for homeowners insurance. How far to the nearest fire hydrant Mr xxx? About 10 miles. Most agents had a medical emergency or some such to attend to after that answer.
I did have a good well. 15 – 20 Gallons/Minute. I still have good fire extinguishers. Amerex makes them. The same ones that Costco has for use rather than the garbage they sell.
Be well.
Tripod XL: very well written posts. On the topic of states from a few posts back, Maine is in most ways that count, two separate states. there is the liberal big governement loving southern part(northern boston), then everyone else.
the rural parts of the state don’t have the voting population to hold any sway in elections or other things requiring votes but when the shit hits the fan, most of us will be able to take care of ourselves. Thanks again for your service.
Hope you are not on any list somewhere in DC. as most of us are.
I don’t mean to be alarmist but I think the way we will be disarmed within the Con US is much more insidious than Jackboots kicking in our front doors.
My theory is based on observations from within the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia as a gun owner, shooter and reloader. I studied Economics in college so I am aware of the price of things as well as being curious about cause and effect of phenomena like primer shortages, ammo shortages and the escalating price of cigarettes.
My theory is that they will try to disarm us by taxing us out of the market. Several years ago some Cali-based legislator got the bright idea of trying to fund California emergency rooms with a 5 cent tax on every single loaded round or primer sold. This tax was also going to tax other reloading components such that it would make the practice of reloading your rifle, shotgun and pistol shells cost-prohibitive. This measure was voted down within the house and it died quietly on the floor. Nobody outside California realizes how close it came to being passed.
Now pull out a calculator and figure out that same tax for a brick of 22 long rifle ammunition. (500 rounds)
Do the same exercise with a case of primers. (1000 primers per single case)
Once you start taxing one component, the tax can be passed on to other components like: Shotshell wads, Bullets sold as components, new brass or the firearms themselves.
This bill would have two possible consequences if passed: Option one is that shooting firearms would become a sport of the rich whether you hunt for meat or simply target shoot. Option two is that nobody would be able to afford to shoot.
I was working with a gunsmith at that time and we both realized that he would have to move or find another trade if this law passed. I used to think: “This law will never pass. I have faith in the people of California and the NRA. After all, I contribute money to the NRA” Well, this was before California passed the lead-free bullet zone in the central portion of the state, the California ban on assault weapons that is much more restrictive than the federal requirement.
Keep an eye on your state legislators and the crap they try to pull on their constituents. I mentioned cigarettes at the start of this tirade because cigarettes were taxed long ago when I was a child and the ice caps were retreating to the poles. Whenever the state of Cali found itself in deep financial sewage, the legislators started by raising the taxes on smokes. I first identified this trend within my parents house when I was in the third grade and had to listen to my dad gripe about the rising price of smokes. Here, many years later, the legislators are trying to do the same thing to gun owners. Be safe to all out there and consider joining the NRA today.
If you let them in your house. That is your first mistake.
Unless you have hidden EVERYTHING survival/prepper related. You are giving them info on you and what you have. Also, if you let them in. They can trash your place, put holes in walls, etc. Looking for guns and what not
If they want in, tell them to get a warrant. If they attempt to use force to get in. We are no longer living under the Constitution. They are now tyrants.
And if you think handing over one gun is going to placate them. You get what you deserve.
We are just kidding ourselves. We can have all the weapons in the world, but the goverment has drones and they will use them.
IF they use drones, it’s most likely only after they run into some kind of resistance and lose people. I have seen some vids on youtube when the hammer gets dropped down on some armed guys walking around. Presumably we have spotters that called in the air strike. But for our UAV remote pilots to drop some ordinance on some people in a state. And he will know where his plane is flying. They have to realize that some other UAV pilot at a different base in HIS home state might be doing the same to HIS family and friends.
And IF they are using drones to blow up houses with people resisting confiscation. We are in a full blown overthrow.
What are you going to do then Mike? Sit back and get looted?
Who knows what we will do. I guess we will fight to the death.
Drone strikes within US borders would only happen IF those in power would prearrange an ‘event’ which would trigger a government called confiscation of civilian arms. At present there are few operational drones in the US borders, most are for training purposes and only one Hellfire missile per trainee to use as live fire exercise is available. Enough drones to ‘do the job’ would have to be recalled from foreign fields or set aside within borders for their use here as they exit the factories. Is it possible that there are drones in the borders, sure. However with the utilization in the Mideast at this point there isn’t quiet enough to utilize there and here at the same time. So a lot would depend on just when and event to justify a confiscation would arise as well as having enough drones to do their job. Sure one drone could cover a lot of area, but the US is a big place and outside the cities operational area would require a lot of them to be effective or to carry out simultaneous strikes; which would the be most effective utilization for a first strike capability. After the first strike the drones would become targets and can be brought down by various methods. And replenishing downed quickly would become problematic over time. And I’m not even considering the saboteurs withing the ranks who would resist striking American civilians on American soil. Drones sound easy, but in fact aren’t as easy as one would think.
@All; I have more faith in the People of the American Republic to create such a sh*tstorm of backlash, including but not limited to political and both passive and active resistance, to the point that ANY attempt by large military installations to go “out into the countryside” and “suppress the populace” would fail miserably, although perhaps you could pull it off to a degree int the cities. First, the people in the military, the troops, have more of a sense of what is right and wrong for the military to do, than what the general public gives them credit for. There will be mass defections and/or plain refusal to carry out “unlawful orders” as most soldiers are well versed on that subject. The other, depending on what state you’re in, will be the backlash by the people themselves to fight back. “Wolverines”. Yes that was childish, but it demonstrates my point. Any convoys into the countryside would draw back a nub. The key is to not be in a large force, and maintain a low profile and then strike swiftly, with force and violence of action and rapid retreat; over and over. Asymetrical warfare, on steroids. If you count the Guard and Reserves, there MIGHT be 2.5 million troops, but most of them are not ass-in=the-grass type troops, they are support personnel. There are prolly less than 600K REAL combat troops and they are usually the ones with the higher sense of honor, duty and righteousness, than the others. They are the ones most likely to refuse to do the illegal tasks of their masters. How many veterans are there in the populace. I’m 61, a long term veteran and have lived a good life and don’t have that much to lose in fighting back, other than to secure the future for my kids and grandkids. Most of the military that would desert and/or rebel would be the better trained smarter troops as well as most of the Reserves and Guard. IMHO. Survive well. Enjoy.
I have been a Constitutional activist since the mid-70s; yea I know I’m THAT old. I have seen the insidious incremental weakening of our rights first hand; this isn’t anything new. What is new is that finally the average person is slowly beginning to recognize the dangers of overreaching government. Moreover at this writing more firearms have been purchased in the past 3.5 to 4 years than at any other time; which is good. The more people armed the more people that will have to be selected to have their arms confiscated, which makes the government’s job harder to accomplish without any resistance (passive or otherwise). However, the best defense against the possibility of firearm confiscation is a citizenry that keeps close watch on their respective elected officials at all govt. levels. If one of the elected people begin to make noise about ANY restrictions on ANY aspect of firearms; make sure that person is well notified that they will be in the unemployment line come next election. And until the next election, they will be harangued until they change their mind on restrictions of our rights. The best thing to do is to keep such slimy types out of office in the first place. One way to do this is to cease supporting ‘the party’ and put people in office who understand what The Constitution and Bill of Rights are suppose to be. We (all of us) have ‘lesser-of-two-eviled’ ourselves into this mess and it will take replacing party loyalty with Constitutional loyalty. Hurricane Katrina gave a blueprint for what will come should we find ourselves in such dire circumstances. Everyone needs to learn from that and find ways to counter the obfuscation of Constitutional Rights by anyone. After Katrina lawsuits were filed to return firearms or redress grievances of rights abuse. Once local and state governments started to loose those cases, many states decided that it would be too expensive to exercise such drastic intrusions on the citizen’s liberties; other states still believe they are above the precepts of The Constitution. This upcoming election will either spell the end of any remnant of our Republic (BTW: we aren’t a Democracy) or we can begin to turn away from the precipice we are racing toward. It is up to each person who votes to make the decision to support Constitutional supporters and not those who are anti-Constituion and believe it is a ‘living’ document or outdated. In case you think that Aemricans would never take up arms against any tyrannical or corrupt government because Americans are ‘better than that’ or that it would be ‘foolhardy’; then check this story which occurred in 1946 in a little town in Tennessee called Athens (http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/athens.htm). Where will you stand; in defense of our rights or supporting those who wish to destroy the last vestiges of our rights?
Sorry to say, no real experiance with illigal search and seasure. I had a conversation with a cop, and a vet, who said that if told by his superior officer to go door to door would confiscate weapons. Kind of scary.
Unfortunately our military, police and other government officials have been taught to either follow orders or risk trouble (court marshal, jail, etc). This is what makes them mindless Zombies. NOT ALL…. But many. I believe that if ordered by a high ranking official many would do as ordered even if it did go against what they believed as right. I believe they brainwash them into obedience. They make them believe that the highest ranking officers know what is best for them and the citizens. That is my opinion and what I believe is happening. I am sure there are many other opinions out there.
@christine;
I believe that our military personnel are taught to DISOBEY unlawful orders.
They can be jailed for carrying out an order that they know to be unlawful.
I don’t think they are ‘brainwashed’ to just do everything they’re told.
I have a lot of faith in our military. (it won’t be our guys trying to take our guns, it will be U.N. troops from other countries, they won’t care what rights we do or don’t have)
There are organizations that a lot of current and past military men and women belong to that strongly encourage everyone who has taken the oath to join our services to uphold their oath to defend the constitution. These organizations are growing fast.
It won’t be our guys trying to take our guns, it will be U.N. troops from other countries, they won’t care what rights we do or don’t have.
Tammy you hit the nail right on the head.
@LTW; Yeah, then no one should have any problems when the blue hats get turned into inanimate compost!
@christine; I would take umbrage over your assessment of official personnel, and of the military in particular. As Tammy stated, we are taught to DISOBEY unlawful orders and are schooled incessantly over what is and is not a true lawful order. None of us in the military are “brainwashed” into anything, it is an all volunteer force. The PTB would be hard pressed (not to mention “Posse Comitatus” which most military personnel are VERY familiar with)to engage the general populace of the military to go out and assault the very freedoms we took an oath to defend, you know that old “all enemies, both foreign and domestic” thing. A “courts martial” proceeding has never swayed any good men or women of the uniform, especially if it was a choice between right and wrong. You obviously have never been exposed to the military if you think that the NCO ranks (the foundation of the entire military) EVER thought that the “highest ranking officers know what is best for them and the citizens”. I spent a 38 year span on active duty (11 years) and then in the Reserves, on 5 continents, in “police actions”, operations of national interest and a war a few times. I think I can attest to the virtue of MOST of our troops in uniform. You need to worry more about the “brown shirts” of the DHS, BATFE, Postal Inspectors, EPA and other half-assed, half trained, half smart, semi-stupid (they aren’t smart enough to actually be exceptionally stupid)and completely armed, ass clowns of the Federal gubment. I stand completely by what I said a few posts up, as well as this post. You are barking up the wrong tree on your “brainwashed troops are Zombies” commentary. THANK A VETERAN FOR YOUR FREEDOM.
TripodXL:
I have a great deal of respect for you (most on these boards as well) and I appreciate your posts and your opinions. I especially appreciated your primer on reloading (great article!) However, I have to agree with Christine on this point. As a former US Army Military Police Officer, I can only remember a couple of hours worth of training specifically on unlawful orders (mostly Geneva Convention, prisoner of war material). Most of our troops are trained and conditioned to follow orders without question. I specifically know and have been told numerous accounts (from the “sand box”) from both enlisted and officers that (based on their accounts) I would find extremely questionable. Most of these accounts fall into the “we had to do this or that given our orders and circumstances” zone.
My heart tells me that our troops will initially follow illegal orders without question (firing on America citizens perhaps). After a period of time however, most of our troops will figure our that the orders are unconstitutional and illegal.
We have to remember that if our government goes “down that road”, they are going to provide volumes of false information that will more than justify orders that we know are illegal. The government will use propaganda and misinformation to setup an environment the would appear to reasonably support any order they want to support. Consequently, our troops will not be dealing with accurate information. Again, in the end I think our troops will figure it out. I’m concerned with how long they will take to figure it out. Either way, good luck to us all. nyquil762
@nyquil762; I have to continue to disagree. My oldest was a Ranger, my wife is AD Army now. My youngest was an Airman for 6 years and is now in the reserves. I was AD for 11 years and retired a year ago from the Reserves. 38 years and 33/34 for pay and E-8. Been shot at and shot back. Been in police actions, actions for national security, and WAR a couple of times. I know the military at large. They will make you proud. Oh, yeah there may be some confusion in the beginning, but after the reality sets in it will be as I say. Not because I say it, but because those are the kind of troops we are producing. Been there done that. I’ve had to babysit troops that really couldn’t pour piss out of a boot, BUT they knew right from wrong and wouldn’t support it. Period. The troops don’t believe bullshit, and they know it when they hear it. I stand by them and the military in general. No ifs, ands or buts! You surmise that they are stupid….they are not!!!!!!. Survive well. Enjoy.
TripodXL, That’s an impressive resume and thanks for you and your family’s continued support in the defense of our country. I agree, our troops are very smart and extremely loyal. I also hope and pray that you are correct. nyquil762
i have 5 police officers living near my house. being an ex military police officer in the U.S. ARMY (not the u.n.army) we have somewhat of a friendship. i went and asked them at the range one time if and when the feds order the taking of weapons would you follow that order. the two county sheriffs said no dam way. the two city cops of my city being but young kids said orders are orders. they would indeed follow them. the city copy a bit older form another city near by said “i served in the army and fought for this country and for our constitution and will not repeat and will not follow an order like that”. the 3 pro american cops started argument with the two liberal cops and i just stood aside and watched . they could not talk to them and reason with them in any way. i placed into the argument would you stand beside us when they come for the guns and rifles because they will. the two liberal cops said no way. they would follow what ever they are told. the sheriffs and the (west valley city) police officers said they would stand with us and resist the anti constitution grab and if need be resist to the up most.
needless to say the sheriffs officers and the w.v.c. officer were ex military the two liberal cops were never in the military. just spoiled brats who have been given everything all their lives and thought life should be that way. are all cops bad? NO. will all stand by the american people, MOST. prepare to fight if need be if you cant live for another day.
There is time for all the Pro Constitution people to get CB radios for local news and coordination. And/or Ham radios for long range communications. Police scanners may or may not work depending if your LE have gone digital.
I fear that for an invasion by U. N. or others. They will soften us up with EMP or BIO weapons.
After the second American revolution. (I’m counting on freedom loving people winning) Part of the new Constitution allows open hunting season on anyone who tries to restrict arms or ammo.
sierra dave
i work for the airforce ( u.s. airforce that is) and 7 months ago i had to attend a class on the base (HILL A.F.BASE UTAH) which was called “PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND EMP” it was given by a full bird colonel and was talking about what a E M P could do to us. a dum ass in the class thought it meant “emergency medical physicians” the colonel yelled at hem telling us that “it was not a joke that this will be used before an invasion by the chinese and russian armys and they are getting ready to full fill this. that the u s airforce and combined forces are not saying if it happens but when it will happen.” you could see that he was very upset. i talked to him after the class and he related to me that “the proof is there, that china and russia both have the emp bombs and will use them. that our government looks the other way and lives in a dream world and will not prepare for it. he said it will knock out all our planes and ships at sea. that nothing will work and america will have to depend on it people and what is left of the military to defend this country. ”
i went home and started studying the info he gave me and started collection info on the internet. i have created a faraday cage and made my entire storage room that replacing that which could be destroyed by an emp. but for the love of your family, country and constitution collect arms and ammo and foodstorge. any questions?
mikkel (doomer)
I think if the governmnt were to try to take firearms from (everyone) there would be massive resistance. To give up your guns is to give up your freedom. Another civil war. LIVE FREE OR DIE.. SAD BUT TRUE.
i think what Scorp341 says is so very very true. make it costly and they will back off. as i write this Dianne Feinstein is rewriting the brady bill but this time you can go to jail for having what she is banning. read up on this one. also harry read is now writing a law to be voted on soon to take everyones 401k retirement plans. said he does not know why the old need so much money because they have socsec. and dont need it, that it would pay down the national debt ( think what it would do the the stock market_) so taking semi auto weapons away is nothing in their eyes. just another step to taking over the country and controlling the american people. and if you do not think so look at the last elections where 47 % wanted the government to take care of them. support the constitution haha they would burn it in the trash and that is a fact. STAND UP NOW FOR WHAT IS RIGHT, STAND UP FOR THE FREEDOM AND FOR THE CONSTITUTION OF OUR BELOVED COUNTRY.
buy your weapons form those who wish to sell and not new. the government is tracking sales of all weapons. and why would they do so. to make list to take them. cwl and new sales are the best way to track. buy all the ammo you can for the time is short where you will not be able to buy,sell,trade for ammo. in 2008 hilary clinton said ” the constitution says you have right to bear arms but says nothing about your ammo.” take the hint and prepare before hand. prepare prepare prepare.
mikkel
Taking firearms from the people is the first step to total control of the people …….Hitler knew that…..
i have warned many of you that the new brady bill is coming with the backing of obama. the bill is being drafted as i write this. Senator Dianne Feinstein says she’ll reintroduce assault weapon legislation
she said it will be stronger the the one of 2004 and will be enforced .
go here to read about it
http://www.scpr.org/news/2012/09/05/34168/senator-feinstein-says-shell-reintroduce-gun-legis/
and here
http://www.examiner.com/article/senator-feinstein-looking-to-introduce-new-assault-weapons-ban
she has been heard that she wants to have ammo limited and a heavy heavy tax to push gun owners to stop and give up. as i have warned before buy all the ammo you can and reloading supplys. the heavy hand of obama is about to be slamed upon us. get ready.
mikkel
I wonder with so many people in America depending on government support in
one way or another, WOULD they (FIGHT) really (FIGHT) FOR THEIR RIGHT TO
KEEP THEIR ARMS AND DEFEND THEMSELVES ?.
1.
visit this website:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr5013/text
This is a national law, made specifically in response to this event. It says that NO ONE has the right to disarm us. (as if the constitution isnt enough right?)
2. Asymmetric warfare is a beautiful thing.
If this happens, I will give them my “throw away gun” and the minute they walk out with it, they would have started a war. The beautiful thing is they won’t even know it. Start taking out their fuel supplies, vehicles, etc.
V for vendetta the city until the return rights to people. Resistance has happened everywhere. Organize, plot, execute, regain what is yours.
Mainprepper on youtube made a video about a possible gun grab. It was someone else who posted that maybe it’s not your guns they’re coming for but YOU!
Obamas buddies, the Weather Underground. Are cited as planning, coming from an undercover FBI informant, that they would have to kill 25 million Americans who could not be re-educated.
Best to be coordinated with your neighbors in case they are taking you to the paddy wagon. Once in, there may be no escape.
So you’re plan to hand over an old gun might be self deception/suicide.
Sierra Dave
i agree we must have friends and neighbors standing by each other. i have set up the same system and stand by it. we stand against a totalitarian government ( look it up) when they come for the weapons and ammo and we stand we will not stand alone. when i was in the u s army i swore in oath to the constitution ” I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. when i e.t.s. from the army i was not sworn out and still under the sworn oath and will not betray it.
if i stand alone i will stand,and will not give in. as winston churchill said during the darkest days of ww2, Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. thats how i feel and thats how i stand. do i stand alone?
doomer
Elections do have consequences that effect our freedom!
lesser of two evils is no good for any one.
Compromise is the way no one is happy, and bad policy is created.
Notice how all politicians seem to be lawyers. hum-mm?
“Their connection between their eyes and the brain no longer function properly and they can no longer perceive the difference between a gang-banger wielding a pistol and old grandma holding a revolver. They all look the same…” You all need a serious reality check
Proof. Hurricane Katrina resulted in the confiscation of weapons. Are you in Dream Land?
love this article, however it assumes one thing too many, namely, the authorities are all good people who know the constitution and their state laws, which sadly, more and more evidence is surfacing showing they do not. people also make the assumption they can deny entrance into their homes, wrong. under today’s guidelines nothing prevents law enforcement from kicking your door in. under emergency situations, no law applies and simply not answering your door will do no good, in fact it could get you killed. police are not obligated to go away just because no one answers their door. they have and will enter if they think something is not right. if they are after a fleeing suspect even those rules are gone as they have the right to hot pursuit in the commission of a crime. someone running across your property in the middle of the night will get you a visit, even if it is simply to alert you to their prescense and the possibility of confrontation by suspect. police are human too and will react differently in such an adrenaline charged atmosphere as opposed to show and tell at a local school. they have to be able to go home at night just like anybody else. what people today are worried about, and rightly so, if the unauthorized use of force concerning illegal confiscation of their firearms simply because some radical politician in dc decides joe public should no longer have the ability not to be a slave to the feds. in that specific instance i would hope the local authorities, who live and have families in the area, would do the right thing and defend their people against such govt over reach. in the event such a thing were to occur the american gun owner has the right, as specified in the constitution, to resist with deadly force. our constitution is the only one ever written that guarantees the people the right to do away with a dictatorship and rebuild the govt. if your own people, from which police and military are drawn, would follow such orders and gun down their own countrymen, then they are no longer police officers but gestapo, who should be hunted down and killed on sight. the 2nd amendment is the most important of the others, because without such a right nothing stands to prevent the politician from taking all our rights anytime it became convienient to do so. without a gun you no longer can enforce your rights to due process, voting, free speech, life, liberty, or the pursuit to happiness. you would become nothing more than a slave, to be scraped off an elites shoe the moment they decided your life no longer had meaning to them. the fact the discussion about firearm ban is even taking place show the warning of the canary in the coal mine is most appropriate. when a politician no longer fears the public to the extent he feels safe to disarm the populace and expect no backlash, indicates just how close we are to implementation of a one party state where oor rights are only what someone else says they are. the fact they are prepared to order the military and law enforcement to begin confiscation shows we are at war, or rather that war is upon us, whether we choose to be or not. every public service member of the govt should understand the minute my family members become their target then their family members will become mine. your rights extend to the bridge of my nose, any further and we have a major problem. americans won their freedom. we did not bargain for it of ask permission. i have more than a dozen family members put in the ground in foreign countries all over the world to keep that right. for me to simply roll over and hand over the one instrument that assures we live here safe and in peace is something i will die to keep from happening. those who think like i do should be preparing for this fight. we all know people who feel as we do and we must band together and prepare to take this fight to the enemy. the enemy is anyone, any agency, any group, and city govt, that attempts to take our firearms. prepare for battle folks, the communists who are now in charge will fight to to make us slaves. the only question left for you to answer is will you live as a slave or as a free man?