Israel To Be Attacked From the North? Turkey
September 10, 2011, Submitted by: Ken Tweet
A War is brewing between Israel and a neighbor to the north, Turkey.
Here’s the setup…
Oil
The gas and oil resources of the eastern Mediterranean opposite Israel’s shores. Turkey wants them.
Libya
Turkey was left behind and forgotten in the heat of the action. The sharing out of Libyan oil as the spoils of war went to the Western powers.
Prestige
Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, wants prestige and leadership among the Arab nations, none of which have dared to directly confront Israel yet. Even Iran would be left in the shadow for never daring to provoke Israel the way Turkey has planned.
Here’s the action plan…
(Information source: DEBKAfile)
1. To split Israel’s small Navy in two – one for sustaining the blockade against Gaza and one for safeguarding the gas and oil rigs opposite its shores.
2. To scare Israel into the full or partial stoppage of its offshore oil and gas operations, thereby robbing it of energy power status and substantial economic gains. Erdogan is determined never to let Israel overshadow Turkey in the regional stakes and will put a stop to the Jewish state’s progress – even if military aggression is called for.
(Information source: DEBKAfile)
Erdogan announced that Turkish warships will escort any Turkish aid vessels for Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. If Turkish ships breach the Israeli naval blockade of Gaza, Erdogan will become the first Muslim leader to embark on military action in the Palestinian cause.
Turkey believes that Egypt and Saudi Arabia, which have been watching their maneuvers with deep suspicion, will have no choice but to play ball now that Turkey has confronted Israel.
Sources report that the Turkish prime minister is resolved to corner Israel into an inescapable military confrontation.
As for Washington, Erdogan is counting on President Barack Obama’s backing in a military clash with Israel.
In the past week, Erdogan expelled the Israeli ambassador, halted defense purchases, announced plans to send more warships to the eastern Mediterranean and said he may visit Gaza.
Hold on to your hats… here we go…
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But are they prepared to face one of Israel’s nukes?
They are betting a lot that Israel won’t use one if pushed far enough. Things are starting to get ugly enough that I think they would use them.
Turkey has NATO Nukes too. Do you think it would take more than 10 seconds to convert them. If Israel fires one, Turkey fires all 40. Israel can not win in a war with Turkey. This is a fact!! Keep dreaming Israel, the ME is watching and ready for you
Also to the west the Egyptians are now calling for an end to the 1979 truce with Israel. http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-pm-condemns-embassy-attack-egypt-114517408.html This link talks all about how the Israeli embassy in Egypt was attacked yesterday. Arabs hate the Jewish people and the Jewish people hate the arabs equally as much. Israel now has all fronts to worry about as Egypt will likely trash any type of relationship with Israel. The people of Egypt have much disdain for the 1979 peace treaty. Egypt and Turkey are not a bunch of backward type militaries, especially Turkey. You have possibly Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and probably every other Arab nation backing against Israel. Looks like Israel was not too paranoid to have hundreds of nuclear weapons ready.
i hate it that neo-cons and hawks (arab, christian, jew, etc.) on all sides have created such a shitty situation. pox on all of them.
… and there cannot possibly be THAT much natural gas off the coast, though there may be some. it’s not enough to spark a possible nuclear conflict.
the whole region is a barren desert for the most part, a testament to it being inhabited by humans for so long; we’re unsustainable with agriculture. the region has been at the cross roads in the history for as long as it’s been recorded and clearly people are taking it too personally. everyone is so entrenched. it’s boring really; “oh, lemme check the internet, oh the middle east is in turmoil… who’d'a thunk, it’s such a surprise.”
Sam – you obviously do not know anything about the Middle East. Israel wants peace, they have to spend so much of their GDP on defence its a joke.
Everyday in Arab newspapers, everyday on Arab run Facebook pages (Check out f*ck Israel” for example). The Arabs, mainly egyptians, post racist comments and pictures of Jews and Israelis.
This comes down to 1 simple fact: The Arabs do not want JEWS, or Christians, to have a single grain of the land of Israel. They want them all out of ther, and to do this they manipulate the press with PR.
Every time you hear about Israel attacking these backward thinking, female abusing cowards on Western Media you never hear about why, or if you do it is made as a side comment which isn’t picked up your brain, due to the way it is “couched”.
You hear about Arab kids being killed, but never Israeli kids being killed. The thing is is that Israel, unlike ANY other country, gives advance warning of any military operations to its enemy. So why are there kids there if the Arabs have advance notice? Maybe because it makes good PR against Israel.
Other myths the Arabs, and the Western Media, keep spouting are ones like “Apartheid” and occupation. There has never been a State of “Palestine”, it was only ever named anything to do with “Palestine” under the British Mandate. So if there was never a State of “Palestine” how can there be “Palestinians”. This is simply because “Palestinians” did NOT exsist until the end of the 6 day war. The Gazans are ex-Egyptian, the West Bankers ex-Jordanian. Even one of their ex-terrorist leaders, a Mr. Walid Shoebat, has realised the truth of that and now wants peace.
Only Arabs believe that Palestine is “10,000″ years old. If this was the case there would be evidence of “Palestinian” artifacts, when there aren’t any. Yet it is amazing how many “Jewish” artifacts are found in the area.
As for the Apartheid. Israeli Arabs, black African Christians, Druze, Christians etc who live in Israel ALL have the same rights. This is not the case in any Arab country.
There is a lot of BS spoken on the News about Israel, and I for one am sick of it.
Sam, Israel is not using any of it’s own money. It uses US taxpayers money mostly and , of course, the Milk Cow Germany. Let’s get real for a change. The driving forces in world power cares zero about Jews; they will happily sacrifice the present six million Jews in Israel just so they can attain world dominance. The Zionist sacrificed a few million Jews during ww2 in order to get psychological control over western minds. Please go read some facts, not the normal propaganda.
Three Cheers for Anon!!!! Finally someone willing to speak the truth and enlighten lazy Americans about what is happening to Israel before our eyes. Israel is being demonized by the world and is being sold out by our current administration and the hyper-liberal media. Israel will be forced to defend itself and there will be casualties….and then the anti-Israel / pro-palestine rhetoric will be turned on full blast by CBS/ABC/NBC/MSNBC/CNN/HLN and the truly sad part is that our lazy american citizens will believe it and have already forgotten that we were once Israel’s best ally.
Food for thought: Who will be our ally in the middle east once Israel is wiped off the map (which is the blatant cry from Iran – who funds most of the terrorism against Israel)? How many of the Arab Spring countries will be our allies….oops, none.
Israel is not without blame either, Israel absolutely hates Arabs and Arabs hate them more, it is part of both of their thought patterns. There is a little known fact about Israel if you look at their flag. There are two solid blue lines above and below the Star of David and this represents the Nile and the Eurphates rivers. Israel believes that all of its land actually runs between these two rivers. This would include eastern Eygpt, most of Syria, half of Iraq, all of Jordan and Lebanon, a piece of Saudi Arabia and a little piece of Turkey. Israel took a small slice of what they believe is their real homeland granted, but usually never give back what they annex in any war, Gaza and a small piece of Lebanon as the exceptions. Israel would take all this land if they had the opportunity to. Israel is actually densely populated, because of most of Israel is desert and not easily farmed or livable on.
The real reason why Israel does not bomb the living daylights out of the Arabs when attacked is because of fear of international condemnation and because they are still fearful of a counteratack. Hundreds of Israelis were blown up by suicide bombers for many years as this destroyed the inner workings of the country and the tourism industry to boot. No country is usually the innocent victim of a type of racial war that has been going on for thousands of years.
Most wars are fought over resources, and as those resources become less and less and the population gets bigger and bigger there are going to be all sorts of wars over what is left. When two different races of people absolutely hate each other it is just much easier to start a war. The real issue with war now are weapons of mass destruction that are awful and spread rapidly over the air currents of the planet when deployed. The Middle East is a place always to watch closely and be ready for a war to spread all over the region. Israel and the Arabs affect the whole planet.
Check your facts, Israel also “gave back” the Sinai peninsula, which was won from Egypt in the six day war….that is an enormous “gift”
“Israel absolutely hates Arabs”
This is absolutely BS.
Over 20% of the Israeli population are arabs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
Israel hates terrorists (and so do I).
@ R. de Haan. Israel hates Arabs as this hate goes for thousands of years. Jewish people hate Muslims and Muslims hate Jewish people, it is interbred in them. I have known many, many Jewish people all my life, and ONLY one did not have a seething feeling towards Muslims. India has one of the largest Muslim populations in the world and the Hindu people feel much disdain towards the Muslim population. Just because a race lives with one another does not mean that they have some sort of friendly relationship or at all respect each other. Just look at these tribal wars which two different races or beliefs live together and result in mass atrocities.
Muslims have a philosphy of pushing Israel into the sea and hanging Jewish people on meat hooks one day. How can the Jewish people have feelings of any goodwill towards people that hate them so much. R. de Haan may I suggest you seek out the truth about this hateful relationship from some of the absolutely terrible forms of abuse of Muslim citizens living in Israel that have done absolutely nothing, from the Israeli government. I am not pro Muslim and their tactics that they attack innocent Jewish people, but the Israeli government is hardly without mass blame. Many innocent Muslims go through ugly “guilt through association” and are taken away from their families for months or even years and they did “nothing”. The Jewish people have great despise for Muslims and it is pure horsesh^& (HS) that they get along like a bunch of happy campers.
@ Check your facts. You are right, forget about the Sinai. This though was not really a gift, it was more of a compromise for some sort of peace in 1981 I believe, 2 years after the 1979 peace treaty. I guess I always considered the Sinai part of Egypt because all the maps I have are listed as such. My mistake.
A humble acceptance of a previous error is becoming more and more rare these days. You are a shining for the rest of us, myself included.
The Sinai “gift,” from my understanding was part of the failed “Land for Peace” initiative that weakened Israel’s ability to defend herself with nothing to show for it.
Turkey is our NATO ally and Israel is not. So, who would the US support in a war between Turkey & Israel?
Israel is not a NATO Member but it is a NATO Partner. This means Israel is invited to take part in military exercises
and has most of it’s weapon systems at Nato standards.
In fact Israel can’t afford to be a NATO Member because it would not be aloud to act on it’s own initiative.
The execution of raids against the nuclear plant in Iraq in 1981 http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/7/newsid_3014000/3014623.stm
and more recently the raid against a Syrian nuclear complex wouldn’t be possible if Israel would have been a full NATO Member.
There is however another reason why Israel remains it’s independence.
Turkey provides the example.
1. Last year Turkey signed a “Security Alliance” with Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iran.
2. We know Turkey exchanged security data with Iran.
3. And we also know that Turkey received Chinese Jets that flew in from China making a tank stop in Tehran.
With a NATO Partner like Turkey we need no enemies.
http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=41926
In short, Israel can’t afford a full NATO membership.
And how right they are.
Here’s an article http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4121642,00.html that proves Turkey is taking the possible war with Israel seriously, very seriously. It is coming somewhere in the world.
Erdogan is making a big mistake.
The Israeli Air Force and their subs will destroy the Turkish Junk Navy within a single day. No doubt about that.
Besides that Erdogan is the last person in the world to judge Israel or any other country for that matter.
The violent suppression of the Kurds, the denial of the Armenian genocide, the murder and suppression of journalist’s, critical writers, military, christians and the cooperation with Iran undermining the international sanctions completely eradicates his right to speak or take on any leading role in any political process outside Turkey.
True, Erdogan isn’t a man of peace. He is a dangerous war monger and an islamofascist of the worst kind.
But the US already told him to dim down his tone on Israel or face a military boycott.
I think Erdogan suffers from complete lack of judgement and if he continues his current track his day’s are numbered.
Why:
- There i still a strong opposition against Edogan in the Turkish Military
- Although he won the last elections there is a stron opposition among the people (those who are still in support
of the “Father of Turkey” Attatürk. It is no surprise that most of the followers of Attatürk have family in the Army.
- Turkey has internal enemies (the Kurds) who will take advantage of any military engagement to attack.
- Turkey’s economy is tanking and they can’t afford to loose their tourist industry
- For the same reason they can’t afford Western countries to retreat their operations from Turkey.
In short, any Turkish aggression towards israel is suicide. Period.
If Israel was a full NATO member then IF anyone attacked them, it would be considered an attack on ALL NATO members. Israel does not want to become part of NATO because they would be obligated to participate in any war against NATO. Israel is tiny and does not want to be a big fat target when Russia eventually goes to war with NATO. It would only take a few Russian hydrogen bombs to end Israel as a country. This is probably wise.
I’ve noticed that all of the discussion has left out the root cause of the conflict in the middle east between the Arabs and Israelis.It is the fact that the father of the Arabs/Muslims was Abraham, but the promise and covenant was between G-d and Abraham/Isaac. Read Genesis chapters 16 and 17 and it pretty much puts the conflict in the proper context. Verse 16:12 describes the way the Muslims are exactly. When they are not fighting Israel and the US, then they are fighting one another. The reason most of you don’t know this is because it has never been taught by the “Church”. G-d is going to protect Israel. If you look at a map of the area, Israel is surrounded by millions of muslims and while they may harass Israel they haven’t all out attacked them, why do you think that is?
Genesis 16:7 The angel of Yahweh found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. 16:8 He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s handmaid, where did you come from? Where are you going?”
She said, “I am fleeing from the face of my mistress Sarai.”
16:9 The angel of Yahweh said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself under her hands.” 16:10 The angel of Yahweh said to her, “I will greatly multiply your seed, that they will not be numbered for multitude.” 16:11 The angel of Yahweh said to her, “Behold, you are with child, and will bear a son. You shall call his name Ishmael, because Yahweh has heard your affliction. 16:12 He will be like a wild donkey among men. His hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. He will live opposite all of his brothers.”
16:13 She called the name of Yahweh who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees,” for she said, “Have I even stayed alive after seeing him?” 16:14 Therefore the well was called Beer Lahai Roi. Behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
16:15 Hagar bore a son for Abram. Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael. 16:16 Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to Abram.
17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, Yahweh appeared to Abram, and said to him, “I am God Almighty. Walk before me, and be blameless. 17:2 I will make my covenant between me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”
17:3 Abram fell on his face. God talked with him, saying, 17:4 “As for me, behold, my covenant is with you. You will be the father of a multitude of nations. 17:5 Neither will your name any more be called Abram, but your name will be Abraham; for I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. 17:6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you. Kings will come out of you. 17:7 I will establish my covenant between me and you and your seed after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God to you and to your seed after you. 17:8 I will give to you, and to your seed after you, the land where you are traveling, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession. I will be their God.”
17:9 God said to Abraham, “As for you, you will keep my covenant, you and your seed after you throughout their generations. 17:10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your seed after you. Every male among you shall be circumcised. 17:11 You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin. It will be a token of the covenant between me and you. 17:12 He who is eight days old will be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations, he who is born in the house, or bought with money from any foreigner who is not of your seed. 17:13 He who is born in your house, and he who is bought with your money, must be circumcised. My covenant will be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 17:14 The uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant.”
17:15 God said to Abraham, “As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but her name will be Sarah. 17:16 I will bless her, and moreover I will give you a son by her. Yes, I will bless her, and she will be a mother of nations. Kings of peoples will come from her.”
17:17 Then Abraham fell on his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, “Will a child be born to him who is one hundred years old? Will Sarah, who is ninety years old, give birth?” 17:18 Abraham said to God, “Oh that Ishmael might live before you!”
17:19 God said, “No, but Sarah, your wife, will bear you a son. You shall call his name Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his seed after him. 17:20 As for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He will become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 17:21 But my covenant I establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this set time next year.”
Even though I left my email address I don’t have time for a dialog about this. I just couldn’t sit by and lit everyones ignorance shine.
Kenneth
Israeli-Greek defense pact invoked versus Turkish naval and air movements
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report September 15, 2011, 10:51 AM (GMT+02:00) Tags: Israel Greece Turkey Oil gas war Mediterranean Cyprus
Turkish warplanes
Israel and Greece have invoked the mutual defense pact they signed secretly only 12 days ago in the light of heavy Turkish sea and air movements in the eastern Mediterranean. DEBKAfile’s sources report that this was decided in a long nocturnal phone conversation Wednesday night Sept. 14 between the Israeli and Greek prime ministers, Binyamin Netanyahu and George Papandreou, and at Israel’s expanded cabinet of eight, which was called into session over the Turkish threat to its off-shore oil and gas rigs.
The Greek Prime Minister added to the information recorded so far on Turkish fleet movements in the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas. He was particularly concerned by the observation flights suddenly increased in the past 48 hours over the Greek island of Kastelorizo in the southeast Mediterranean just two kilometers from the Turkish coast. Those flights are escorted by Turkish combat jets.
Athens fears a Turkish attack on the island, whose population is fewer than 1,000, and an attempt to damage or seize it. Israel suspects that a Turkish attack on the Greek island will be the signal for Turkish military aggression against its oil and gas platforms located in the Mediterranean between Israel and Cyprus. Papandreou said the Turks are capable of surprise attacks on additional Greek islands near the Turkish coast.
Ankara would be acting on the pretext that Israel and Cyprus have no right to mark out and exploit the gas and oil zones of the eastern Mediterranean – a fuel-rich region known as Block 12 – without the consent of Turkish Cyprus (the Turkish Republic of North Cyprus – TRNC). Turkey also backs Lebanon’s complaint that Israel is robbing it of its natural resources. Talks between Lebanon and Cyprus to resolve this issue broke down. Beirut refuses any discussion with Israel.
Neither Jerusalem nor Athens has disclosed in what way they have invoked the new defense pact.
DEBKAfile’s military sources surmise that in the first stage, Israeli navy and air forces are to be posted at Greek Mediterranean bases. The two intelligence agencies are already sharing input.
Up until now, Israel could only respond to a Turkish threat from its own borders. With a presence at Greek military bases, Israel will be able to operate from the rear of Turkish forces in the event of an attack by those forces in the Mediterranean.
Monday, Sept. 12, Ankara dictated conditions for Israel to obey in order to keep its navy afloat free of Turkish aggression:
1. Israel vessels are prohibited from taking action against Turkish ships heading for the Gaza Strip. Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan has declared “null and void” the UN report confirming the legality of Israel’s blockade of Gaza.
2. Israeli warships crossing the 12-mile line bounding its territorial waters will be challenged by Turkish warships, which are instructed to approach them to within 100 meters and “disable their weapons.”
This threat covers not only shipping bound for Gaza but also Israel’s oil and gas drilling platforms which are more than 60 miles out to sea.
Israel’s political and military spokesmen have been trying hard to downplay the Turkish menace. On Wednesday, Sept. 14, they brushed aside reports of Turkish naval and air movements in the eastern Mediterranean. After the cabinet of eight’s meeting, the official line was that Israel is practicing “restraint in contrast to Turkish wildness” and they should be given time to cool down. In any case, the US and NATO were closely monitoring the crisis Ankara is generating with Israel, Greece and Cyprus, and won’t let it degenerate into Turkish military action.
But both Israel and Greece appear to know better: They decided to invoke their mutual defense pact – not before obtaining a green light from Washington – because they believe the Turkish threats indicated by its military movements are real and tangible.
It is ready to happen in the Middle East and there is no news about about is going on with the mass media. Unbelievable isn’t it?
Turkey needs at least a “prestige victory” to backup its politics in the area. PM Erdogan went around the arab countries literally saying “it’s payment time for Israel”…The surprising thing is that after many many years Turkey plays on its own in the area without any obvious western allie, exept of course if Turkey agreed to give some of the “energy” zone to a foreign company! But did Erdogan cleared Turkey’s inside problems, especially the armed forces oppossition to an islamic state? Don’t forget that Turkey is 20% kurdish people and Turkey is uncapable of eliminating the kurdish guerillas for 20 years. And what about Greece…? A turkish threat will be the best getaway plan from its EU and economical problems. In conclusion, I believe Turkey is being self-trapped.I think it will invade Kastelorizo, a greek island 2kms from turkish coast, thinking that EU or NATO will not react in this act or Western Thrace, but will be bitterly surprised by the Europeans, the Israelish and even the Russians. On the contrary the arab people dont really “like” the turkish semi-islamic, imperialistic politics…Turkish unofficial military help was accepted only in Cechnya and somehow in Bosnia, never in an Arab country.
PM Erdogan has been fighting since he has been in parliament. Cleaning corruption in military and civil departments. Currently there are over 50 generals in custody for corruption ( attempting to disable the government throught terrorism). He has gained more seats each time the country has gone to election. As for Kurds, Erdogan has given them more rights then what Ataturks has. For the first time they aren’t prosecuted for speaking their language, the government has sponsored radio stations, tv studios, newspapers. They even let them establish a political party. Before Erdogan civil servant never got sacked no matter what they did. How would you perform at work if that was the case. It took me 3 days in 95 to get a tax file number at the end I paid the guy at the desk 50 mark and 5 mins. It took 3 men to do 1 mans job. They have a saying in Turkish “dayin olcak” in means you gotto know someone. The PM got rid of this that’s why there were lots of protests. Also when it comes to terrorist turkey would have cleaned them 20 years ago but some influential businessmen, military officials and other people of influence don’t want the war to. “derin devlet” meaning deep state was establish by NATO in the late 50s to prevent the possible soviet attack and occupation. The deep state whose members were military officials, businessman, some senators, and other influential men would rally people to caches of hidden armament and fight off the communist soviets out. But with the cold war over the orginasitation continues, it’s motives influence policy, keep turkey on a kemalism path even thought it’s not helping
military technology and ammunition
Turkey – 3
Israel – 5
courage and determination
turkey – 5
Israel – 2
strategic position
turkey – 5
Israel – 2
powers to help
turkey – 4
Israel – 3
training and experience
Turkey – 3
Israel – 4
airforce
turkey – 5
Israel – 5
naval forces
turkey – 4
Israel – 2
intelligence and command
Turkey – 3
Israel – 5
The number of soldiers
turkey – 5
Israel – 1
@ Commando. Nuclear forces; Israel 5, Turkey 0, or if you count what might be stationed from NATO in Turkey 1 or 2. When it comes down to it, nuclear weapons will be eventually used in warfare. The nanosecond Pandora’s Box is opened then everything is off the table. Israel’s Project Sampson. People have completely forgotten about the horrors of war, especially what nuclear can do. The whole world is in big trouble and getting worse.