How long will our Democracy Last? Although the United States is not a true democracy where simple majority rules, we are a republic with a strong lean towards democracy.
From a historical perspective the average lifespan of a democracy is about 200 years.
Some say between 200 and 250.
Since the Declaration of Independence 1776, the United States is getting “old”…
241 years this July 4th, 2017.
After doing some internet research on “the life-cycle of a democracy”, many of the results return a common timeline as follows:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith
2. From spiritual faith to great courage
3. From courage to liberty
4. From liberty to abundance
5. From abundance to complacency
6. From complacency to apathy
7. From apathy to dependence
8. From dependence back into bondage
The question is, where do you think we are on this timeline?
Looks to me like we’re somewhere between 7 and 8.
Where do you think we’re headed?
Since today is July 4th, rather than simply dishing out a patriotic message I thought that I would consider the state of our nation compared with the historical life cycle of a democracy.
Current events are unfolding that indicate state and local governments are running out of “other people’s money”, and we all know that the federal government is in debt up to its eyeballs… coupled with our evident extreme political differences…
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
“Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.”
From abundance to dependence and thence into bondage.
The “affordable” care act was the last step into bondage. A new entitlement that we can’t afford, but now Congress won’t get rid of because already too many of their constituents are dependent. That was the democrat plan all along. Roberts gave us a way out, but greedy governors saw free money and expanded Medicaid. Governor Mead tried to do it, but our legislature wouldn’t let him.
We see what socialized medicine can do; parents who want to bring their baby to the U.S. for treatment are blocked by their courts who think the baby should die. Once the government gets hold of our health care (our life) no one will dare to oppose them. We will be in bondage for sure if they get “single payer” and so will the rest of the world, who up to now have the option of going to the U.S. for treatment if their government rations care. But once our health is under government control, everything will spiral down worldwide. There will be no place for anyone to go.
With all due respect, Roberts had an out. Instead, he violated the Constitution and rewrote the law to not violate the commerce clause. ACA is still unconstitutional, just not so much thanks to Roberts.
@Chamele0n, well said and completely correct!
I didn’t mean to excuse Roberts. The law was unconstitutional for several reasons. What ever happened to the fact that if the penalty is a tax, then the bill had to start in the House? Taking a House passed bill, changing every word, even the title, and then passing it through the Senate doesn’t count as “originating in the House.”
But even if Roberts rewrote the law (perhaps he was bribed, threatened, or blackmailed), he still left States an out, which many Republican governors ignored in order to grab some Federal Money. That was my only point.
Daisy——I agree with you 100%. Americans need to pull together to keep
this country strong. But instead they aren’t. A lot are talking
civil war breaking out & President Trump starting it.
I believe Obama & the Democratic party started it 9 yrs ago.
Things started changing when Prayer was taken out of school.
And that is really the ONLY way this country will get back
May God Bless America from sea to shining sea
Our Nation’s demise began in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act. Our demise continued with FDR’s “New Deal”. LBJ ushered in an additional way to transfer wealth via the “War on ___” (fill in the blank), the Bushes verbalized “the New World Order” and steered America into globalism, and Obama began to “fundamentally transform” America through blatant socialism.
Nice, concise summation!
Accurate list there Ken. I feel that we are between 6 and 7.
Same here PG.
agreed
I believe the human race (including the U.S.) is firmly in step 7 and there will never be a step 8. The next step will put the human race firmly in a near species extinction phase. Here is why:
1. Most people can not even grow or otherwise produce their own food.
2. There is so much hostility and hate between people that conflict resolution will be by killing each other.
3. People have just about removed Gods good influence from our lives and we depend on our own understanding.
4. People have lost the willingness to work hard, we think that the government will provide what ever.
5. There is a large amount of addictive drug use world wide just to cope with all the social stresses.
6. There is a very pronounced dumbing down of our schools and colleges to the point of worthless degrees.
After writing all of the above how can I say “Have a Good Day” in good faith.
Extremely well said
“After writing all of the above how can I say “Have a Good Day” in good faith.” You can, because “Have a good day” is a hope and a prayer rather than a statement of fact.
On an individual basis, I think steps 1-7 apply, depending on the socio-economic status of the individual. Nationally, I believe that Divine intervention will be necessary to avoid number 8. His promises are still in the Book!
Texas Boy has a point. I was going to say closer to 8 than 7. I do think freedom and liberty will rise from the ashes. I just don’t know how long that will take. Its a sad state of things when going on vacation means packing 2 handguns, 2 ARs, body armor, water filters, Get home backs, radiation gear, topo maps, and food. This may be the last time we see the ocean for awhile.
There is that last gasp for freedom.
That RED/BLUE map of how the Counties voted in the last election shows the clear distinction of the dependency class versus the more rural independent population.
I love that map because it gives me HOPE.
Then I look at Venezuela, Europe, N Korea, Yemen, Somalia, Libia, …. then I know the human race is headed into degradation and that tidal wave is going to be almost impossible to stop.
To answer the title question, as long as we ” keep it “, to reference Ben Franklin’s admonition. Albeit, keeping it may perhaps be nearly as difficult as obtaining it. If step #8 occurs, I hope that everyone enjoys eating rice.
America’s demise is eminent! “We the People” have slowly allowed our freedoms to be taken away by placing too much trust in politicians to do the right thing. Allowing absolute power ensures absolute corruption because of greed!! Too many hands in the TILL!! I do believe that President Trump is in GRAVE DANGER of ending up like JFK!! However, the demise of President Trump would lock this country into a civil war. Whether the trigger event is WWIII, Massive natural disaster, economic collapse, this country is on the edge of the cliff and all it will take a little push. EVERY POLITICIAN who has gone to Washington DC over the last 30 years has benefited ten fold of their net worth upon leaving. I’m afraid that “We the People” have waited too late to do anything to reverse this downward spiral!! We have ignored the values of our Founding Fathers that were written in the Declaration Of Independence for too Long!!!
Solid 8. Some I encounter are ready to embrace bondage ASAP.
cossack55
The best example is the total surrender of a once strong race of men – Sweden is lost through weakness and dependency bondage.
I totally agree. How many Millennials are ready to take the Mark of the Beast? Most have already traded away their God-given freedoms for a bowl of pottage.
A powerful messge!
In every civilization, country, society in the world since the beginning of time there have always been a small handful of humans who desire freedom over bondage and who have fought to their dying breath to stay free. There are very few people in America today who believe in freedom over bondage, much less even have a clue to what that means.
Having said that, I think we are already at number 8 or beyond. The vast majority of Americans are already in bondage, they just don’t know it. They all think it’s ok to be in debt totally beyond their ability to ever re-pay it. They already think governments should spend more and more and go deeper in debt to provide them with what they want or think they need. They already think it’s ok to pass laws that restrict everybody they don’t agree with or who are different than them, because they are too stupid and greedy to realize the restrictions also apply to them. They are already dependent on the government and the banker for just about everything. If we were free, we wouldn’t be forced to get licenses and permits to do everything we want to do. Americans are already in bondage.
You cannot be free and subscribe to universal health-care.
You cannot be free when you are indebted to the bankers for every facet of your life.
You cannot be free when you are unable to realize that nothing ever, is free and that everything has a price and think the other guy is going to pay for it.
You are not free when you cannot drive, fish, hunt, work, feed others, grow or sell produce, build additions to your home, cultivate your own property, smoke, drink, or grow and enjoy natural plants or make your own spirits without either getting a license, permit or going to prison for doing so.
America is at number 8 and halfway to number 9 (which isn’t listed), and that is the physical elimination of all those who refuse to be forced into bondage. That is happening, by the way, and has been going on for a couple decades. When you see an individual or a group of people being shot down or arrested and thrown into prison for exercising their God given right to be free, or trying to stop tyrants who are intent on destroying them, and you dance and cheer because those people are not like you then it won’t be long before the same fate befalls you.
The title is apt. We haven’t been a republic since 1913. Some say since the Civil War or several points in between. That argument is for a different day.
Beautifully stated, Crabbe.
CrabbeNebulae,
Good list. You might add though, that we cannot demand that government not interfere with our right to seek our own destiny, but at the same time expect government to rescue us if we screw it up.
As a parent with grown kids, if they find themselves back home under my roof, they understand that if I’m paying the bills, they operate under my rules.
One of those “natural laws”.
Very well said, CrabbeNebulae
Agree!
Sadly most of the people we know, do not even care that they are in bondage,
Sad that people who want to- cannot legally grow any of their own food, nor do many even want to…
When I drive into town or into the larger suburbia, I keep thinking most of the people do not have any food they are producing, it blows my mind….
Our societies have been groomed and conditioned for bondage.
So that it is perceived as normal.
I believe the demise and corruption of our nation has been planned and orchestrated for a long time…
I do foresee serious conflict in our nation in the near future, which will further propagate the “need” for more governance, surveillance, and control…
Stay grounded. Stay alert. Grow stronger.
May those who strive to live the sustainable/prepared lifestyle have much wisdom, understanding, and protections of the remaining precious freedoms you live each day…
“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”
President Dwight D. Eisenhower, his Fairwell Address, January 17, 1961
It took much courage for President Eisenhower to write those words. Unfortunately those words were ignored by the majority of citizens, just as the actions of the last half decade by those that were entrusted with the responsibility to represent us. Too many politicians have given promises that they had NO INTENTION of keeping. Instead, once elected choose to place more importance on paying back favors to those that contributed to their campaigns instead of the wishes to the majority of their consituants that voted them into office. How many more LIES are going to be told before America starts revolting against MSM, Politicians that are bought off by major corps and foreign Govts?? A revolt WILL just hasen the day when they are exposed, but at least it would start when “WE the People” decide the time frame and not the Evil Secret Govt!!!
The revolt should be in full swing then, instead …
I believe that we are between 7-8. I don’t believe that bondage is complete, but it is close to being so. We may live in a democratic republic in name, but we live in an oligarchy in fact.
I do not believe that the ACA, globalist trade deals, religion in schools, entitlements, endless wars, immigration, or any of the other things being fought over are the problem. I believe that they are symptoms of the disease. I believe that we have been distracted from addressing the disease by fighting over the symptoms. We have been divided into false categories and played against each other so that TPTB can enrich themselves and continue to play their games.
I believe that the last time the majority of people in this country identified as Americans was in the aftermath of 9-11. That feeling of unification only lasted until the fear it generated divided us further.
There are people from across the political spectrum, people of different religious beliefs, people who live in rural and urban areas, people with various shades of skin tone who all agree that our country (and the world) is broken. We may have differences of opinion on what the ideal society should look like, but those differences are not insurmountable if we can get past that which has been used to divide us and focus on what we have in common, as Americans.
The unification after 9/11 lasted until the media started playing up the fear. “Take it off the TV! It’s scaring people! Badthink!”
Agreed that it’s all a distraction. And the fact that TPTB are trying so hard to distract us suggests that we can still win this thing. Otherwise they’d be crowing their victory and rubbing our noses in the fact.
I’m not sure whether we’re at 7 or 8. I think we’re well past complacency–everyone see’s what’s going on. We’re either in apathy or dependence, if not into bondage. I think a combination. As a whole (as a US society) we’re into the first fringes of 8, but I think there are some holdouts in 7. Globally we’re in a solid 8, and the world is pushing ever harder. They want what the US has, and they’re going to take it by making us like them. Doesn’t work that way, but try convincing a socialist.
“Come, join us! Give us everything you have and we’ll give part of it back to you!”
We are doomed
…
After living a long life, I have come to the conclusion Humanity will become an extinct species, not having the rational ability to prevent its own demise.
Mankind’s basic, and fatal, flaw is irrationality, the inability to apply logic to sensory experience, and integrate the results, without contradiction, into the hierarchy of the mind. This results in the absence of rational values, and allows for the adoption of irrational values, which always result in suffering and death. This allows the adoption of an arbitrary claim as fact. This allows one’s whims to replace Reality. This allows emotion to become the governing factor and not reason. This allows one to live in a fantasy world, created from a mire of dire contradictions, which is shrouded in a blinding fog of confusion…and, never, ever, realizing it.
Man is simply too stupid, too ignorant, too violent, and too irrational, as a species, to survive the abuse of those powers, which were provided to them by a small minority of its rational members.
The stupid shall always out breed the smart, until they overrun the society, which granted their existence. Happens every time, without fail.
A Republic of mental defectives cannot survive.
Ision,
I’ve long told people that we go through life assuming we are intelligent beings, that our thoughts and actions are right. I then pose this – “what if we are all actually crazy as ‘bessie bugs’ and don’t have enough sense to realize it?”
YES. APATHY AND DEPENDENCE WILL SOON BE OUR DESTRUCTION. HOW COMPLETE THAT DESTRUCTION REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
I hate to say it but the imbalance in nature, being overrun with humans, will be corrected. When it comes right down to it, it is the ultimate dependence on the earth that counts – we are not above this dependence. And yet, more and more race towards the concrete jungle.
My two cents is
it is not overpopulation that is the problem…
(that’s what I see being taught)
it is the gross mismanagement and use of the earth’s life giving resources…
Shepherdess
I guess it depends on what you consider as living – how sustainable are the cities with populations reaching 10 million. Even urban areas with a couple million are now on that knife’s edge of anarchy and decay. I do agree that if every family had a few acres and all worked towards producing their own needs, survival is possible and worthwhile – but who wants to work like that any more?
Like several others I agree that we are somewhere between 7&8. In northern Ca. some of us are working to regain control of our government by splitting the state into two, forming the new state of Jefferson. We plan on modeling our government after the state of Idaho. California’s deficit spending is $40,000,000.00 per day, our governor want’s to build two 60 foot diameter tunnels to take northern California’s water and send it to LA., along with his high speed train from Sac.to LA. Idaho’s government operates on deficit spending also ($50,000.00 per day). There are 10 states out of the 50 that are decreasing there debt. My point is, there is still a small chance of hope for this nation.
I retired and left Northern Ca (San Andreas Ca) for Northern Idaho. The Gov here is pretty stable as far as Constitutionalist type of politicians. Ca had been going to a socialist ruling type Gov, and unfortunately, the Law Enforcement is happy enforcing the unconstitutional laws that have been passed. I think they are constantly trying to get revenue out of the people, as eventually it will fail under its own “redistribution of wealth” policies.
I’m hope to you all a wonderful celebration and remembrance of this Country’s claim to Independence and Freedom.
In the mid-1770s a group of people we now call the 3%ers saw a vision for this chunk of dirt we now call The United States of America. At the time this was a small growing country under the rule of the King of England and although the population was small I’d like to address the fact that 3% of the population dreamed of a country that was free of the ‘Bondage’ of a King/Dictatorship government.
These 3% brought on the Revolutionary War casting the entire country/population into chaos and the unknown finally growing it to the Country we once knew, The Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, The Articles Amendments, among other “Laws” were drafted and enacted by this 3%ers for the betterment of this Great Country removing us from the ‘Bondage’ of what was.
We have lost that freedom and the Independence those 3% fought and established. We now have a full on dictatorship, and if I may, A King and his disciples called Congress regardless of who is “Voted In” the game and the players are the same. This ‘Kind-mentality’ runs through every aspect of the .gov, right down to the School-Board, Local & County .gov, even the Trash Collectors (try not separating and bagging your trash correctly or NOT recycling as REQUIRED in most cities).
We are at Level-9 my friends, we are at the point whereas the 3%ers are forming and waiting for the masses and the ‘system’ to collapse and it will without doubt.
Who are the 3%ers, I may suggest they are the ‘Wacko’ Survivalist, Preppers, Hermits, Lifestyle, Educated, people like you whom are reading this and learning the life of self-sufficiency, self-reliance, independency from the oppressive King and his henchmen.
This Country in general will fail, make no doubt about that my friends it is coming as designed, the Country is a Strong and Great Country, the .gov has managed, through many means, to weaken and stifle the people. We are well overdue for the collapse, be ready, the Country is divided and posed.
I often wonder if the people or the .gov will be the ones that fail. For the people are a lot stronger that I believe the .gov gives us credit for.
NRP
NRP
Unfortunately, TPTB are so selfish and greedy that they may take us all down if they lose their privilege. They now have the power to destroy the earth before we can stop them.
@ hermit us
That the problem with TPTB, they know they need the working class to sustain their lifestyles.
Basically we don’t work; we don’t pay taxes; they don’t collect $$$ and Pass Go to the Rich and Famous. Hence it’s a very fine line, until ‘they’ run out of other people’s money and the working class says enough is enough. Than the working class stops being the working class and that’s when it fails.
It’s not far off, I believe
NRP
NRP
I hope you enjoyed your book and are now ready to join Oldhomesteader and the rest of us in Galt’s Gulch.
Well said NRP.
NRP, I wonder what it is you think will fall? Oh do I wish it to fall? Yes! Failure of this slave master system in our United States would take leadership….and just who is going to lead this? S H I T! there just ain’t no body to do this….and no, this leader won’t magically appear when needed….so here we are stuck in the matrix of and created by our US Gov
Robert combat vet Nam, 1969….draftee….go in or go to jail orders…and that’s where we all are yet at!
@ Robert
I did not miss you’re post/comment; I’m going to write you an answer to a very VERY valid question and don’t want to just give a quick nada answer. I’ll probably write in the morning, and will post on last Saturdays ‘free-for-all.
NRP
@ NRP
Level 9 it is… or close to it.
In the not too distant future though, some will fail, some will prosper but many of us will simply perish into the pages of time. Not a whimper will be heard nor will those around us care. All of our life’s accumulations of the tools necessary to remain free will be scattered to the four winds by those left behind, either to old and weak to wield them, or to stupid to figure out how to use them or to scared to be seen carrying them. They too will perish. A couple of them I grieve for but most of them I do not. Maybe, in another epoch, far in the future we might come back to start the process all over again.
In the mean time, I have some one arm curls to do with some tequila and other ice cold refreshments. Just finished plowing most of my garden (over the last three days) with a broadfork and shovel in order to see what I’ve been missing all those years. Doing something in three days by hand that would take a couple hours by doing it with a tractor and roto-tiller. I must have taken a step backwards. Whew!! Now I gotta go cool off.
Sorry, I meant CrabbeNebulae… not Anymouse or Anonymous or mighty mouse.. Well, whatever.
@ CrabbeNebulae
Well said, the future is not ours for the living, it’s the now that is to behold. I may have 20 years left in my lifetime, tis a blink of an eye, so I prepare for the now, if that makes sense? I fear for those that have youngens coming into age whereas they will inherit the mess of things we will pass along to them.
Myself I still long for someone to step to the plate with the willingness to learn, to gain the knowledge of a lifetime of accomplishments, the gathering of the ‘tools’; I do not see this soul on the horizon. Unfortunately.
NRP
“Doing something in three days by hand that would take a couple hours by doing it with a tractor and roto-tiller. I must have taken a step backwards.”
Welcome to the Throwback Society…
We fought a war to get away from a ruling class.
We have allowed politicians to become a ruling class.
Do we still have 3% ers?
Tango
I represent 0.0000001% but I will answer the call. We just need to add a few more to our ranks.
And some heavy artillery.
The most effective heavy artillery these days is digital.
Count me in.
I just wanted to wish everybody a Happy 4th of July this morning before I go to work this afternoon. I believe part of keeping this nation strong is people showing up for work to include off-shifts and holidays. I am also reminded to be thankful to our forefathers and soldiers/sailors and airmen out there ensuring our continued safety and security.
@CaliRefugee
ditto and Thank you for being there when everyday stuff happens!
luv ya’ll, Beach’n
A question was posed, who would take the lead? I believe a lot of communities will set up their own little governments. We are pretty isolated here, and our population is old. Our grade school has 9 children. Yes we have a grade school that they keep trying to close. We also have a lot of retired mellowed military leaders and I believe would come together to help our community survive. 5 already came together when our subdivision was going over the top with some power hungry people who thought themselves king of this tiny area. The got them voted out, wrote great new bylaws and we have had peace for the past 9 years. So I think, here at least, and for a while we would be in good hands.
I agree that we are in level 8 and most people do not know it. Like the frog in the slowly heating pot of water, our situation worsens, but most are unaware.
My MIL thinks it’s okay to have email and phones monitored to catch bad guys, because she “has nothing to hide”.
Others think mandatory health care is okay because it is really a “right”, and they figure socialized medicine is okay for other countries so it must be the way to go here.
We know people who think there should be no guns at all, just the police, because guns are dangerous. These same people believe that our founding fathers gave us a right to bear arms because “things were different back then”.
As our rights continue to erode, most people fail to see the problems with that. They are in denial that this is serious, as they have all the “stuff” they could ever need. So, they measure success and happiness by possessions, and freedom never enters their thinking.
I see it only getting worse, just a question of when. And, it feels closer to the end every day.
If one stops to listen to the what is happening around them, we are at #8.
TPTB will not let go of the BO health care system, to let it die due to lack of financial support. There are to many whiners out their with the attitude YOU OWE ME!! Which pushes this nation towards bondage.
Someone asked where were the 3%. We are here on this site and many other sites on the internet. You will find the 3% are those who have been taught to WORK for what they have, not handed to them. As Modern Throwback & I were discussing, one needs to know their family heritage, so that it can be passed on to the next generation along with their knowledge/skills/work ethics.
This nation’s people have lost their roots to nationalism, social studies are no longer taught in schools. The Constitution, Bill of Rights, what the Senate or House of Representatives roll in limited .gov. GONE
Our roots are dying due to greed, lack of ethics, loss of family values.
We just finished raising a grandson, and to talk with him and some of his friends – scary as hell! They are 18, all headed to colleges around the country, but their attitude towards freedom, democracy and who will run this country down the road, really leaves me glad I am at the far end of the life cycle (75). They say they don’t know what they would do if the country was invaded….history says it has happened over and over in other countries; they couldn’t see themselves doing the military thing (I am retired military), and could care less about voting and all that political crap. I am not talking about guys coming from problem families or backgrounds; our grandson lost his parents, his buddies come from families that are really affluent, the buddies got cars at 16, ours still don’t have one – when he can buy it, insure it, then he will be in control! My take away from this is this younger generator is they could care less….and I would imagine going into colleges and its total liberalism, will do nothing to change things around. Happy 4th to all.
Thought this bet of history we were watching on the Smithsonian channel,fits into this discussion. Change the clothing, vehicles etc it is right up there with what is occurring in today’s America.
Americans living on 80% credit, no savings in the bank, Wall street booming-people BORROWING money to bet on the stock market.
The BORROW now-pay later attitude, luxury of printing more money. Then the roller coaster came down October 29, 1929, the years of getting high(imaginary wealth) just ended over night. Loss of billions of dollars-gone! The money lent by the banks were now calling in their margins, when the borrowers could not pay-collapse. The nation was also stock piled with unsold AUTOMOBILES 30%, & RETAIL GOODS.
As stated on the program…They had a wonderful time partying but a 10 year hangover for their indulgence.
Yes, I see similarities with the nation today.
hermit,
Count me in!
I am old, but I am a patriot!!
Tango
Who but the old lived the morals and ethics in what I call the good old days. We learned by work, hardship, war, family, proper education, … not something learned by the youth of today. Who but us old guys are bush wise and would pose a terrible threat to an enemy by sniping, evading, flanking, hiding, improvising, … welcome aboard – we are 0.0000002% now :).
I believe our country is a solid 7. I agree with “modern throwback” that things began unraveling with the takeover of our banking system by the Federal Reserve , followed by income tax .
We frogs have been boiling for over 100 years, 1 degree at a time and I think we are about cooked! A sad ending to a once great country . We mimic the Roman empire in many ways.
BLUESMAN
You can’t give up. We can all protest the demise of the country in our own ways – write to Congressman, stop buying crap but essentials, arm up, organize quietly, pay as little tax as possible, be as self-sufficient as possible, … we can reverse this corrupt system.
I am not giving up at all. I am looking at what I see as reality coming down the pathway.I do all of your suggestions except write to the congress people. I think that is a waste of time with my senators& representative .
America as we knew it is one catastrophe away from collapse. The current millennial generation and their parents are a narcissistic waste that may be “educated” but have no real skills, no fortitude nor any idea of the hurt licker they are opening up on themselves. Prepare to take care of yourself and your family and don’t worry about the sheep. The more sheep that are available means the wolves will not have to go far in searching for prey.
Mountain Man,
Our country has already collapsed, the wreck just hasn’t come rest yet. Two would be drivers have managed to rip the steering wheel off and are in the backseat fighting over it. Take a miracle to get this wreck under control.
@ Mountain Man
The parents of the Millennial’s were the Baby Boomers. And for the record, it wasn’t the Baby Boomer or the Millennial generations that squandered it all. It was the Greatest and The Silent Generations. Those before 1928 and from 1928-1945. Those are the generations that outlawed hemp, began the destruction of education, enabled and allowed the Federal Reserve Act, the 16th Amendment, 17th Amendment, Prohibition, Gun Control act of 1934, as well as many other tyrannical acts and laws, and also were the one’s who elected Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt (4 times – talk about gluttons for punishment!!), who literally destroyed America long before the Baby Boomers were even a gleam in their father’s eyes, much less the Millennial’s. Those were the years the foundations of destruction were firmly established. The Baby Boomers and the three subsequent generations simply inherited an already broken system along with all the brainwashing in the education system that occurred as a result of the previous generations egregious law making. I’m a Boomer. We were all set up, either knowingly or un-knowingly, by our forefathers, several generations prior. It’s hard enough to learn how to live in a chaotic world but it is even harder when you’ve been raised by parents who have also been brainwashed, who honestly believed the stuff they were teaching. Don’t blame the Boomers and the Millennial’s for their forefathers ignorance and misdeeds. There are many of both generations who have seen the light and who are actually trying to repair the damage, albeit slowly, one garden and one broken rule at a time. There are more Boomers and Millennial’s in the 3 %’s and subsequent generations than most realize. It’s the 97 %’s who are continuing to muck it up because they still believe all the BS they were taught in a broken system that was broken a century ago. Just saying.
Many of our forefathers grew their own food and were more self sufficient than the current generations but that was simply a necessity because large chain grocery stores had not been invented and things were easier to repair. Just because they lived on the bridge between the horse and buggy and the Ford Mustang, or the family garden and the big box grocery store doesn’t mean they were smart enough to see the schemes and cons that were shoved down their throat by their own generation any more than today’s generations can see it. Give the Boomers and Millennial’s a break.
I meant grand parents. The parents were Gen x. but my assertion stands.
My adult child is a Millennial, I’m a Boomer. I get confused sometimes as we both got a late start. There are no Gen X’s in my family.
“I think I am a prepper, I don’t think I’m a non-prepper.”
Same words, different punctuation, pointing out the differences in survival chances.
“I think, I am a prepper.” “I don’t think, I am a non-prepper.”
Punctuation saves lives!
Let’s eat grandma.
Let’s eat, grandma.
Ken: We are NOT a Democracy. A Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner. We were founded as a Constitutional Republic. Sadly, the fix was in from the beginning thanks to that Federalist traitor, Alexander Hamilton. The encroachment of the FEDGOV was decided first with Marbury vs. Madison, when SCOTUS stated they would decide what is constitutional. Congress should have tried them all for treason then and there. Read HOLOGRAM OF LIBERTY by Kenneth Royce.
Between the Elastic Clause and the Interstate Commerce Clause and subsequent SCOTUS rulings, we have been on the downhill sled to tyranny ans despotism ever since the War of Northern Aggression(1861-1865). And now, we are between #7 & #8. But, until there is a large “economic correction”, the clueless sheeple will enjoy their bread and circuses. Sad.
DWEEZIL
I know that Congress would not be able to decide what is Constitutional – just look at the inability to make any rational decisions now. Un-elected SCOTUS – what about the Electoral College? I need to study more.
DWEEZIL,
1st paragraph of article:
“How long will our Democracy Last? Although the United States is not a true democracy where simple majority rules, we are a republic with a strong lean towards democracy.”
Yes, I know that we are NOT a democracy.
I chose the title because a ‘democracy’ is how most people refer, and is also the basis for historical statistics of life-cycle – although the term is technically incorrect as it relates to the U.S.
HI ALL THE DAY IS ALMOST OVER SO I HAVE TIME TO JUMP IN
55 YEARS AGO IN HIGH SCHOOL SOCIAL STUDYS CLASS I GAVE A REPORT ON US GOVERNMENT AND LIKEND THE US AS GOING DOWN THE SAME PATH AS THE ROMAN EMPIRE ,NO I DIDN’T GET AN ‘a’GRADE IN FACT WAS GIVEN A SITDOWN , HOW IS IT THAT A KID CAN SEE IT COMING?BACK THEN
IN ATLAS SHRUGGED IT IS LAYED OUT CLEARLY WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN, AND HOW TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS COMING,
I believe most of the sheep will be lost , but some will come around and join the thoughtful ones ,and be part of the rebuilding ,we can be the leaders and teachers
Are you ready and willing to lead ? To teach ?
Those that have gone before us GAVE us knowledge the only way to repay that debt is give it back to those that are coming after us ,if not for the gift of knowledge we would be living a life fear in some cave
A time of trouble is no doubt coming ,what we are now seeing is just the start
8 Or 9
OH, the sheep are already lost, they either support the enslavement of all for some greater good that in reality is non existant, or have no idea they are already wearing the chains, they are useful idiots to the politicians and their appointed and hired thugs, the fact of the matter is that most people are so afraid of losing their status quo that they dont dare do anything to mess it up. Its sad that people have such a weak makeup that they will gladly go along to get along with those who are enslaving them rather than just standing up for all to see and refusing because they are afraid of losing everything.
Our country needs a come to Jesus moment and a fast reckoning to slap sense into everybody, above all people need to dismantle DC and these sh it hea d politicians whose rumps have grown far far too comfortable there. No more lifelong benefits, no more BS
We have been in #1, and always will be with continuous cycles through the spectrum by fringe movements as so outlined. To refer to Obamacare as an indication of dependency is an error, it was not demanded by the public but rather an agenda scheme to capture control by a power hungry elite. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that we are in dependency decline because of being a victim of a scheme. The prevailing sentiment of our citizenry is wildly enthusiastic about our Constitutional heritage and are adamant abut it’s preservation. DON’T MAKE ANY MISTAKE ABOUT THAT!!!
Old Chevy
Nearly 100 million sucking on the government teat is definitely dependency. EBT reaching 45 million with much corruption and waste. Obama phones sucking up about 10 billion a year and full of corruption. Medicade that was set up for the poor and people unable to work due to disabilities now with 40 million able bodied enrolled as a final hand grenade by Obama for the new administration. That is just a small list of the dependencies and just approximate numbers. We have to take away the free sh*t from the ones that do not deserve or need it – political suicide so it will not happen.
Understood.
I would rather die fighting with my last breath than live on my knees and compliant, im done supporting this BS
NailBanger; I agree, but, if I can say something, you or maybe all of us on this site just put a bulls eye on ourselves. WATCH YOUR SIX…NINE, TWELVE, and THREE.
BlackJack22
Perhaps the mysterious “they” would be picking on one of the toughest groups. Like taking on Oath Keepers, all Tea Party members, all of Rolling Thunder, NRA members, … what makes these targets so difficult is that they are decentralized and strongly independent. Also, they would be picking on groups with resources and not lined up for government handouts. If the “pajama boys” want to start the correction of our society using covert actions by Obama holdovers – bring it on.
I can see the story now
“Homeland Security Obama holdovers attack Vets and Active duty for trying to uphold the First and Second Amendments” Several government boys, girls, and trans agents down.
or
“Six farmers attacked by EPA agents for collecting their rain water” many more EPA staff now needed due to injuries”.
I jest but the iCE agents can’t even round up all the MS 13 gang members, and the members are even labeled.
” I do solemnly swear/affirm that I will protect and defend the Constitution of the U.S. from BOTH foreign and DOMESTIC.”
“I am an AMERICAN fighting in the forces that guard my country and my way of life and I will give up my life to protect it”.
BlackJack22
You know they will not come at the Constitution head on – they are slimy snakes that weaken it in subtle ways through bread and circus – throughout history it has always been the same way of enslaving the serfs.
And “they” are a large group, and are for the most part elected and residing in DC, the government no longer represents the people.
Have to share this piece on ZeroHedge, found here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-04/meanwhile-spotted-together-southampton-party
“David Koch was at a party with George Soros? Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, and Kellyanne Conway, too?… this snapshot from a party – tells a thousand words. Washington, D.C. is a carefully crafted stage play, designed to distract the American people from what goes on behind the scenes. If we fail to recognize that, we will never achieve substantial change.”
Wow… everyone should read that short but telling article – and the comments. More evidence of the tiny group of elites who run the world, party together, and plan together. Unfortunately only a few percent of us see it for what it is.
I don’t read much into this. Socialite heiress of Washington Post holds annual 4th of July party. Who’s Who list of wealthy and influential people attend. Doesn’t mean they are all tied at the hip. Also doesn’t mean they aren’t.
It’s secret meetings between acolytes that would concern me. I may be wrong about Trump, but I feel he has not much in common with Soros’s world view.
Lally Weymouth, aka Elizabeth Graham Weymouth, is the daughter of Phillip and Katharine Graham, previously the president & publisher (respectively) of The Washington Post. She is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations, the past senior editor at Newsweek.
Why were Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump there?
And why was Dina Powell, the US Deputy National Security Advisor, there? Oh wait! She was a managing director and partner at Goldman Sachs and president of their non-profit subsidiary, the Goldman Sachs Foundation.
Goldman Sachs? National Security? George Soros? Congressional members, the mainstream ‘media’, Spielberg?
Big money, political leaders, the ‘media’…looks like a representation of the truth behind controller-globalists to me.
Bread and Circus for the people while the elite play, posture, plot, and plan behind the curtains.
They ALL are just a greedy bunch of ego driven control freaks who could care less about the average people. I dont care about their money but i loathe them for their arrogance, and will do all i need to in order to stand against them
I realistically feel that our country’s geographical regions, are somewhere between 5-7. Most of the folks here areno where near these latter numbers. Just my subjective observations.
The Sheeple are freaking doomed.
So be it.
I think there are people/govs scattered all along the 1-8 levels, with most of them in the 6-8 area.
Back in the late 90s/early 2K, I attended some conferences where these steps were presented, and the speaker suggested if you asked this same question of the “man on the street” you’d probably get the answer “I don’t know and I don’t care”.
I guess the question is not so much where do you think we are, but what are we going to do about it (if anything)?
ka btaiye kon sa ham bhootkaal mein gye hai????
According to Google Translate (yes, I cheated) “To tell angles which we have been in the past”
Well Ken, looks like you really opened a can of worms with this one!!
I pretty much agree with everything everyone has commented on, especially NRP, that ole boy is pretty smart, however, I think the only way out of this big bad mess is when Jesus comes back for his flock!! Which I think will be soon, guess we will just have to take it one day at a time til then.
I think the war cycle needs to be factored in as well. 4 generations or roughly 80 years between.
It may end up being a civil war to stop socialism or a global event.
looks like the end has come, at least to this forum
Jax
Would love to hear YOUR opinion on the subject.