“There is an absolute train wreck, coming straight at us.”
The following are words excerpted from two recent comments by a MSB regular. I felt it deserved its own post:
by “Stand my Ground”
The whole of this economic situation has not manifested itself yet. Money and food scarcity has not really hit the general public, yet.
But, it will, and sooner than expected. I know for a fact, this is so. I have talked to the Reps I know who are field mangers and plant managers, in Wash, Id, Ore and Montana.
There is a real shortage, right now. Food, frozen, dairy or canned, on the shelves right now, was not supposed to leave the warehouses until Oct. They will be out of inventory by the end of June. Depending on the 2020 harvest to resupply the shelves and warehouses. That’s a big “IF.”
These sheeple will panic, big time, when there is very little to buy. Plus, with hyper inflation looking us straight in the face, money won’t go as far as it has in the past.
These lock downs, have already ruined countless businesses, they ain’t comin back.
Bankruptcies will be off the charts. That’s just the start. Student loans 1.7 trillion, car debt 1.9 trillion, Credit card debt 2.1 trillion, Personal mortgage debt 1.6 trillion, this debt is gonna come to default. How many lending institutions fail, is anyone guess, but, it’s gonna be quite a lot.
People are gonna die over this Gov’t shut down and ruining of the economy, a lot of people. There are not enough LEOs to handle even a fraction of a percent to the trouble, that’s gonna flow like water in a stream.
This ain’t over in a month, or even a year. This recovery, if you want to call it that, will take decades. We are not a nation like we were in the 20″s and 30’s. We are weak, divided, fat, lazy, and the corruption and graft is uncounted for. We will fail as a country. USA will cease to exist.
What comes next out of all this trauma? I do not know, but, it will not be the good old days, we are use to.
Tyrannical Mandates and Orders
How weak we are as people. Willing to accept, treasonous orders, with out a single complaint. “SHEEPLE”. Being trained to OBEY. Maybe not so much here on MSB, but the public in general.
The un-willingness, to stand up against Tyranny, afraid to be that “NAIL sticking up”. The Freedoms lost, will not be given back, without force from the people. The jack booted force of Gov’t, thrashing our Constitution, is just started. This tyranny is not over, by a long shot.
The tyrannical mandates and orders being made by mostly Democrat governors across the country is a disgusting display of fascism, Sedition and out right Tyranny. Their mandates violate the Constitution, but are being enforced by their police state thugs. Freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, and 2nd, 4th, 8th,Amendment rights are being shut-down
The old rule-book isn’t and wasn’t going to work, either. We are way outside the boundaries of yesterday’s normal now — and so playing by yesterday’s rules is never a good winning tactical position. And yet…that’s exactly what the American government did. FUBAR!
The Gov’t over reacted, Two states, have 46% of the confirmed cases and more than half the deaths, but make up only 9% of the nation’s population. That means in the other 48 states less than 0.1% of their population has a confirmed case. And for that our so-called leaders shut down the country and purposely manufactured a 2nd Great Depression.
This mess, is not gonna be solved, by throwing money at it, like candy at a parade. Gov’t is so corrupt, that the majority of this money, will NEVER reach the people who would really benefit, it’s just gonna make the rich, richer, screw us. The ruling class has violated every moral and ethical code known to man, and will continue to do so until they are stopped. Just look at what the Democrats want in the “NEXT” bill.
Over the past few days, I’ve been reading the major plans for what comes after social distancing. You can read them, too. There’s one from the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute, the left-leaning Center for American Progress, Harvard University’s Safra Center for Ethics, and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Romer. They are not good.
We are watching how an economy dies, my friends, in real time. And when an economy dies, a healthy, sane, civilized society goes with it. Is that America’s future? Isn’t that already America’s present situation? I’ll leave that part to you to judge.
I, along with many other like minded people in this country, and here on MSB, have been stoically living a common sense, prepper life style, prudently managing our affairs, working and saving, not being lured into worthless debt, preparing for the challenges we saw ahead, and viewing everything spewed by politicians or media talking heads as nothing but horse sh-t.
I’m not willing to sacrifice my liberty and freedoms for the safety and security of Government. This farce has gone on for far too long. Once we surrender our liberty, it can never be recovered.
At some point in the near future a few heroes will summon the courage to push back and ignite the patriotic spirit that founded this country – liberty or death. Which will you choose?
Benjamin Franklin once said: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
~ Stand my Ground
I agree things will be really tough for a while. But I am hoping that good ‘ole American ingenuity will prevail. I do think many businesses will come back. Even in our tiny town people are bemoaning the loss of the restaurants and can’t wait to get back into them. We support local businesses over the big box stores here also. Like SMG, my biggest concern is the loss of our freedoms and the over reach of government. That needs to be called out!
I’m almost terrified what the left will now put in the next bill. This is your ‘top down bottom up’ strategy. Collapse. I think the economic collapse is destined to be global at this point. Try to get out of debt as much as possible. I think it might be brutal this summer.
American ingenuity cannot fill the produce gap. I have been freeze drying for years and have gardens planted and still may be a bit short. I am thinking that seed sprouts will fill any shortage I may experience. We will all get through this, but there will be violence. It is what is coming in the future that will make this look microscopic. Although we are prepared, I am caching it all because when food shortages hit, big mommy government will be forced into mandatory redistribution of supposed “food hoards” and those that prepared will be labeled evil and selfish.
LAILE: I STILL HAVE MY food rationing cards from World War 2. don’t think that it cannot happen here.
A country divided cannot stand as has been shown throughout history. May God help us.
Well commenting on your comment. I woke up about two weeks ago in the morning to go to work. Thank you Lord I am still working. Anyway as I woke up there was an old high school day’s song (early 80’s) humming in my mind, as soon as I rose from my bed, I then made my coffee and off to work. On my drive, the song began hmmm in my mind again. I said, Lord why is this song on my mind, I felt the Lord impress on me. “What is the name of the song.” The name of the song is Cruel Summer. We will know soon enough.
People in this nation have had it so good, for so long, “compared to past generations” I shutter to think what insane tyrannical form of government they will support when it does get bad. There are Bernie supporters, “who were counting on him to pay off their student loans and take care of them” freaking out at this moment. I’m already seeing an increase in crime and people completely losing their minds it in my community. Our mental health service is already a joke in this nation, “just watch it explode” when basic needs are not being met. Basic laws of economics are now completely gone, $24 trillion in dept, small business’s failing at unprecedented numbers and our food chain being dismantled in front of our eyes. Yup, “we are seeing the beginning of a catastrophic storm” heading straight for us. Now is the time to keep up with your preps and make wise prepping decisions.
Best case scenario will be that when the restraints that have been instituted are removed, it will be like a military convoy.
Ever been in a convoy? The lead vehicle might travel at a constant speed, but all the others will be either speeding to catch up, or waiting to start. Once everyone gets moving, the whole thing looks like an accordion, fast, slow, stopped, catching up.
Most probable case? Different vehicles break down, stop running in a bottleneck, others back up behind them, unable to proceed. The whole convoy must stop and restart.
Worst case? The lead vehicle breaks down, no one else knows the route, nothing moves until it’s fixed.
Solution? Maybe the prepper knows best. You know the route to where you want to be. You have the gear and equipment to accomplish your goals. You are independent minded. So you break out of the convoy, follow your own route and instincts, and leave the others to mindlessly wait for further instructions.
Yep, there are dark skies rolling in, we’ve survived the first squalls, the real storm is yet to come. Hopefully, you have the stuff needed to strike out on your own, refusing to sit still until the convoy gets strafed.
On the upbeat……..beautiful sunrise this morning on the mountain. Going to be a pretty day. Believe I will do my best not to mess it up. Y’all have a good one.
great analogy Dennis.
Dennis, I agree with what you said especially the solution, we all have to hold on to that part.
Man on foot, I am a man of the world. I know hunger. I know sickness. I have seen death and been close to it myself. What I’m saying is nothing surprises me very much. The fact is this is only phase one of the coming apocalypse. I don’t forget to trust God, clean house, and help others. No one knows how bad this will actually get. I prepare the best I can. I can’t win against overwhelming odds.I plan to evade and detect the enemies weakness.
I have to start by recognizing the things I can’t change in order to find the courage to change the things I can. I pray daily for the wisdom to know the difference.
Man on foot
Very well said. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst and take it one day at a time.
AMEN
Agreed. This is just a warm up for the coming unimaginable events. I trust His word and do not trust the word of any government. I wonder who the mystery Babylon is. Hmmmm….
mystery babylon is new york city excuse my spelling
Indeed!
Amen!!!!
It’s been coming for a long time, propped up by every tactic TPTB can pull out of their hats. If the livestock realize they aren’t being protected any more, they’ll head for the barn doors. So tear slats from the walls to block the doors and hope the sheep are stupid enough not to notice the building coming down around them.
All we can do is what we can do. I pay utilities ahead when possible, house taxes are paid a year in advance, and I’m working on using all the water that falls on the yard. I’ve been working on breeding more drought tolerant varieties of the foods we normally eat, and seasonings are in train.
Hopefully I can help others survive as well.
Hey – ‘StandMyGround’ !
When I read your words, it was as if I had wrote it.
You nailed it !
Indeed, we have become a Nation of Sheep, and are being herded accordingly.
“They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind.”
What bothers me most, is what Revelations has warned us of.
When a ‘Super Patriot’ arises, to rally the Patriots, beware of the ‘Antichrist’.
Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition.
Easier said than done. The deep state has won.
Yeah – only when ya give up. NEVER QUIT – NEVER SURRENDER. It’s better to die on one’s feet than live on one’s knees.
Our Secretary of Agriculture said yesterday that we should not worry, that the reason for the empty shelves is that it takes a little time for producers to repackage food for consumers instead of for schools & restaurants. But I am seeing that the food is not being repackaged; it is being dumped or plowed under or left to rot in the fields.
There is another aspect of the financial collapse. I have a friend whose mother died a few years ago and left over a million dollars in the stock of one bank — a bank that gets its income from consumer and business loans. I tried and tried to get her to sell some of the stock and diversify, but she didn’t want to pay the taxes. So she kept the stock and quit her job, intending to live on the dividends. Now that stock is worth less than half what is was. Sooner or later it will reduce or stop dividends altogether and the price will go down further. She isn’t old enough for Social Security yet.
There must be lots of people living on dividends or Social Security and when inflation hits — and it will — soon — those people will starve.
thats why i have been stocking up on EVERYTHING i can food water ways to filter and purify water blades of all shapes and sizes and all the shotgun shells and ammo and IF we ever get this 1200 bucks EVERY DIME is going for survival stuff
Money well spent!
Yep, even after the food rationing was put into place by the major grocery chains, they still seem to be only around half stocked around my area…..Some items are still next to impossible to find…..For example, I’m still having a hard time finding canned veggies, canned beans, and canned meats…..That lines up with the article in that the suppliers are out of stock or close to it…I don’t care what they say, I believe there is a supply chain breakdown of sorts that will only get worse……This is a good time to support your local farmers, or become your own farmer………
Yep, Daisy,
Some stock companies have taken away or reduced dividends until they recover. It’s their loans that may be defaulted and when a crisis happens, money is drawn out more than is put in, so bank stocks aren’t so good right now. My DD’s boyfriend invests people’s money at the bank he works at, but I make more on my investments using a trading platform, trading stocks myself than he does on their investments (percentage wise).
When I read this articles when the author says I spoke to so and so, and he said this was gonna happen etc, makes me disregard what he is saying. If they say I spoke to John Doe, distribution manager for Whatever company, and he said this, then maybe I could believe him.
JF:
Ever hear of OPSEC?
Hence you use JF and not your real name, SS#,Address and so forth.
Believe what you wish.
PS: My Not Really Prepare & Blue my Democratic Dog
NRP & Blue
Thank you
I for one will not give up my sources when I have given them my word.
Especially our contacts inside the food business, enough said!
Just got today’s paper. Town council is reducing our police force from 6 to 5. Loss of sales tax revenue.
Also in our paper today; Briess Malt and Ingredients Co is asking our local farmers to plant only 50% as much barley as usual and find something else to plant on the rest of their property because they expect to need only 50% of their usual order.
it far to late for many to start learning prepping but i guess now would better than later
Only God knows the future, so stop whining and just hunker down. Newsweek is reporting that the Feds have activated a special military force to protect the Government and even possibly move the President to another secure location. Preppers/Libertarians/ Conservatives are getting “worked up” over things and the Left would love to see some nut-jobs start shooting so they can use it as an excuse to come down hard and really end our Republic. The Commie goal is to split up the U.S. into 5-6 small countries.
Enough said, start the hate mail.
Many preppers/Libertarians?conservatives are keeping their heads even with heavy hearts. I believe SMART will prevail. Peace.
that’s Pioneer Woman
Let’s hope so
Nathan James,
I don’t doubt anything you just said, but would make some observations of my own.
Newsweek is a hardcore left outlet. Their editors will lock in on any story, no matter how factually true it is….or not, that puts folks like us (gun totin’, Bible believing, deplorables) in a bad light.
The Pentagon is full of planners that have no other mission but to make plans to respond to every possible scenario. Most times, these elaborate plans go into a file, never to be activated. Some end up as “war games”, or training missions such as “Jade Helm”. The “special military force” you speak of is most probably one of those plans that have been dusted off and put into motion. I’m guessing that Newsweek adding the speculation for why it’s being activated (mean ol’ right-winger nut-jobs) is intended only to bolster the narrative.
As far as right wing folks getting all worked up and causing trouble, my question is why? Everyone I know is a heck of a lot more level headed and even tempered than to do something violent or stupid. Nothing I’ve seen so far in this recent unpleasantness has come anywhere close to setting off a violent response from them.
If anything, I would be expecting violence from the left leaners. Contrary to what the media reports and indoctrinates, lefties resort to violence much more often, multiple times over.
I was much more concerned when, early on, a command cadre was sequestered into Cheyenne Mountain. This action told me that this was a hell of a lot more serious than just a virus. I’m still waiting for the truth to be revealed. Whatever that truth is……….it ain’t good…and we ain’t seen nothing yet.
If you see this post as hate, well, I would have to believe you were intending to stir hate up. That would be sad.
Dennis, I am a gun tote’n, Bible believer myself. But as you know, sites like this are filled with all sorts of weirdo conspiracy theories and Trolls . Yes, the Left is much more prone to violence, ( in the past), but ask yourself this question, What would Pelosi , Schumer , and others do if there was a Right led revolt against the Flu restrictions in place. My answer is that they would , ” Fundamentally Transform” our Republic into a Socialist State(s) , ” To keep the Peace “. Have you never heard of ” Agent Provocateur’s?”. All through It’s history Communists have used seemingly innocent folks to provoke the Right to over react and get people on their side. Folks need to calm down, and not let the Kooks set the agenda! Is that so bad?
Please tell me more about these weirdo conspiracy theories and Trolls.
Pinky, nice try. I recommend SHTF Plan for a starter.
Nope, you figure it out all by yourself.
Dennis, perhaps the move into Cheyenne Mountain was not because of this virus? Something else perhaps?
DJ5280,
Don’t know the motive…….yet. They do a regular rotation of “faux command and control”, continually, year in and year out, mainly to ensure all communications and control are kept up to speed. Normally, these are lower level personnel, going through the motions. The stated reason is constant vigilance for nuclear attack and response. My understanding is that this last rotation was the real deal (top level brass and personnel). Could be practice…….but practice is what they do year in and year out.
My personal opinion means nothing, but if guessing? I would guess that intel is pointing towards a hell of a lot more than the virus threat in China’s plans. (anyone catch the reports that China is violating, as we speak, the nuclear non-proliferation and testing treaties?) (reportedly low yield, tactical type nukes)
Wouldn’t a targeted HEMP or computer hacking blackout be a suitable companion to create chaos while dealing with the virus? Wouldn’t a populace already conditioned to obey instructions from on high be easier to manage if……………? Having command and control apparatus already in place?
Oh well. All this thinking is making me hungry.
– Dennis,
When they run the Command and Control exercises, a lot of times they are just ‘one step above’ a paper exercise. However, you have to run them with ‘Basically the real Deal’ every once in a while, or they turn into a clusterF*/# that hasn’t got any teeth, and no one knows what is supposed to be going on. Having a real problem like a pandemic helps get people on the page and paying attention to what they are supposed to be doing/learning. So, not surprised they decided to make use of the situation. Could it turn into the real deal? Sure, it could. Other ‘War Games’ have turned into the real thing at lower levels. Does it happen often? Nope. And no, I will not discuss that last.
– Papa S.
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Remember Mel Gibso in The Patriot? He had seen death and violence up close and personal in the French and Indian war. He didn’t break out his armament until the British had violated his space and killed a member of his family. I say we let them fire the first shots. Then, it’s on THEM! and it’s most definitely on!
Gosh, where to start.
Agree hard, unpleasant times are here and will be for a while. Harder for some than others, for all sorts of reasons. Panic and hysteria seem to rule the day. Normal, of course, in the face of so many unknowns. What can each of us do about these times? Not much. Food shortages will be largely weather-driven, although exacerbated by current medical events and economic conditions. We prep as best we can for ourselves and loved ones. Can’t control the weather. Can’t make any individual impact on the global economic downturn. But POTUS can and we’ve got an election coming up.
“I’m not willing to sacrifice my liberty and freedoms for the safety and security of Government.” Ambiguous much? What specific freedoms? In what ways? Want to gather for whatever reason with hundreds of others in the midst of a pandemic? Fine. Lock the gates for 30 days when you do. Whoever is left alive will be infection-free.
This is not the flu, nor a cold. Fallacy of logic number one – A cold is caused by a virus therefore all viruses cause only colds. With the flu a person is infectious when they are symptomatic. We know without being told that we should stay away from others when we “feel sick”, though some insist on exercising their liberty regardless of the risk to others. With SARS-CoV-2 “feeling fine” is no indication of being either virus-free or noninfectious. Normalcy bias, anyone? Most folks killed so far or badly damaged by this virus have had underlying comorbidities, though it now appears that this virus can have some awful impacts on relatively healthy people. How many of us are walking around with undetected cancer, diabetes, heart disease, or hypertension? Dying to find out it’s you? All it might take is someone who is careless with their health (and everyone else’s) but who feels fine (so that’s okay) breathing next to you for a moment.
It’s a terrible situation; and requires difficult decisions. Yes, POTUS crashed the air transportation and tourism industries here and around the world. But prior to that Wuhan’s medical infrastructure was overwhelmed. Since then, because they would not take similar precautions to try to keep transmission rates slow, Italy’s similarly failed, with awful results. Disrupt a year’s education and crash local economies or risk unmeetable demand for medical services and subsequent morbidity/mortality? Did some mayors and governors go too far? Without a doubt. Have adjustments to social distancing recommendations failed to keep pace with new data? Again, without a doubt.
Folks have been banging the drum of inevitable economic collapse for a while now. Don’t like it now that it’s here? Too bad. You called it. And it came, just not in the form expected. This is worldwide; almost everybody hurts.
For a decent take on current economic predictions take a look at this centrist Brookings Institute article:
brookings.edu/blog/future-development/2020/04/14/the-world-economy-in-2020-the-imf-gets-it-mostly-right/amp/
The right of center The Heritage Foundation also has a group dedicated to recovering from this mess.
heritage.org/press/national-coronavirus-recovery-commission-announces-five-phase-plan-reopening-america
Only silver lining I see is that the shock of reality will help us better live our preparedness lifestyle, just in case this isn’t as bad as it gets in our lifetimes.
I am far from being any sort of mental giant, and I do not know any special people, but as I have stated my opinion before ‘They’ are not going to let the economy falter too far. Way to many materialist in charge and Trump is not going to let this happen on his watch. He wants to be Pres again. They will sacrifice some humans to go forward, they will lie about the real deaths that come afterward. Usually there is a factor which we are given to focus on so we do not see the under lying reality, the economy and FOOD. Food is the most controlling factor in our lives.
My view is the vaccines. Very dangerous to our health in many ways. The preservative is aluminum They want to make us immune to glyphosate, Roundup. Small doses could perhaps do that. So you get the vaccine or you do not buy nor sell. Of course what would we do lifestyle or no, we must at some point purchase. They are on the fast trac too. Mistakes, you bet. More money in their pocket, you bet. This is just one of my views.
I ask you, WHEN in our life time, have we ever seen the government and the other HEALTH entities move so FAST? Never. Why?
Why? they want you in Pain and in misery., and while you are seeking relief from something they cause- they want all of your money!.
..Aluminum, formaldehyde,glyphosate /roundup,mercury are ALL nerve poisons. in almost every vaccine… it is not normally excreted. Nerve damage is progressive.It is CONTINUAL PAIN. No relief..
….. “sure go ahead , everyone have some is the big pharma’s information.. it won’t hurt you and will protect you” They want you in pain so they can control what is left of the rest of your life. They will make money from you getting a vac cin ne , and then they will make money off of your misery… Try living with someone in continual pain. Try on never having any peace your own self…
“I see the train a’comin’,
It’s ‘comin ’round the bend,
And I won’t be seein’ sunshine
‘Till God knows when’.
Been stuck inside this prison,
And time keeps draggin’ on,
I’m losin’ all my freedoms,
Goin’ to Hell and gone.
Sing it, boys !
Every garden needs to be weeded or the weeds will overtake the plants producing food. America has been long overdo for a good weeding and hopefully when this is over the weeds will have been pulled and the productive plants will once again thrive.
the Demoweeds?
R.C.
Good analogy. There are definitely more weeds than wheat in this country, especially in our government right now.
Makes one wonder now why the Federal Gov let states make their own laws about marijuana, it is however still a Federal crime! That said is this what constitutes as a “zombie”?
blucatmatt,
Our brilliant Founders designed it so the States were not subjects to the Federal Government. The 10th Amendment to The US Constitution says;
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
So, as the Founders saw it, the real question you should be asking is; “Why is there a federal law against the use of marijuana”?
Now, I am not an advocate of the use of marijuana and highly discourage anyone who is not an adult, using marijuana. That being said, Federal Laws are the ones that are out of control if you use the Constitution as your guideline.
Hope this helps.
The question should be who owns your body and property: You do. Who has a right to decide what you do with your own body and property: You do. This answers the question of why all drug laws violate fundamental freedom and why all people enforcing drug laws are criminals. Us conservatives need to wake up to the fact that cops enforcing liberal laws are not the good guys. Government should not be threatening us with violence and deciding how we live our lives. Your body belongs to you, God, your parents, your spouse and your kids. Your body does not belong to the government.
I’m very confused as to if you are conservative or liberal. You say us conservatives implying your conservative but then you go on to give a liberal point of view…
There was zero liberal viewpoint in there. Too often conservatives see some behavior they dislike like smoking, drinking, pornography, gambling, drugs or etc and they support empowering government to take that choice away from the individual setting the precedent that you don’t own your own body and you don’t have a right to do with your own property as you see fit. This means that instead of people deciding to live their lives according to God and Family values, government will be telling you what you can and can not do to and with your own body. It only helps liberals who will use that principle to force their agenda on us through laws, judges and bureaucrats.
The aim of conservatism is not to force our morality on others but be free from others telling us how to live our lives. The war on drugs only exacerbates government power and destroys individual freedom.
You are confused. Liberals don’t want the war on drugs. Liberals don’t want the government to control your bodies, etc. Conservatives are keeping marijuana illegal. Conservatives want to make abortion illegal. Conservatives keep trying to push the Christian agenda into politics. Funny enough I left the Republican Party because I had your exact viewpoint. They say they want low government oversight but that’s not true at all. Why else would liberal state’s have legalized marijuana before conservative states? You can say your a conservative but honestly your view is way more liberal than me. I lean independent myself but you are about as liberal as it comes.
It’s a libertarian view, completely the opposite of a liberal view. Libertarians want control of their own lives and liberals want government control of all lives. We hope conservatives adopt libertarian principles otherwise we will always be controlled by big government bureaucracy. We see it with cops arresting people for having family and friends over on their private property during coronavirus. Sure social distancing is ideal but freedom of association and freedom of assembly is a supreme right of people just like free speech. Conservatives say they don’t like big government but they blindly support enforcers of big government, the cops. It’s illogical.
Still, conservatives and republicans will always be preferable to what the liberals and democrats currently want. Conservatives want less bureaucracy, lower taxes, less government programs and conservative judges who are right 60% of the time instead of liberal judges who are much worse. Conservatives are more supportive of free speech and the right to bear arms while liberals want to make speech a hate crime and want gun confiscation and gun control. Liberals believe in spying and intervening in foreign conflicts in the Middle East more than conservatives.
Libertarian Conservatives have been at the forefront of pushing for marijuana decriminalization and ending civil asset forfeiture. Liberals want marijuana because they think people being high is cool. Conservative libertarians want marijuana decriminalized because we don’t want government telling us what we can and can not do to our own bodies. Liberals are the biggest supporters of soda bans, meat bans and fur bans so they don’t believe in personal freedom.
Mindhunter
“Why else would liberal state’s have legalized marijuana before conservative states?”
The answer is simple!
You keep the sheep stoned and drunk so they will not resist the Socialist elitist plan to change America forever. Hell, you will even hand over your guns for a bag a weed or your next heroine fix.
I am a Constitutional Conservative and find nothing in the Constitution that say you can kill the unborn. No where in the Constitution does it prohibit the regulation of Marijuana and other drugs.
bluecatmatt, Red Dog Master,
I hesitate getting into these discussions, mainly because it’s a complicated subject. Much of the powers the federal government has accumulated comes from the Interstate Commerce laws and Supreme Court rulings on it’s constitutionality. Also from federal authority to tax. Many federal “laws” are not “laws” at all, they are “regulations” and “taxing authority”, carrying fines and penalties enforced by civil, not criminal courts.
Federal Gun Laws? No such thing really, as long as you pay the federal taxes on the specific weapon and are issued the “tax stamp” showing you paid said tax. Problem is, they are not required to issue that tax stamp. Same with alcohol, tobacco…and said firearms (does that last sentence ring a bell)
That taxing authority is joined at the hip with the Interstate Commerce laws. Some recent challenges to “federal gun laws” have been successful by questioning the federal authority to regulate/tax weapons that are manufactured and sold in a state without ever leaving the state. Courts are ruling that is a valid constitutional argument.
Marijuana is also regulated through Interstate Commerce and taxing authority. Possessing marijuana is not a violation of any federal law as long as you have the right tax stamps (which are never issued) and isn’t sold across state lines. I’m guessing that the feds don’t wish to attempt prosecutions in states that have legalized it, for fear of adverse (to them) court rulings similar to those handed down on guns and state’s rights.
I’m not a legal scholar, but the above was assimilated from years of police work, continuing peace officer education, and enforcement. Like I said, complicated. I will stand corrected if someone has a better explanation.
Marajuiana? Haha!
It strikes me, that in the process of being in a protracted unfolding food shortage, being a pot head with the munchies is a less than intelligent goal… Lol
Dope smokers are numbnuts,
Period.
If someone smokes dope they are impaired
This is going to be a cluster fork,,,,
Pretty much everything run by government employees is a mess either through bureaucracy or ineptitude.
This will be no different. Already seeing squabbling breaking out between the various factions, it is inevitable, just look at the last 3+ years of infighting and outright BS.
Locally it is shaping up to be a nightmare, not necessarily for myself or family, but for the vast majority of local families, it sucks, but then again, this is what and who many here voted for, so enjoy the fruits of your decisions.
I just thank the lord that we are taken care of.
Blessings to all of you, and use the intuition, abilities and good sense the Lord gave you, it will be our saving grace, and for those not blessed by this their ultimate unwinding.
Aloha
Breaking out the popcorn and Bourbon for this one, gonna site back and watch the freak show.
The sheeple of the US are nothing more than pawns in this sick twisted game they will become dangerous. Many eyes watching all the time.
The trouble makers on the left will become cannon fodder that is all they are good fore anyhow. They will be smacked down by the sheeple when they start destroying their favorite coffee shops, stores and blocking trffic.
When it is time to rage against the machine you will know for sure…
I personally can’t wait for the sheeple to go belly up…. I am going to take full advantage on their lack of preparedness, financial insolvency and all around ignorance.
I can’t wait for all of fire sales for used or bank owned equipment and real estate.
One’s loss is another’s gain.
It is better to be the Butcher than the Cattle.
We are overdue for a recession. Technically should have started a year and a half ago as the indicators were all there.
Not sure how we made it this long. I think the luck has run out. I dont believe it will be famine or widespread blight. I do think there will be discomfort for many. I do believe this will hollow out a little more of the middle class.
I do believe this will cause disruption to our current “norms”. Discretionary spending will take a beating. Anyone working in discretionary spending industries will probably be hurting until they find a new career.
Remember that anything we feel in the US will be more painful elsewhere.
Well, as anybody who has been reading here for any amount of times knows, Ken has often talked of the economic “bubble” and when it goes POP! how bad it’ll be. Well get ready, because the bubble is about to pop in a big way. This virus, like all of them, will pass; but what will be left when it does? If the food shortages that are being predicted come to be, what will become of the cities, the soft bellied people in the ‘burbs who believe Bloomberg about farming? What will be the new “learn to code”? It will be learn to grow, or perish, and starvation is steep penalty for failure. I can’t see a way the current US comes out of this whole, why would folks in the “breadbasket” give two craps if people in NYFC starve? The contempt the coastal elites have heaped on “flyover country” may be about to be returned, in spades. I surely hope not, but I believe it more likely than not.
I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but we all need to be growing as much food as we can. I live in a subdivision, but have a pretty big backyard. I’ve expanded my raised beds and am looking for more ways I can grow any kind of vegetables. I am going to try once again to reason with my husband about getting some chickens. I’m trying to be proactive to keep myself sane with all that is going on. Prayers that we have more time to get more done.
This is very pessimistic and exaggerated thinking regarding the economy. Unlike in the past the government is very accommodating with the stimulus checks and extended unemployment benefits. People have money in their accounts now less than a month since the total shutdown. They have money to pay their bills. There is the PPP with forgivable loans as well. There might be another tranche of stimulus checks depending on how long this lasts. The fed is being very helpful with lending guaranteeing liquidity in various bond, commercial paper and mortgage markets. As long as people have support to tide them over things will be ok.
Mortgages and auto loans are collateralized and home prices aren’t in a bubble like in 2008. Banks are being very generous with forbearance and deferment programs. Banks are twice as well capitalized in 2008have higher lending standards and had adequate loan loss reserves which they magnified this week as seen with all the bank earnings.
Some industries like travel, restaurants and venues will have tough times and how much depends on how quickly things open up outside of NYC. Obviously NYC is a different boat with the city and state failing to close to subway. Coronavirus really is a big city virus given the greater spread in vertical cities. That’s one of the reasons conservatives, independents, libertarians and christians frown on the big cities because big cities are breeding grounds for a lot of the problems and conditions that would make a virus spread. It doesn’t help that NYC and NYS focuses more on providing benefits to illegals instead of focusing on providing good hospital care and support for legitimate citizens and tourists.
Jackson Aimson: If it were true and correct( it is neither by the way) that
New York favored illegals for medical treatment the
ensuing political shit storm would be monumental and
epic.
Trolls usually get their information at Flat Earth Society
meetings.
That’s not what was said at all. The New York City and State government are constantly focused on providing benefits to illegals which puts a burden on support systems for legitimate citizens. Our hospitals and infrastructure would not be overtaxed if NY didn’t aid and abet illegal immigration. There would be more money available to benefit legitimate citizens of the State. Stop trying to push denialist propaganda when the world sees the dangers of open borders and strain on resources. Maybe if France and Spain didn’t have as many economic migrants it would have been able to curtail the spread of Coronavirus. NHS is in no better shape.
Or from RT, Ron Paul, and ZH, just say’n
The one thing we have going for us is that the U.S. is a net exporter of food. So, if everything goes to Sh@t then our biggest problem will not be food per say. For the rest of the world though who are net importers of food it could result in regional conflicts. American spend the smallest percentage at just over 6% of their income on food when compared to other countries. Some third world countries it’s over 40% of income is spent on food.
That’s why this makes me think Ken is lying about who he talked to.. I have heard from warehouses that they are plenty full but there is a distribution problem at the moment. Plus this hyperinflation talk is just hilarious. Have you not seen all the price you gets facing Fines and prison time? Have you not seen grocery stores filling back up? Where I live they are back to normal stock on almost everything. It’s funny how this site thinks that every city dweller is just one meal away from a revolution.
Mindhunter,
Please be more specific as to why you think Ken is lying?
How do we know that you are not lying?
What fines and prison time are you talking about?
Just curious, thanks
Mindhunter
Hey, asshole, I’m Stand my Ground, I wrote those article, NOT KEN. So, your calling me a Liar.?
I’ve been in this business for 45yrs. My sources are impeccable. Due to market and weather conditions, 2019 crop was below average. Demand exceeded expectations.
My sources are planning on planting 15% more acreage in-order to have a stable warehouse inventory.
Take you bullsh-t some where else.
Stand my Ground,
You might be right on the stable warehouse inventory, but that might only apply if we continue to export our surplus in a time crises. If we had to stop exporting our food than we would be able to feed Americans without any problem. The rest of the world who depends on our food exports would suffer and starve. I don’t think anyone is lying personally, it will just come down to “America first”!!
According to the USDA the U.S. exports over 20 percent of the food we produce. If we had to stop export of food, that might just reduce the need for producer to increase acreage production by 15%. The good thing is we as Americans have some contraction room concerning food production. Other parts of the world not so much.
Stop selling food to China for starters.
Stand My Ground,
Woohoo!!! Way to go after the troll!!
Been a very bad day and you just put the first smile on my face all day!
Thanks for the great article and the great response to the wanker who did the drive by.
Have a good night my friend.
PEACE to all
MadFab
Stand my ground can you cut out the language? Haha you sound like an angry 12 year old. At the very top it said by ken, I missed the credit at the bottom. But yeah I have heard a much different picture than you. We had producers dumping milk here because they had an oversupply. Beef and a couple other minor things are the only likely affected items. Food warehouses in this country usually have 3-6 months of supply for grocery stores. The issue was that people started buying more than usual and this stressed out stores inventory. There aren’t enough trucks to deliver from warehouses so the stores still are resupplying. Warehouses are fine. I’m not saying that every single item in the stores will be available because hostess can only make so many twinkies etc. but there is no shortage of food in general. Plenty for people to survive, they just need to adapt.
This article is fear mongering. You have such a disconnect with the real world probably because of the terrible news sources and people you surround yourself with. Throughout this crisis, I see more people helping than trying to cut others down.
I have never met a bigger bunch of snowflakes.
Mindhunter
Your whole argument is to try and get a negative response from me.
You did that once, not gonna happen twice.
I’ve seen your kind, provocateurs, cowardly snitches, all hat and no cows.
I don’t know where you get your info from, mine comes from Tyson Foods, Green Giant, Twin City Foods, Columbia Bean, Northwest Grain Growers, Darigold and others.
I’ll trust my sources, who have been in this business for decades. I’m pretty sure they all know their business very well.
I surround myself with Professionals, Proven Patriots, and even a few Democrats.
The snowflakes are to stupid to adapt, they want it just given to them. You don’t see very many in trade schools, because trade schools don’t teach “Liberal Arts.”
I love snowflakes, as they melt from the heat. Heats coming, you are gonna have a rough time.
Mindhunter, read the article again. Go to the top. A few sentences down (in bold). What do you read? Quit making excuses. SMG called you out. There are millions of blog sites out there. And you are picking this one to stir up and accuse us all of being a bunch of snowflakes?
Go hunt minds elsewhere. Thank you.
Ken:
Do me a favor will you please.
Enough said.
Mindhunter.
Troll, take your lib-turd crap somewhere else.
Prove your BS before calling someone else a liar.
And at least get the author of the Article right…. Moron.
Stand my Ground.
You know as well as anyone
“Ya can’t fix STUPID”
Don’t let this Idiot get to you.
Of course I’d use a LOT stronger words for this TROLL.
NRP
I have a real problem with people calling me a lair. Besides, he called Ken out, on an article I wrote. I will not stand by, and watch some one else take crap for my action. I called mindhunter out. Let the coward come on back, I’ll take him on.
This is not Kens problem, it’s mine, and I will own it.
Stand my Ground: That’s the problem with Trolls.
They com and disrupt whan hide
Dude you did a good job on the Article.
Please don’t let the BS get ya down.
Its the shit the Lib-turds live on
Stand my Ground:
Troll Alert! I think the Trolls are trying to move in on this sight.
BigBadCat
I know, I usually don’t respond to their nonsense, But, he called Ken a lair. I just could not let that pass.
Stand my Ground,
Understand your reaction – have had it myself when encountering a troll. That said, all the troll wants is to get you mad, de-rail some good productive conversations and sow discord. It (the troll) gets its jollies by pushing people’s buttons and getting reactions. It needs attention, like a vampire needs blood. Don’t feed the troll – it’s a waste of your time and energy. Laugh at it, ignore it, commune with your people.
Stand my Ground,
I enjoyed the article you wrote as well as your posts. Keep on Keepin’ on Sir!
As far as food production in the US, I can’t help but think about the Ethanol Scam that the government has perpetuated on We The People for far too many years.
It makes no sense to take good land, grow substandard “food”, use good fuel to turn substandard “food” grown on good land and turn it into substandard “fuel”.
Farkin’ government at its incompetent finest.
RDM,
While some comments you have posted, I have agreed with, your comment of “As far as food production in the US, I can’t help but think about the Ethanol Scam that the government has perpetuated on We The People for far too many years.” I disagree.
I would rather have a portion of our fuel grown here, in the U.S., be it EtOH or Bio-diesel, than send people to foreign lands to fight wars for our fuel supply. Granted E-10 certainly is not as efficient as regular gasoline, but E-30 is. However, will we ever get to E-30 nationwide? Nope, not enough land/yield/acre and the overall impacts on the environment are severe (land being farmed which should not be – marginal land, chemical usage, fertilizer usage etc). Carbon score on EtOH/Biodiesel is better than oil any day, all depends on where you draw your box. However, one will NEVER get rid of oil and nor should they as it is a storeable source of energy which can be turned into many things besides fuel.
Primer on corn: 50% of US corn supply goes to EtOH. 30% of that which cannot be fermented is turned into DDGS which then is fed back to cattle and right now a ranchers feed costs have gone up by 25% due to lack of DDGS in the market. The other 40% of the corn supply goes feeding cattle directly while the last 10% is Coke/Pepsi or export. Soy is export or feed (cattle, hog, chicken) with oil to bio-diesel, cosmetics, salad dressing etc. Everyone likes their meat and the convenience there of along with cheap food prices.
That being said, farmers are in a tight pinch as it is with depressed commodities in general. Mono-cropping has not helped (corn/soy rotation) and the American farmer is the best in the world at over production. However, we all have to pay our taxes somehow…..and how is the farmer going to pay for their land? Taxes? Rents? Provide for their family? They have to farm. And today’s world it is corn/beans/wheat/sorghum/oats/animals.
SDman,
Cannot agree with you more that we (the US) should not send our young men to fight wars in foreign lands over oil or anything else. Wanted to get that out of the way as it has zero to do with an ethanol discussion.
The US has plenty of renewable oil resources on our lands, so I am a huge proponent of using it.
Respectfully speaking; The government taking mine and your wealth and extorting it give it to farmers to use good land to grow substandard food to then use good fuel to turn substandard food grown on good land, into substandard fuel is 100% wasteful nonsense. That cannot be disputed. Ethanol has done more to damage good engines/motors and the government EPA mandates to help the ethanol tax payer funded businesses have driven the cost of equipment and equipment maintenance way up.
I am a huge fan of farmers, but I am not a fan of these out of control tax payer funded subsidies. I support you if you are a farmer, especially a farmer in South Dakota, one of the last bastions of freedom. And if you can tell me that you have never taken 1 dime of tax payer funded subsidies and still make the argument that ethanol is better than oil, than I will shut up.
But if you have taken tax payer funded dollars to run your operation, I will be needing to borrow your new F350 Platinum and heavy duty gooseneck trailer that I helped pay for! I need to move my tractor to my son’s place next weekend.
🙂
RDM,
We agree on more items than not, just have different view points such a your comment on “renewable oil resources”….just time and pressure to get that “renewable oil”. Bummer that we imported 2.27X more oil from Saudi Arabia in March (800,000 BBL) vs. Jan (350,000 BBL).
Sorry to hear that you have had a bad experience with EtOH. I have heard that before from others. In my 20 yrs running E-10 to E-30, have not had an issue w/the farm trucks, john boat or small engines. A point we will have to agree to disagree.
With regards to subsidies:
If EtOH – the farmers/EtOH plants don’t receive any subsidies – the blenders (oil companies) do. Just like the subsidies oil companies receive for exploration, R&D, production etc. I don’t like subsidies anymore than you do when companies are making massive profits, but not paying taxes like the rest of us.
If farm – then yes, we have received govt. payments due to market, weather or not to farm marginal ground. We have 40 chances in our life times to make a living and it is just that, a chance. We can do everything right (plant, fertilize, calve etc.) and then mother nature throws in a monkey wrench (flood, drought, hail etc.). Then there is market manipulation by the packers or CME (did I mention that the American farmer is the best in the world at overproduction :). We’ve had good years and bad years, but continue on for our family and to provide for others as we still have to pay rent, taxes and make land payments.
I did detect your dry humor on the last statement. Sorry to say we are not as fortunate to have the F350 Platinum edition. Our equipment is older and used and gets a good work over every winter for spring planting. Think the “newest” farm truck is 2004 and we bought that used along w/mostly everything else we have.
Maybe best said – “Burn down your cities and leave our farms, and your cities will spring up again as if by magic; but destroy our farms and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in the country.” – William Jennings Bryan
SDMan,
Excellent points and I appreciate your respectful debate!
Regardless of our stance on ethanol, I would be honored to share with you a glass or 3 of some of the best uses of corn; distilled and stored in a charred oak barrel and served neet! (Or on the rocks, I ain’t no snob!)
Be well my friend! 🙂
Mind hunter, give me your phone number and I will text you a picture I took on Wednesday of our grocery store with bare shelves. I took it because my one son who lives in the south said they didn’t have a problem in his area. The person who is responsible to handle the shipments coming To this store, has also stated that they are not receiving what they anticipated. Specifically, which warehouses told you personally they are not having a problem?
We have area dairy farmer dumping huge amounts of milk each day because the processor will not take it. I cannot get 20 percent chicken pellets for my poultry because my local grain store cannot get what they need to make the pellets. These are personal experiences for me in the here and now.
One store that had toilet paper had raised the price for $6.65 for a dozen rolls to $9.95 for the same. I am assuming because whoever sold it to them raised their price. Fortunately, I did not need it but there are many people who do need it and the price has gone up over 50 percent. While getting my prescription refilled, I checked the prices for TP in their store…it was the same or more. So it isn’t one store overcharging, it is most of them so I have to believe they are being charged more for the product. The cops shop here too and I didn’t see anyone handing out tickets for price gouging.
The city dwellers that I know personally because they are members of my family (NYC, San Antonio, Baltimore, Port Charlotte), do not keep much food in their apartment or homes. They prefer to eat out a lot. The city holds more people and is more reliant on the food distribution network so yeah, it will hurt them when the food distributions stops. And the one person that I know personally who works as the logistics person for a trucking company, just got laid off last week because not enough product to move.
Based on what I am seeing personally and hearing from family members, I believe Stand’s article is providing good information and we should consider his info carefully so we can make informed decisions about our own households.
I don’t know if you really believe what you said or are just here to stir the pot, but I believe you are the one who is misinformed.
Just a casual observation. Why would someone be hunting a mind (Mindhunter?) unless they have lost theirs?
Dennis;
Of all the things I have lost in my life, tis the Mind I miss the most… hehehe
Mindhunter, every city dweller may not be one meal away but for sure only a handful. Imagine to wait for over two months to buy TP at a military grocery store ( commissary). The services members living on base/post/station are supposed to be supplied first with what is needed because they are on the front lines. So, don’t you think there will be a supply and distro problem? I live on a base, I live in a big city and I can tell you that when basic items for survival are not available, the riots will start. The joke that most people have never seen how a potato grows but only know French fries, exists for a reason. You also want to think about resupply issues because there is a lack of raw materials in adequate amounts in order to catch up with production. I am in none of those fields, but doing some thinking.
All I know is that was a really cool looking Train Wreck, see photo above, and a good movie.
Don’t give up on the good old USA yet pal, there’s still good people in this country. The small business people know how to get back up when they get knocked down my money will go to them.
Ken:
Sure does seem like a LOT more trolls out lately don’t it?
BTW haven’t said it lately but.
Thanks for all you do.
Seems like a good Family here.
Now you know why I shut my BOLG down years ago….
Ya just can’t fix stupid.
BUT the people who actually listen find the value.
Thanks again my friend
🤙
Agreed,
Thank you Ken!
Your little corner o the net is a bit like home,,,
Troll Alert! Troll Alert! Troll crap stinking up the sight. Oh wait. Maybe I’m just getting over excited.
“None are so blind, as those who have eyes and cannot see.”
(In reference to that train that is surely headed this way.)
Ken,
I’m wondering if it’s possible to have some protocol for legit commenters to follow when a troll is identified. For example, ignore them until they are gotten rid of? They are truly despicable, and amazingly good at finding hot buttons to push to get responses. Total waste of time to engage them, though. Any response at all, however justified, just feeds the troll.
BTW, there were four identities that kind of ‘felt’ off to me when I read them. Since I’m fairly new here and don’t know everybody, and also like to give people the benefit of the doubt, I didn’t say anything. My apologies if I should have.
I so appreciate your really great site, and all the good work you do.
Farmgirl
I usually only reply to MSB Patriots I know. The new ones, well, I pay attention to their posts for a while, before I will converse with them.
I take my comments and other MSB Patriots comments quite seriously.
Like you. I’ve read and watched your comments. Your Legit.
Just the way I roll.
Stand my Ground,
Thanks for that. I understand cautiousness, which is why I’m really moved by what you said.
This is the first blog I’ve ever posted comments to, and I’ve been all over the net, reading and researching, for a long time. (I also have electrical tape over my laptop camera 😉 )
Don’t know why I decided to start now. Just feels good here.
Farmgirl
LOL. This is the first Blog, that I have not been banned from.
As a nation, we essentially stay one harvest ahead of demand by storing it and smoothing out any peak/valley shortfalls. There are a total of 175,642 commercial facilities involved in this supply-chain across the country.
That bulk stored food, and the subsequent supply chain, is entirely separate from the fresh food supply chain used by restaurants, hotels, cafeterias etc. For almost 8 weeks the retail supply chain has been operating beyond capacity and the burn rate of raw food products is up a stunning 40 percent.
Those bulk warehouses, the feeder pools for retail/consumer manufactured food products, are starting to run low. Believe me: (1) we don’t want to find out what happens when those 800 mass storage facilities run out; and (2) the food supply chain will be a big part of President Trump’s decision-making on reopening the economy thereby re-opening restaurants, cafeterias, etc…. and switching consumption back to fresh supply.
Something is going to need to happen prior to June 31st, or the long-term economic challenge is going to be much more difficult.
source: NewsPushed
Interesting article as it relates to the question of the food supply chain. It appears we’re headed into a period of cheaper food prices dues to a decreased demand for food by restaurants and other venues. SO, you may have an opportunity to stock up for cheaper before it gets worse.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/food-makers-get-shot-of-reality-now-that-panic-buying-has-waned/ar-BB12J4SI
Gray One,
Note the last paragraph in your linked article:
“A month ago, buzz words related to food were things like plant-based, sustainability, animal welfare, now it’s about shelves, supply chains. It’s completely changed everything. People are more concerned about putting food on the table than anything else. That really changes the mindset.”
Amazing how a little adversity alters the liberal mindset……….
Dennis,
I agree. Suddenly you can’t find real milk and half and half for your coffee, before that, those fancy modern shoppers would scoff at you buying the real food. I never believed in these marketing gimmicks about plant based this and that, but shortages are visible. Its kind of like that for butter. What, no real butter, I thought it was soooo bad for you, good luck finding a stick of the real stuff.
Red Feather Butter and Bega Cheese in cans.
Already bought those, just not touching them yet, powdered milk and eggs. These supplies are for it when it gets really bad, not bad yet.
But have recommended those to other folks. Now if I had the funds for 5000 square feet of a basement full of TP, I will be happy 🙂
TXinEP;
5000 SqFt basement full of TP…. HOLY POOP Batman HAHAHA
I will say last time I hit Safeway there was a fairly good supply of Moo and such, even Cheese.
Again a question for y’all, How can ya eat Spam & Beans without good layer of Cheese grated all over the mess?
Here’s an article about the evident problem with meeting supply demands:
The coronavirus pandemic is cutting into supermarket meat supplies and affecting choices available in meat cases as plant workers get sick and processors struggle to meet surging demand
Got meat?
Related: Get Prepared for Shortages of Everything
Chickens,
18 hens and a very punchy roo!
And
Spam and canned corned beef!
Lots and lots of canned saltygoodness!
As my Momma used to tell us kids, ” If it wasn’t for a garden, fruit trees and Chicken, our family would have starved during the Depression”. Also, ” When you are hungary enough, you’ll eat anything”. I guess that includes Spam? (joking) Big Kahuna
You guys on here are more versed then I am in reference to the Food Chain.
I can add this though just from what I have heard and seen here in my town.
Our local chain food store is telling us (customers) that they are not allowed to order.
Warehouse sees what they are out of but sending them what they think they need, nothing more.
Does that mean they are out at the warehouse or is that their way of rationing items between all the stores the warehouse supplies.
I do know that both grocery stores I go to are out of everything you have talked bout in other posts. Meat/bread/paper products. Hit or miss on the other items.
I also know several vendors who supply items like chips/popcorn/jerky etc..
They are saying the same thing. Orders they place are being cut short on the excuse that they don’t have the product and have no idea when they will.
I have no idea if it will get better anytime soon but thanks to what you guys say on here I feel I am a little more prepared.
The military will have enough? I think so.
@Seminole Wind…….whatcha talking bout? That Spam is some good stuff! hahaha. I actually love it. I get made fun of it in our family. I made sure to stockpile my precious Spam. You actually cannot find it now! Go figure. Fry that stuff up……nom nom nom
Do not listen to the trolls. I for one highly regard the author of this article! @Stand my ground…did a fantastic job. I have noticed the shortages. Yes food is being replenished. A little bit. But nothing like it was. If you believe things will go back to how they were, you are sadly mistaken. I am seeing things happening all around me that this site has warned us about for years.
I am amazed that more mayors, senators and congress people have not stood up to these idiotic governors. Issuing blanket orders in states where the virus infection is low is unconstitutional. Our liberties have been violated. Attorney General William Barr has it right when he said it was a slippery slope when personal liberties are curtailed. That is what happened in Nazi Germany. We don’t want it here. There are already signs of civil unrest. Open the economy and prevent a civil war.
It’s great how Barr has warned governors and mayors about singling out Christians at church, while allowing other places to remain open.
People are getting fed up with the overreach by these dem officials. Here in CA, who knows how long newsom will keep us locked down.
Y’all want to talk about an Absolute Train Wreck???
Just wait till the Warehouses fully run out of TP.
Here is a question for ya, What country is the biggest manufacture of Toilet Paper? (China)
Someone please do the math for me will ya…
One roll per person per week in the USofA.
Now divide that by 1/2 just cause.
Ok Ok, around 160,000,000 rolls of TP per week.
NOW add the amount of Spam eaten a week, just for the heck of it lets say 50,000 cans a week.
Now that’s going to double the amount of TP needed…
320 MILLION rolls of TP A WEEK!!!!!!
Why am I bring this up you ask????
BAN Spam, save TP HAHAHAHA
ha ha ha ……Spam along with some beans well thar ya go and go and go ………
Oh my God! I think I just got gas listing to you guys.
BigBadCat;
Nada worse that a slab of Span and a Can of Bush Baked Beans….
You mean better,
Nothing better than a slab or so fo sPaM and some bushs grillin beans!
Kulafarmer
Love spam. Vienna sausages,yuck, not even survival food. Just plum gross.!!
Where’s the air freshner?
The musical fruit!
You said china is the biggest manufacturer of TP. Apparently they either use it or sell it elsewhere.
“The U.S., however, imports very little toilet paper – less than 10% in 2017. And most of that comes from Canada and Mexico. ”
from: (remove the dash to get to the URL)
ht_tps://theconversation.com/theres-plenty-of-toilet-paper-so-why-are-people-hoarding-it-133300
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Darnnit! Just got an email from Food service Direct that my order for a case of tuna made two weeks ago to ship to my Ex DIL, won’t be sent:
Thank you for ordering from FoodServiceDirect.com. We are sorry to say due to challenges in the supply chain as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, we were unable to fulfil the following item(s) in your order 000386550.
Please note that your card has not been charged for these items. Any pre-authorization on your card will be released once the rest of the order is complete.
Product Id
Description
Qty Missing
Details
OT692393
Starkist Solid White Tuna in Water, 12 Ounce — 12 per case.
1
Currently unavailable due to an issue in the supply chain.
If you order contained other items, these will continue to be processed as expected and will not be held back.
We apologize again. We’re very sorry to let you down, unfortunately this issue was beyond our control.
Oh well, I have managed to snag a few things that she has received.
So we have used regular places on line like Amazon, Sam’s, Walmart, and food services that provide food to businesses and restaurants…they all have the each time same problem. The food is not there to distribute. And when I shop local it is hit and miss. My ex DIL has the same problem. There is a problem getting food and I believe it will get worse.
Addendum to my post yesterday. On the news today, Big Brother ie Google, Facebook and other similar sites are honing their algorithms to scan your postings on Covid 19 “fake news”. You will receive a notice of which site to go and receive the CORRECT information on the virus. This is where the Powers That Be begin their control over our knowledge of this situation. The economy will be running again fairly soon now. Just an opinion from an old boomer.
Stand my Ground
Good summary of the concerns many of us have discussed for a long time.
This overblown (in my opinion) flu virus has resulted in the potential destruction of our country by opportunists. Number one, are the government officials that have been waiting for an excuse to curtail the rights of the citizens to empower themselves and their agentas. Number two, are the corporate giants that are now stepping into complete control over products we need and the control of information.
In my opinion there are few ways to resolve the dictatorial infringement of our rights. An overwhelming turnout to elect Constitutionalists in November is one way. A million man show of force against the corrupt dictators is another.
The economic collapse was selected by the most people in Ken’s poll of possible catastrophes. Again I suggest the only results of our country’s waste, corruption, mis-management, wars, globalism, … will be either default of our debt obligations or hyper-inflation. There will be no easy way out of our current problems.
I suggest that the only way for us to avoid the troubles of that inherently fragile system, the “Just in time” supply system, is to support the local economy. We may have to do without bananas, but we may avoid the shit storm that is headed toward major urban centers.
– SMG,
Nice article, and good squash on the troll. Go for it!
Kula, I’m wishing I had time for your hens, but my and DW’s work doesn’t allow for such. During the depression, my great-grandmother, who incidentally lived well into her 90’s and my oldest daughter remembers her, had a semi-commercial poultry farm and I can remember the milkman delivering milk and buying eggs from her for his route. (When the milkman leaves both milk and money, little kids tend to remember that.) She kept chickens until the very last of her life. What little I know about keeping chickens, ducks and pigeons, which I have done here and there, I learned from her.
And FWIW, BTW, I happen to like Spam!
– Papa S.
Papa Smurf;
I also remember stories of my parents and grand-parents of what it took to survive the Great Depression.
I surely hope we don’t see the full effects of this current “Madness” but it’s getting worrisome.
At time I really wonder if the people of today have the (what’s the words I’m looking for?) hummmm, let’s keep it simple, I wonder if the people have the ability to outlast a Greater Depression.
After all, take a quick look at the stupid people not heading the warnings of “Social Distancing”, something as simple as that, Parties on the Beaches, Massive people greeting the Comfort in NYC, Hundreds of others have a great old time in CA acting like nothing is going on……
I seriously doubt if 99% of the people in the USofA would have a single clue IF we truly go into The Greater Depression.
PS; I also like Spam, hence “is 600 rolls really enough?” HAHAHAHA
– NRP (Blue, too),
I looked up Great-grandmothers house on google Earth not too long ago. Where her chicken yard was is now the parking lot of a Baptist Church, and where her vegetable garden was now has four houses, their yards and their vegetable gardens. I couldn’t find any sign of her orchard remaining. The house is still there, the garage where the horse barn used to stand is now gone in its turn. The oak my uncle planted as an acorn as a boy is still there, now a massive tree. The magnolias out in front that I always associated with the house are gone without any sign. Pretty sad, when ten minutes on a mapping app can make you so sad.
– Papa
Papa Smurf;
Moving this over to Open Forum.
Im not sure what is going on in other areas, but in my area we have a local restaurant chain of about 15 locations thats closed due to our governor. I happened upon their website and saw they had it setup to sell to the public their wholesale food that they couldnt use. 20lb bags of chicken, fish, hamburger, vegetables, tater tots etc. I fired up a dormant freezer and they filled it in one trip. Might be worth checking out in everyones local areas.
No, im in the mountains. Lucky to have many farms nearby that sell pork and beef by the 1/4, 1/2 and whole animal already processed.
Alright. Lets start a clean slate. Thanks.
Ken:
Are you saying us old farts get confused easily?
SMG,
Thank you for your article. This has been very thought provoking, which I really appreciate.
I have the same concerns as you reviewed and that many of our long-time posters here have shared. I have serious concerns about our food chain, job losses and business closures, the unbridled printing of currency and huge increases to national debt as the .gov throws cash around indiscriminately. I’m not even prepared to go into loss of Liberty in this post… that is it’s own topic and will likely be the topic of many posts here in the days ahead.
The stock markets have already made up a chunk of the losses from recent weeks, but there is no sane or quantifiable basis for this return to exuberance. Wait until all these companies start disclosing their quarterly losses and share guidance for the rest of the year. Won’t be pretty. I expect more choppy results as investors whipsaw between real-time bad news and optimism that we will return to “normal” right away.
And we’ve all seen what happens to our economy when consumers get spooked. How much are we taxpayers going to have to foot the bill for as we bail out one industry after the next: airlines, cruises, autos, banks… just the tip of the iceberg.
The combination of job losses, soaring national debt, business failures and food security issues will be very difficult to overcome. And while I do not count financial losses as more important than loss of life, I continue to believe that we will be feeling the effects of the virus long after the medical issues are brought under control.
Thought this was MSB not FB…
Trolls and Posers…
SMG,Good article btw. My contacts concur.
Situation is there are pockets of disruption going on. That’s why one place is barren and another appears to be normal. But soon it wont be pockets. It will be regions then states. They will blue sky it as long as they can to keep the clueless sheep from panicking more than they are. They went apeshit over TP and PT. Just see how it will be when it’s over food.
Did a welfare check on an old friend yesterday. He puts the P in prepping.
He could stay home for 5 years and not need a thing. He is surprised how fast the food issue is moving. He made his money years ago as a Freeze drying food manufacturer and distributor.
His counsel to me was to buy more food,plant more and raise more meat animals.
Don’t know what others will do but I’m going to heed his counsel…
BJH, Yep, I’ve been doing some cleanup on all this. So much for my Friday night. Whatever. Maybe my work will pay off some day 😉
Sounds like your old friend gave good advice. I agree.
Have a good one…
Ken,
Sounds like an adult beverage may be called for…or 2…
You definitely have more patience than me.
Appreciate all ya do here.
It like herding cats sometimes…after they ate the crazy mushrooms in the garden!🤣
Thats pretty funny
Bill Jenkins Horse
In spite of the terrible waste we’re seeing in some ag sectors, am betting your friend is right. Last couple of months have been a gut punch. Let’s hope we can catch our breath before the next one.
Anony Mee,
That’s why I always push folks getting out in their own community and meeting people.
I don’t know farmer Brown 3 states over but I probably have eaten his potatoes. I do know farmer White now who lives 5 miles from me. Farmer White also grows potatoes. So it’s in my best interest to buy from and support my local farmer. With what’s going on now I may not have the option of buying and eating farmer Browns potatoes.
Buy local if you can…
Bill Jenkins Horse,
Hi to you! I’ve been trying to add to food stores for months now. It seems that all freeze-dried food companies are out of stock. I’m hoping that changes. Thanks for your advice, as usual!
luv ya’ll, Beach’n
Beach’n, getting an order placed is a good idea. Unfortunately, it may be awhile before it’s filled. I personally would plan on adding to your storage now with what’s available. Canned goods,frozen. Possibly put in an order locally with a producer/farmer. Building up local relationships in the community is really important. I’m always amazed just how many resources are available around me that I didn’t know existed. It took interacting with folks in my community to be let in to “the loop.”
It has been well worth the time I have invested. The good friends I have made is the bonus…
BJH,
Exactly what I’m trying to do…gotta be careful in the grocery stores, wearing a mask and gloves and not looking like a “hoarder” 😀 sorry, bad joke. luv ya’ll, Beach’n
BJH,
Thanks for your confirmation of SMG’s info. SMG’s sources combined with yours and AC’s comments make total sense to me.
People in the know, people in the industry, are kind and honest enough to share their observations, insights and realities with you folks. You all have been caring enough to share them with us. I have been and will continue to act on this info, and I really appreciate it. Best to you and your family and groups… and thanks as always for your valued contributions.
So Cal Gal, it’s interesting to see people so fixed in their opinion that they can’t see another alternative.
My old friend told me a “tale” that relates to this.(love old guy stories btw.)
4 workmen are tasked to work on a building.
One is assigned to work on the south side. One on the east side.one on the west side. One on the north side.
At the end of the day,they go into the building to eat their supper together.
The worker on the south side said “It was sunny and warm all day.” The worker on the east side said, it was warm and sunny in the morning but cool and shady in the afternoon. The worker on the west side said, it was cool and shady in the morning but warm and sunny in the afternoon. The worker on the north side jumps up and said, are you crazy? It was cold and dark all day. You’re lying if you said it was sunny and warm all day. I don’t believe you. It wasn’t what I experienced.
Now,all 4 observations had truth in them. All the worker on the north side had to do was walk around the building to see for himself…
Now, this sure relates to SMG’s article doesn’t it?
Folks not willing to ” walk around the building to see for themselves “…
BJH,
Love “old guy” stories, too!
That’s a spot-on illustration of people’s mind-set based on perception. And, if those same workers did the same thing for a length of time they would each likely develop the normalcy bias we all talk about so much here.
I’d venture to say the vast majority of people would not only not walk around the building to gain perspective, but would also argue that their experience is the only “truth”. I’m all for healthy skepticism, willful blindness is another matter entirely.
Please keep the old guy stories coming!
Beach’n
If it is in your budget you may wish to acquire a freezer dryer unit.
Especially the unit that doesn not require the oil change. If I understand those who purchased them, would have preferred those units over the oil change system. fyi
I have a book of stamps too if been showing these lost liberal kids that book and they look at it like an alien artifact. Our government controlled socialist education system has destroyed our future by destroying the education they are receiving ( and over paying for with our taxes) We Americans need to demand change or the future will be very disappointing. Why do you think these young kids are committing mass shooting. They are depressed and disgusted with everything and everyone…and their parents have failed them terribly. Everything my parents taught me to survive and thrive is all gone. God help U.S.
False hope: America re-opens today and tomorrow everything will be back to normal.
Ain’t going to happen.
The food supply chain has been disrupted, eh, broken. Potato producers are leaving the spuds in the ground as the market has collapsed due to the closing of restaurants. Livestock and fresh produce have similar problems. If restaurants open up tomorrow, no potatoes, no pork, no beef, no salad bar.
It will be years before we get back to anything that looks like “normal”, if ever.
Chevy
IMHO
EVERYTHING has been crippled by this. I honestly cant see any way that things go back to any sort of “normal” in the near or even foreseeable future. Just too many variables that have been disrupted.
Ditto. Aside from the pandemic there are other major developments that will undoubtedly result in unforetold realignments: Russia cannot survive a sustained oil price crash, North Korean dictator’s death will result in political chaos.
I didn’t realize I was reciting a false report about Kim Jung death from CNN. Had I known it was CNN reporting the dictators’ death I wouldn’t have mentioned it.
When the State tells you it’s safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it’s not about your health.
When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it’s not about your health.
When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems an abortion visit is safe, it’s not about your health.
When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it’s dangerous, but allows personal lottery ticket sales, it’s not about your health.
When the State tells you it’s dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make-up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it’s not about your health.
When the state puts you IN a jail cell for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor for chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.
Jim Holt, source
Prove this wrong
SMG
thank you.
VERY POWERFUL. Thanks for sharing.
Stand,
Thanks for continuing to sound the ‘wake up!’ alarm. Even many who see the big picture can sometimes hit ‘snooze’.
FarmGirl
We have a real SHTF situation right here, right now. I’m not gonna worry about “What if”, EMP. We got bigger problems.
SMG,
My heart just about jumped out of my chest reading this. Please forgive me for being dense, but I don’t know what you mean. I hope you are okay.
SMG,
Another wake up alarm?
SMG,
Oh boy, hope you and yours are okay.
SMG,
Unless you mean that related to our current situation in general?
Stand my Ground…—- yes, indeed. So many similar concerns I’ve had….questions I’ve had…
too much doesn’t make sense
In less than three months, the United States went from a record low, peace-time unemployment rate, a record stock market performance and a record level of public confidence in the economy, as well as high poll ratings for the President in an election year, to a thoroughly defeated nation.
Liberty requires risk. This is a dangerous time for liberty in America. Look folks, no government can guarantee a person’s safety. Risk is the Siamese twin of liberty. You cannot save the one without endangering the other. The whole idea of liberty is that we are all free to make individual choices, not Gov’t making them for us.
Drunken driving laws did not eliminate drunken driving, laws against texting and driving did not prevent texting and driving, drug laws did not prevent drug use, and wearing masks did not prevent the spread of a virus. Laws simply PUNISH behavior, not prevent it.
The issue is not whether the draconian efforts to stop the spread of the virus is a good thing, but rather, does the government have the AUTHORITY to DEMAND the people comply. We are seeing citizens being arrested for simply violating a health order, even if there is no evidence that that person even HAD, let alone SPREAD, the virus to someone else.
It grieves me to see how few people are really able to think critically. I guess they called us sheep for a reason. When it is all said and done, the greatest tragedy of this whole escapade will be the realization of how willingly Americans bowed their knees to unlawful government. When US citizens happily embrace an illegal, unconstitutional economic shutdown based on flawed “science” spewed by self-serving bureaucrats in hopes they’ll be “safe,” one can only conclude they are suffering from the equivalent of Stockholm syndrome.
The Constitution of the United States does grant us Liberty, but, We the People, have to stand up, grasp and protect those rights. Which, sadly, we are not. Liberty is risky. Freedom has consequences, but, not many are willing to face those consequences. Hence, “the nail sticking up”, a lot are afraid of the hammer of Gov’t. Gov’t is dangerous, but so is the loss of our rights.
If you are living in fear of the virus or scared to death of going in public, by all means, cower in fear in lock-down and obey the masters that own you, be that sheeple. that FEMA camp will be your salvation. The only way to salvage even a shred of our human dignity, rights, and economy is to disobey the tyrants, become a Patriot. It’s time to Stand Your Ground. If, enough of us Stand Our Ground, then their game is over.
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God
Dave Daubenmire the source of some of this post
A virus far more deadly than the coronavirus is spreading from Washington down to the local city hall. Tin pot dictators are ruling by decree while federal, state, and local legislators largely stand by and watch as the US Constitution they swore to protect goes up in smoke.
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If cops who are not wearing a mask, arrest you for not wearing a mask, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If we release violent criminals from jail, and then jail peaceful shop owners, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If you’re standing alone and cops gather around you to arrest you for not social distancing, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If police threaten to give tickets to a husband and wife because they are sitting next to each other in public, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If churches are closed but abortion centers are open, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If people die of preventable causes because we shut down our hospitals, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If the liquor store clerk can serve thousands of people a day, but you can’t open your business for a few dozen customers, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If golf courses are open, but shooting ranges are closed, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If the grocery clerk can see over a thousand people a day, but your priest can only have 9 other people his his church, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If the court is open for marriage or divorce, but not to renew your concealed carry permit, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If counties who shelter in place have the same death rate as counties who don’t, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If we treat counties that have never seen a death from Covid-19 the same way we treat New York City, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If politicians send sick people back to nursing homes, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If politicians say we shouldn’t jail people for disobeying the regulations that the politician just wrote, then this isn’t a public health problem.
If politicians go to the gym, go get their hair cut, and go to a nail salon, but you can’t, then this isn’t a public health problem.
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Of the nearly 80,000 deaths from the virus in this country as of Saturday afternoon, 5-9-2020, nearly 48,700, or about 60 percent, had occurred in New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Michigan and Pennsylvania. A huge amount of these deaths, occurred in nursing homes, where Cuomo sent the sick, positive Wuhan virus patients. This is murder.!
What does Washington state have planned next? Kidnapping.!
It would seem they’re preparing to take children who are either positive for the coronavirus or who live in households where there are people who have tested positive and move them to “Emergency Quarantine Centers” away from their families. FEMA camps.!! No parent is gonna stand by, and watch these fascist pigs, steal their children. Not gonna happen, there will be lives lost over this very stupid Decree.!
As part of its Phase 2 Covid-19 Reopening Requirements, state officials want restaurants to keep a “daily log” of diners with all their contact information that will be kept by each restaurant for at least 30 days.
“If the establishment offers table service, create a daily log of all customers and maintain that daily log for 30 days, including telephone/email contact information, and time in. This will facilitate any contact tracing that might need to occur.” Papers, or arrest..!! Nobody I know is gonna do this, no way, just another way to force them out of business.
A House resolution from Illinois Democrat Rep. Bobby Rush that would put Big Government in charge of tracking citizens’ movements as they relate to COVID-19 mitigation efforts — even sending health bureaucrats to “individuals’ residences,” “as necessary,” as the legislation states — has a most apt number: 6666.
Mark of the beast. Mark of the beast for a beastly, monstrously unconstitutional bill. HR 6666 violates inalienable rights to one’s person, home and property, to one’s life, freedoms, privacy and security. It is a violation of the Fourth Amendment, as well as the First, Fifth, Eighth and Ninth amendments … It is an illegal act of forced medical treatment upon We the People and an invasion into our local communities. It grants the feds broad authority as to empower any ‘entity’ , to hunt down people with no reasonable suspicion of threat to public health … HR 6666 is unconstitutional, unacceptable and unlawful.
3 trillion more for a Democratic pork bill? Dr Fauci = destruction.! There is no rule of law any more, just look at Flynn.!
What the heck is wrong with these Democrats, are they really that desperate, to destroy this country? WE the People, no longer have a choice. It’s either RESIT, or Cower in our fear. The only way to salvage even a shred of our human dignity, rights, and economy is to disobey the tyrants, become a Patriot. It’s time to Stand Your Ground. If, enough of us Stand Our Ground, then their game is over. This has to stop right now, or the next step is gonna be very ugly. Or, maybe, the next step, is what these crazy idiots want. They better be careful what they ask for, they might just get it, out of the barrel of a weapon.!
This whole mess, is not about our health.!
Hermit us, I agree, I have said from the very beginning, this whole Wuhan virus thing, doesn’t pass the smell test.!
Stand my Ground,
Post of The Day!
SMG
It doesnt even remotely pass the smell test.
Its all a bunch of bullshitt if you ask me,
Something else is going on, the gubermutts are not being honest with the people. I draw the line at anyone thinking they can interview me. Aint happening. I am not alone, i dont care what they label me as. They have completely damaged many peoples livlihoods, way of life etc. All with a smile on their faces.
If it is a bioweapon tell us. Be up front, otherwise STF up and let us get back to it, but when these mealy mouthed gubermutts continually misdirect and deceive while giving half truths they lose their audience, people are not buying it.
Enough already,
Kulafarmer,
I’m noticing that anytime they issue some outrageous, liberty denying order, there is a reaction and then they backpedal. Almost like they are testing out their reach, to see how much they can get away with.
If true, that would be encouraging in that they’re still being responsive to public backlash. Am I being naive to think we still have a shot to stop this march to tyranny without a significant loss of life? If enough people say “Enough”?
You’re not wrong thinking we could stop it, but I think it’s fantasy to think enough people will stand up. Sheeple are far too willing to do anything they are told to do, as long as you tell them “safety” they’ll buy into it.