Here we go again, another school shooting. Santa Fe, Texas, a small city just south of Houston.
Something surely has changed over these past few decades making school shootings more common place. Yes?
I read this comment from one of the online reports:
Schools from my era where not fenced, no security or law enforcement was present {didn’t need to be}. No metal detectors, or “active shooter drills’.
And yet, guns were just as prevalent, if not much more so. Now, our schools have taken on the look of a maximum security prison. That right there should tell you something. The guns have always been there, so that’s not the problem.
No one is asking: What is it that has changed in our society over the last twenty years or so, that has made these shootings common place? Prior to Columbine, shootings of this nature didn’t happen.
– TheObsoleteMan
Another comment brings up another logical point:
The number of these shootings / events is all out of proportion. You don’t just have near none for years and then magically have shooting after shooting. Human behavioral statistics don’t just rocket up in such disproportion.
………It’s like you walked out one day and instead of a probability of 1 in 2.6 million people being 7 foot tall, instead you saw a different 7 footer walking around town every day you went out.
It’s just not going to happen without some outside interference in the natural order. The easiest measure that could be taken is that the deck is being stacked by bringing a large group of 7 footers to your city.
And another:
This country has always had lots of guns and idiots.
Getting a 10 year old their first .22 was a pretty common gift. High School shooting teams, kids would hunt after school and keep their firearm in their car, etc.
No, guns and idiots aren’t the problem, their is something insidious going on in the US.
Maybe this is a false flag or perhaps our culture is in free fall and it’s driving people insane. It could be that the demise of religion in our society has taken away the fear of divine consequences leaving a nihilistic vacuum.
What do you think?
Guns are obviously not the problem (at least it’s obvious for those who can think).
It’s something else. What is it?
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Just an opinion:
If you are not taught that decisions/actions have consequences, and have experienced the consequences (both good and bad) growing up; then there is no self-control or responsibility for ones self. No ethical or moral standards for reference; “it’s what I wanted to do, it’s not my fault”.
Or, the anti-gun movement was losing steam, time to get it refocused.
Or, society is just crumbling; this is a symptom.
Right on, Grey. Exactly how I see it.
I have been saying this for some time. No consequences, no cause and effect, no morals ’cause everything is ‘okay’ now. This is not the country I grew up in where the worst thing that happened when my brother had his gun was a bird was needlessly shot. And he got his but beat for that!
We don’t have a gun problem, we have a Godless problem!
Fully agree that an increasingly amount of us moving away from and steadily against God is a major factor. Absolutely.
I also believe that society, politicians, etc. have conveniently adopted the term “mental illness” to be as entirely as to what’s to blame, (aside from the foolish argument that the firearm in of themselves are at fault). Meds obviously play a part and that’s the never to be spoken about factor as well.
But the fact is, that EVIL has increased exponentially and that can be attributed to my first point. It’s not “mental illness”, it’s EVIL. Evil is smart. Evil is cunning. Evil can formulate plans and conspire. Evil is often dismissed as “mental illness” and wrongly thought as it can always be prevented.
The only good thing to this is that evil can be physically defeated when it is in the act. Defeated by a good person with the means and willingness to do so, whether that’s while being armed or not.
Evil has increased. That’s it. That’s why things are the way they are. The why’s and how’s won’t decrease it. Be safe folks!
When we took prayer out of schools, the decay began. We would catch about 2 hours in the deer stand, then change clothes (or not) throw the rifle or shotgun on the gun rack of our truck, and drive to school. We never had ANY trouble involving guns at school. I don’t even remember anyone’s firearm being stolen out of their car or truck. My how times have changed.
I would have to agree with both Bluecatmatt and Silver Lodge. We have become not just a more secular society, but we do not fear God (meaning ramifications for our sins/immorality), thus, we have more evil in America.
To my way of thinking this is the root problem and all other issues seem to track back to our root issue: our religious belief.
– Bluecatmatt, exactly right!
– Papa S.
Liberal Society’s neutering of the male. You can be anyone you want to be. A boy wants to be a girl he just says it. It is inbred in males to be manly and young boys get confused being taught that males are to be looked down upon and manliness is frowned upon in today,s society.
Think back when you were a young lad how hard it was to adjust to a normal society. How hard it must be for young males today in this depraved world.
Man on foot, We don’t know about this shooter yet. I wounder if he was on antidepressants? We have to get more info. A lot of the recent shooters were on psyc meds. just saying!
There DEFINITELY are LOTS more anti-depressant meds (people on these meds) than 20 years ago. Could be one factor.
Ken Jorgustin
Exactly why I took the risk and stopped my PTSD meds. I’m 60 days “clean”, and can see a remarkable change in the way I feel and see things. Although, it’s not all roses right now, I think I will be better off in the long run. PTSD, is a real “bitch” to deal with.
That’s awesome – being clean of it. Congrats to you. We all have our $h%& to deal with, some worse than others. Adapt & Overcome 😉
STG, good for you. I always said you can put a piece of velvet over a pile of dog sh– but the dog sh– is still there. Hope you will feel better soon. Keep busy and when the demon raises it’s head, just say no time for you. Go away I am in control here!
Mrs.USMCBG
Thank you
The Israeli’s have developed good methods to overcome PTSD. You should look into it. Here’s one article about it;
https://www.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/Health-and-Science/Israeli-US-researchers-develop-PTSD-treatment-for-soldiers-using-computer-program-410390
What I believe too, Ken. A lot of these kids have been found to have physcotropic drugs in they’re systems after death or have been prescribed these drugs. BPAR.kypd.
Give it two -three days for facts …. digging to be done re: the connections of these students to others…and to “health care issues” .
Ask logical questions….How did they get explosives? Who provided those to high school or even prior year students? Think their wal mart or burger king minimum wage , 20 hour/wk jobs was able to give them enough extra money to purchse those supplies?
I suspect a mind control event in play . Q warned us to be on alert….saying …”what always happens when news is coming out against the former gov. heads” and weenee laptop info is coming out. Diversion is a tactic they have used each time large release of “negative to them” info was coming out. The them being serco, deep state…black hats… what ever you wish to label. …they are not for the common man or woman and want us enslaved to serve them and they want all of our money while they are geo engineering the land with all kinds of contaminants.
Ok, I guess I sound like a broken record, but this is a result of 50+ years of implementing liberal/progressive ideology into our society. Not holding people accountable for their actions, rather making excuses for them based on age, race, deviation from norms.
Break the law? Not your fault. It’s because you were too young to understand right from wrong, because leo picked you out because of the color of your skin, etc.
In the early 1970’s my state of Texas caved to liberal demands by severely limiting how law enforcement dealt with juveniles, more or less making them untouchable. I remember taking the mandatory training on the new “Family Law” additions to our penal code. I was incredulous of the severe limitations to holding youth accountable. I verbally expressed my prediction that we were creating a new class of untouchable criminals. Within 5 years, 90+% of all street drug dealers were 15 years old or younger. Why take a chance dealing when you could recruit youth for $100 day to do it for you who had a get out of jail free card?
This liberal mentality continued to grow. Fast forward to Broward County Florida that implemented Obama’s and Holder’s “Promise Program” that was designed to reduce the number of student crimes being reported to law enforcement. The Parkland High School shooter, we now learn, had committed 45+ crimes that were never reported, rather, each time he was protected by this “diversion program”. Leading to it being reported he had a clean record prior to his rampage.
I could go on and on describing my thoughts on where we as a society dropped the ball, but I’ve got chores needing tending to. Maybe later.
Dennis,
Yes! agreed! 50 years plus. and everything you said is fact. society not only dropped the ball,…. they intentionally dropped it down in the well.
They had to bring in the “Special teachers” for colleges to train the teachers to be liberals and accept social liberal experimentation.
The whole generation sat on their duffs and allowed God to be removed from classrooms because it “could offend someone, somewhere sometimes… “. ( that person is not tied down they could stand outside the door) God is a gentleman, they did not want Him and He did not force himself on them. Result was amorality being taught.. ie…” I’m ok, your ok” “anything you want to do is ok and Right for You…” There is no absolute right or wrong, and there is no absolute truth….
Like some others have posted there was right and wrong at our house and we best be doing right or we would be on the wrong side of a swinging peice of shoesole rubber … It was a right fine reminder that someone cared and we’d best uphold our family name and identity as “honorable, trustworthy and dependable”
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Jn 17: 17 says, in that beautiful prayer, there is truth..and identifies it. we either believe truth exists or we have no respect for the creator.
Just Sayin’—“They had to bring in the “Special teachers” for colleges to train the teachers to be liberals and accept social liberal experientation.”…It is even worse than that..Over the past two yrs, I have read several reports/exposures that many, if not the majority of universities in Canada/States actually have folks (students?) they have hired to wonder around campus and actually listen to the students conversations. If these “thought police” hear comments/language (read politically incorrect as they see it) they report it to “someone” and the folks are hunted down/chastised/etc… As one commentator commented on one of these articles…Post Secondary Education used to be a place when young adults could explore differing viewpoints and discuss them and etc. Now days, it is a dangerous thing to do. Express any opinion openly.
Lack of respect for others I think. When its considered not a problem to kill a fetus, you are telling kids that their lives are of little value. And so when you are in school and you become a target of others, you become despondent, then angry. It is revenge they are seeking, as well as a path way out.
Just my thoughts – prayers for those families and friends who lost or have someone they know get hurt.
It’s a social problem. And it’s hard to blame it on bad parenting, but that is where the problem exists.
The educational system has become more childcare , than education.
With workplaces less forgiving and flexible, on allowing parents time to deal with their children’s needs.
And then there’s the peer pressure and influence the children undergo,have you seen some of the online games?
And i agree the changes away from religious beliefs has also had a dire effect on family life styles.
Just my 5 cents worth.
well the pressure cooker thing sounds a lot like mu sod a fod hussein is up to his or her old tricks. i think that is what was used in the boston marathon if i am correct. i dont know the answer to all this, i think everyone here gave a valid point on the causes, but i wonder if we just have gone too far and no solution (s) are really gonna make a difference.
We’ve become a much more secular society….Religion has been removed from our public everyday life ergo the consistent guidance and values that would come with that.
Our values as a people are diminishing daily…gender confusion presented on a daily basis via our cable and TV companies, legalized drugs becoming more and more common place. I’ve read that it’s easier for a minor to get an appointment for an abortion than it is for a uninsured Senior Citizen to get a standard Dr. appointment.
So many broken homes…so little guidance…so much confusion…so much unvented anger
As our society breaks down being a Prepper will be more and more important in all phases of our lives..
May God guide and protect us all during the sad and dangerous process
Step back and take a look from a different angle ,,,who and what will gain from this ???
Look at the timing ,, the trouble coincides with the rise of computers and computer games ,,,,,the computer allows you to live in a alternet world , and never develop interaction skills ,,,,I and others I know feel the web is the problem ,there is too much to process,, ,to fast ,, in the valley we have banned the web and TV ,,,,, that has resulted in a lot of peaceful and happy folks ,,,
Going dark leads to folks going through a withdrawal of sorts ,,,,
It’s funny to see someone passthrough it and come out the other side and realized,HEY life is so much better without the web ,,,
It is sort of like going through John galts guest room ,,if you have read the book you will understand,
As soon as my work is done ,i will being going dark
The ‘sit-in-the-time-out-chair’ generation has never learned that some actions can and should have harsh consequences. I don’t know if we should be blaming the psychologists who designed the theories or the parents who listened. Not every person can be successful at everything, and to make kids think they are kings/queens from the start of their lives is missing the point of good parenting. ( Who has read John Rosemond parenting columns/books?)
I think the kids that are playing the violent video games, then shutting down the games to go to school are being desensitized to guns/violence. How many of these school shootings occur in inner- city schools where kids are more likely to have some history of gun violence? The majority seem to be in suburban school districts.
Parental disinterest is also an issue– ie: shuttling between Mom’s house and Dad’s apartment where divorced parents are more interested in themselves instead of their kids.
On the other hand, there is a definite twisting of facts being presented by the media about any gun violence. HJL on Survivalblog had a little blurb on 04/29/18 about the gun homicide rate that linked to BJ Campbell’s 3 articles on Medium detailing the warped statistics being used. Long articles but fascinating… I liked the second one that links to the fivethirtyeight interactive charts about gun deaths in America.
In my opinion putting this all on the news , TV ,and the internet is a major contributing factor to it continuing. In these children’s minds they become hero’s by seeing there names on everyone’s lips. Sensationalizing it doesn’t help the kids that are dead. it doesn’t help their loved ones and doesn’t help society. I liken it to Rome and the gladiators. People grouped together to cheer others being butchered and killed because it was alright to do so. Again in my opinion if the penalty for doing these things was so horrific,(maybe the old burning at the stake ) it might actually be a deterant also . I really don’t give a damn about why these kids are doing these things. They were abused,they have mental problems,they are off their meds ect> I don’t care how they got to the place they are just that they are there and need to be dealt with. Anyone old enough to remember the movie Old Yeller? It didn’t matter that the dog got rabies while saving the lives of it’s masters just that it did and had to be put down.
We didn’t have a “time out chair” , my dad would have probably used it for firewood, we got an “a$$ whipping” which taught us:
– Someone cared and someone was watching over us
– Our household had standards to live up to and to obey
– Next time might and probably would be worse
– We cared, we didn’t want to disappoint the folks or to be thought of badly…different times
Wow, we are currently in Romania. Very few guns, very low murder rate, very little violent crime. On the other hand, most of the houses have good fences, security cameras and a security company that boasts of having a response time of three minutes or less.
I’ve thought that the media companies have a lot of influence on our youth both with the movies and the video games. I’ll ask my nephew tomorrow about his thoughts on this as he is a current young person being raised here.
Have to concur with the gangs using youths because of the slap on the hand they receive rather than an actual sentence for the crime that would be given to an “adult”.
It did not take long for HOG, oh, D. Hogg to start up his gun horse cr@p. I am not being snide nor snarky but someone needs to do a DNA test on that person. His facial structure reminds me of a 1939 person who was declared dead but according to recent records was a live an living in Argentina.
Was alive in the in 1940’s, should have stated.
an missed my call sign
Remember, they took the Bible out of school in early 1960’s.
That is when things started going down hill, and hasn’t stopped yet.
People also have stopped going to church.
Think about it.
“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”
2 Chronicles 7:14 NIV
Unrestrained Evil in peoples souls are the reason for increased school shootings. However I suspect given the lack of recent “Visibility” of the Anti-Gun crowd (Mr. Hogg and such) that this is an Provoked/Guided Incident to promote Public Disgust and Anger at “Gun Owners”.
Watch what the combined Media says. When all speak from the same script a Anti-Gun Push is ongoing. They need the Sheeple to hear the same message over and over again. As Hitler’s Propaganda Minister said “Tell a Lie Often enough they will Believe it”.
Or as Obama’s side kick (current Mayor of Chi-town) used to say “Never let an Incident go to waste and if needful create that incident”.
Stay alert, the Deep State seems to be even more blatant than normal.
Is it just a coincidence?
But this past school shooting, another one or two I read today (let alone the ‘normal’ shootings that don’t get headlines)
And the UN just finished up with their week long anti-g u n meetings this week.
How.many of these shootings are staged to pass the NWO agenda? 2030
Just makes a person wonder…..
There is a saying about this “Once is a accident, twice is coincidence three times is enemy action”.
And just in someone wearing a MAGA Hat a Big American Flag and a Open Carried Pistol showed up to chat with Reporters and say “God Bless You’all” to various folks.
What reasonable Gun Owner would make such a exhibit of disrespect to a fresh school shooting? The police are there so your gun is not needed to save anybody. The screaming and crying parents are not going to like your glory hogging (maybe Mr. Hogg would love this) with a big flag and a gun.
Bet he doesn’t even get to take a trip to the Police HQ. Those “Get out of Jail” cards of the FBI are pretty effective. Somebody’s pushing pretty hard for “Reasonable” Gun control.
NHM,
IMHO the guy was a ‘plant’ by the gun control idiots. Did you notice the hat was new? No sweat stains. Was turned the ‘proper’ direction. And the flag was nice and bright.
False Flag? An effort by the anti-Trump scum? The same people that are supporting mr. hogg. (Lower case on purpose)
‘We’ are being played. Most that visit MSB are awake. The rest in this country have the ‘deer in the headlights look’, for a reason.
1) tons more antidepressants…..Have heard several surveys reported on radio which surveyed high school/junior students…Found that sixty to eighty per cent on prescription mood altering drugs..most on several. That does not even include alcohol or street drugs Seems to me, that some dogged research by some journalists has found that every mass shooter has been on cocktails of prescribed mood altering drugs (again , does not even include illegal/off shelf ones)
2) time and again, I hear/read the expression…..”shooting up a school is like shooting fish in a barrel”…It is true. Students are not allowed any guns/knives/ teachers neither…
3) from a kids first day at preschool, they are taught/told to shut up and sit still. Taught not to question….Taught not to cause a ruckus….Taught to be part of the “collective”….. Not a good recipe for survival in a dangerous situation……..
4) Kids aren’t allowed /encouraged to fail…(in most educational situations even school track and field days are not awarded winners now….but “participation” medals)….—where do they learn the joy/satisfaction/skill of striving to learn skills/physical abilities and the thrill of accomplishing coming in first? Where do they learn that if they are not able to come in first it is not the “end of the world”…–maybe they are good at something else etc
5) there is so much PC (politically correctness) expected/insisted upon these days, in school and elsewhere….many are afraid to mention something/someone “out of place”, because it is a good bet they will be blasted all over the media/human rights watch for being some type of awful politically incorrect heinous person.
It seems coincidence to me that a armed citizen just a few days ago saved kids from a shooter. Basically no MSM coverage. So now of course a “shooter” kills many kids. Lots of MSM coverage and plenty of wrong information thrown out about the type of guns. I am not saying it didn’t happen, I am saying why and what was the real motive. It just seems odd. Is there something deeper and darker happening? Are they really that set on taking away guns they would enable or allow this to happen? There had to have been warning signs if that kids was really that unstable. Somebody saw him get supplies. Something smells.
Anonymous, Yes it does SMELL! He wears a TRENCH COAT to school from day one with Nazi and Communist pins and NOBODY says anything?
I guess they forgot about “see something say something”
blackjack22 05/18/2018 5:27 PM
Anonymous, Yes it does SMELL! He wears a TRENCH COAT to school from day one with Nazi and Communist pins and NOBODY says anything?
I guess they forgot about “see something say something”
Yeah but if he was praying or saying the pledge of allegiance it damn sure would have been a problem.
poorman,
Yet, if he had worn a MAGA hat or NRA T-shirt he would still be undergoing mental evaluations after being banned from entering school property.
I just bought a London Fog trench coat today (for $7.50) at The Good Will Store, should people start worrying about me packing lots of guns???
“It seems coincidence to me that a [sic] armed citizen just a few days ago saved kids from a shooter.”
Actually, an armed person just saved “kids from a school” shooter. God had nothing to do with it.
I’m a strongly pro a gun atheist, so I can’t blame school shooters on god (except, if I was a theist, I could point out that the Bible says god created everything, including evil), but I do blame murder on humans and not inanimate objects like guns.
Nobody in this comment mentioned God, or blamed school shooters on Him. I don’t think anyone in this thread has blamed school shooters on God.
Might want to work on your reading comprehension.
Nice one.
Thank you Lauren
Dan,
You speak of God as though you know Him.
I’ve never seen an atheist profess his/her belief system without referencing God.
Makes you wonder…
I was disciplined as a kid if I did not behave like I should. That discipline was every thing from scolding to loosing all of my privileges to getting my butt whipped. My parents loved me and wanted me to love them but they DEMANDED that I respect them. I was not given a choice. The younger generation has not been taught respect. Respect for people, including their self, principles, property or even life. I was a rebellious teenager but I knew there was a line I never cross because my parents taught me so. I have carried a knife since the age of 8 and even got in a couple of fist fights but never tried to kill or cut anyone. There was a time in my life when I was not one of the good guys. This was not my parents fault, I was taught better. I still knew there was a line you never cross. I was a hard a$$ dad to my boys. Often they did not like me, but I did my best to teach them right from wrong. Just like my parents did with me.
We as a society have been going down hill since the 60’s. There is no one or two reasons why, there is a slue of reasons why.
U.S. coming off the GOLD standard.
wages staying flat or rising only a little.
Two parents having to work instead of just one, just to maintain the same standard of living.
increase in Gov. regulations/ taxes (Both Federal, State, and local), which takes money OUT of the economy and increases the cost of living.
More openness/ experimentation in school curriculum, which results in the DUMBING DOWN
of the WHOLE education system.
Increased use of computers to teach.
less respect for ” HUMAN LIFE”
more attention put on medicating our way out of a problem.
you get the picture………don’t you?
BJ 22
Sure do.
We are one drugged up society.
Big pharma and the FDA just love it.
Goob ran and supported agencies.
The best thing we can do as a nation is destroy this corrupt goobment, and get the hell.away from them.
Anyone see.the college.grad from Kent State getting her picture taken with an ar10.supporting g u n rights?
Yeah, she’s being threatened already. Cool thing is Oath Keepers will provide protection if she.wants it.
What a f’ed up country we live in now.
I wish I could.find it. The only thing I remember is,
– I remember going to school parking in the school parking lot with a rifle.in the truck’s rifle rack and the.principle asking me to invite him to go hunting.-
(I remember going to school parking in the school parking lot with a rifle.in the truck’s rifle rack)
Same here, a friend and I would go hunting before school. It was no big deal and almost every day there was a truck with a gun in the back window at school.
In wood shop one guy made a gun case for his handgun and was only told to make sure the handgun was unloaded on school property.
Go ahead, give em all a participation trophy, they are all special, can do no wrong, parents are not engaged with their spawn yet give em whatever they want.
Keep it up
NHM
We may need these caches sooner than later
there is something else, weird, about almost all of these mass shootings in past couple yrs. Am not sure this applies to all, but it does apply to a lot of them. From what I can recall (including this one), they have all had made bombe /IEDs/Pressure cooker bombs, at home/in their vehicles. Now, thank God they did not set them off..But….who goes to the effort of securing materials/making bombs, and then does not use them? Seems weird.
It’s never just one thing but a combination of circumstances in our society:
Decay of our moral values.
Single parent families.
Erosion of the family unit.
Lack of personal responsibility for one’s actions.
No training or understanding of having respect for others.
Liberal teachers and liberal agendas in our public school systems (lack of discipline and/or punishment).
The loss of proven (over time) solid American Conservative values.
Found it
The REAL Difference Between High School In 1970 vs 2015. This is Crazy.
1970 vs 2015
Scenario 1: Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck’s gun rack.
1970 — Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack’s shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2015 — School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.
Scenario 2: Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1970 — Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2015 — Police called and SWAT team arrives — they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it.
Scenario 3: Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1970 —Jeffrey sent to the Principal’s office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2015 —Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The school gets extra money from the state because Jeffrey has a disability.
I think Zee was the only one to agree with me. I think it’s the video games… There is a person, way too closely related to me, who is now in state prison for astonishing acts of violence. He had good parents, married; to each other. Traditional values, fear of God, great school district, super intelligent kid, etc. He has been violent since before discovering drugs. Never been on an SSRI’s either. But Lord have mercy!!! He was crawling out of his crib at ten months old to get at a computer. His entire life he has acted as if he has five ‘extra’ lives and “God Power” enabled at all times.
I agree with you–It’s just become a habit to avoid the video game topic because it makes believers go rabid when challenged. The response (when you can get a rational response out of them) is to pull out all kinds of “studies” that show video games increase hand-eye coordination, yada yada yada. When I point out that they didn’t address the issue (desensitization by constant exposure to violence and violent behavior) they go rabid. Again.
Lauren,
It’s true about the hand-eye coordination. I’ve read credible stories of how the US Military picks only the most skilled gamers… to fly their armed drone missions. Apparently the kids pick it right up. They can sit at a Lockheed fire control console for extended periods of time, living on Red Bull and M&M’s. They have zero compunction about flying up close and personal and ‘wasting a tango’, before high-fiving each other. I really don’t care what any ‘believer’ says or thinks. I’ve seen it up in my face.
I;m on the computer right now with a bag of M&M’s next to me, is that a bad thing???
It was a bag, now it’s like 1/2 a bag…
Not too sure the video game thing has merit. I seem to remember reading a lot of articles that said video games make people violent being looked into by a (get this) good reporter and all the dozens of articles all linked to one a paper that was agenda-driven and had no facts to back it up.
On a personal level I play a few video games, my Son plays them ALL THE TIME as do dozen’s of people I know and not a single one of them clubs cats or dogs, or is mad at the world. They all have jobs, work, pay their bills just like the rest of us.
I think the video game thing is more people wanting it to be so then any proof.
Again that annoying Anonymous thing!!!!
Chuck Findlay
McGyver ; Yup, them too! Computer games are another reason kids are the way they are. The games desensitize the kids/young adults about human lives.
Maybe it’s time to rethink the idea of school as a helpful, necessary and beneficial place because often it is not. Not only do kids get fed with biased and often useless information (most of literature and math taught has no practical applications in life or careers) but they are also confined in an unnatural environment with hundreds or even a thousand students. That’s not what natured intended especially if they come from different backgrounds, have different interests and are different. It is a breeding ground for problems and some unfortunately turn to foolish acts of violence. I recommend that when a kid says to his or her parents that he or she doesn’t want to go to school, don’t force him or her. Better to change schools or, home school and take a break permanently or at least for a year or two.
Unfortunately many parents have bought into the illusion that they’re not “qualified” to teach their children. My response to this is usually some version of “So you want your kids ruined by the same school system that made you unqualified to teach them? You can learn.”
One other contrast just came to mind.. early 1970’s. I’m in first grade, using the head. A bunch of 5th graders were crowded together and one asks me: “Hey kid, wanna see my gun?” Both alarmed and intrigued, I took a peek and the big kid had what looked like a Saturday night special. My dad was ex-Marine and LEO, so gun safety had been drilled into me, while still in the womb. I stepped out and found a teacher, told her a big kid in the head had a gun. Teacher rolled her eyes and went stomping into the boys room. A few seconds later she comes marching out with aforementioned big kid, grabbed up by a twisted ear, yelping for mercy, and frog marched into the principals office. The ‘gun’ was one of those ring-cap types with the cylinder that rotated when the hammer was pulled back. Well eff me, it looked real enough. Can you imagine such a scene today?
McGyver,
I know you don’t think of yourself as a youngster, but when I was in the first grade (albeit small town Texas) in 1956, most all the boys brought their toy replica six shooters, complete with fast draw holsters to school. We held some major battles during recess on the playground. We were watched over by teachers smoking their cigarettes. Now days toy guns are banned, smoking is banned, teachers are having sex with their students, and kids are killing kids. Must be that progress thing liberals talk about.
Not anonymous, that’s me, Dennis
oops! auto fill stooled me off
Chrome does that. A lot. Site seems to be dumping cookies today, thought it was just me.
Dennis
Lol
I personally hate getting stooled off.
But ’tis better
than getting stooled on
Joe c,
What’s the old saying? “Rather be shot at and missed, than sh*t at and hit “
and more parents are killing their children……
And more children are killing their parents and siblings. At least a few lately had MSM reported psychoactive drugs and heavy war gaming involved.
IF you have a solid parenting environment and KNOW reality from fantasy war games are not a problem. And I strongly suspect your also NOT on psychoactive drugs.
No parenting, mentally and morally confused on psychoactive drugs and a heavy war gamer….. OY Vaaayyyy
What Has Changed In Society Making School Shootings Common Place?
First I suspect things like this always went on, not to today’s level, but it was always there. It’s just today we have access to info like no time in history. And the 24/7 news cycle that never stops feeds on things like this. And it plays into their agenda of taking away guns.
As to why it happens I would say the destruction of the family is a big part. Feminism with it’s no-fault divorce, woman can do no wrong, men are guilty because they are scum. And a lot of men will never get married once the court system (and the family courts are very hostile to men) divorce rapes them so we have an epidemic single-mothers that demonize the father in front to the child. You can’t watch a commercial break on any TV channel without seeing men made fools of. You see the same thing in almost every show on TV, in almost every movie made today. How can you expect a child to trust, respect a man with 24/7 anti-man programming being pumped into them?
Children need both parents and we don’t have that for an ever-growing part of the population.
Hi Chuck,
You said: “You can’t watch a commercial break on any TV channel without seeing men made fools of. You see the same thing in almost every show on TV, in almost every movie made today.”
I would only further clarify that it is predominately WHITE men who made to look as fools on TV in general. Typically the scene involves a wizened ‘brotha’ who takes pity on the poor idiot fool and straightens him out. Tell me I’m wrong. :>)
Or a woman (as young as five in some cases) that takes pity on the poor fool and helps him. Doesn’t straighten him out (since in the script that’s impossible) but at least makes sure he has clean laundry.
I find it highly ironic that the “feminist” social focus allows women to do what they consider menial tasks in order to emphasize the inability of men to care for themselves.
Nah, in my home, we both do menial tasks. Laundry and dishes we share. Household stuff she looks after. But when the plumbing croaks out, or anything needs repair or attention outside… she just points and says: “thank you”. In 3 days it will be 27 years together. She doesn’t have any interest in ‘feminism’ thank God! But she will put a whooping on someone if circumstances warrant. Life – in balance.
( In my home, we both do menial tasks. Laundry and dishes we share. Household stuff she looks after. )
That sounds a bit lopsided to me. She has you doing 50% of the house work but it sounds like she does zero% of the home repairs.
I guess it works for both of you, but it seems to be working a bet better for her then you.
You do 50% of the house work, she should do 50% of the home repair & upkeep. That’s what a 50/50 relationship should be
anonymous,
Yeah, but… she has to deal with me. It balances out.
I do 90% of all chores, inside and out. I do this because DW is not able to. DW is diabetic and in kidney failure and still works 40+ hours a week. A marriage should never be 50%/50%. It should be 100%/100%.
(A marriage should never be 50%/50%. It should be 100%/100%.)
That’s is wrong and at the same time right.
Each person should give 100% effort, but division of task should be 50/50.
Feminist talk delivers a confusing tale to woman. First it tells woman they are strong and can do anything men can do.
And then it also tells woman men are oppressive, and are keeping them down and it will use the court system to punish men.
Well what is it ladies, are you strong and able to handle what life throws at you.
Or are you Princes Buttercup that needs Big-Daddy-Government to step in and pound men into the ground?
Men do a “cost / benefit” analysis on things including relationships with woman. And the way men are treated , demonized, loose 1/2 to 3/4 of everything they own when a woman walks out (for the most part no real reason) the man just doesn’t see the benefit of a relationship.
Just over 50% of marriage ends in divorce, but of that 50% 82% of the time the woman is the instigator of the divorce. Dis I mention the way the man takes it up the tailpipe when they go to court?
This leads to one-parent homes for children and the mother telling the kid dad is a piece of garbage. My X-Wife did this to me. My Son was very hostile to me for years till he was 35 or so and he finally figured out Mom was lets say less then honest and in fact he figured out she was the one with problems. Many kids never figure this out.
And (give this some serious thought ladies before you jump ship) few men want to get involved with a single mother so once you kick your man aside, you are in for a life with no long-term man in it and cats.
When a man marries a single mother he knows he will always be second fiddle to the needs of the kid (s) and at the same time he will have to fork over a ton of money for said kid. Who in their right mind wants to do this???
And another thing that is foolish (but somehow most woman don’t see it) is the feminism mindset of job first (till she is 40ish) and then have a family.
News for you when you put family on the back-burner men look else ware. Few to no man wants to start a family in their 50’s. A successful 50-year old man can do much better then a 40-year old woman that has the baby rabies. He has something that makes him very attractive to younger woman, that being MONEY. Men are not attracted to successful woman, how much money a woman has is not a factor in a mans decision process. So don’t put a job before your family.
Men with the ever-growing divorce thing going on I have a bit of investment advice for you. Buy stock in cat food companies because cat food sales are on the rise…
My post may seem harsh, but that doesn’t make a single thing I said wrong, just unpalatable to the female ear .
Again for some reason the BBS is posting me (Chuck Findlay) as Anonymous.
It doesn’t seem to want to remember who I am?
Amen! Hallelujah! PREACH IT my brother!
Chuck F
I hear ya. Don’t get me started…..ok too late.
A marriage is only 70- 30 after a divorce,. Favor the woman.
I decided to divorce after 14 yrs of reading SEVERAL notes to her one boyfriend and several other friends after. I hung on til my son was older.
Crap came down to small $hit she wanted Example
the beautiful rosebush I had to dig up.
Ohh I dug it up alright…roots and all. In a clear plastic bag with water. The roots never touched water and it baked in the sun for a couple days, but she got it.
Present day,
Worked the day, (as we both do) came home, fed large live stock, fed dogs, cats. Trimmed some.bushes, Cut fallen trees. In the horse lot.
Had a beer, and hear.
Ya coulda fixed supper while I did (small animal) chores.
Well I coulda needed help clearing brush while I cut wood. She knew I was peed off when I kept quiet after that.
Know what we had for supper tonight?
Leftovers.
Ain’t nothing 50/50 in a relationship.
And we haven’t even touched financial issues.
Sorry ladies
Just a little bitterness hangs with me
My son is a grade school teacher who worries every day where he would hide 35 second graders in the event of a school shooting. He has tried to normalizing them quietly walking to a closet that he can lock and hopefully protect them with the mention of a special word. Fire drills make them all nervous because they don’t know if it a set up to get them all out in the open and fire on them. The teachers are just as afraid for the students as the parents are. They are trying to think of ways to keep children safe in a world that isn’t.
My 6 year old niece is not allowed to wear shoes that light to school next year because the light may give away where the children are in the case of a active shooting. Both of these things scare the hell out of me and they make me angry. My son is the last line of defense in the protection of 35, seven and eight year old CHILDREN. Believe me this weighs heavy on him and every teacher they work with. One of the ideas kicked out in our area was having retired vets and Leo’s hired to patrol the schools and school yards.
My worst fear is that people will just eventually become immune to seeing it on the news.
Kellie
I have thought of the teachers who hide a classroom of small kids in a closet, and seriously worry…—-if the shooter should get INTO the classroom….once again “sitting ducks”…
— re small kids like grades one and two, I wonder….most of these kids would be small enough to crawl into a large backpack…how about bullet proof backpacks?
—-also, and better — I think — Have large knotted ropes by all windows. At a “word” kids could practice scaling down these ropes. It could be a routine part of gym, and as well a regular classroom activity. It could be part of getting exercise in between sitting. Bet the kids would love it, and get to be like little monkeys scrambling down…
-(I think it is good your niece is not going to wear lighted shoes)
Remember when Bugz Bunny, Elmer Fudd, and Wile Coyote were classified as violent cartoons.
Yeah me neither……
Joe c. I once got excoriated by a super-liberal ’empowered’ woman on a cross-country flight… because I was wearing a Three Stooges t-shirt. She chewed my up one side and down the other for publicly promoting gratuitous, hurtful violence for the sake of comedy, misogyny, you-name-it .. She was dead-serious. I was maybe 23 at the time, head going in circles trying to not let it grow into a ‘scene’. The most unhinged, angry, and judgmental people I’ve ever met, are self-proclaimed ‘liberals’. Moe, Larry and Curly… those were my boys! How dare she.
bah,,, cookies.
Lol McGyver
Wondering how an Archie Bunker sitcom would fit into this world about now???
“Hey EeDitt! Get me a be-ahh!” “Shaddup Meathead!” Yeah, I used to have to sneak off to an upstairs room to watch All in the Family on an old B&W set. My leftist grandparents, God rest their souls… thought it was inappropriate viewing for a youngster. They were right. It ruined me.
Lol
I use to watch re-runs after school and before supper.
I remember.ma or pa Sayin,
Maybe u shouldn’t watch this.
Yeah I turned out bad, and I played video games and I still play the Wii which has VIOLENCE.
I’m an undesirable……,😎…..but I still have brains,.
Mmmm common sense.?
Joe C ; Yes I remember that, tried to get them taken off the air because, “they where too violent”.
I am a veteran of the United States Army. I have offered my services to the school board as a concealed carry security volunteer. I told the board I could function as a janitor, librarian or whatever. It was a big NO. Insurance blah blah blah. I don’t know why the school boards talk such a big game but can’t follow through with actual actions. I have seen evil, up close and personal. I think when a 17 year old girl can get an abortion without parental knowledge. WTF? The only way to stop an evil man is a good man with a gun. The Devil’s greatest trick is making us believe he doesn’t exist. He does exist. These school shootings break my heart, I mean that. I think the “False Flag” idea is ridiculous.
God Bless.
Doc
not Anonymous…..Doc
Doc, I believe many of the shootings were planned/encouraged by someone other than those who actually pulled the weapon out. I do believe people were hurt/killed. I also believe it is being done to manipulate the public. That is why the term false flag, because someone is running an agenda, ..against teh 2 A, and against our children and teachers, and against our society as a whole. …and against information that is being revealed. ..if an event big and bad enough the MSM can run that story and feeds off of it for 7-10 days…
I say this because many think that those who call events “false flag “are saying they did not happen…. that .. a non event,was not my reference to false flag at all. Just to clarify… I also agree that carrying on grounds and closing gun free zones will be the best way to stop this non sense of school shootings. They are never planned for carry zones, and they don’t happen at home schools.
JS
I agree
I have never heard of a mass shooting or terrorist attack at a gun show. But, they are not “Gun Free Zones”. You get what you want, then pay for it. Can you imagine a terrorist at a gun show yelling Allah whatever they say snackbar? If they weren’t sure about life after death, I believe they would find out rather quickly. 💀
wtf?
Old Man has a comment. He thinks the downslide started with the baby boomers (of which I am one). He said the “greatest generation” molly coddled their children (the boomers) because they didn’t want their kids to go through what they went through during the great depression and WWII. From there it was easy for the liberals to implement their agenda.
We are following the New Testament, 2 Timothy 3 to the letter. I know not all of you believe in God or the Bible, but my goodness, it is right on.
Sigh……………… all of the above and in a few years or so people will be numb to the new norm. We are in a changing world which will NEVER be the same as the one we loved and grew up in. All we can do is be proactive in our own life ( there are many ways ) and stay informed.
Peace an Health
FYI,
For those interested, a somewhat generic list of ‘mass shootings’ in the USA:
First recorded:
1764 Four Delaware Indians shot 10 children, Greencastle, PA
No more than 4 a year until……
1966 Austin,TX 17 people from observation deck UTA Tower
1991 Iowa City, IA 6 people, all degreed instructors
2005 Red Lake, MN Dumbass 16 year old with a grudge
2007 Blacksburg, VA Chinese student, Virginia Tech
2012 Sandyhook 28 people
2015 Roseburg, OR 10 people
2018 Parkland, FL 17 people
2018 Santa Fe, TX 10 people
Anybody see anything in that list?
Have ‘weapons’ got that viscous?
Has the water gotten that bad?
Was it when McDonalds started the $1 meal?
Was it interest rates?
No, wait, I know! It was when the dumb-butt pansy-assed libturds voted in the useless judges!
Or could it be the gutless, head-up-the-arse lawyers gave up law support for dollars.
Hmmmmm……maybe it’s just scumbag, low-life, welfare sleeze-bags that outnumber tax payers. Whatever it is…..it is obvious that they outnumber tax payers. We loose…….
1. The Lack of Community Involvement and Support.
Undesirables go unnoticed. People know nothing about their neighbors and instead rely on the system to fix their community’s problems. No one notices when a community member has started down a dark path.
2. Culture of Violence
Violence has become glorified in all forms of media. Violence is presented as a solution instead of a problem. Our culture has embraced violence in entertainment like movies. Our society continues to promote violent sports like MMA, football and others. Violence in video games continues to become more extreme.
3. Culture of Death
Our society has begun to embraced death. Abortion has become acceptable, even to the point of partial birth terminations. We give up on life to easy, out of fear of suffering.
4. Mental Health
Since communities are weaker, no one notices someone having issues. If they do notice, then once again they just complain to the police, who legally can do very little until things actually get bad. These individuals seek out help from Doctors who have no attachment to their patients, but then close friends and family are left out of the loop.
5. Parents are no longer parents.
Most parents no longer discipline their children. Instead they just complain and do everything they can to let others raise their children. Most parents do not make their children work for anything anymore. Parents are poor role models.
6. Culture of Entitlement.
Parents teach their kids everything should be fair, even though life is not fair. Meanwhile the parents feel entitled to things they have not earned (Generational Theft). No one knows how to suffer anymore, which leads to unhealthy reactions when things go badly.
7. The Destruction of Traditional Values.
Our society has moved away from God, Family and Church. Morals are now subjective. Most Churches will be empty in 15 years. Self-reliance has become none existent.
8. Emotional Overload
People let their emotions drive them, instead of logic. Hence why many blame…inanimate objects for issues in our society. Fear makes people to make ridiculous decisions and look for easy fixes. Fear makes people surrender their rights.
No one issue can lead to these mass killings. But when poor mental health combines with the state of our society. Are we really surprised?
Children are children.
Most of the comments here acknowledge that while a child may be intelligent that child still has to learn.
And that appropriate behavior has to be both modeled to a child and learned by a child. “Train up a child . . . And when he is OLD . . .”
Children may be capable of many things but by definition are immature. Maturation takes time.
A dear friend who is a senior educator commented to me after one of last year’s shootings the wish that teen suicide would have remained just suicide. That educator views the current trend of multiple deaths and injuries as a change in the process or style of suicide – kill others then yourself, or kill others until you manage to commit suicide by cop.
What most of these shooters have in common – a sense of isolation and being unloved more severe than what most of us feel at that age – they also have in common with young people who committed suicide 50 years ago when I was a teenager.
When one of my children was in high school two friends committed suicide about a year apart. At the time research indicated that the strongest predictive factor for teen suicide was knowing someone who committed suicide. I more intensely watched, prayed, and fiercely loved that child for several years after that to try to ward off any such thing happening. Today that child is a happy, productive adult.
Given that today’s teens have huge numbers of acquaintances that they regularly communicate with (in ways we hardly imagined even a few years ago) children are far more exposed to and feel significantly more connected to the tragedies in others’ lives than I and the little group I ran around with ever did.
So many of these incidents IMO are just stupid and sad, like that Tulalip 14 yo who killed himself over losing a girlfriend and wanted to have his cousins and friends with him on the other side.
On the other hand, these are murder-suicides.
A study found that over a 10-year period 1999-2008, there were 307,204 suicides, 151,594 murders, and 6,693 murder-suicides in the U.S.
Nearly all the murder-suicides were committed by adult men against their female partners and family members.
There are two schools of thought on suicide and murder-suicide causation – social isolation and imitation.
I wonder if the only things that have really changed are location (from parents’ homes or the woods on the edge of town after school to the school building during the day) and the media’s appetite for any story that might put gun ownership in America at further risk.
And I wonder if modeling and encouraging inclusive, caring behavior would save a few more lives each year.
My ramblings on the subject.
Hey Ken, Sorry if I use this forum so I can post some advice to the kid.
To Dennis: I loved your post, by the way. I saw the same things happen in my younger years in California. I became a cop while my brother became a drug dealer. These things happen within large families.
To the shooter kid:
Boy, you have shown real proficiency with firearms. How are you at dealing with improvised weapons like shanks, batteries inside pillowcases, wet towels wrapped tight and multiple attackers? It will be a long time before you see a guy with a gun unless you can see him in a tower. By the way, you have lost all privileges to access a firearm for the rest of your days. Get used to sunshine through plexiglass and razor wire.
I hope you like guys because you will be around lots of them in Gen Pop. (General Population). If you get tired of being raped in the showers, you can file a petition and be sent to the SHU (Segregated Housing Unit) for purposes of Ad Seg. (administrative Segregation) Those 3 words should become part of your vocabulary – if you can read by the way.
I work on the floor so have no fear. I will get there just in time to write a report on what happened after the fact. ( kind of like the police outside butt I do not carry a gun either. I have had years of practice dealing with new fish like you. You are just another tale of wasted youth.)
If you try to get the insanity plea, good luck because that is highly dependent on the budget. States will spend on average 3-4 times amount of money per bed space for a mental patient as opposed to a convict in prison. During times of recession or economic turmoil, crazy people and those that are unknown are shunted into prisons as the waste bin of society. ( excuse me: Department of Corrections not Prisons.) This is when it is a good time to keep track of what happens in your State Legislature. You will have better luck with your appeal with a Democrat in the Governor’s Chair as opposed to the Republican.
Some out there will say: “lock them up and throw away the key.” That is stupid. Then you make me call a locksmith.
I am the holder of the keys. Welcome to my world Son. We give you 3 hots and a cot. Nothing extra.
To livin in the woods:
I did hear of a drunken soldier returning from a night in the nearby town to his base in Aviano Italy grabbing a megaphone and chanting “Allah Hu Akbar” at 5 am. outside the tent where his unit was sleeping.
Their unit was rotating out from Afghanistan.
Arab Comedian named Ansari had a routine about naming his child “Jihad” so one day, if his child got lost in the grocery store…
Its simple. The Internet.
Increased resolve to eliminate 2A.
Distract attention from Trump’s successes.
Keeps crisis actors employed.
Liberal indoctrination and Social media.
Lack of religion and moral consequences. Lack of parental role models whereby adults act as adults and not friends – that is what the peers are for. Divorce, single parents, substance abuse, parents laid off work or are considered disposable workers vs a couple of generations ago whereby one could graduate, work, get a job, get married, have kids, afford a house, retire at 65 with a pension (making way for the next generation), and retired persons were not considered a drain on society but elders who retired at 65 and deserved their golden years. Respect for elders, lack of grandparents in the children’s lives to add stability. Also, multiple generations of people who have taken illegal drugs and damaged the genetic material. Susie and Bobby rebelled in the 60s and took drugs but their parents did not. Damage to Susie and Bobby were passed on to Billy and Barbara in the second generation who just had to try stronger pot and maybe cocaine or anything else. Billy and Barbara grew up to find partners (now not married) and produce children who are the fourth generation of persons using illegal drugs in their teens and 20s. Genetic damage has been multiplied and DNA has been damaged over 5 generations. Now the last 2 generations have never entered a church, are atheists, do not believe in the 10 commandments and when they talk about a school shooting it is ‘the shooting happened and it is too bad it happened’ whereas their great grandparents would have said ‘I shot so and so’. There is no personal responsibility and it is not only the family at fault but society as grandpa had a secure job but the last two generations did not and need far more education to move widgits at work than the latest generation which has graduated, more illiterate, but with higher education and more debt. Grandpa and Grandma were able to graduate with no debt and as adults assume a mortgage whereas with the latest generation they are paying student loans and a mortgage at the same time. Add the post world war two plastics that are gender benders, the fact that people are having children later in life (in part due to the job situation and cost of living) and there is more genetic damage. Also, people are scared of neighbours (they could be drug dealers) and do not mingle the way previous generations did and elders fear youth and do not want to give them guidance as they may be sued. Most kids today who are not raised in religion probably have no idea what the proverbs are. Universal teenaged angst could be tempered with wisdom by those who cared which could lead to a delayed response rather than a trigger happy response of today. Many kids in previous generations most likely had the same feelings of hate at times but a pause in reaction could have been the salvation from sin and tragedy for all concerned.
During earlier periods, people could simply walk into a hardware store and buy a rifle. Buying a rifle or pistol through a mail-order catalog — such as Sears, Roebuck & Co.’s — was easy. Often, a 12th or 14th birthday present was a shiny new .22-caliber rifle, given to a boy by his father.
Guns haven’t changed. People have changed.
Read this related article,
An 82-Year-Old Patriot Reflects On “Past Versus Present Americans”
We knew video games we becoming more violent, but it was not until recently that we were made aware of one specifically set for schools.
It is set where you are the bad person who gathers up your weapons & a m m o to go into the
s.c..h.o.o.l score your points on the amount of k I a’s you put dn in this setting. Yes,,, it is out there, but is NOT discussed on FAKE media who are drunk on their on horse c. r. a. p.