Have They Just Found A Cure For COVID 19 Coronavirus?

Chloroquine is a medication used to prevent and to treat malaria. It might also cure covid coronavirus.
( Chloroquine )


3 International Studies Find Chloroquine with Azithromycin Shows 100% Success Rate in Treating Coronavirus in 6 Days.

Malaria drug Chloroquine kills Coronavirus in 100% of patients in clinical trials in 1-6 days. Some as soon as 3 days.

This is NOT 100% certain Coronavirus cure. However I wanted to make you aware of this developing news:

This drug combination (which is apparently generic and available today as we speak), would save LOTS of lives. That’s the good news (if further testing proves out).

I also would like to suggest that “if” this becomes the miracle cure, COVID-19 Coronavirus is already out there. This won’t change that at all.

The system is, and will still be breaking down all around us. So don’t let your guard down.

It is still just as contagious. This will not change the fact that it is going hyperbolic. People will still get sick. JIT and other systems will still break down. They’re crashing all around us right now.

Businesses are closing. The economics of the mess. The shortages of food and supplies (which will continue to get worse).

Continue to finalize your last preps. Close the gate when it’s time…

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  1. If this works, being a generic drug, the stock market is going to take off like a spring-loaded projectile.
    There are two main issues with Covid-19, the health issue and the economic issue. This could be the silver bullet.

    1. The stock market did not crash because of the COVID-19 the first quarterly report will be out next month. No one knows how the car, boat etc… sales were in the last three month. But we knew in Dec. that the oil price would crash, and predicted all this crash.
      And now the VIRUS (timing).

  2. Let’s hope so. Personally, I am NOT keen on vaccines…..just me. I do get a tetanus shot every ten years, but that’s about it. I have LOTS of questions about them (vaccines).

    1. DJ5280

      From what I understand, this is a treatment, not a vaccine. It wouldn’t prevent coronavirus, it would cure it after you get it. If you make it to the hospital in time that is.

        1. Maybe, maybe not. If you were on a regular dose and took it regularly it could work (if it is proven effective). Gonorrhea used to be treatable with penicillin.

          As a young medic in Vietnam I gave out and took Chloroquine on a daily basis and another drug called mefloquine on a weekly basis. both were to prevent development of malaria. A frequent side effect was diarrhea which caused many soldiers to skip the med.
          I also gave out a lot of penicillin for gonorrhea as it was a problem with the majority of the prostitutes. Somehow the prostitutes got the idea that if they took a penicillin pill daily they wouldn’t get gonorrhea. The problem here was that those who had it were not taking a dose large enough to kill it. The gonorrhea developed resistance to it.

          If chloroquine has the potential that we hope it does regular use as a prophylactic could also cause resistance.

    2. Yes, it is a treatment. I wasn’t very clear on my response. There has been talk of developing a vaccine in the future. That is what I am not sure about ever getting. I did hear that using this quinine drug had a success rate of 30 out of 30 – improving the patient;’s condition. Correct?

      1. DJ5280,
        Go to the link I mentioned above over at 0-hedge. The results of the study showed that the treatment protocol with chloroquine and azithromycin were very good.
        Vaccine? yeah, that is a ways out. Like you, I am very skeptical. I do get flu shots, and have had Hep A&B, Shingles, and pneumonia vaccinations. But a new vaccine? nah, I’ll let that one get proven for a couple of years first.

  3. Saw this on one of the Coronavirus updates w/ President Trump.
    Wonder how closely that it’s related to the malaria drug mentioned by Mrs. U.
    Just curious as to why, if it can cure it, that cannot initially prevent it from taking hold in your system if it’s in your system upon initial exposure to the virus.

    1. Plus it’s just the ones in intensive care that will get the cure. People that just get the sniffles will just keep walking around with it and share it with all they meet. Unless they test 330 million Americans and treat all who have it.

      1. Here’s my take on it.
        Its irresponsible as Hell to release the Information and here’s why.
        The only thing the low Information, non critical thinking, clueless sheep just heard is there is a “CURE” now. So any and all bad behavior, poor choices and close contact social interaction are back on the menu.
        Cuz hey, if I get “sick” I can go to theMcMedic”
        Drive through to get my cure and pick up my “Happy Meal” all at the same time!
        Oh,and Orange man bad…

        1. Very true! Way too soon to announce it. Especially since it’s not proven yet.

          On the other hand, the announcement could just be a ploy to instill hope that isn’t there. The ship could be sinking and they’re grasping at anything they can to stay afloat.

          There’s room on that door for Jack, but Rose isn’t going to move over for him! 😝

          1. The ‘hope’ they are offering…is for the stock market to recover. These announcements seem to do that, eh?

        2. I don’t think it is. People are terrified of this invisible enemy. Our world has been turned upside down and we are on the precipice of a societal collapse. This gives them hope.

          The people of today are not made of the same metal that lived thru the Great Depression so they need assurances. Trumps primary purpose when at the podium is to instill confidence, hope and be the head cheerleader of the people who are on the front lines. It really pizz me off when these are chair critics, who most likely never had the opportunity to lead people into adversity.

          I personally have a smidgen of relief from this news

  4. Ken if this works out it will be the best news the world has ever got.Yeah I understand lots of damage already done deaths and economics etc, but it could be the light at the end of the tunnel instead of Just the end! I’m glad I just turned back on to MSB.

  5. This shouldn’t be a political topic but when I was listening to the press conference and they were explaining this treatment the liberal press was insinuating that Trump’s reference to “the China virus” was racist. I want to hear about this treatment, not some little brain trying to politicize it and turn it into a Trump-bash.
    Hats off to Governor Cuomo of New York and Governor Newsom of California, political opposites of the president, to work together in a non-partisan effort to deal with the crises.

  6. so…just wondering….

    is Chloroquine something I may need for my pet…? Could I get it at my local pet store?

    Think I’ve heard some folks treat their pets with Azithromycin ? Local Pet store?

    1. JF,
      I read about pets being low risk, CDC website?
      At any rate, your veterinarian should be able to answer.

    2. Jane AZ can be purchased from Fish Mox Fish Flex. It is the most costly of the anti’s I buy.

    3. Be very careful! Many drugs we use can poison your pet, even kill them. Always, ALWAYS call your veterinarian first!!!

    4. Nobody with any sense of values would consider obtaining a life saving treatment for a pet when there are people in need of that treatment.

    5. Azithromycin is the same as a Z-Pak. People take this antibiotic for all types of bacterial infections (sinus, URI, etc.).

    6. This doesn’t seem to be a problem with dogs. I certainly would not treat pets with this as a prophylactic as it could cause resistance that could jump to humans.

      The World Health Organization determined that there was no reason to quarantine dogs. so let me make this clear.

      WHO let the dogs out!

  7. Been looking online for chloroquine manufacturers. the majority of the ones I saw were in India. One in Germany. didn’t Indian just come out the other day and say they were going to curtail export of medicines made in their country????
    It is great that this study was conducted and the results put out. (Hats off to the French). there are other drug treatments in the works in this, and other countries.
    Important point that Ken made in the article about being vigilant. Yes there might be a cure, but the virus is here and the cure is not widely distributed yet. So hang in there.
    thanks for the update Ken, It gives us some hope this pandemic can be shortened.



      It’s still the same. Highly contagious and infectious. ALL of the problems we’ve seen of late (and more to come) are due to the hyperbolic curve of contagion that will overwhelm most all systems. People will still get this virus.

      All this remedy would do, is treat the symptoms AFTER already having gotten sick. That’s “IF” it works in continued testing. Yes, it will save countless lives (if it works). And “IF” they can manufacture enough of it quickly.

      We’ll see how this progresses.

      I no way will this lessen what is about to come due to the surrounding effects of this virus (other than saving lives – which is huge of course…).

      1. Ken,
        My diatribe was not aimed at you. Far from it. I believe most here know it is just more Information to help us make good decisions.
        It’s just too early for them to make these claims. Just because it kills it doesn’t mean it will work for all who are sick.
        I can claim I have a cure to kill the virus too. It’s in the bleach sanitizing bottle on my table. I’m “technically” not lying am I? How will these people react if it doesn’t do what they claim it will do. An another wave of panic and hysteria will ensue. Another here shared cases by age in their area. Did anyone notice how many between 30-50 infected? A larger number then what they spouted since the beginning.
        It’s the same with their death rate percentage. If you did your business/personal taxes that way you would be explaining your “creative bookkeeping ” to the IRS.
        I’m a trust but verify type of guy.
        Problem is I dont trust those who are reporting because they have been proven to be liars for the past 3 years.
        So, we will be hanging out at home for awhile…

        1. Bill Jenkins Horse,

          I see your point. Don’t want to give people ‘false hope’ , then they let their guards down. You are right, that is human nature. but…….
          I think TPTB are trying to put out some “hope” with all the other messages about this virus. Why hope? I have found over the years that if you only deliver “bad news”, without hope, people become distraught to the point where they give up. if they have a little hope, they can keep fighting. I think psychologists probably have some fancy term for this, I sure as heck don’t know what that is, but I know this to be true.
          I have suffered from life long depression. I learned early on to focus on whatever “hope” I could in my life, every day, no matter how bleak it looked. Truthfully, if I was not able to do that, my life would have ended long ago. Hope can be a very powerful tool to keep everyone in the battle. just my 2 cents worth.

          1. Minerjim,
            I understand hope can be a good thing. No doubt about it.
            Let me explain what happened.
            Our group member family that just arrived yesterday have a daughter who is almost 16. She is not happy they are quarantined for a month. She apparently saw this story on her phone. She texts my grandson and granddaughter that she doesn’t see why they need to be Quarantined. There’s a “cure”if you get sick. My grandson shows me the text. Apparently my granddaughter texts her dad about it.
            To say my son was pissed is an understatement.
            More transpired but the girls phone was taken from her until Monday.
            So yeah, I was a little miffed myself about it earlier…

          2. BJH,
            Oh, yeah, now I get it. Sheesh, some people’s kids! She’ll get it eventually, hopefully it’s not when a young friend succumbs to this virus. Carry on.

          1. CR,
            The math is easy to figure out.
            They keep adding numbers without resolution but doing the percentage like there is resolution. That is the problem. They could get an accurate percentage but they really don’t want to. No one wants to really know right now. The same attitude of if we dont test there’s no cases.
            This country hires census workers to count 300+million people with all types of Information gathered.
            It wouldn’t be too hard to follow up on a fixed10,000 cases across the country to their resolution. Percentage of infected people hospitalized (15-20% according to their estimates. )for care. Out of the 10,000 how many died. The math can be done in your head to get the percentage.
            According to their mantra 1.4% so for their percentage to be correct there should only be 140 fatalities and 9 ,860 happy endings.
            Even a 1,000 fixed cases.150-200 people hospitalized.
            14 dead. 986 happy endings.
            Their percentages are to placate the panicked…

          2. BJH
            Your group had better watch that young lady. Have a bad feeling that she will try something stupid when she thinks no one is paying attention.

            Wanted to give you a heads up. Call it an ESP thing.

    2. I think the preferred form of chloroquine is hudroxychloroquine because of fewer side effects. There seem to be several manufacturers.



  8. All very valid points, I understand difference between cure and prevention of course. And I for one will stay vigilant and home.But this might be a ray of hope .

    1. Yes, it might be a ray of hope if one of us actually gets the virus. But I sure as heck don’t want to get it – especially after reading several horrifying stories from those who have gone through it. Therefore nothing has changed regarding my current and future mitigation plans.

      1. Even if one who gets this virus and is successfully treated they will still have permanent lung damage.

        1. Your lungs will heal over time (years).
          I had lung damage and scarring from having Bronchitis and Pneumonia as a kid.
          I saw a recent x-ray of my lungs and they looked normal, no fibrosis, no scarring.
          Heavy smokers have quit and within time, nice pink lungs…

          1. Jabba,
            True, albeit, still prone to COPD. Just wondering if the lungs recuperate well, in time, will they still have the lingering issues later on?

          2. Jabba, don’t make statements that can’t be backed up. As some one with permanent lung damage from smoking for too many years I dispute your facts. Bronchitis and pneumonia don’t typically cause scarring. Heavy smokers can get healthy if they quit soon enough meaning before the damage is done.

      2. Ken, I agree 100% with you,about current mitigation.But if one of us gets the virus, I am sure no matter how careful , clean, isolated we are, a certain % of us probably will get it. I hope and pray none of us do. But with as long as they predict this thing too go on knowing of course they are speculating about every aspect of it, I am hoping for a Miracle. Thanks always for what you do.

  9. Zithro is an antibiotic. I don’t understand how this would work on a virus.
    Chloroquine is an antiamebic. I don’t understand how this would work on a virus.
    Maybe it fills the receptors that the virus would use? I dunno. I’m not sold yet.
    I heard that there is a high BP med that makes the user 5x less likely to get Covid as it fills the receptors that Covid also uses…
    I’m having a brain fart, I can’t remember which one it was…

    1. I believe it’s the COMBINATION of the two that work, Jabba.

      Zithro (Z-Pak) probably hits the secondary bacterial infection (Pneumonia/inflammation) hard while the Chloroquine does what it needs to do. Only thing that makes sense.

  10. Wish I could find the article posted under one of the MedCram videos a week or 10 days ago. It talked about the experience in South Korea, and how they were using several different antiviral drugs, including hydroxychloroquine. At the bottom it even listed dosages and outcomes (all successful). As I recall, they were even using them prophylacticly (sp?) on positive tested persons to avoid them getting to the stage of needing hospitalization. Should have bookmarked it! Not sure why S. Korea hasn’t been getting any credit for these studies.

    On a Fox program last night (Ingraham?), heard an interview with a Dr. in New York who said they were already using the hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin combination on some patients. Docs have often used drugs for off label purposes while the FDA was shuffling it’s red tape, so if it’s available, they’re probably using it where they think it will be of benefit.

    1. Any Nam Vets out there know if this might have been that “lovely” anti-malaria pill we were “fed” every week. Just curious.

      1. DH assured me it was a form of quinine, he did not know a specific name or dose.yes he took some form of quinine weekly…from a chow line… as others have pointed out certain people should not take this drug.. look for other natural things that have anti malaria properties.. ..

  11. Yahoo! Think I’ll go hang out at the beach with a bunch of collage students from Wuhan! NOT!

    Time will tell, only by the Lord’s grace will this combo work.

  12. I hope all this is true.

    I already feel a morale boost, thinking we have found an effective treatment, which may allow the critically ill to survive.

    If nothing else, more…to survive.

    If this was a planned pandemic, somebody is on the carpet!

  13. I was reading about this last-night and it looks Amazingly Possible.
    If the French have this all figured-out I will celebrate with French fries, French toast, and champagne.

  14. For those that want to actually read the “Study” from the French team, I found a link to it over at 0-hedge. The link is about 3-4 paragraphs down in the article entitled “Trump touts anti-malaria drug to treat COVID-19”, which was run on that site March 19th.(its embedded a sentence or two below the picture of the coronavirus).
    Perhaps some of our medically trained folks can go pick this up and read through it. I have read through it, and I can understand it, so there you go. YMMV. The doctors also state that this was a limited trial, but because the results were so positive they thought they should put it out to the medical community immediately.

  15. I actually read last night that researchers had tried using chloroquine on the original SARS virus years ago and it showed signs of being effective, but the virus infection then died out before a proper trail could be conducted with actual patients and the research was stopped.

  16. I’m not suggesting this virus is not dangerous, but this country seems to be dealing with it better that Italy.

    The mortality rate for the coronavirus in the US continues to fall as more and more Americans are able to be tested.
    12 days ago the US coronavirus mortality rate was 4.06
    Today the mortality rate is down to 1.25%!
    4.06% March 8 (22 deaths of 541 cases)
    3.69% March 9 (26 of 704)
    3.01% March 10 (30 of 994)
    2.95% March 11 (38 of 1,295)
    2.52% March 12 (42 of 1,695)
    2.27% March 13 (49 of 2,247)
    1.93% March 14 (57 of 2,954)
    1.84% March 15 (68 of 3,680)
    1.6% March 17 (116 of 7,301)
    1.4% March 19 (161 of 11,329)
    1.25% March 20 (237 of 18,845)

    Hopefully the numbers will reflect what the true risk is, as more testing is done.

    1. When you plug in the contagion numbers, coupled with the population, we’re likely talking millions dead (unless a cure is provided).

      1. Ken, this diluted percentage drives me crazy!!
        The math is easy but you need fixed numbers. They really don’t want to know the true number. Your estimate will be alot closer to the truth. That’s what is scaring the Hell out of them. They are estimating 150million (50-60%)people will be infected. Even if we use their diluted”blue sky” percentage of 1.4 % that still accounts for over 2 million dead. Now if the percentage is higher(no doubt in my mind it is) millions more.
        Now the real issue is how fast it spreads. If 150 million get infected over 6-12 months thats probably manageable. If cases explode and it happens in 90 days? Medical system is over whelmed and that pesky 15-20% who need hospitalization? The death rate goes up due to lack of medical care.
        The math is simple but it ain’t pretty…

        1. That’s why it’s important to keep the number of infected as low as possible. So,social distancing , quarantines,isolation is needed even though it is detrimental to the economy and people’s mental health.
          As they say…embrace the suck!

    2. A lot of the people who are currently infected are on ventilators. Not all of them will survive. We are simply too early into the epidemic to have meaningful numbers.

  17. The wife take Hydroxychloroquinine daily for arthritis. Perhaps this could lessen her chances getting a bad case if she were to catch it.

    However if the supplies are diverted to the wuflu treatment she will be a hurting lady. The US should develop a supply for the drugs before going whole hog on announcing a cure. Always the knock on effects.

  18. “And there came a Rider on a Pale Horse, and His Name was Death”.
    ( Symbolizes disease and pestilence. )

    1. Preacher,

      Proverbs 22:3
      A prudent man seeth the plague, and hideth himself: but the foolish go on still, and are punished.

      Paraphrasing of course, it’s been awhile.

  19. I wonder how much of the drug is available? I doubt very much if it was used for something else entirely.

    Our kids are grown but I told my hubby, it could be worse we could have three teenagers at home. Lol. My prayers to those of you who do. I remember how much they ate!

  20. So, I guess all those with arrhythmias will have to hope they find another antibiotic to use in combination with the Chloroquine because it’s contraindicated (the Azithromycin) or at least has a very strong warning attached.

    I have a very tiny hole in my heart (born with it); never been a problem/it’s monitored. I also have a weird (and extremely random) type of sinus tachycardia (normal sinus rhythm, just very fast at times). I see an EP (cardiac electrophysiologist) who monitors it and I take a medication for it to keep it at bay. I cannot take Azithromycin because of this. I’ve taken it before, but that was BEFORE they found it to be tied to a potentially fatal arrhythmia, and now, even if I could take it, I couldn’t get it filled. I was given a script years ago for it and they subbed it due to this warning.

    RE: Chloroquine, my husband took Doxycycline while in Iraq (’02-’03) and upon his return we were told NOT to get pregnant for at least 6 months as one of the drugs he was given was just that toxic/damaging to a fetus. We were going through infertility treatments at the time and the doctor really wanted to wait a year it was that bad. He can’t recall if it was Larium/Mefloquine (AKA the Devil), but I will say there are websites dedicated to its ruin of lives. They finally stopped using it, I believe. I don’t know if we would take Chloroquine if it was all that was offered and anything like Mefloquine (I believe it’s very similar to it). It’s a horrific drug.

  21. Here’s a link to the video segments from Laura Ingraham’s show last night with the NY Dr saying it’s already in use:


  22. As Ellie mentioned using the two in combination might be contraindicated, causing heart problems. I think this is why Fauci was so quick to say this still needs to be studied extensively before we start saying it’s a cure. He made it very clear that we need to not rush this.

  23. They need to prove this theory. Personally I don’t believe to much in this. If you are doctor and you have dieing patients you will do your try with new treatment. But people still dieing in Italy and everywhere else. Yesterday first death in Serbia. Many new infected. I have seen yesterday interview with lead doctor for viruses in Serbia. She said vaccine is still 18 months far from here. If we are very happy one year. I hope they find therapy for this virus but I am not very optimistic. My opinion: this is bio weapon and who made it, did very well! I don’t believe infection will stop very soon. In the meantime we are in complete lockdown. Post service is very limited. My elderberries plants will not be delivered. My order is canceled. Yesterday I received last order of plants. 40 strawberries are planted in the garden. Today is time for potatoes, garlic, onion, carrots and salad.
    Good bless you all!

  24. Russian TV said this combination of medicines is cure for Corona virus. It is tested in laboratory in Wuhan and is clinically tested in France. It is 100% effective but it can makes horrible consequences even death. Doctors in Serbia will wait for use after they see how it’s going to be in USA and France. Local factory made azitromicyn and China will supply other medicine. We will see. But I can see doctors in Serbia are very conservative about this. They know, but……..!

  25. was just reading UK news…it says….
    a)Germany has the world’s oldest population
    b)Italy has the world’s second oldest population
    c)Italy has the highest death rate from COVID-19
    d)German has the lowest death rate from COVID-19

    know one knows why.

    any suggestions?

    tongue in cheek, but , maybe not..
    maybe the Mediterranean diet/lifestyle in Italy (one assumes that it is the norm) somehow
    is more “virus” friendly”
    German diet and lifestyle?

    articles states
    “Germany currently has the lowest mortality rate of the 10 countries most severely hit by the pandemic: 0.3% compared with 9% in Italy and 4.6% in the UK.”

    big difference…why?
    any thoughts?

      1. Kulafarmer — might be something to do with it. Especially if the Sauer Kraut is not processed to death and has the natural bacteria in it. Read lots of reports that naturally fermented foods boost immunity, fight illness/viruses.

        German food – Fermented Kraut/high fat foods/sausage/eat four meals a day
        Italian – Italy enjoy a diet rich in vegetables, fruits, fish, beans, tomatoes, poultry, whole grains, olive oil, red wine, dairy


        1. Jane,
          It is interesting for sure, without really knowing the stats.
          Lots of traditional German foods involve fermented stuff, from beer to sausages and kraut.
          Traditional Italian diet involves lots of high acid foods.
          It is known that nightshade family veggies can be very detrimental. While it is also known that fermented foods can be very beneficial.
          Interesting concept.
          It could be just a coincidence, the mediterainian region is much warmer than Germany, farther north, could it be that people socialize more in Italy and are less covered up at this particular time?

          1. Kulafarmer

            articles states
            “Germany currently has the lowest mortality rate of the 10 countries most severely hit by the pandemic: 0.3% compared with 9% in Italy and 4.6% in the UK.”

            (Germany has the oldest population/Italy second oldest popultion

  26. okay, maybe there is something to the “German Diet”?

    Check this out
    (note the part where it says it activates t-cells in lungs, specifically)


    Ketogenic diet helps tame flu virus

    A high-fat, low-carbohydrate diet like the Keto regimen has its fans, but influenza apparently isn’t one of them. Mice fed a ketogenic diet were better able to combat the flu virus than mice fed food high in carbohydrates, according to a new study.

    Mice fed a ketogenic diet were better able to combat the flu virus than mice fed food high in carbohydrates, according to a new Yale University study published Nov. 15 in the journal Science Immunology.

    The ketogenic diet — which for people includes meat, fish, poultry, and non-starchy vegetables — activates a subset of T cells in the lungs not previously associated with the immune system’s response to influenza, enhancing mucus production from airway cells that can effectively trap the virus, the researchers report.

    They showed that mice fed a ketogenic diet and infected with the influenza virus had a higher survival rate than mice on a high-carb normal diet. Specifically, the researchers found that the ketogenic diet triggered the release of gamma delta T cells, immune system cells that produce mucus in the cell linings of the lung — while the high-carbohydrate diet did not.

    “This study shows that the way the body burns fat to produce ketone bodies from the food we eat can fuel the immune system to fight flu infection,” Dixit said.

  27. Why so few cases in India? Is it shoot/shovel/shutup, or …?

    Maybe all the turmeric/curry/natural spices?

    India (from govt site apparently)
    Active COVID-19 cases


    Death cases


    as someone said, they do not believe it is the heat, or why is Florida/etc got lots cases…

    1. Jane Foxe maybe because President Putin SHUT HIS Boarders promptly and actually Quarantined whole families in addition to the “Exposed” persons.

      He also got their version of MASH units to take care of them with PLENTY of PPE for the caregivers.

      Something to be said about prompt action when a serious problem occurs. But Putin doesn’t have Nancy Pelosi busy fighting every move he makes and keeping the boarders OPEN.

      1. me2…
        well, maybe it is also part diet/traditional foods.

        just finished researching diet in Russia
        it too (as well as Germany) has
        lots of sauerkraut
        lots of fermented drinks
        lots of high fat food, in fact comments were extremely high fat diet

        that Science Daily article on viruses, found that mice given a lethal dose of flu, and then fed a high fat diet, did not get very sick and recovered completely. the ones not fed high fat diet, died. It was determined that High Fat diet activated t-cells in lungs (previously unknown) which keep mucous build up out of lungs (seems like that is what/similar to what happens in COVID-19 in lungs…mucous build up..)

        okay, I have all the proof I need (sigh, not that I needed any), I will be eating lots of butter and other tasty fats…

        1. me2…India also has low numbers..
          research seems to indicate they too consume lots of fat (have to wonder if that turmeric helps too)

          “Oil everywhere

          Indian cooking involves the use of excessive oil, butter and clarified butter. A very serious problem associated with this is that the oil which is used is reused again which increases the oil retention in food, adding to the already massive amounts of cholesterol. Additionally, when we reheat oil, they break down into trans fats. This results in inflammation, quickly becoming the primary factor behind lipid issues in our body.
          Fried snacks is another different unhealthy category themselves and with its production being higher than ever, the manufacturers are disregarding the quality and turning up the taste factor, which involves a higher usage of oil and frying.”

          1. these low incident countries also had high rates of consuming homemade soups…

            read this some time back (UK news site)

            “Your grandmother’s home-made soup may treat malaria: Experts test meat and vegetable-based broths brought in by schoolchildren and find they can halt the life cycle of killer parasite

            f 56 tested soups, at least five had abilities to curb parasite growth
            Two had abilities comparable to anti-malarial drugs, findings show
            The researchers don’t know what ingredient in the soups were responsibl

            Home-made chicken broths and vegetable soups have the potential to treat malaria, scientists claim.

            two turned out to be as powerful as anti-malarial drugs at stopping the growth of the parasites that carry the killer infection.

            Flavours varied from chicken to vegetable, which left the experts baffled as to what the common malaria-fighting ingredient was.

            The study, published in Archives of Disease in Childhood, is the first to investigate if broths and soups hold the answer to fighting malaria.

            It follows the creation of artemesin, an antimalarial which originates from Qinghao – used in traditional Chinese herbal medicine to treat fever. (wonder what else it treats….mmmm Did China use it?)

            I will be making homemade soup and add some fats. Might help, and it will taste good.

          2. Anyone thought of castor oil? My momma thought it would cure anything. If she dosed you down with it, you darn sure quit complaining of being sick………

          3. I can’t find who wrote it, but someone here mentioned the Keto diet being effective against the virus too.

          4. Grits…interesting re Keto diet…maybe whoever posted will remember and re post. (basically same thing..high fat etc)

            Dennis, re Castor oil. It is an oil, so if the “fat concept” has merit, seems possible…..

  28. If anti-malarials are indeed effective, then home recipe might just work. As I recall, and witnessed a bit in modern times, British colonials in malaria-infested locales kept the disease at bay with their daily doses of G&T. Another name for tonic/tonic water is quinine water, the active ingredient all the “quine” medications.

    Think there’ll be a run on tonic?

  29. Passing on in case of interest/use to any — From UK Daily Mail

    “Tocilizumab, marketed as Actemra, is taken by patients with rheumatoid arthritis to reduce inflammation. Chinese doctors gave it to 20 patients during the peak ”
    Promising arthritis drug being used to treat coronavirus patients in China helped to cure 95 PER CENT of critically ill patients, scientists claim “

  30. Another Treatment?
    fr UK Daily Mail
    Pressure on UK to use promising blood treatment for coronavirus ‘which may be the difference between life and death for critically ill patients’ after US regulators green-light therapy using plasma from recovered patients
    •Critically ill COVID-19 patients in New York will receive blood plasma treatment
    •The blood is donated by people who have already recovered from COVID-19
    •The UK is trailing behind in large clinical trials with treatments like this
    •British scientists have no doubt blood plasma therapy could save lives
    •The ancient therapy is being used in China and has also fought Ebola

  31. FDA just approves Plasma Treatment
    UK Daily Mail

    “FDA approves first US coronavirus treatment: Doctors across the US can now treat the sickest Americans with plasma from recovered patients
    •The FDA Tuesday cleared the way for doctors to use blood plasma from people who have recovered from coronavirus to treat critically ill patients
    •Blood plasma contains antibodies that people infected by the disease develop to fight the virus
    •Giving this antibody-rich plasma to a sick patient helps to ramp up their immune response to the foreign infection
    •Plasma transfusion has been used for centuries “

  32. Yet another treatment?
    UK Daily Mail
    “New York hospitals are treating coronavirus patients with high dosages of VITAMIN C after promising results from China
    •Dr Andrew Weber says he has been immediately giving his intensive-care patients 1,500 milligrams of intravenous vitamin C
    •The Long Island-based pulmonologist and critical-care specialist with Northwell Health says patients are given three to four doses a day
    •The regimen is based on experimental treatments that were done in China
    •Jason Molinet, a spokesman for Northwell, says Vitamin C is being ‘widely used’ as a coronavirus treatment throughout the health system
    •A clinical trial into the effectiveness of intravenous vitamin C patients with coronavirus was conducted on February 14 at Zhongnan Hospital in Wuhan”

  33. leronlimab

    “Two coronavirus patients in New York ICU were taken off ventilators just DAYS after being treated with an experimental HIV and cancer drug”

    “A drug in developement for treating HIV and cancer was given to seven critically ill coronavirus patients in New York
    •Two of them were well enough to be taken off ventilators in a matter of days, and all but one are improving
    •The drug, leronlimab, has been fast-tracked for HIV by the FDA “

  34. “The source was Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, 46, a mild-mannered family doctor with offices near the village. Since early March, his clinics had treated people with coronavirus-like symptoms, and he had developed an experimental treatment consisting of an antimalarial medication called hydroxychloroquine, the antibiotic azithromycin and zinc sulfate.

    After testing this three-drug cocktail on hundreds of patients, some of whom had only mild or moderate symptoms when they arrived, Dr. Zelenko claimed that 100 percent of them had survived the virus with no hospitalizations and no need for a ventilator.”

    “For more than a decade, Dr. Zelenko has been a fixture in Kiryas Joel, where a sign at the village entrance encourages visitors to “dress and behave in a modest way.” Unlike most of the residents, who belong to the Satmar sect of Orthodox Judaism, Dr. Zelenko is part of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement and does not live in Kiryas Joel itself, which has made him something of an outsider.”

    “Villagers began experiencing coronavirus symptoms in early March. Days later, after Dr. Zelenko began treating patients with his three-drug combination and saw many of them improving, he created a YouTube account”

  35. Anti-COVID-19 Medications, While Possibly Life Saving, Can Have Life Threatening Complications


    “Hydroxychloroquine is an antimalarial drug also used to treat rheumatological diseases such as lupus. Other medications have proven indications and have been used safely for many years. “However, chloroquine when combined with azithromycin or taken in excessive doses, may cause changes in the heart’s electrical system that can potentially lead to sudden cardiac death”

  36. “Coronavirus breakthrough as scientists discover a drug used to treat HEAD LICE can kill COVID-19 cells
    •Researchers at Monash University found Ivermectin can kills COVID-19 cells
    •The anti-parasite drug killed off the cells within two days and is widely available
    •Scientists are moving towards human trials but expect it to be at least a month
    •Ivermectin has also been found to work against HIV, influenza and Zika virus ”

    “The study findings have been published in Antiviral Research”

  37. Drug Combo Change Doctor Uses for Covid-19

    “The FDA has warnings that azithromycin “can cause abnormal changes in the electrical activity of the heart that may lead to a potentially fatal irregular heart rhythm.”

    So instead, Alam replaced azithromycin with another decades-old antibiotic that doesn’t pose any known risks to the heart.

    “Doxycycline is an anti-inflammatory with properties similar to azithromycin but without the safety concerns and without cardiac toxicity,” he said.

    observational report consisting of 47 patients he treated

    Alam is not the only one to begin using doxycycline in the fight against COVID-19. –also Henry Ford Health System —

    “Since we’re talking about the elderly being the most vulnerable, or people with underlying conditions, there is a theoretical benefit of doxycycline over azithromycin because doxycycline is not associated with cardiovascular disease,” said Dr. Sten H. Vermund, the dean of the Yale School of Public Health.”

  38. Avigan to be offered FREE to all countries

    “Influenza drug Avigan to be offered abroad for free” from Japan

    “Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga announced at a press conference on Friday that the influenza medication Avigan, which is hoped to be effective against infectious diseases caused by the new coronavirus, will be offered free of charge to countries that wish to obtain it. ”

    “Favipiravir, also known as T-705, Avigan, or favilavir is an antiviral drug being developed by Toyama Chemical of Japan with activity against many RNA viruses. Like certain other experimental antiviral drugs, it is a pyrazinecarboxamide derivative”

    “Suga went on to say, “At this time, we have requests from about 30 countries, and preparations are being made to provide the drug free of charge.”

  39. Colchicine will be explored by a Canadian research institute as a drug to reduce the often deadly lung inflammation of COVID-19. The anti-inflammatory is already in use, often in the treatment of gout. It’s one of several existing drugs that will be tested in trials around the world as part of the global effort to fight the COVID-19 pandemic (Getty Images-Stockphoto-Fahroni via Radio-Canada)”

  40. Canada begins clinical trial of experimental COVID-19 treatment using plasma from recovered individuals

    A team of blood transfusion experts from across Canada is planning the world’s largest clinical trial of a potential treatment for COVID-19.

    The study, which will involve 1,000 patients from across the country, will include at least 40 Canadian hospitals, and is being overseen by doctors from the University of Montreal, University of Ottawa, University of Toronto, McMaster and the University of British Columbia, among other schools.

    The experimental treatment involves injecting antibody-rich plasma from patients who have recovered from the virus into those who are still infected. This approach has only been tried in small trials in China, Singapore, South Korea and the U.S. It is part of a global race to find a treatment for the disease, with researchers also focusing on antivirals and medications used to treat malaria.
    Donation centres across Canada will extract plasma, a straw-yellow liquid component of blood, from recovered patients and test that it has a certain minimum number of antibodies to be considered useful as an immunotherapy. Known as convalescent plasma, the material will then be frozen, sent to participating hospitals and infused into a critical patient to see if it can help treat their illness.

    The plan for the Canadian trial came together in just days. A group of a dozen hematologists and scientists joined a Zoom call on March 29 and worked out a plan – a process that usually takes between six months and a year for a typical trial, according to Dr. Arnold.



  41. Chinese scientists identify drug that reduces risk of severe pneumonia during Covid-19 infection

    Most of the deaths arising from the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic have been due to severe pneumonia caused by the virus. But now Chinese researchers say they may have found a drug that reduces the risk of dangerous complications.

    A group of Chinese medics studying 564 coronavirus patients, including 61 with acute pneumonia, in several hospitals across the country during January and February, have discovered an interesting pattern.

    published on the MerRix website but not yet peer-reviewed, reveals that certain drugs usually prescribed for hypertension have apparently proven effective in preventing severe pneumonia from Covid-19.

    Only 6.3 percent of the hypertensive patients who were given angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors, or angiotensin-receptor blockers (ACEI/ARB), suffered from a pneumonia complication while infected by the coronavirus, according to their data.

    However, among those who received alternative blood pressure treatment, the number of people with acute lung fever stood at 32.7 percent. The Chinese scientists also pointed out that “nonspecific antiviral therapy did not prevent clinical progression to severe pneumonia.”

    Hypertensive patients on ACEI or ARB may be protective from severe pneumonia in Covid-19 and hence these therapies should not be ceased unless there is a strong indication or further epidemiological evidence.

    Wonder how this approach/info fits with Ken’s post on “new theory” of COVID, and thinner blood theory? Do ACE inhibitors thin blood?

  42. Emergency room doctor, near death with coronavirus, saved with experimental treatment

    Soon after being admitted to his own hospital with a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, he was placed on a ventilator. Five days after that, his lungs and kidneys were failing, his heart was in trouble, and doctors figured he had a day or so to live.

    team of doctors who tried an experimental treatment pioneered in China and used on the sickest of all COVID-19 patients.

    Based on the astronomical level of inflammation in his body and reports written by Chinese and Italian physicians who had treated the sickest COVID-19 patients, the doctors came to believe that it was not the disease itself killing him but his own immune system.

    a syndrome known as a “cytokine storm.”

    The doctors tried a drug called Actemra, which was designed to treat rheumatoid arthritis but also approved in 2017 to treat cytokine storms in cancer patients.

    Dr. Matt Hartman, a cardiologist, said that after four days on the immunosuppressive drug, supplemented by high-dose vitamin C and other therapies, the level of oxygen in Padgett’s blood improved dramatically. On March 23, doctors were able to take him off life support.

  43. Pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca rushes its blood cancer drug Calquence into coronavirus trials ‘after it showed benefit for patients in intensive care’
    •Calquence to be trialled in 400-patient study after showing promise in the US
    •It was said to help sufferers with advanced lung disease caused by coronavirus

  44. FDA gives emergency green light to ‘blood purification device’ to treat critically ill coronavirus patients by removing ‘cytokine storm’ proteins that cause deadly lung inflammation
    •On Friday the FDA gave emergency authorization to a Colorado company’s blood filtering device
    •Terumo’s machine removes a patient’s blood and skims the proteins involved in the ‘cytokine storm’ that causes life-threatening lung inflammation from it
    •’Purified’ blood is then returned to the patient’s body
    •The method does not treat coronavirus itself, but the inflammation though to be the ultimate culprit in patients’ deaths

  45. Group of Chinese medics studying 564 coronavirus patients, including 61 with acute pneumonia, in several hospitals across the country during January and February, have discovered an interesting pattern.

    Published on the MerRix website but not yet peer-reviewed, reveals that certain drugs usually prescribed for hypertension have apparently proven effective in preventing severe pneumonia from Covid-19.

    Only 6.3 percent of the hypertensive patients who were given angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors, or angiotensin-receptor blockers (ACEI/ARB), suffered from a pneumonia complication while infected by the coronavirus, according to their data.

  46. New York hospitals are quietly testing HEARTBURN drug Pepcid as treatment for COVID-19 and will know whether it’s effective in ‘a few weeks’
    •Doctors in China discovered that those over 80 with heartburn using Pepcid had much higher survival than those using Prilosec (Daily Mail)

      1. Ken…I was thinking the same..grin.

        ah well, one does wonder if some of these companies put these “things”/”ideas” out there to sell off old stock…But then again, who knows.

  47. More evidence has emerged which suggests COVID-19 patients with high vitamin D levels are more likely to survive the disease. (Daily Mail UK)

    A ten-week trial from the University of Granada is also currently ongoing after a recent study by Trinity College Dublin found adults who took Vitamin D supplements saw a 50 per cent fall in chest infections.

    === might also support recent headlines/news which says that COVID patients on blood thinners increase survival rate/less complications considerably.

    Vitamin D does also act as a blood thinner. Be interesting if the Vit D benefit was due to blood thinning.

    1. Jane Foxe

      Healthy Vitamin D levels protect against so many things. I’ve read research, German or Swedish I think, of a study of Vitamin D levels and reduced flu infection or severity. Lots of other research has been done on its benefits. Curiously, not in this land of Big Pharma. /s

      Up north here, I take at least 2000 IU daily, usually 5000 IU during the winter months. There’s not enough quality sunlight to support the body’s own production. I didn’t have more than a couple of off days this past winter, and those were very mild – like my body took on the invaders and dispatched them quickly.

      1. Farmgirl — thank you..yes, lots of folks do benefit from it. I cannot take it (oddly)…As it REALLY thins my blood, and quickly. Either I have very high natural levels, or some weird condition…no idea what.

        I know it is a blood thinner, when I first took it and had trouble, did a LOT of research. It is odd, but most mainstream stuff not “discuss” its blood thinning.
        However found sites which talked about its use as a Rat Poison. Vitamin d was the main ingredient, and worked by the Rats bleeding to death after eating what it was in. They quit using it, as too many animals/birds/scavengers were also dying after eating the dead rats.
        (mostly not now, as mostly something different now)

      2. Farmgirl….I mentioned it was yrs ago I had done the search on Vit D, and read it had changed…Just a word of warning for any who use Rodenticide (rat bait/mouse bait/killer/poison) …Apparently it has now been changed back, to using Vit D (again).

        also read that many mammals (dogs/ cats/etc) are super super sensitive to Vit D (via Rodenticide ingestion or rodent ingestion after eating it), and can easily become toxic / die from Vit d. (had just googled it again to read up).

        so if using Rodenticide / bait etc, take extra precautions it re pets etc

        1. Jane Foxe

          I had heard that any of the mice/rat baits would pose a risk to dogs, and also some of our feathered friends who might eat the dead rodent. I don’t use them. I use cats instead!

          I didn’t know that Vit. D was a blood thinner. So, since I’m taking it, or am outside a lot, I can keep on with the ribeyes and the cheese curds? LOL

          (It’s really only ice cream that is the weakness. And chocolate, of course.)

          1. Farmgirl absolutely keep on with ribeyes and the cheese curds, grin. A whole lot of folks take a whole lot of Vit D, and seem fine. (never heard of anyone with my problem..but is some folks are naturally low in it, maybe I am naturally high in Vit D, don’t know)…

            I mentioned I had researched and found nothing re vit d and blood thinner, but that was lot of yrs ago. What I notice now, when researching this or that, is that I have in past couple of yrs seen warning if having surgery to lay off Vit D as it may cause bleeding during surgery….So…

            re the Cats..yuppers, best solution..

  48. Mouthwash could protect against COVID-19 by destroying the outer layer of fat the virus uses to bind to human cells, scientists suggest

    ‘In test tube experiments and limited clinical studies, some mouthwashes contain enough of known virucidal ingredients to effectively target lipids in similar enveloped viruses.

    The ingredients of dental mouthwashes, including chlorhexidine, cetylpyridinium chloride, hydrogen peroxide and povidone-iodine, all have the potential to prevent infection and several ‘deserve clinical evaluation’, according to the researchers. (Daily Mail)

    now I have to check through my mouthwash stash, don’t think many of them have this. Sounds like just gargling with Hydrogen Peroxide, might help..all good.

  49. Australian Professor: Ivermectin ‘Amazingly Successful’ in Killing Coronavirus

    “We’re talking close to 100%. In fact, we haven’t seen a result yet under 100%. It looks like corona is very simple to kill,”

    “It’s available as a prescription medication. You wouldn’t use it alone … but you add two other things to it such as doxycycline and zinc.”

    Borody said the Ivermectin tablet could cost as little as $2, which is likely why drugmakers haven’t promoted the drug’s usage. He also suggested that have a cure for the disease easily would do away with the need for people to be hospitalized, which would make doctors less money.

    1. Ken – It seems the deeper one digs into the reasons things are the way they are, money sits there at the bottom of it. ‘The love of money is the root of all evil.’ People have died, needlessly, so someone could line their pockets.

      I know it’s been this way for a long time, but I still have trouble wrapping my head around the lack of decency and compassion in favor of money. Some people are just trying to make a living, while others – some doctors (I said some!), hospitals and drug people – are quite literally making a killing.

      1. I don’t have trouble with it (wrapping my head around it). It’s a well proven fact that a (surprising) percentage of the human population lack empathy. They’re called sociopaths. They tend to rise to the top in big business due to their ruthless nature. I’ve learned (to some extent) to recognize them.

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