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  • Poorman 08/18/2022 at 2:52 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridI do lights out weeks every winter does that count lol
  • Minerjim 08/18/2022 at 2:40 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationCalirefugee, Thanks for the tips. Are there any other things we might need for Asian cooking? (Fish sauce,5 spice, etc?) We have a lot of Calrose rice in stock, looking to do more veggie based dinners in the future, and the DIW and like like Asian food more than Mexican anymore. Thanks again.
  • Anony Mee 08/18/2022 at 1:51 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationFarmgirl, Thanks for the report. Took a quick trip myself a couple months ago to see the last living member of our family’s previous generation. She’s now being moved into a care facility so am very glad I traveled when I did. Part of my drive was down CA’s Central Valley. Less ag and dryer than I recall in recent years. Poor quality and short supplies of produce here now seem to back up those observations. Local feed store manager has same recommendation.
  • Plainsmedic 08/18/2022 at 1:26 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationIt would indeed be very bad luck for a significant flare. I'm definitely not rooting for it. Sure, it would "wash away" a large population and return things to very basic. I could do basic, if I had to. I think I could do basic, though I've never actually done it for extended periods. I'm older now-a-days. Not as spry and agile as I once was. Still have the determination, but a summer like this one? Have to admit, I like air-conditioning. Mar-A-Largo wouldn't be important at all. Elections? What elections? We all live in climate controlled luxury, for the most part. Mainly just pointing out the slight increase in potential. Whatever happens, we can't change it, only react to it. Most on this site are well prepared. Wait, what do ya mean no air-conditioning?
  • Calirefugee 08/18/2022 at 1:01 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationTo the hunters and shooters out there: It appears that primers are becoming available once again slowly but surely after perusing ammoseek, MidwayUSA and Cabela's websites. Hunting season is coming up and for hunters still working, now is the time to get your gear in order and sight in your scoped rifle to make sure no gremlins have snuck in your gun safe or rifle case. To the gardeners out there, I pulled out my lettuce and planted multicolored chard in my raised-bed garden. My wife made a frittada with patty pan squash last week and we have been eating cherry tomatoes as fast as the plant produces them. Our garden got a late start this year so things are producing now. With my blood pressure issues and cholesterol levels, I will be planting more vegetables and cooking and eating more fish and chicken. To FinallyOuttaCa: Living where you live, I would be doing an expanding search for ethnic food condiments and vegetables. Stores will carry things only if there are customers purchasing them. AS a child,I remember my parents driving 3+ hours to the Bay Area to purchase condiments and goods from the asian market. Many of the vegetables and herbs used were cultivated in the garden at home. I like both Mexican food in addition to some asian cooking and I am able to find everything I need in my local markets. If you find a store that has soy sauce, look also for ponzu sauce, wasabi powder and pickled ginger. The condiments and dipping sauces often complete the dish.
  • scout 08/18/2022 at 12:55 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversationi have seen videos of people canning salmon, but i can't find any info on canning white fish like bass, perch or catfish. it may be the same way, i don't know. has anyone here ever done it? any info or how to would be greatly appreciated. i gotta clean out a freezer to make room. i'm trying now to can AMAP of everything so as not to depend on refrigeration as much. thanks in advance
  • Minerjim 08/18/2022 at 12:51 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridNRP & Blue, You "Lights out challenges" where the first thing I thought of when I saw Ken's article. Darn good suggestions. Firemen practice burning down old building, military practices by running "war games". What better way for MSB folks to test there preps and response to the major disruption of electrical power. (BTW, glad you and Blue posted, many of us were getting concerned.)
  • Minerjim 08/18/2022 at 12:44 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationKen, And there have been other storms that were bigger in the last several hundred years. Historical meteorologists are digging back into accounts of extreme aurora in the past. 1770 storm was bigger than Carrington. I think these storms happen a lot more often than previously believed. A 2012 CME that missed the earth by 2 weeks along its orbital path, had it hit the earth, would have put us back to playing with rocks and sticks. Hardening our personal power and communications systems will only help us locally, as the rest of humanity will be reliant on govt regulated utilities for power protection. That is not looking good, imho.
  • scout 08/18/2022 at 12:04 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridNRP & Blue, glad to hear from you, you have had us all worried.
  • Horse 08/18/2022 at 12:00 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power Grid"not keep all of your food in one place" I'm slowly vacuum sealing up lots of one pound bags of rice for the kitchen cabinet. Up there will be soy sauce, old canned items and expired stuff that can be eaten, handed out, ignored and be the decoy. Easy to locate and won't hurt me any if it's taken.
  • Tom 08/18/2022 at 11:58 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridGlad to know you're still out there.
  • NRP & Blue 08/18/2022 at 11:57 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridGood Article Ken. I'vs not commented much lately, been doing the Lurking Thing, but this Article really intrigued me. Most of the Old-Timers here will recall how many hundreds of times I tossed out the "Lights Out Weekend" challenge. And the week long challenge. I wonder how many folks out there in the "95% world could do even a weekend all alone a full 4 months as you are suggesting? Not many I would think. Honestly being totally self sufficient for 95%er's would be completely impossible. If one thinks on what it would take for the change of Lifestyle, I doubt if most would make it a month, at most. All alone 4 months or longer. Heck most would die from internet/sell-phone withdraws alone. So, with all that optimism I just laid out there......... Go ahead and try a "Lights Out" week or even just a weekend. MOst here would do just fine I would guess, so I'm preaching to the choir.
  • Mrs. U 08/18/2022 at 11:55 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationThe 2012 CME that just barely missed us. Perhaps this is what the Mayan clairvoyants saw for the end of the world premonition.
  • Horse 08/18/2022 at 11:51 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridI have lots of various antibiotics for livestock. I'd list them but too lazy. Most are the same thing people use just in much larger amounts.. pill size or concentration. Last time I got sick from a tick bite I used oxytetracycline from the farm store, took it orally. Tastes horrible, you burp and taste it all over again.. nasty crap but it worked.
  • Horse 08/18/2022 at 11:44 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridWe use a lot of it on horses, Ampicillin is the easiest substitution next to old sulfa. Ampicillin comes in a sealed bottle in powder form, kept cool it stores for a long time even if the exp is typically only a year out when bought. I have been checking the farm store here for penicillin for months, just not getting any in and the drug company I order from is horribly back ordered because of a production halt last year and materials shortages.
  • Realist 08/18/2022 at 11:39 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationThe old adage…..what one generation tolerates the next will embrace…..we have followed this for at least three lost generations of “citizens”. I am saddened and angry that our nation in all areas have become mindless slugs, no longer care about our country, our state, nor city, we allow the deterioration of our homes, our family, and schools. we detest civility, and citizenship, instead it’s about me me me and little else. We truly deserve to reap what we have sown, harvest of weeds and thorns. Sorry I am at my fill limit with our country, our government and the sheeple who dominate this country. It’s all in gods hands, and his saving grace.
  • Ken J. 08/18/2022 at 11:17 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationI believe the 1859 Carrington Event X-classification was estimated to be somewhere around X45. Massive. Aurora all the way down in the Caribbean..
  • AC 08/18/2022 at 11:13 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationKulafarmer Not to be unkind but if you really want to know what it is like. Turn off ALL your power to everything in your home and property, not for few days but for a couple of months, or longer. Then please tell us that it is truly worth it. As stated, I am not being unrulily or malicious just being honest, as I remember what it was like to live without those conveniences as a child. Not a pleasant thought---mho.
  • Kulafarmer 08/18/2022 at 10:58 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridYep, the amount we really use is quite a bit more than the few gallons they say is essential,
  • Kulafarmer 08/18/2022 at 10:55 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationWe need a prolonged x class flare That would fix a few things
  • Ken J. 08/18/2022 at 10:55 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationPlainsmedic, Often while I'm working on my 'tower' PC rather than my laptop, I'll run my SDR (software defined radio) with SDR# software - which has a waterfall display. This morning I'm seeing all sorts of interesting /drifting display 'noise' on VHF. I suspect it's the ongoing solar bombardment from the recent CME's from the sun. Interesting to watch it... Lets hope there's not a high value x-class flare in our near future...
  • SoulSurvival 08/18/2022 at 10:51 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationFarmgirl - Glad you returned safe and sound. Too bad you all weren't able to stop in for coffee at Belgrade. You would have enjoyed the young man's company and hospitality. He is one of a kind. Anticipation is what makes the journey worthwhile.... and the memories are the reward thereafter........ but the love exchanged in the moment of reunion is the treasure. I am glad for your adventure.
  • Plainsmedic 08/18/2022 at 10:38 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationInteresting space weather. Might be worth a look. I watch spaceweathernews with the normal dot thing. Been watching for years. First time this guy has EVER mentioned a potential for significant effect. 5-10% chance of something serious. Our normal "protection" from solar storms is at a weakened state. A series of small cme are happening. If the timing of these things is just right, we'll have big issues. One in twenty or one in ten is not cause for fear. It is enough chance to pay attention to. Let's just say, my ham gear will remain in faraday for a few days. May be an unreasonable response to this info, but ........?????
  • Ision 08/18/2022 at 10:21 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridI doubt I would still be alive after 4 months of the electricity being off...and if it was off everywhere. I am sure I would be killed by someone before I ever run out of life sustaining supplies, or shelter. Plus, if all the power is gone for 4 will probably STAY GONE for a much longer rise to insurmountable survival concerns. Survival is only possible, for anyone, during a limited time of trouble, which effects only a limited area. The dynamics completely change for any universal trauma, effecting continents, and these make long-term survival hopeless for the vast bulk of Humanity...including me. So, I only prep for such things as Hurricanes and local power outages, along with the ability to defend against limited criminal aggression, knowing I have no chance of surviving a truly global disaster, which spawns armies of Zombies...or causes nuclear reactors and nuclear storage failures...or both. Whatever the disaster one faces, if people do not see authorities in control within three days, expect to be forced to prove your marksmanship and your Will.
  • Just Max 08/18/2022 at 10:10 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridScout. I'm in the South too. I prefer to call The Big Situation "The Great Campout" for a reason. We'll survive. Maybe not as comfortable but we'll live. I'm actually hoping it does happen more around winter though. Easier to heat a room than to cool it. That'll be the biggest drawback for the DW. It would suck to loose the job for a spell but it would be nice to have a vacation and not HAVE to worry about money. Silver lining for everything. ; )
  • AC 08/18/2022 at 9:42 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationPeanut Hi, sorry to hear about the well and other water sources going dry. Have a couple of questions for you regarding the well, if you do not mind answering them for me. 1) How deep is your well site? 2) Is it only the surface water that you have notice going dry during this year? 3) Believe you said you were not the only one who's well that lost water? Can you supply this data to me? As soon as possible, as I have to go into town this morning, but I will answer the questions when I return.
  • Ken J. 08/18/2022 at 8:09 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridWhen your water runs dry, your priority immediately turns to acquiring it. I'm sure that it's quite 'eye-opening'. Finding a source - transporting it - storing it (repeat). Without water, we die. It should be everyone's priority to figure this out - what to do for emergency water...
  • epo3 08/18/2022 at 8:00 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridI have found this chart useful in the past. The chart breaks down to pounds per cord / and BTUs per cord.
  • Fireswamp 08/18/2022 at 7:34 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationThey have rolled out ArriveCAN Digital online uploading of your travel documents and vaccination status Your receipt is the qrs code and it must be done prior to crossing border Had to do it to get to Niagara Falls-less than 1 month roll out I think
  • Realist 08/18/2022 at 7:21 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridJS….I am sensitive to kerosene heaters, they can be a smelly mess, to burn, to maintain, and to store, after a decade I got rid of them and have not looked back. I remember that’s unless you have adequate ventilation they can cause a monster headache. Kerosene is getting pricey and it’s a lot harder to find. To each their own, but for me their are much better choices.
  • Peanut 08/18/2022 at 6:23 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridA couple of months ago I finally got a generator plug installed so that we will have power for the well, as lugging water is very heavy and time consuming. Then two weeks ago our well went dry as our area is in a severe drought. The brook out back dried up as well. Our pond is no more than an oversized puddle at this point. Now we drive into town for water to a spring maintained by the town. I know that our neighbor also lost their well. I am seeing more people daily at the spring. I am wondering what will happen if that dries up as well. Their is still a pond less than 1/2 mile down our road which we will turn to if the spring in town dries up. Never expected all of our water sources to dry up. It is an eye opener.
  • Myra Maynes 08/18/2022 at 6:11 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationTmac, everything is 1 x 12s. I'd send completed pic but don't know how.
  • Propane Projects 08/18/2022 at 1:12 AM
    Off Grid Living: Propane GasExchange cylinders are fill by weight an not filled to the 80 percent capacity. Also note. Do not purchase a cylinder if the brass value has a tarnished blue appearance. Cylinders are used in making meth. They fill the cylinders with anhydrous ammonia . The dump the cylinders for Exchange. The ammonia destroys brass and the filling operation should take these out of service, but I personally have removed them from cages and informed employees to contact the supplier. Also, run a line directly from a large capacity tank to a backup generator to eliminate refueling. And propane can be used for interior and exterior lighting. Flame Torches can be used to kill weeds chemical free. Remove ice from equipment and more.
  • Farmgirl 08/18/2022 at 12:54 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationJust got back home a bit ago. We finally made that trip back to the midwest, and I'm very glad we did. A friend told me the things she often regrets most are not the things she did, but the things she did not do. We decided seeing family and close friends was worth the whirlwind of a trip, and something we'd regret not doing. Drove I-90 for a good chunk of the trip. All I'll say about that is stock up on any animal feed that involves corn, especially. With the exception of a region of SW WI/NE IA, it did not look good. Tassels are starting or open, and if it doesn't rain soon...... Same for what I saw from the interstate through the great plains. The green spots were there due to irrigation, and mostly for hay/small grazing areas. I also noticed several new houses and lots of recent builds in SD, WY, and MT. Kind of surprising, as I haven't been that way for a couple years and don't remember that many houses before. I hope they're good new neighbors, and not just looking for a new spot to make a mess in. Also surprising were how many campers and obvious vacationers there were. 'Course, we were out and about a few days after the opening weekend of the Sturgis motorcycle crowd. I have no idea how busy that usually is, but it looked well attended from what we could see. I think a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening as the results of this year's harvest really hits the shelves. Since last Thursday, I figure I've driven 50+ hours. Monday was the only day I didn't have to. It was worth it; I'm glad to be back home, and...
  • dannyg 08/17/2022 at 11:36 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridWe only burn K 1 clear kerosene, because it is almost odor free when it burns. You have to look for it, not all kerosene is K 1 clear.
  • Lemon Drop 08/17/2022 at 11:30 PM
    Time Lapse Of All Nuclear Explosions Since 1945I'd like to come back in a thousand years and read the history of now. Or would there be any history books?
  • Tmac 08/17/2022 at 10:51 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationMyra - How thick is the shelf and what material?
  • 007 08/17/2022 at 10:41 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversationbg in tx: thanks for that info. this poulan pro has lot of plastic on it. i had a homelite for many years and it was a pretty good chainsaw.
  • poorman 08/17/2022 at 9:48 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridWith you on hoping it would come in winter Hermit. I heat with wood anyway so no problem there. While I have about 600 gallons of water stored Snow to melt will help stretch that till spring when I can get to the river. Without snow plows running people just ain't gonna get to the area I live in so no Golden Hoard just locals to deal with and not that many of them. Just did 14 days last winter without power so stretching it longer would really not be much of a problem
  • Anony Mee 08/17/2022 at 9:47 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridHorse, I’ve found liquid penicillin for the pigs at the feed store.
  • FinallyOuttaCA 08/17/2022 at 9:36 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationThanks, Calirefugee! I was browsing through some online recipes last night but your recap makes a lot more sense. The vodka surprised me! Thanks, too, to you and scout for the tips on short ribs.
  • Myra Maynes 08/17/2022 at 7:52 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationMyra Maynes here back ta haunt ya. In the process of makin' a 4' sq cabinet with shelves spaced 7 1/4" apart for storing #10 food cans. Frame was made & today got (4) 1 x 12s 4' long to add asap. Back will be what they call hard board. I call it clip board material so everybody knows what this oldtimer is talkin' 'bout. Each shelf has enuf space for 11 cans each so when finished & full there will be 66 cans in it. 2 hard board doors on front. When finished I'll be startin' on a cart to store the Lodge cookware. Hope y'all keepin' safe & prepared. Good evening to everybody.
  • scout 08/17/2022 at 7:24 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationMrs. U, ZeroHedge also had a good article on that as well, along with some maps. early thursday morning seems to be when it will peak, mostly latitudes north of 50 deg. not expected to be anything major unless it creates a cascading failure like the 2003 northeast blackout. that one was caused by a tree limb i think, wow.
  • Tmac 08/17/2022 at 7:05 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationIsion - -- How right you are. This still exists in California. After the first 16 weeks of handouts you must apply for additional handouts and then they want to see evidence you are looking for work. I see them coming a mile away. If your resume shows a giant gap across '20 and '21... BYE! If you exchange emails with me using texting abbreviations, anime characters, and/or emojis.... BYE! If you show up wearing a mask, or talking about your struggle 'during the pandemic'..... may God have mercy on you because I surely won't. -- We had a high-functioning, well-dressed tweaker in here for a few weeks, caused all sorts of mayhem. This led to a recent meeting to discuss drug testing of applicants and I was vehemently against it. They brought up the now former employee and I brought up the fact that everyone in the building except the owners could tell she was twacked-out of her gourd the day she showed up to interview. ... Yeah, no, that wasn't a bubbly, over-achiever folks; welcome to America. -- Some people can handle drugs, some cannot. If you are the latter, I'll sniff you out in ten seconds. If you are the former and you show up everyday and perform well... hey... party-on dude! -- I fired a guy recently, 15 minutes into his first day. That's how long it took him to lie to me 3 times... drugs or not, I don't care. BYE!
  • Plainsmedic 08/17/2022 at 6:44 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridLauren, The hackberry. Pretty good firewood. It has the opposite problem though. It won't store well. If it's green now, you can start burning it late this winter. Make sure you burn it next year, otherwise it will be rotten and pithy. You'll get the hang of this. I burn osage orange (hedge). Really hard wood that will store forever. More BTU than anything in the midwest. If ya see any wooden fence posts that look really old, it's hedge. I'm not too particular though. I always have a separate pile I call "sh3t wood." It could be anything, cedar, elm, cottonwood, literally anything. It will all burn. Good luck
  • Mrs. U 08/17/2022 at 6:32 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationThere is always hope. However, you would have to know him. When he is hungry, he calls Granddad! I say no more.
  • AC 08/17/2022 at 6:20 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridHorse There are alternatives on all medications. One simply has to be open minded on those that they wish to swallow. If you are ill and need xyz, but not in the two-legged kind, look at the alternatives for such items. just sayin.....
  • Plainsmedic 08/17/2022 at 6:19 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridLauren, Hackberry is good firewood.
  • Minerjim 08/17/2022 at 6:14 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridCat6, You are right about phasing, but this is fairly easy to do with line sensors and controllers. The new inverters have this same control that allows you to piggyback two or more units. I think coming back from a total shutdown, each utility will come up in isolation, then adjust and sync with whatever is on the main transmission grids, then inter-tie as need be. This is what goes on inside your grid-tied solar system inverter when you come online.
  • Cat6 08/17/2022 at 5:46 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridAnother consideration in a cold-start situation will be the "phasing" between the grid and the generator being started. The wave forms need to match up in real time. If they get this wrong, wreckage can result such as generators ripping loose from their mountings, etc.
  • Sunstate Boy 08/17/2022 at 5:46 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationEven a story on Yahoo news about the coming storm. Says rated a 3 out of 5 in severity! Big light show coming!!
  • Joe c 08/17/2022 at 5:18 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationAC Well, of course he wants term limits. That way they can git rid of the Constitutional supporters. Of course he wouldn't support a term limit on congress critters, with such a same proposal. If there is a (D) following a reps name, it ain't good. Now, if there was a set term limit for me, working for 'the man',...I'm game. Nah, death or winning the lottery is my 'term limit'.
  • Juliet Sierra 08/17/2022 at 4:58 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridPapa Smurf, what kind of kerosene heater do you recommend? Was there any odor from it?
  • Horse 08/17/2022 at 4:22 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power Grid20 bottles of ibuprofen, 5 years worth in omeprazole, all the antibiotics I could want., hayfeaver meds for several seasons, antacids. Liquid penicillin is impossible to locate the last few months but there are alternatives. Two boxes of various otc meds. That omeprazol could be a super barter item, so many people need it.
  • Lauren 08/17/2022 at 4:20 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridThe tree was alive, but the guy who brought the wood a few minutes ago said it was hackberry, not walnut. In any case, the new wood will either go in its own place or on the bottom of the pile. Unfortunately I wasn't able to bring with me either the woodpile or the ton of coal from the old house.
  • Plainsmedic 08/17/2022 at 4:01 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridLauren, I second what Minerjim said about the walnut. At a bare minimum, let it season for a whole year. Even then, you'll likely have to mix it with other wood. Seeing as you have it, you can make it work. I would avoid cutting walnut if I could. Beautiful wood, but not great firewood. Almost impossible to burn when green.
  • GoodGuy 08/17/2022 at 3:40 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power Grid"the anticipation is killing me" Please take care of yourself.
  • Psycho-path 08/17/2022 at 3:38 PM
    Oxygen Absorbers – How Many To Use For 5-Gallon Bucket Food StorageI just purchased a 25lb bag of whole white wheat berries and I have a 3.5 gallon bucket to store them in. How many 400cc oxygen absorbers would I need?
  • Horse 08/17/2022 at 3:29 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridWhy not invest in a functional well head hand pump ? We have one, just need to reinstall it if the need arises.
  • Horse 08/17/2022 at 3:26 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridMilitary has huge diesel powered generators that can be used for starting power plants. Then there are the natural gas powered power plants that don't need a lot to get going. Oil fired power plants. One can start others, those can restart others. I see the larger problem is containment of the reactors and cooling pools.
  • Plainsmedic 08/17/2022 at 2:52 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationFor a long time in my life, I didn't REALLY understand electricity. I could wire a house and fix tools, etc. I thought I knew a few things, though I'm certainly NOT an electrician. Then I started playing with woodgas. Trying to run an OLD generator with a briggs engine. Eventually I succeeded. With woodgas, ya have to have a draw to make the whole woodgas thing work. For the woodgas process to produce a burnable gas, ya have to be actually burning the by-product of gasification. Want the generator to "run faster" ya need to USE more electricity. Even if ya have to waste the electricity with lights or electric heat. The grid works the same way. It's a balancing act. Matching the amount produced to the amount actually used. There is no "storage" of power in the grid or anywhere else, outside of batteries. We all know that batteries are very inefficient. With our grid(s) it's doable. Switch the power from one place to another. Ya can't store it, but ya can move it to where it will be USED. It MUST be USED or the whole thing will collapse. On the huge scale of our grid(s), it can be done. A very delicate thing, balancing the production with the usage. Now-a-days it's all done with computers and the internet. It's likely too complex for a human brain. Our grid(s) are very fragile and vulnerable. Our enemies know this. It wouldn't take much to crash the whole thing. Once it's down, who knows if it can be re-started. Maybe on a small scale it could be. That's how it was 'built' in the first place. Scary stuff!
  • SoulSurvival 08/17/2022 at 2:49 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridSurvival depends on knowledge, skills sets, ingenuity, and a will to live in my opinion. I focus on the basic simple means of providing the 'Seven Necessities to Sustain Life'. It is my opinion that mobility may play an important roll for survival based on what I am seeing TPTB are "telegraphing" in their moves. In my case, the Achilles heel is cold weather depending on the length and/or time the permanent "blackout" might occur. With the the possible mobility factor in mind, I set my plans based on Kerosene heaters and the wood burning Rocket Mass Heater (RMH) for my heat source. The Kerosene heater is portable and can be moved room to room or location to location where needed. I am working on a design for a RMH (small) that can easily be moved and easily re-constructed. A subterrainian living space is my end goal as the limited temperature range is a plus for heating and cooling. But where.....? It is not the work thats hard..... its the damn decisions. These are exciting times for those with an imagination. I believe that to must go to where most run from if you have the ability. If not.... you do the best you can till you can't..... the Lord will take it from there. :-)
  • Minerjim 08/17/2022 at 2:43 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridLauren, Was that walnut dead standing or alive? If it was alive, it will have to be cut and split and aged for at least one season. You may find you can do with less if you put up hardwoods as opposed to pine and soft woods. If your woodstove is rated for coal, you might try getting a ton or two and trying that, or as an emergency stickpile. If properly banked, coal can last most of a night. (Some people are bothered by the smell though.) Just something else to consider.
  • Lauren 08/17/2022 at 2:35 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridThat gives me what I need. Thank you. I took out a walnut tree and I am having some delivered, but nowhere near that much! : )
  • Ision 08/17/2022 at 2:34 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationRemember when people on unemployment would need to prove they were actually trying to find work, by submitting all the jobs they were turned down a government report...due every two weeks? If one failed to search for work and document their failures...they did not qualify for an unemployment check. As an employer, I would get several people coming into my operation seeking jobs, so they could enter my company on their government forms. So, for fun, when these people would show up on one of my construction sites, dressed like they were going to a pool party afterwards, I would immediately try to hire them and put them to work. This shocked the HELL out of them, and they had to collect their wits to figure out how NOT to take my job. In keeping with the fun, I told them no experience was necessary, they could start immediately, and I would pay them an hourly rate, so high, it was well beyond any expectation they might have had. If they accepted my job offer...I actually GAVE THEM A JOB...and paid them exactly what I had quoted them...NO PROBLEM. Those kids showing up to ask for work, who actually wanted work, got it...and I trained them and gave them a skill they could use for life. The other flakes...I had tossed off my job site... What is most to finally get someone GOOD...and they FAIL the drug test. This is why drug tests for employment seem to have vanished... Walt Disney World didn't even care if you could speak, read, or write, English...or read, or write, in ANY Language...and they do not drug test. If you are warm...and can walk up the ramp to the desk at the employment got a job.
  • scout 08/17/2022 at 2:29 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationMrs. U, well at least he has been working and at that age different kinds of job experiences will help in the long run, life is a learning experience. i remember being 19, barely. he has time and youth on his side, give him a chance and all the encouragement you can, but let him be on his own with no financial help. that's a huge motivator. when they get hungry, they get motivated. it did me.
  • Tmac 08/17/2022 at 1:47 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationMrs. U - It seems like the boy knows how to interview well! So there's that. For most kids these days, 18 is the new 12. My boy is pushing 28 and he's only half-way completed his cranial-rectal extraction. I never thought I'd be grateful for being forced to raise myself; I am now.
  • Mrs. U 08/17/2022 at 1:28 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationFYI The geo magnetic storms may produce naked eye auroras as far south as Illinois and Oregon Aug. 18-19. Latitude 50 degrees. per solar weather
  • Night Owl 08/17/2022 at 12:53 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationI have two of the all-in-one units, and am satisfied with them. One is a 700 watt-hour battery, and the other is a 2000 watt-hour battery, both are Lithium Iron Phosphate. They are great when used - within their capabilities - for *small* loads, and an easy way to get started with solar, or, just to have *something* in the event of a short-term power outage, lasting a day or two. Watt for watt, a larger DIY system is probably more cost effective (and more useful in a long-term grid down), but many have been buying these off-the-shelf units because it’s so easy to get started with them. Literally plug and play. Among the top brand names are Bluetti, EcoFlow, Jackery.
  • Mrs. U 08/17/2022 at 12:41 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationMr's able bodied grandson has had 8 jobs in less than a year. He is 18 will be 19 in Nov. Has been spoiled by Mr. and his grandmother who raised him because they 'felt sorry for him'. Mother and father both drug addicts. Was allowed to be lazy and used to immediate gratification.
  • Mrs. U 08/17/2022 at 12:32 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationSpeculation is she might put a run in for president! Just shows her view from her silver spoon bubble.
  • Calirefugee 08/17/2022 at 12:25 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationTo FinallyOuttaCa: Go online and look up Food Network's recipe for Tempura Batter by Alton Brown. To summarize his recipe: wet ingredients consist of 1 egg whisked together with 1.5 cups of seltzer water and 0.5 cups of vodka. Dry ingredients are 5 oz of Panko with 5 oz of all purpose flour. When ingredients are whisked together, the resulting batter is quite runny and should be kept cold/on ice. Alton brown used a thermometer in his pan to keep track of the temperature. I wait until a drop of water skitters and pops on the hot oil to determine if it is hot enough. The fish, vegetables are washed and cut thin prior to dipping in the thin batter and dropped into the hot oil. My mom did not use vodka in the wet ingredients but she did use seltzer water, egg and panko when we did this at home. I was her helper and we did this several times per month until relatives started having heart attacks. At that point, no more tempura - anything. Lots of grilled meats in Teriyaki sauce. (Teriyaki sauce- 1 part soy sauce, 1 part dry white wine and one part sugar/pineapple juice). Thicken teriyaki sauce with Corn Starch.
  • Minerjim 08/17/2022 at 12:17 PM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridLauren, 10 days, or less, depending on outside temp and not knowing what type of wood burner you have, but knowing your general location. If you plan on heating an "average" size house for a winter in your area, 6 or 7 cords of wood would be a decent number to have put up.( ~20 of your rics). Just trying to give you a ballpark number to shoot for. If you can give us more details (type of stove, house size and age of construction/insulation) I may be able to get you a closer number.
  • Papa Smurf 08/17/2022 at 12:14 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation- Camping World has it in our area - Papa S.
  • Papa Smurf 08/17/2022 at 11:49 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power Grid- Have to agree with the posters above, when Texas suffered our grid down winter weather episode, DW found out she loved my kerosene heater much more than ample supply of firewood and fireplace. House stayed, well, near comfortable and the remainder bearable while we were without for two weeks. I have increased my store of kerosene and am looking for an additional wick for the thing (already have a spare). Little butane stove, (the one for the oriental market) and Propane camping stove both got used without problems for cooking and obviously added to heat in house, but we did not feel like either would have been a viable heat alternative for our long-term lives. ‘Camping in the house’ with multiple battery lanterns and hot coffee/chocolate makes for a much better day when the power is out, even with the intermittent use of a portable genset. We did use a goodly amount of gasoline for the genny, even using it just 3 times a day. (Temp here was 12 F.) - Papa S.
  • Realist 08/17/2022 at 11:20 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationKen you remember the term “Protestant work ethic” I grew up hearing that time and time again, it was a great adage, it helped you focus on my life’s path that is you want to succeed you have to work to pursue happiness not sit on your hands looking for freebies and people who are going to take care of you. In my book that golden rule to try and achieve anything came from yourself and willingness to put the big boy pants and work. I remember when in school we all strived to succeed we wanted to work, we loved work, now it seems doing anything is a rare commodity and is to be avoided at all costs……the world has done a 180 degree wrong turn, and some days I feel anger and shame at those who have helped erode those ideals which once we stood for.
  • Realist 08/17/2022 at 11:07 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridLauren….so many variables, hardwood versus softwood, seasoned versus unseasoned, size of dwelling, humidity level, fireplace versus wood stove, size of unit, and burning 24 hours per day or less, even the size of wood being burned. Sorry, but all of those come into play, as an example I used to heat a 1600 square foot house in Colorado at about 6,000 ft elevation totally with a with large wood stove, with a propane furnace, and or quartz’s electric heater ( those last two were only used if I was traveling) in a season I would consume about 5 to 7 cords of seasoned mountain pine. Note a fireplace is a total waste of space ( in my book ) unless you use a wood insert and even then you only have the front of the insert radiating heat. When I lived in the Midwest, I burned even more, now in I am in the high desert plains in Nevada and use only about 2 to 3 cords of pine per year. Hope that helps
  • Stunningly Normal 08/17/2022 at 10:12 AM
    Harvest Right Home Freeze Dryer Owners Tips & TricksAvocados work very well in the freeze dryer. Highly recommended.
  • SDman 08/17/2022 at 9:27 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridLauren - lots of variables...stove efficiency, wood type, climate, insulation of house etc. We use two chords for 6 Mo of heating. A ric is about 1/3 chord, thus likely no, not enough for 4 Mo.
  • Grey 08/17/2022 at 9:15 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationInch or more of rain today, good, moderate to severe drought here. Processing tomatoes into sauce, abundant this year. More PMs on the way, converting some of the future TP. Big Lizzy takes a primary dive out west, about time. No tolerance for entitled a**holes anymore.
  • Anony Mee 08/17/2022 at 9:14 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationKen J, A goodly amount of the pre-pan workforce is still home waiting to see if there will be in-person schooling this fall. Another group, who lost their small businesses for good, or their jobs in small businesses, due to rioting or the ‘vid, were close enough anyway to retirement and ain’t coming back. Then there’s the gap between skills needed and skills acquired. Bloated guv is in the mix, with the folks who shop for guv and charitable programs to support them. Loss due to increasing opioid deaths. Finally, just plain ol’ demographics. A more urbanized population = a smaller generations in sheer numbers. The dreaded population pyramid has become diamond-shaped.
  • Plainsmedic 08/17/2022 at 8:56 AM
    Get Spare Batteries For Your Devices Before The Grid Goes DownLeft Coast, I did the same thing, years back. For the price, not a horrible deal. You can do a LOT better, but ya gotta start somewhere. In fact, I still have one of those in an outbuilding, still in the box. If it all goes bad, I'll be digging that thing out too. Not much power, 45watts I think, but some is better than none. For those out there with nothing, not a bad choice to get started.
  • Tmac 08/17/2022 at 8:53 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationWell, they've gotten larger. The folks who keep asking for more drive Audi, Benz, Tesla. A $35 3k/cal Door Dash lunch is nothing. Vacations?! Really? Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho, it's off to the freeway I go.
  • Ken J. 08/17/2022 at 8:27 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationIt is stunning what has happened to our "work force". What has happened?
  • Ken J. 08/17/2022 at 8:22 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridYour first paragraph - yes indeed that will be a difficult one to deal with. Low profile (opsec) only works if it has been implemented since the start. Most people at some point "spill the beans" to an extent, and soon enough more and more know that you're ((gasp)), a prepper. I really don't like the word, prepper, given the mainstream negative connotation. But we're sort of stuck with it. Great advice regarding a Kerosene Heater. I don't have one, but I'm going to look into it.
  • Ken J. 08/17/2022 at 8:16 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridA "cold start" to the grid. Wow, let that sink in... Depending on how it went down, the damage, the repairs -- one wonders how that's going to happen, given the collapse - finding workers who survived (how many were prepared??) -- and then getting enough utility worker survivors back on the job to start it all back up after the collapse? Sounds nearly impossible!
  • Realist 08/17/2022 at 8:14 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridMacGyver…..same here desert dweller, installed my first ibc 265 gallon water container, planning for at least one more, ditto on the camper water storage tank (58gal fresh but also has a black water tank never used so that will be another 50 gallons of fresh) and two bathtub water bob’s bladders. Lived all over the country miss fertile ground and tall trees, but gladly traded it for the high plains deserts and extremely low population density. So water supply is my number one prep.
  • Ken J. 08/17/2022 at 8:09 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridYep, that's why battery-powered radios are so important for preparedness. Gathering intel about what's going on out there. Shortwave radio with Ham bands (with SSB capability) is advised. Don't forget a length of wire to attach to the extendable antenna for better reception. For local comms, handheld 2-way radios, VHF/UHF, even CB radios.
  • Deepest South 08/17/2022 at 8:05 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridShoot the Gators for food, drink the pond water. Easy, Peasy.
  • Ken J. 08/17/2022 at 8:02 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationI don't recall ever seeing a color display on a generator... Fancy... Hope the product launch goes well.
  • Tmac 08/17/2022 at 7:57 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationWell that was a solid 90 minutes sleep after a stroke-level, pray for death headache all night. First news to hit my bleary eyes this morning is Liz Cheney running for president, strictly to screw with Trump. And now a pediatrician asked a 3 year old: "Are you a girl or a boy?"... in front of the father. Yet people just keep on keeping on. -- My new hire lasted 15 minutes yesterday. That how long it took for him to lie to me 3 times. I transferred out one of mine to make room for him, canceled two important personal commitments and called-in a remote employee; all to train this prat. Another is out this week and one more is going camping. If y'all have generator problems, don't call this week. $20-$24 an hour, full company paid benefits, 2 weeks paid vacation.... all ya gotta do is show up, work, and don't bee an azzwipe, especially on day one. I cannot find ANYONE worth a tinker's damn to take that deal.
  • Tmac 08/17/2022 at 7:40 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationKula - You got right the first time. I never said pray for who or what; just pray; for smiting from above if you'd like. But we are in serious trouble.
  • Lauren 08/17/2022 at 6:14 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridHow long will a ric of wood last? I know there are a lot of variables, but are we looking at 10 days or 10 weeks? I grew up with a fireplace but my parents seldom used it and their plan was just (just keep stacking)
  • k-bay 08/17/2022 at 5:42 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversationscout, let's not get ahead of ourselves yet, SP1 had reports of unsolicited, absentee ballots being received by folks not requesting such, lots of 'em, so there might be a recount fight.
  • hermit us 08/17/2022 at 1:05 AM
    Your Challenge: Survive 4 Month Blackout Without The Power GridNeed the wood burning heat and the generator for short periods of time. Can not bug out for a few months or everything will be gone. That leaves the only option for us and our neighbors, defend. Hope that if it comes, it is during the coldest winter time. If it comes in the hot summertime like now and all of civilization is screwed, check the wind direction and start a good back fire. Nature can be a force multiplier.
  • Kulafarmer 08/17/2022 at 12:26 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationPray for what? A swift end? I cant bring myself to pray for my enemies, i will pray for strength and wisdom
  • Tmac 08/16/2022 at 11:39 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversationscout - Check out the pear-shaped circus tents she's wearing recently; face and jowls too. That doctorly woman packed on 40 pounds or better. Overheard recently in the WH private quarters: "Yes of course I'm serious, Let's GO Brandon!". Must be one of them glandular problems, from the coof, not the quad-vax. Poor woman. ... Pray. Yeah she's still in Carolina. To protect the public dontchaknow.
  • scout 08/16/2022 at 11:23 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationTmac, do you ever get the feeling that their handlers are trying to keep them in isolation. they just came back off of vacation in South Carolina and now are headed straight home to Delaware for the weekend. i would like to know just how many day's brandon has actually spent in DC. taking care of business and not at home in hiding. oh well, it may be for the best. i just saw that Liz C, was voted out, voting does work. YEA
  • Tmac 08/16/2022 at 10:57 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic ConversationOh no! Taco Jill got the covid! She's in lockdown with symptoms. pray.... yep that's it, just pray. ~per Bloomberg