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When You Have To Scavenge Bug-Out-Bag Supplies After The Apocalypse

The scenario is this… The apocalypse happens.

  1. You’re not at home and need to get home (because you’re already living full time at your BOL)
  2. You’re at home (in a bad location to survive the apocalypse) and really need to get to your BOL (bug out location), wherever that may be.

BUT, your vehicle has become unusable. This means you’re going to need supplies to help get you there, walking, or some other means. Ideally you need a pre-configured BOB (bug out bag) or 72-hour kit.

Here’s the problem: You don’t have one. Why not? Well let’s just say something happened to it. Maybe it was in your vehicle as you watched in horror when the earthquake opened a fissure right under your parked car, as it dropped out of sight to an unknown doom (or other such hypothetical destruction).

One MSB regular, “Papa Smurf”, sent in a interesting “food-for-thought” article for you all to ponder, relating to the scenario above:

Supplies Without a Bug Out Bag

by ‘Papa S’

Oops, it finally happened. The Apocalypse. It wasn’t the one you had planned on, but it was still an apocalypse.

You’ve been preparing for it for over a decade and you decided a long time ago that you were going to keep your BOB (Bug Out Bag) where you could get to it no matter what.

It was in the trunk of your car, just so you could have access to it, no matter what or where. But, like I said, it wasn’t the event you thought it would be.

The point is, it happened. Your car, or whatever vehicle you thought you would have access to, is forever and irrevocably gone.

No do-overs. No second guessing. You are on your own, and without anything except what’s in your pockets.

Scavenging

What do you do? Everyone knows you absolutely have to have that bug-out-bag of goodies, or you’re just going to die. Now your bag is gone, nothing to do about it. So, you die right? No, that’s not right.

You start looking around. What supplies might be available? It depends on where you are. At work? Or near a business or store? In many places civilization is all around us, including homes and businesses. There might be supplies there.

So you step into the store-front of a business. Everyone has scattered. No one there. There’s a fridge in the break room with a couple bottles of water. A Wally-World sack sits in the corner. That’s water and a means of carrying it, right there. There’s no one around. Do you take it?

You look around some more, and you find a metal spoon and a can of beef stew, along with three packages of Ramen Noodles. And even though the stew has a pull top, you found a can-opener and threw it in your new bag. After all, the can will serve as a small pot and you can use the can-opener as a handle to take it off of the fire.

Now that your eyes are open, you continue to look around. There’s a janitor’s cart and several large plastic bags in a roll on the top of it. Wouldn’t those be useful?

Looting

Oh, wait a minute! ISN’T THIS LOOTING?

What happens in an apocalyptic event is rarely something we will be able to predict. What you will do in an event such as I have outlined above is all too possible.

Each survivor will have to decide for him or herself what is scavenging and what is looting. And what goods they will need to survive for another day, or two, or however long.

There’s Only So Much That You Can Carry

There is only so much you can keep and carry on your person, all day, every day. What you have may well be all you’ve got. What do you do when that is the case? You will have to scavenge, or loot, items just to stay alive.

I would propose the line between the two would be the line between Want and Need.

There’s a Rolex watch in the shop window you pass on your way out of dodge. Well, maybe you already decided you NEED a watch. Or was that a WANT (after all, it’s a Rolex). ?

The point is, you may have spent a lot of money and time on your bugout bag. That doesn’t guarantee you will have it when you need it. You may have money in your wallet, or gold coins stashed in your belt. But in any of these situations, *What* good will it do you?

Will You Have What You Need When You Need It?

Someone will read this and decide, well, that just means I will need a second, or third, or umpteenth copy of my bag. After all, two is one and one is none, right? Within limits, yeah, that’s right and a good idea. Don’t go completely overboard on this one thing. That still doesn’t mean you will have what you need, when you need it.

Prepare For The Idea of Scavenging

All of us, everyone, will have to be prepared for the idea that we will have to scavenge for what we need. Getting to wherever you want to go would be a lot faster and easier if we have our stuff already accounted for. That bag is still intended for only 72+ hours, then you will be on your own anyway, right? It’s just what other tools you will have on hand.

I hope I have given you something to think about. At any rate, may none of us ever truly need our BOB’s.

– Papa S.

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46 Comments

  1. I suppose, take what I need when I find things I believe will be needed or necessary.
    Pay for them if possible but this situation is not bleak.

    Massive earth quake? things will get back to normal at some point.

    Mushroom clouds in the distance ? take what I can locate food/ shelter/radio/batteries and vanish in the direction away from it (considering wind direction)
    and hopefully towards home.

    May/may not be CC at the time I think it could only help If I was.

  2. I would not take what belongs to someone else. You should search for the owner of the items and ask to buy them. Whoever owns them might need them for their own bug out bag or for their children. I don’t carry a purse; I always have money (change, small & big bills) in a coin purse in my jeans pocket, so I could buy a few necessities. I suppose that if a hijacker stole my car and bug out bag, he might have made me empty my pockets as well. I guess I would be in deep trouble, but I still wouldn’t steal from anyone else.

    That said, there are probably lots of things laying around that don’t belong to someone. Yesterday morning, when I went for my walk, there were two empty water bottles, a boy’s shirt and a ball point pen lost or abandoned at various places on the street or sidewalk. This time of year there are lots of sunflowers (with seeds) growing wild. I expect that if you looked carefully you would find lots of other people’s trash laying around that would help you survive.

    But, since I am a small woman, have white hair and live in Wyoming, I would simply ask for help. Around here most people would give me a hand.

  3. Papa S,

    Good food for thought. I think that before such questions can be answered, first you would have to do some soul searching. Answering the question “who, and what, am I”.

    Sort of like that old joke where a man asked a woman if she would sleep with him for a million dollars. When she answered yes, he asked her if she would for ten dollars. She angrily replied “what do you think I am?”. He responded, “we’ve already established that, we’re just haggling about the price now.”

    The scenario you painted would make most folks wonder if they could just outright steal another’s property when conditions are telling you that to do so just might help you survive. Or, do you stick by your code of right and wrong, waiting for other, less repugnant opportunities to possibly present themselves?

    Is there a difference between scavenging and stealing? I would say yes, if certain conditions are met. If I’ve abandoned my home, with no intentions of returning, anything I leave behind can be scavenged with my blessings. I think the same would apply to, say, a Wally World that’s been abandoned by all employees as a town empties itself due to untenable conditions. That would not apply to a town and it’s stores where folks are hunkering down in place, hoping for some return of normalcy.

    No more than I can see myself turning away someone in need when I have the ability to help, can I see myself killing someone to take from them. Some will say that is naive, that I don’t really know until total collapse and approaching starvation materializes………and that’s probably true. I do know the story about a man named Job, and the trials and testing he suffered through.

    Now scavenging, at least my definition of scavenging, is different. Cars, service station fuel tanks, any store or shop that has been abandoned for weeks would indicate they’ve given up on that asset.

    But….that’s just me.

  4. Since Maw Earth ate my Truck and GHB, the second GHB was toasted by that Mushroom Cloud (one of 300 that caused the Apocalypse) and the Cookie Monster ate the third I guess I’m on the hunt for supplies….

    Now remember we’re talking a full on EOTWAWKI Apocalypse, Gloom and Doom stuff……

    So here we go, I gata get my pretty azz home to check on my TP stash and ride out the next 6 months of “die off” of an estimated 90% of the world’s population. Right?

    Scavenging…. And interesting word for trying to find stuff to survive what the next 8 to 24 hours will bring.

    So as Papa indicated, I step into that Store, there is NOBODY around, “Everyone has scattered. No one there.” and I find a vacated couple of bottles of Water, a can of Beef Stew and some yucko soup. A Plastic Bag and a can opener….. Is that stealing or Looting???

    IT’S the Apocalypse people, There are Mushroom Clouds forming in the distance and the Earth is opening up and swallowing Semi Trucks. So YES it’s looting, and stealing, but as some will say; I have a little cash on me, ohhhhh K so leave $0.50 for the soup and move on.
    You are trying to find ‘stuff’ to survive on, and to make it home to your stash, Are you going to risk life and limb over NOT taking a couple of bottles of water or that Can Opener?

    Now the next thing is where do you draw the line in the Sand? Are you going to take a truck that’s been left in the river and try to drive home? Will you point your loaded finger in the shape of a gun at someone and “take” their Bicycle? How about hijacking that Lamborghini and get home in 8.2 seconds?

    I’m thinking probably not, nor would I, BUT again, if I’m 5 seconds from dying of thirst I sure as heck would Loot a store for those 2 bottles of Water.

    1. NRP,

      Out of curiosity, how many miles to a roll of toilet paper should one expect to get getting home after shtf? (not to include one soiling themselves when the event goes down)

      1. Dennis;
        I’ll be following a river on the way home, so no TP used on the trip home 😁😁😁
        BUTT dont drink the water down stream 😖

      2. Dennis you are SO BAD…. Laughing Out Loud

        However NRP did bring up a good point, when things get crazy people DO forget their toilet manners. Soiled water can kill you in a few days of misery and you’ll NOT be making good miles towards home that way. Figure out a safe way to secure SAFE water and or a filter.

  5. This is a scenario where an Every Day Carry (EDC) can possibly help save your life. Where I go, my EDC goes, too. Being female, my EDC is disguised as a decent-sized purse. In reality, my purse is a custom-designed, machine-quilted EDC with reinforced shoulder straps, interior pockets, and a sturdy base to hold a number of necessary items.

    If I leave my home/property, then my EDC, keys, and sidearm come along with me. They are my ‘immediate sources’ for emergency use! My keys are on several different key rings that are all on a carabiner. That carabiner also holds my small flashlight and pepper spray. The carabiner attaches to my EDC’s shoulder strap when not being used, so it’s very easy to grab and detach.

    My EDC weighs 3 1/2 pounds and if needed, I can carry it across my chest, and not over one shoulder as most women do for their purse. My EDC looks like a woman’s purse, but it is so much more!

    Look what I keep in my EDC ‘purse’:
    16 oz Lifefactory glass water bottle & lid (always filled before I leave the house)
    Pepper Spray
    Ready Man Wilderness Card (small stainless tools taken apart to provide saw blades, snare locks, arrow tip, fish hooks, awl, & tweezers )
    Flashlight (Streamlight Microstream)
    Large zippered purse, plastic lined, with the following:
    Altoids Tin w/ several fish hooks, mono line, and sinkers, sewing threads, needles, safety pins
    Magnesium fire starter
    Box of matches
    Lip Balm
    Tissues, plastic baggie
    Bandaids
    Hair brush
    Elastic pony tail bands
    Kerchief
    N95 Mask
    Nitrile Gloves, 2 pair
    Neosporin
    6 Advil, 200 mg
    6 Child’s Advil
    6 Gaviscon
    3 anti-diarrhea tablets (in a blister-pack)
    12 Antiseptic Hand Wipes
    Mirror
    Cell phone
    Cliff Bar, Kind Bar
    Small zippered purse with the following:
    12 Cough drops
    12 Spearmint Lifesavers
    6 packs Wrigley’s DoubleMint gum
    Wallet with the following:
    Cash – Stash of $50 in $1 and $5 bills (plus whatever cash I had in bills and coins)
    Credit cards
    Emergency contact list of phone numbers
    Pen & folded-up paper

    Would I loot? No.
    Would I steal items I felt were ‘needed’? No. However, if my life was dependent upon something and the situation was one of true desperation, then probably.

    I won’t speculate on the five approaching punks without having better definition of the situation.

    1. Great list Modern Throwback.

      Does that 16 oz Lifefactory glass water bottle & lid (always filled before I leave the house) have a filter for refilling it from questionable sources? Berkley makes a nice water bottle with a filter.

      Also could I suggest a pair of socks? When ever I find myself hiking a long distance a change of socks prevents blisters and seems I always end up with wet feet somehow.

      I am going to look over my EDC with your list. Very good one.

      1. me2,
        No it’s a regular water bottle (they’re on Amazon, btw), but I always have it with me. Thinking of adding a Lifestraw to this purse, but dang, that seems to make it more of an official EDC. lol Didn’t see that Berkey had a water bottle w/ a filter, so I’ll check it out. Maybe I could replace my bottle w/ the Berkey bottle and have that problem covered.

        Socks — actually, when I emptied everything out, I did think of a pair of socks. I never leave home in uncomfortable clothing and I have no need for heels in my life, so I’m either in boots of some type or Sketchers. Thinking of blisters, I could surely add some Moleskin — it doesn’t weight much at all.

        Almost everything in my purse was scrounged from the house. Just remember, an Every Day Carry means CARRY, not leave it behind. lol Guys just need to start carrying purses more…

        1. MT
          Good point.
          I always wondered what was in those man-bags, satchels.
          Here I was thinking laptops, extra penny loafers, masculine hygiene products, notes from mommie…

          1. Joe C — You’re so funny! My husband carries one AND he wears cargo pants, too. Why? Pockets! He conceal carries in one of those side pockets on his pants if he isn’t wearing his vest. He was a CC when he worked, too, although the staff had said it was not permitted. Sorry, a job ain’t worth a life…

            In his man-bag, he has quite a few of the same items that I do. I helped him build it up. lol (He doesn’t have the girlie hair stuff, or the pepper spray.)

            I’m thinking that our bags might be weapons on their own — in a Ruth Buzzy style.

          1. Secondrecon

            Please tell me you don’t carry loafers or notes from Mom in it….
            Otherwise there’s a mad swing Ruth Buzzy comin’ at ya from my manpurse….
            Lol

            MT
            Ruth Buzzy.
            Now that’s funny!
            Yep I’m old enough to know ….

    2. I carry a Maxpedition Fatboy Versipack as my purse. It doubles as my EDC bag of course. Here is its typical contents…

      On the OUTSIDE attached via MOLLE or caribiner:

      2 mini-mag flashlights
      Lil Sparky firestarter (ferro rod&striker, one handed operation, large caribiner)
      Ball compass (small caribiner)
      Keys (large caribiner)
      Small ABS plastic pushdagger (keychain sized, 1 inch blade, small caribiner)
      2 bandana’s (square knotted together at one end)
      50 foot Hank of paracord (large caribiner)
      4 speed loaders (45 Colt in 2 cases on leg strap)
      Key ring containing 8 additional keyrings (empty, large caribiner)
      Sillcock key
      Ferro rod, cheap folding knife, paratinder, together on aa key ring (large caribiner)
      Color coded waterproof metal capsules on a keychain
      Red contained dryer lint
      Blue contains 5 Excedrin Migraine pills
      Black contains $25 in small bills
      Small silver is a peanut lighter
      Large silver is fuel for lighter.
      Large caribiner

      In the built in external pockets/pouches:

      Hardshell eyeglasses case with prescription sunglasses
      Leatherman Surge multi-tool
      Cell phone
      Pepper spray (17%)
      Pack of Wet Ones antibacterial baby wipes
      Pocket road Atlas for the USA
      Pocket US Constitution
      Mini spiral notebook
      Passport
      Checkbook
      2 pens
      Credit card sized fresnel lense
      Pencil sharpener
      Extra set of military cottage
      Table napkins
      Space blanket

      In the EDC compartment:

      S&W Governor loaded mix six with three .410 PDX1 Defense & three 45Colt JSHP
      Two pouches of the .410 PDX1 (20 rounds total in the combined pouches)

      In the main compartment:

      1 pack of MAINSTAY 3600 rations (3 days worth of food at 1200 calories each)
      A Sawyer Mini water filter
      Med kit
      Monocular
      SOL Emergency Escape Bivvy
      Quality full tang survival knife

      I typically carry this bag cross shoulder, but you CAN, and I do, wear it on the waist/hip. Yeah, it’s heavy, especially with the big assed revolver. But it’s worth it, just in case, and I am ALWAYS using MOST of the contents regularly for something or another. You would be surprised how handy a monocular can be in every day life…….

      1. – Spent way to long with Uncle.. have to ask though, “Extra set of military cottage,” Hmmm?
        – Papa S.

        1. Actually lived in one of them outside of Fort Gordon in 1969. Company headquarters building sold off as surplus, carted off base and turned into a duplex. The owner bought
          5 or 6 of them and turned it into a little neighborhood. It was a good time in my life, going through 91Charlie training prior to 11 months with the 101st.

          Bought my first pistol there. An IMP 22, Imperial Metal Products made in Kinston, NC. Chambered in 22 short and made out of pot metal. I think it was 9.95 brand new from the 5 and 10 cent store. A true Saturday night special.

          1. – Yeah, but in your EDC?

            Yeah, 91C at Fitzsimons in Denver here. Went from there to III Corps

            – Papa

  6. I have been scavenging all my life. I earned a living for a while by cleaning out peoples garages and barns. I would keep all of the scrap metal as payment for the work. I am still using a riding lawn mower that was left for scrap.
    The difference between scavenging and looting would depend on if the stuff looked like it was abandoned or not. Is that deserted store locked? Are the windows broken? Is any one around that you could ask? I would not kill to take something that was not mine, but I most likely would kill to keep other people from taking my stuff.

  7. Reading the scenario and losing my BOB, I would say this:
    Depending on where I am and day/days traveling the hike home
    Being a type one diabetic would be my main concern. A pharmacy would be my ‘hit’. I could go a day, maybe two or three without injections. It would be rough, but survival is the push to go onward. My BP and cholesterol pills?, screw it.
    Maybe some glucose tabs (not necessary without insulin, tho)
    A Rolex, the 55 in. flat screen, the hiking boots or Darn Tough socks, no thanks.

    Or I can just give up, curl up and die fighting where I am.

    Improvise

    1. Joe C, when you must cut your intake because of supply issue, you also necessarily cut your insulin…that would enable you to stretch what ever supply you have available for a longer time…that extra roll of glucose tablets in your jacket pocket might be your food, so knowing how each tablet of calories affects your energy is important now and for the future.. …Just sayin’

    2. – Joe c., Being a type 1 Diabetic, I could understand your wanting to hit a pharmacy for some insulin. I would want to be very cautious, though, as there is likely to be a bit of competition from people who are looking for “other” items that might be a bit more “controlled”. You might want to explain what you are looking for, prior to any attempt, should there be any sort of LEO or security personnel in the area.
      – Papa S.

      1. Papa S
        Yes-umm.
        Thanks
        That thought has also crossed my mind.

        That is why I carry…..
        …..also my meds.
        Never leave home without ’em.

  8. Looting, Scavenging it is all semantics. It depends on ones perspective. The Scenario you have nothing and need to get home to your family to help them survive…

    My Scavenge list for easy to find common items… I’m just spitballin this list to stimulate the mental juices…
    Hope that my EDC – pistol, flashlight, pocket knife and lighter are still on me… Unless its NAKED & AFRAID :P

    1. Plastic Water Bottle uses or unused (no trucker bombs)
    2. Water hopefully from a clean source.
    3. Plastic trash Bag – helps to keep a lower profile. Good for a poncho
    4. Food – even from a dumpster if necessary.
    5. Rope or cordage – maybe from shoe laces of the dead (unless they are zombies) , strips of clothing, You can pull the cable/ phone cordage and cut coming off of a building.
    6. A good smacking stick from a pallet or other wood tree branch etc. great for smacking rats (food source) or unarmed thugs. You could also grab loose rebar from a construction site maybe find a shovel I am lethal with a shovel water no water-moccasins on my land.
    7. Cover tarp? Could be a seat cover from a car, find one on a construction site, Awning from a store front would be excellent great for a shelter also you can foldup all your supplies into it and use the cable line cordage to create a sling bag.
    8. Junk mail, papers trash has to be dry to help with fire starting.
    I think that would be a good start…

    1. amend number 2. clean water can come from a water heater and even a toilet tank (not the bowl) possible left over water siting in plumbing pipes just break on open. Copper water lines can be punctured easily to drain clean water.

  9. Maybe puncture a gas tank, carry some fuel in an empty plastic bottle for fire starter or to fill your zippo, or barter some gas if you’ve got a few gallons- it might even mean getting a ride toward your b.o.l.

    Use the dollars you still have before they become known as worthless, and yes maybe grab that Rolex on your way out to trade later.

    Some kind of backpack would be a real score. A walking stick for me to keep my balance over rough terrain. Eyes out for something I could fashion into a knife, sword, machete, or spear. Maybe even a few choice rocks to whip at ornery dogs following you.

  10. THIS very thing is WHY i bought several diff books on how to find food and supplies when you have nothing one book is called Building The Perfect Bugout Bag and it has ALOT of tips on how to make things work that most never think of the other book is called finding food ANYPLACE and if you think about it its true food IS everyplace IF YOU KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR even in the middle of nyc IF YOU LOOK IN THE RIGHT PLACES

  11. I would look at the situation and decide what I’ll need. The more you carry the slower you will move. Look at the rule of threes, you can live three minutes without air, three hours without shelter, three days without water, three weeks without food. It would take me three days to walk home, therefore I’ll need shelter (plastic trash bags) and water. Food will be nice to have these three items are necessary to sustain life, the watch is stealing and excess weight.

  12. Remembering the rule of threes and assuming we are breathing (always a good thing) and have some sort of shelter from bad weather, safe water is next. Suffering and dying from bad water is a horrid way to die off.

    Laundromats are a gold mine for small bottles of plain unscented bleach, plastic bags and old clothing. Goodness even “Empty” bleach bottles have enough to treat that one extra bottle of water assuming you use some clean cloth to filter out organic materials like twigs and dirt. Even a broken glass bottle bit can be used carefully with a scrap of cloth to cut an empty bleach bottle into a funnel for that cloth dirt filter.

    If your concerned about stealing leave a little money (as it makes poor fire starting tinder or toilet paper) and maybe a note of sorry and thanks. Most of us have some cash in our pockets.

    Observe, Adapt and Overcome!

    1. If it at a store you can assume they are willing to sell it. Just unable to receive payment currently. So leave an IOU and cell phone #. With promise to settle up when this is over.

  13. The hard part of scavenging would be avoiding becoming a target of others who find it easier to take what you’ve collected rather than go find each item themselves. Which raises the question, do you seek out a weapon first to better defend the supplies you scavenge, or do you seek out supplies first (so they aren’t all gone!), and risk someone taking them from you? A hard choice to make, and potentially fatal if you chose wrong.

  14. Read all the comments….they were just as informative as the article (which was good, btw)

    My take (for what it is worth) is it is not looting if you are taking items the owner is very unlikely to return to claim. The original cache was a couple of water bottles, a bit of food and some trash bags. What is that, $20 tops? IF the world rights itself, I would just replace the items I took to use for my own survival. Since the premise was “The scenario is this… The apocalypse happens.” it is not going to right itself soon and by the time it does those few things I “borrowed” will be very far from the memory of the original owner. (which assumes the owner lives to reclaim his 2 bottles of water) While I was in that work kitchen/break room I would also grab the coffee filters. So many uses for coffee filters in life. :)

  15. – Had this subject on my mind, having been reminded of it several times here lately. I was initially reminded of it with a comment of Lauren’s regarding her father taking her bag out of the car, without necessarily telling her about it. Rather than write what would have been a rather long reply, that could have easily been similar to this article, I told her about what I had done with my DW, who was forever complaining about the bag in her car.

    A smaller, ‘dispersed’ bag tucked away in the spare wheel well of her vehicle. That way if she had the bag out, for some reason, she still had the basics at a minimum. Just start with the five ‘C’s’. Add minimal food and water. Not as convenient, but still a workable solution.

    A long time ago, I spent some time in a class which impressed on me the importance of being able to scrounge basic supplies. We learned to regard a rural trash pile as a treasure trove. The power cord from a discarded box fan fed us for a good while. I hope kevin’s book does as well. It sounds like something one of my classmates could have written.

    I’m not going to feed the trolls, so I will leave this minimum here. A weapon was one of the things we found we had little use for, and cheaper ones worked just fine for what little we did need. I have eaten from more than one deer taken or ‘poached’ with a .22 pistol. Good footwear was more important.

    May Cookie monster never eat your bag.

    – Papa S.

    1. – BTW, MT, love your EDC list. That’s the kind of thing I was hoping to draw out!

      – Papa

  16. Whether or not it is looting is how you define abandoned. I suspect how you define abandoned changed based on the situation.

    Most of us probably scavenge regularly. Trash piles at the curb on trash day. After the garage sales is a great time.

    I keep crap all over. I have stuff in my desk at work. All of the vehicles. No weapons at work though or allowed in the vehicle while parked at work. People have been fired for having a broadhead arrow at work in thei truck but no bow.

  17. Pinky
    If I may ask of this work place….
    How did they discover the broadhead arrow?
    As far as I’m concerned of the workplace:
    Yes, you have rules and policies. You also need a reasonable suspicion to get a warrant to search MY vehicle, on your property.
    Getting fired for a broadhead with no bow is BS. Would the same policy involve pocket knives, tire irons, a metal Mag flashlight, etc.
    A vehicle can be used as a weapon, if one chooses.
    Don’t feel obligated to answer.
    Just curious.

    1. I agree. It is more dangerous with one of the many paper cutters we have in every office center than the pocket knife on a Leatherman. But alas, most anything that can be construed as a weapon is banned and is subjective. So someone in the mail room can have a Stanley knife but someone with a desk job can’t.

      I’m sure someone who had beef with the person took a picture of it in through the window of the truck and reported them.

      On every door and in our handbook it says you and your property can be searched at any time and if you do not consent you can be terminated with cause.

  18. Pinky
    Lawsuit(s), with the right attorney.
    As with MT, so to speak, these corporations with their inadherent rules/policies are therefore are held FULLY responsible for the life and well-being of others that choose to restrict employee ‘s rights of self protection
    I am not an attorney….I just wish I had the smarts to be one.
    I work for one of those employers, that have safety standard policies…..
    I might as well play hopscotch on a busy freeway…..

    1. Pinky
      And i say BS
      We are not slaves to these corporations we work for, they portray us to be.
      These corps have gotten away with far too much.
      How is the job your doing in comparison to the life on the plantation?
      Hell, your answer would be,
      Less than better than as if i were a slave. At the least, I would have some respect as a slave.
      Nope

      Do more for less. Cut costs. We’ll just go thru you as an employee to save money as we spend haphazardly…..ohh, and we have gov assisted write offs on property tax, heating , cooling, electrical
      Do you?
      As we say at the work front:
      Sucks to be you

      1. I think if you were to put it on a scale we are closer to an indentured servant than a slave. Maybe a sharecropper. Not sure. Definitely not free folk.

        I think it is dumb. But the problem is that we have a lot of shitty people that are protected. In some ways I kind of like it because it keeps people from getting physical with each other. The easiest way to get rid of shitty people is to terminate their employment due to a weapons policy violation. Which is why I don’t even have nailclippers in my desk.

        Some people choose to park off-site so they can keep a weapon in their automobile.

        We’d all save a fortune if we eliminated bullshit jobs. But what would those people do?

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