The Majority Of You Will Die In A Food Supply Collapse

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That’s right. And if you think about it – as in, critical thinking, – you will (should) realize the utter devastation that will surely result when the unthinkable happens… a SHTF collapse of our food supply which will kill multi-millions of you.

I only say ‘you’ in reference to the general population. Hopefully ‘you’ reading this are already prepared to some extent, whereas those who are not – will be facing near certain death.

Let me explain…


 
I can’t explain why, but for some reason I am able to clearly see many of the systemic risks within our modern way of life. Perhaps it’s simply because I am not a major sufferer of ‘normalcy bias’ and do not accept that any or all of these systems will remain functional forever. Maybe it’s because I do not automatically accept the ‘status quo’. Instead I know that things do change, and sometimes very rapidly for the worse…

I’m sure that many of you too have the uncanny ability to recognize risk – especially those risks which could devolve and ‘domino’ into catastrophic life-altering results… even those which could potentially kill off many, many, millions of us. It has happened before. Why should it not happen again? Particular in today’s modern era where most people literally depend on many various external systems to keep them alive.

People assume that there will always be food in the grocery stores. People assume that there will always be electricity (and most people have no idea the horrible ramifications of life without electricity). People assume a-lot of things.

My recent article, “The US National Grain Reserves Are Apparently Gone” got me to thinking (again) about our dependency upon readily (and affordable) food in the neighborhood grocery stores. ‘What if’ that were no longer the case?

If there were to be a major food disruption in the United States (for example), my instinct tells me that we would suffer worse than a poor ‘3rd-world’ country. They’ve learned how to survive with little. These countries do not have the ‘hand-out’ social programs as in the US. Can you imagine today’s modern ‘facebook’ generation (for example) having to figure out where to get their next meal?

Here’s a challenge for you… Without defaulting to the thought process that ‘it could never happen’ or without attempting to rationalize that there are no possible circumstances that could add up to such a disruption, just imagine ‘what if’ the grocery store shelves became ‘thin’ or empty… How much food do you think most average Americans have in their homes?

Based on what I’ve read (and my instincts) I suspect that most urbanites and suburbanites probably don’t have much more than one or maybe two weeks of substantial meals to feed their family. In fact, I really believe that it’s probably worse than that on average. Most of our population now live in cities and suburbia. What do you think these people will do after not having eaten for 3 meals? One thing’s for sure, nearly ALL of them will have a priority to find some food! Now imagine 3 days without food? Now we’re talking about some serious hunger – which is something that most of us have not experienced before. What do you think will happen as a result?

Note: I have avoided talking about the water issue, which would be even worse than a lack of food issue…

Have you read “Light’s Out”? That will provide a clue…

Incidentally, there’s a new book out by Ted Koppel (I’m rather shocked that a mainstream media figure is talking about this) which apparently also sounds the alarm. His book is also titled, “Lights Out” (I will be reading this soon).

Why do I say that the majority will die in a food collapse?

Because the majority has no way to procure their own food without ‘money’. And in a situation where there is little or no food to be had, money won’t matter. These people will die.

How long can a person live without food? A more important question is, how long can a person adequately ‘function’ without food – before becoming too weak to really help themselves? Answer: NOT LONG!

Within a month we will have a massive die-off of millions upon millions of people.

Would other nations come to our rescue? And if they did, how much affect would it actually have? (Probably not too much). Since I have not described a scenario of the ’cause’ of food supply collapse, it’s impossible to adequately surmise any possible aid. Maybe most of the world has become affected by the collapse…

Not only will people die from starvation, but many will die from the ensuing chaos. Unless you have a vivid imagination, it might be difficult to imagine the potential horror of a city (all the cities) and suburbia without food (or very little food). While people still had their strength, many would become so desperate to feed themselves and their family that they would turn to doing things that were unthinkable before.

Who would survive? Those who might survive will be those who have at least prepared. Those who have thought ahead and planned and/or changed their way of life to one that’s more self-sufficient and self-reliant. Those who may have relocated to a place better suited for such a life. Those who already have the ability and capability to procure their own food. While none of these are a guarantee, at least they are substantial.

Most people will scoff at the notion of a food supply collapse – because it has never happened in their lifetime and is unthinkable. My response would be that although it would take a seemingly unimaginable set of circumstances to affect the general food supply and distribution system in such a way, the fact is that we as a people LITERALLY rely on a stocked neighborhood grocery store to keep us alive. That in and of itself is motivation enough for me to supplement that with a more self-reliant source (or sources).

I’ve rambled on for a thousand words now, and my point is to simply (but horrifically) imagine life without plentifully filled grocery stores. Imagine how many people would perish because of it. Imagine how long (short) it would take for the chaos and starvation to take its toll. And then ask yourself what are you going to do about it…

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  1. most americans WOULD die off very fast, and those who DONT prep laugh at those who do, guess who is gonna be the first to die, i have no pity for those that dont

    1. this didn’t really answer my question, so I hope you can! first, let me lay down the facts in my ” theoretical reality”! a global oil shortage begins in the early 2030s, as the global population hit’s nine billion! as the insect population continues to plummet by ten percent every year. now this just my opinion, but I believe the major cities are the first people in the developed world to feel this global recession. 676 million city dwellers die in first few months. Europe is permanently f’d! most of the U.K dies off from starvation. riots within Europe reach all-time high, as millions of civilians migrate back and forth. china as a communist nation can deter and control it’s food shortages and population until some kind of civil war occurs. most island nations have been facing the effects of global warming so they might be able to withstand a longer period time than most, but will still succumb to starvation. prior to the first world having any real damage from all of this most Latin, African, and middle eastern nations will have suffered from these issues for months if not years. then the territories of the world powers might feel a strain, and finally the first world. a third world war would begin soon after the fall of the third world, Russia, and the U.S will attack poor nations for their resources the U.S will be concerned with oil most of all. since we are dependent on foreign nations supply are growing demands. Russia will attempt to regain land

      1. I began preaching the oil shortage collapse back in the 1980’s when I first learned about peak oil. I actually predicted back then the collapse/revolution/revolt occurring in 2024 (and the new middle ages starting in 2036.) It was just a guess. Today, I think oil, and climate for that matter, will play a supporting role but the true world armageddon will begin when the food supply collapses and that has already begun.

  2. I keep telling my family and friends to look at Venezuela Food shortages of 2015 on you tube. Its down right scary. That could very well happen here in the near future. The poultry industries in the Middle and Southern US have been hit hard with Bird Flue. Eggs and Chicken prices have gone up a lot in the last few months. The droughts on the west coast will impact food prices and shortages. The recent activity of the USA sending 30 Nuclear weapons to Germany, are some serious and alarming. Google it, I was shocked to see in on a CNN website. These are so many other influencing factors that I could mention but don’t want to loose focus with topic at hand. I strongly urge family & friends to be prepared.

    1. My recipe for Topsoil: Use ¼ blended compost, ¼ peat moss, ¼ vermiculite or pearlite, and ¼ charcoal. Charge with fertilizer first, the let the mixture sit until charcoal crumbles. (2-3 months in rainy weather)
      Perlite and sand help drainage.
      Fertilizer can slightly reduce water needs. NEVER WALK ON GROWING SOIL. Loose soil encourages plant growth.

      1. …better stock those ingredients now…we don’t have peat moss year round, nor the other things, might can get compost, but I doubt it…but the neighbor does have cows, so that one I could get, not so much to get uncontaminated charcoal, or the others…all needed soil builders…and don’t forget to get the shade cloth in hot climates and use the mulch to give the snakes a place to hide…just sayin’

    2. I spent the last 4 years INSIDE Venezuela. There’s been no food shortages and absolutely no starvation. It is fake news spread by Venezuela’s opposition in the USA and Europe. The supermarkets were all FULLY STOCKED.

  3. Not only food, but other things like medical supplies.
    You know how the media reports **** we don’t really care about or are all lies??
    Well, so far, I have read two articles that the railroad transportation is in critical need of monies to continue operating–think about the trucks not getting their loads.
    Sort of an ‘Atlas Shrugged’ moment may be in our future, huh.

  4. I know people who eat take out daily with bare minimum food in the house. Then I know another family that decides what they want to eat for dinner that night, then purchase it that day. Again with bare minimum food in the house.

    It doesn’t even have to be a major collapse for shortages to appear. Sandy was a one day event, but the effects were felt for weeks after, from shortages in the grocery stores because trucks could not get through, to stores with no power therefore unable to open. People who do not keep at the very least a 30 supply on hand are doomed to be the first to succumb.

    1. When I went to college, I did that–ingredients bought for that night and usually left overs the second night ’cause I had 3 day classes.
      Now?? How could I have been that carefree??
      Ah, youth.

  5. I shop in one of the larger Wal Mart in western Kentucky and Thursday is a better shopping day. This morning there were several bare spots in most all of the shelves. This being the middle of the month, makes you wonder why.

  6. I have talked to many of my friends about food and they all tell me they have 3-4 days worth in the house. They eat out so much that they don’t keep much at home!! I now have 3 mths worth and try to add 1 month to it every month.
    Love this site for all the info and great comments!!

    1. A word of caution. The more non preppers you share info that you are prepping, the more people may show up at your door when SHTF expecting you to share your supplies.

      1. I couldn’t agree more, never do I mention prepping to friends, coworkers , neighbors and most of our family. After all we are the ” nut jobs” anyway in their eyes.our resources would disappear in weeks once the cats out of the bag.

      2. Being Watched: There is nothing as great as hunting on a baited field. Especially when there is no bag limit. thanks

          1. Ditto and Jon: Geez guys, I kinda thot ‘baited field’ would be self explanatory. People throw small grain down in a field to attract game birds, dove and so forth, for a good hunt. Therefore if the nonpreppers know that you have food and show up in the looting mode at your front door then all you have to do is point and shoot. Since the law will not be around during teotwawki there will be no bag limit (such as dove, which I think is 12 per day). The bait is your preps, ok. Thanks and hope this explains things.

          2. Good way to get burned out by pissed off neighbors.
            I’m playing it safe…rice for everybody. Get water from the ponds and start boiling and bleaching.
            Don’t know how to cook it?? Oh, well.

          3. Your better off hiding/burying your food supplies, then play hungry like everyone else.

  7. We use Gamma Seal@ lids a lot on our food grade bucks, easy to grab and get out of the house. Those lids btw can be purchased for about half of what everyone else sells them for at Menards.com in Wisconsin, Minnesota. The local Dollar store is minutes away and has pretty much everything a beginner would need to get started.

    1. Gamma Seal lids work great. The best deal that I have been able to find was about $6 each delivered. I think that I had to get a dozen at a time. Be sure to get some extra rubber gaskets.

    2. I use those gamma buckets but as an alternative I have found that the 64oz juice containers, like cranjuices that are sold at the grocery/big box store work very well..they have a number of uses for dry food storage, frozen or unfrozen water storage, have even made funnels out of them, do not pass them up in a crisis a clean plastic container will be worth a lot……they hold as an example about 7 lbs of rice and are easy to fill, carry, use and also to pass out as a charity gift. You buy these for 2 dollars and change, enjoy the juice and have a free food grade plastic container that is extremely durable………I have some of these that have been in use for over 10 years and still going strong.

      1. One concern about newer containers. A lot, if not most, are *intended* to biodegrade. Might be a real surprise.

      2. good info, thanks.

        and yes, one wonders about the new containers, which will bio degrade.

        how does one know? are these labelled?

    1. Buckets are, for me anyway, cheaper to get local. Lowes has/had non food grade for $2 each. Food grade were about $4 each. Save your money on the gray lids, they’re garbage.

      1. If you use Mylar bags, the bucket doesn’t have to be food grade. Seems like almost every pplastic drum is noe “food grade”.

    2. Thox Spuddy
      Have you checked with the larger grocery stores that have bakeries?
      I have two stores that will give me the buckets & the lids already washed out for FREE. You just have to ask the employees if they are allowed to give the buckets out. I bring ours home and wash the buckets and lids again with Dawn. That stuff can strip the oils off your hands, so i wear rubber gloves. In the summer time I wash them outside in a large washing tub, winter time in the bathtub. These are used for long term storage, just make sure you have the special tool to open these lids they seal tight.
      Gamma lids have broken on us, should you stack to high or with to much weight on them. They need a weight disbursement either 2×4’s or pieces of small plywood, not over 3 buckets from what I have read.
      Hope this helps you and anyone else who needs these for storage.
      Almost forgot check with your local B/King, ask for the bucket they receive their pickle in, and they might give them to you. As for the pickle smell, I have no idea. Good Luck

  8. Part of survival is being resourceful and stocking up. Ask yourself what did the pioneers do when they had no stores for their supplies? They started out with basic materials and used their skills with them to survive. They stored what they raised, gathered, hunted and traded in food for the harsher months when food was hard to find.

    It was required by the Canadian Gov’t for those going to Dawson for the gold rush have a year’s worth of basic provisions.
    For each man:

    FOOD:
    200 pounds of bacon
    400 pounds of flour
    85 pounds assorted dried fruit
    50 pounds cornmeal
    35 pounds rice
    24 pounds coffee
    5 pounds tea
    100 pounds sugar
    25 pounds fish
    15 pounds soup vegetables
    50 pounds oatmeal
    50 pounds dried potatoes
    50 pounds dried onions
    25 cans butter
    100 pounds beans
    4 dozen tins condensed milk
    15 pounds salt
    1 pound pepper
    8 pounds baking powder
    2 pounds baking soda
    1/2 pound mustard
    3/4 pound ginger
    36 pounds yeast cakes
    (Yukon/Klondike gold rush stampeder’s supply list, 1898)

    This is to make sure they were independent because there were no stores. Do you have this much stored? (I lack some of the supplies listed, but have others not listed here)

    1. My dad grew up on a farm without electricity and they bought a years’ worth of fish salted in wooden barrels they kept in the basement. They kept their carrots and potatoes under piles of hay in the yard and dug through the snow and hay to get to it throughout the cold western Minnesota winter.

    2. Thanks for sharing the list. I do enjoy reading lists from the past (and present) of such things. It provides insight into what others thought (or think) regarding what was or is important to have regarding food stores. Looking at a list from 1898 is certainly unique.

      1. I saw the Bacon used as a lard instead of oil or butter. Ginger was used as a medicine for stomach aches. (“Housekeeping in Old Virginia” circa 1879) Really it can’t be all that unhealthy, my pioneering great-grand and grand-parents worked off all that fat and lived 90 years or more. Most of them were skinny……the heavier one lived to 94.

    3. I wish I had 200 pounds of bacon, but alas its, chicken for us as we try to eat healthier. I only keep about 20 pounds of bacon, as it is used in some recipes where there is no substitute.

  9. Pets would probably disappear quickly like N. Korea. When daddy’s little girl says Daddy I’m hungry. That’s how bad it will get and most people don’t get it. My biggest worry is having to shoot someone like that. Someone just trying to feed their kids. But if its them or me and mine no questions asked bang.

  10. Your topics are getting down to the nitty gritty of survival of what is coming!

    Food and water are the most important for survival. Being able to hang on to what you have once you have acquired it is also important. Proper packaging and the right tools for preparing it and good receipes are important to. I guess the gain of knowledge of all this is important also.

    Last but not least having a group of like minded people to band together
    as a community will be able to survive much better for what is about to happen! When starvation hits this world will become very dangerous place.
    Trying to convince others of the importance of starting to prepare, espicially to relatives can get frustrating.

  11. “Why Most People Will Die in a Food Collapse: It Takes Six Months Just to Make a Chicken Sandwich”

    thedailysheeple.com, thanks to ‘the preparedness podcast’

  12. This could be an analogy for ‘I don’t have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.’ I wonder if bears like sheep? Try not to be bear chow.

    Read a description of a series on Youtube titled ‘How to make a sandwich’. Apparently it took six months and cost $1500 for the first model. Talk about R&D expenses!

  13. Several have mentioned it, and I too am amazed at how many people go out to eat or get ‘take-out’ for many or most of their weekly meals. This in itself implies that these people have little to no food in their house.

    Some who do this regularly are ‘well off’ enough such that they don’t want to spend their time cooking domestically (or shopping for food) and are living a ‘busy’ life consumed by their career and/or other things. I get that… up to a point – however if it were me, I would not do that at the expense of not having any decent food storage in the house or while ignoring the risks that we face. But then again, I guess I’m different whereas these people are mostly cogs in the wheel of ‘the system’ – doing what they are ‘supposed to do’.

    1. In my eyes, the “well off” will be some of the first to go when the SHTF as they obviously have no real clue that money will not save them.

      1. You are exactly correct… Money can only buy you so much – and then it’s up to YOU and your abilities, etc…

        People who are 100% career-minded and making lots of money are the same people who as a result have little time for themselves. That’s just how it works. The more money you make, the more closely you’re tied to your job and the more expectations that you give them nearly 24/7 your time. These people might be well off with regards to the numbers in their bank accounts and their ‘shiny things’, but they are more than likely blinded to real-world systemic risks and the mindset of preparedness.

        1. This is the conversation that we routinely visit. It is quite striking how in our neighborhood the people with the money buy stuff whenever they’re ‘down’. Their kids are obstinate little snots. The neighbors with meager lifestyle have kids that are well behaved and content with little.

    2. Ken,
      I thought the point of this topic was to address the issue that when ‘the system’ collapses to be prepared and that most are not prepared.

      The title, ‘Most of You Will Not Survive A Food Supply Collapse’ is not true! Most of us reading this article will have an above average chance of surviving! Its those that either dont know of this site or suffer from normacy bias that will starve and most of those are egnoring the warning signs.

      Since the MSM refuses to announce this pending crisis many of your readers are risking the chance of their own safety after the collapse by announcing the importance preparing. I suggest to my follow preppers to use wisdom in choosing those that you approach about preparing for the pending food stortage.

      1. @Being Watched,

        Regarding your issue with the title of the article, perhaps you missed the second sentence which reads,

        “I only say ‘you’ in reference to the general population. Hopefully ‘you’ reading this are already prepared to some extent, whereas those who are not – will be facing near certain death.”

        I used the word, “you” to provoke emotion. It seems it worked ;)

  14. Years ago when we lived in logging camps our pickup engine had problems so DH had to send it out & sent it to town on a lumber truck. 3 weeks later it was back & ready to install. Of course since we were 3 hrs from town & people didn’t gad about like today we had a fair amount of food on hand but we hadn’t just done a shopping run. By the time we could go for groceries we were pretty low, especially since our 2 yr old had knocked the glass jar of salad oil out of the cupboard & it broke. I never want to get that low on food again. I was out picking rose hips to eat as that was the only wild fruit left at that time of year. It does not take a major financial collapse or war to cause a shortage of food.

    After we started farming the garden was the backbone of our yearly food supply. I therefore got used to having at least 8 mo. of veg. in a root cellar, canned & later in a freezer.

    Now many years later after working out & coming back to the farm we now rely on the garden again. When I look at the world situation I am so thankful I have learned to do these things because some take practice to get them right.

    1. I hear you Canadagal. We went through some tough times early in our marriage where things got so low I was watering down the milk so the kids had enough for their cereal, and watered down juice. It was soup many nights as that could also be watered down to stretch the meal.

      During those times I would sit and plan and make list of all that I wanted to have on hand. I also vowed I would not let that happen again. At the time I thought I was doing good, as I had no concept of how long something would last. I remember having 3-5 pound bags of flour and thought that should last about 3 months. It didn’t even last 3 weeks. This for a family of 5.

  15. I read an interesting account of German POW’S IN Russian camps during WW2.Russians could hardly feed themselves much less the POW’S.The POW’S resorted to going thru their own feces and picqing out any un digested food and re eating it.The buildings were so cold that bodies did not decompose so they would not tell the guards that men had died so they could get the extra rations.They would also eat the livers and kidneys from men who had just died.

    Our own Government did food deprivation tests in the 50’s.

    It was something as 3 days and men would consider violence to get food.

    7 days would consider murder to get food.

    10 days to consider eating other people as food…

    The cities are a death trap and human suffering over all will be horrific if our food supply collapses…THAT’S WHY I PREP…

    1. Thanks for posting the deprivation test results. Very interesting… This is the exact type of thing that I believe most people have no idea about – the fact that it will not take long at all for people to become very desperate and even violent in a food-collapse scenario. It is stunning (to me) how 99% (or whatever the percent) of people take entirely for granted that there will ‘always’ be food in their grocery store. No thoughts whatsoever regarding disruption or worse…

    2. If that is the case, consider the average family has 3 days of food, so after the food supply stops, you have about 6 days before violence hits hard in the neighborhood, and I believe in cities that every house and apartment will be hit by starving gangs unless they are stopped by a good defense system, on alert 24/7.

      As far as re-supplies for the left over 10 to 15% of survivors, there were many Native tribes that thrived before white man and no stores existed. I don’t worry much since over 400 nuke plants would blow and realistically there wouldn’t be any survivors if 85%-90% of the population were starved out. Being prepared for something that can’t be stopped is another aspect to preparing to meet your Maker.

    3. Statistic’s like the food deprivation study’s is one reason I advocate “disappearing” till the worst is over. Opsec will get a lot of prepared people killed. Most here are GOOD people and believe in community. Helping others is fine and I will ONCE THE DIE OFF is done. Don’t endanger your self or family till its over. Your supplies will not help others during an event but they may when you reappear.

      1. Very good advice. Based on the study, I very much believe that “isolation” would be key for that first couple weeks. Spread your food supply storage in two to three places too so as not to be wiped out in the event of one stash being taken.

      2. I was told once to break a few windows so it looks like your house has already been looted, and go deep. Find a bolthole and stay there for the duration.

  16. It took me about 3.2 seconds to order “Lights Out” after reading the first preview page, Thanks Ken for the recommendation. Off Subject;any idea when #7 in the Going Home series is coming out.

    Back on subject; I do remember back in the old days early 60s my Depression Surviving Parents going to great lengths to tell stories of their times to “make it through” the depression, and how the shelves would be as empty as the Article Photo even if you had money. I remember the times even growing up how my family would do everything to never and I do mean NEVER waste a single scrap of food (or anything else). If the SHTF and we see what we all think we might, God help us all.

    Unfortunately I’ll play devils advocate for a second and say the Depression lasted how many years? How many months of food are we all planning to store? How much fuel? How much medical supplies? How much Ammo? And we all know the stats on the Depression and the distribution of people “on the farms”.

    There is a lot of talk about 80% and 95% death rates and so-on, I hope it’s less that expected, but believe it will be worse. Can we really expect to survive for 10-20-30 years without outside re-supplies? Personally I hope we never come to find out.
    NRP

    1. Coincidentally, Penguin Random House just contacted me today regarding a review of Ted Koppel’s new book. Given that I am surprised that such a mainstream figure would write a book which sounds the alarm of our extreme vulnerability to our reliance upon electrical systems and the extreme risks thereof, I am intrigued to read the book and post on it…

      The other (original) ‘Lights Out’ by David Crawford is very good.

      1. @ Ken
        It will be very interesting to see if Ted Koppel’s version is a watered down version or a true image of the dangers that we face. Being on Nightline an ABC program and with ABC for 42 some years, hopefully he keeps his hard hitting attitude and portrays something worthy of his reputation.
        NRP

    2. The main goal is to have enough supplies to get you through to the first growing season. Long enough to get your feet under you and adjust to the new reality.

  17. “Can you imagine today’s modern ‘facebook’ generation (for example) having to figure out where to get their next meal?”

    On the occasion, i’ve actually asked my classmates what they would do if any large scale crisis were to happen. (Of course, usually discreetly) Their response is usually along the lines of “I would probably die” without blinking an eye.

    I know that if/when it comes down to it–they’ll be a just a tad more concerned than that, trying to battle against death and survive. Honestly though, I don’t think they would–not unless they got lucky. People don’t know how to do anything anymore. People sit in class with tablets, keyboards, and large headphones not to mention other things that they’re privileged to have, they spout highly liberal and philosophical ideas, and laugh at anyone who has a different thought. (You should’ve seen the looks on their faces when I tried to argue against abortion) I’m wondering what on Earth they would end up doing when the SHTF. I could hunt and live rurally with a family that doesn’t mind stocking up a little, but the mortality rate would be shockingly high. I even acknowledge that I and my family are at high risk as well.

    1. Quote, “People sit in class with tablets, keyboards, and large headphones not to mention other things that they’re privileged to have, they spout highly liberal and philosophical ideas, and laugh at anyone who has a different thought.”

      We now live in a modern technological society which assumes that ‘others’ will always take care of one’s basic (and beyond) needs – without a second thought as to where it (their needs) come from, who is involved (with providing their needs), and the smoothly functioning systems that are required to provide this luxury. No clue whatsoever. And therefore no sense of the potential risks involved in such life-and-death assumptions…

      1. If it weren’t so sad it would be amusing to watch them take selfies with their killers. Assuming that they even knew that death had arrived.

      2. What scares me the most would be how quickly they would consider violence. I can tell you, it would probably be quicker than six days. We have an indifferent and desensitized society that is morally bankrupt, and I think that if things were to get bad, even the youth will think of murder as an option quickly.

  18. There are three phases to giving up. Pre-Transit-Post. Most of our society has given up before we even got started, that is the Pre part. They will surely die while vainly attempting to ‘Transition’ to begging, foraging, and scavenging during teotwawki. Post does not exist for them. For those of us who have prepared, even to great extents, we will sooner or later have to transition to growing food, foraging, and scavenging also. If anyone will accept it, I have been living quite will on five basic wild plants, and they are, plantain, pigweed, purslane, lambsquarters, and chickweed. Nutgrass seed provides the protein, along with soaked acorns. Pine needles and Arizona Ash leaves are also good and all of the above have been plentiful down here in Texas. Winter is coming on but it rarely freezes south of I-10. Well, anyway folks, the best advice is to begin your transition now. If you are going to be called a nut, might as well go all the way with it. thanks and hope the humble advice helps.

  19. Recently on C-Span there was a program about a new book by Laura Ingalls Wilder, “Pioneer Girl.” Actually it was her first book finally published decades after her death with annotations, pictures, maps, and commentary by an editor. The book was not very good, which is probably why no one would buy it during the depression. She eventually sold it is a series of children’s books.

    After watching the C-Span show, I checked out “Pioneer Girl” from the library. I had forgotten (after 60+ years since I read it in grade school) the story of the Long Winter, when the snow covered the train tracks to depths higher than a man’s head and no trains or supplies could get in. The 100+ residents braided hay to burn for heat and ate their seed wheat to survive. Today, not many of us have fields of hay nearby or bushels of seed wheat to grind into flour.

  20. What am I doing about it? I’m stocking my shelves and other areas with food, water, toiletries, first aid supplies and meds. I raise my own meat, eggs, vegetables. I buy bulk wheat, oats, powdered milk, potatoes. The better my family and I are prepared, the better our chances of surviving.

    1. @Tango: Disease will be everywhere that is why we have revamped our water filtration thinking and have purchased the 1.0, 2.0, and Community Life Straw water filters to supplement the smaller individual ones. The larger ones also filter out viruses. This will be critical during teotwawki. There will be no such thing as unfiltered safe drinking water. thanks.

  21. Just wondering , if other people have noticed how people act.

    On a nice sunny day in the middle of the week , how people will practically run you over because your not driving 5 miles over the speed limit .
    I guess there in a big hurry to get to the mac donalds drive-thru. Or how rude people can be to a store clerk for no reason , all this when things are going good .
    If there was a real food shortage or problem people would go nuts , at least about 30% of population I think .

    1. I have noticed how people act and it is worse in some areas (L.A. comes to mind). People jockeying for advantage, cut you off on the freeway so they can get to the exit 1.2 seconds faster. Just remember that it isn’t against the law to be rude but IMHO, it should be. The world would be a nicer place.

  22. Will we all be so callous to our neighbor? Have we not been given understanding of the events to not only prepare ourselves but to prepare to help others? We discus the self centered masses in the metro areas, but listen to us. Joseph of the Old Testament was given seven years to prepare for a great famine, and he saved not only Egypt but the surrounding populations. I think America’s future will be decided not by a catastrophe, but how we as a people respond to it. I hope we all consider ways to utilize our understanding, skills, and passion for life to help lesson the impact of such an event. If We as a nation are brought down so hard and 95% of us die, who will be left to defend against a foreign enemy from walking in and making us subjects? If we look at our countryman and see an enemy we have already lost. Be ready to educate, give the “sheeple” some meaningful work to contribute to the general welfare. Yes, I have firearms and ammo, more than I care to divulge, but I will give everyone a chance to embrace life. If you are not willing to help, move on, if you are crooked, be ready to push up daisies. I can’t help but think of the 24th chapter of Mathew’s Gospel…

    “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation, and put you to death; and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10And then many will fall away,* and betray one another, and hate one another. 11And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12And because wickedness is multiplied, most men’s love will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.

    Have our hearts already grown cold? I believe this passage tells us that those who endure, in love, to the end, will be saved. That’s all for now. Peace. Mack.

    1. Amen! I know all the reasonings not to share with others…If I have enough food for two years for my family, but I share with everyone on my street, we’ll have food for less than a month. Yet, at the same time, I know we need to help others–somehow without letting them know how much we have, or they will not learn to cut back until it is all gone, and they will not learn to forage, garden, etc., because it won’t seem necessary until everything is gone. I do believe that we are supposed to help our neighbors,anyway. It would be easier if I were further in the country and had fewer neighbors! (Ha-ha) If we are the “sheepdogs,” then we are supposed to protect the “sheep,” putting ourselves in danger for them, right? What will I do when TEOTWAKI actually happens? I can’t say for sure, but part of the reason I store so much is to help others.

      1. @Wendy: The Bible also says, “Cast not your pearls before swine, lest they be trampled under and rendered against you.” Alas, I don’t know how to justify walking away and not sharing with children. Many children in our neighborhood have seen the way I prep and they have begged their parents to do likewise, and they all refuse. So very, very sad. thanks

      2. I was told by several people last year that they don’t bother to plant a garden because I provide enough for them all. This year my garden wasn’t as prolific so the neighbors had to do without (unless they wanted piles and piles of winter squash)…I can’t help wondering if any of them got the message.

        In an SHTF event, I have the seeds and the knowledge to help anyone who wants grow their own garden and harvest the weeds. If it’s winter, I can help them set up an indoor garden that will get them through to the first growing season.

        That’s what my seed storage is for. First line of defense against people who are hungry–help them eat, without giving it to them.

    2. Actually, I was thinking the same thing. Don’t get me wrong, I intend to defend myself, and my family from attack. But to those that are humble and ask nicely, I would gladly offer refuge, even if we are not set to provide it. The moment we lose sight of what’s really important, we’ve already lost. Instead of living, we would just survive.

  23. Well said, Mack…

    “…unless God cut short those days, no flesh would be saved. But on account of the chosen ones, those days will be cut short.”

  24. helping people is a noble endeavor

    BUT

    you put too many people in the lifeboat
    its gonna capsize
    and EVERYONE drowns

    1. True. But, without a rescue operation, a personal flotation device will only slow your own demise.

          1. Adding skills as a metaphor… What a concept.

            Anyway, just read that the Cubs are now favored to win the World Series. What else do you need to convince you that the end is at hand?

      1. Mack your word are well intended and a Christion attitude. The numbers make charity foolish. If you have a years food supply and you take on 1 more mouth to feed you have 6 months if its 3 your down to 3 months. It takes 6 to 9 months for a garden to come in, the same on animals maturing for harvest. Charity should be held for those that survive not for those that come begging. It would only delay their death but condemn the giver as well.

          1. I live in the perfect place with plenty of natural resources for food. If someone came to me during a food shortage, I’d rather teach him the knowledge to get food himself. If I give a man a fish, he will come back hungry again. If I teach a man to fish, he will learn to feed himself and eat for a lifetime.
            And, oh yeah, there’s an artesian well down the road; it’s cold, free, pure spring water. No need for filters or treatment.

          2. Teach him to fish and he will be in your fishing hole forever.

          3. Funny! my experience told me 40 years ago never lead a thief to your treasure chest. I caught a state record fish on my birthday 5 years ago in my favorite spot that always yielded plenty. I released it not only because I would take out a possible reproducer of my fish, but I wanted no one to know where I caught it for public records and protect my secret fishing hole from hoards of fishermen over fishing the lake.

            People told me to lie where I caught it, but if I were that dishonest, I may as well net fish all the big record ones and say I caught them legally. I won’t lose my soul to gain the world.

  25. In 1964 one of the largest earthquakes to strike North America happened in Alaska. There are 2 movies about this earthquake that when I was in the army stationed at Ft. Richardson now Joint base Elmendorf/Richardson (JBER) pronounced J Bear, we were required to watch once a year. There are 2 versions of “Though the Earth Be Moved” a 30 minute one and one an hour long version. If you can find them well worth watching for the magnitude of damage involved. Today some of the damage can still be seen if you know where to look. Things were different then then now. Almost everyone had a garden of sorts since it usually took 2 weeks for anything ordered “outside” to arrive by mail. In 1974 the TV shows were still 2 weeks behind their showing in the lower 48 but today we now have same day showing. The population then was less than 100,000 whereas today we are pushing in excess 350,000. In 1996 my wife & I were on a Red Cross DAT Team (disaster team) during one of our training sessions it was brought up that Anchorage and for the most part most of Alaska had only 2 weeks of food in stock in the warehouses. If another ’64 quake happened there would be food rationing. Then there were around 200,000 people in Anchorage today more than 350,000. My wife & I sometimes go to the grocery stores around 4 in the afternoon and you can tell when the people get off from work. All the stores now have whole roasted chicken or rack of BBQ ribs for these people to take home. There are 2 Costco & 2 Sam’s they each put out about 50 fully cooked birds each day and the 5 Cars/Safeway,5 Fred Meyers and 3 Wall Marts all put out about 20 birds each. By 7 pm most nights none are left. Monday thru Friday weekends are a little less. We rely on 2 ships a week and several barges a month. On Sundays and Wednesdays the ships dock and if you go grocery shopping Sunday or Wednesday night there are some bare or thin areas in the grocery stores. The hardest hit areas are fresh foods. If there was another ’64 size quake the railroad tracks would be twisted so no help from the ports of Whittier or Seward that’s if they survive the Tsunami. The port of Anchorage would likely collapse and if the floor of Cook Inlet rose it would have to be dredged and it would be weeks or months to get any meaningful relief because both the runways at Elmendorf AFB and Anchorage International would need inspection and possible repair. The road system would also be compromised there are only 2 roads out of town one north and one south and both would likely be severely damage and possibly impassable by either collapsed bridges to the north or land/rock slides to the south.

    The good news is about half of the population is sport hunters and fishermen but with no electricity those freezers full of fish and meat would soon spoil but most of these people have motorhomes or generators so the generator from these would keep them running while the fuel lasted and would provide temporary shelter if needed.

    As I drive around town I notice how many apartments and housing areas that don’t have any sign of gardening and those that have just flower gardens and the density of the population. I have been told by people in the know that there still is only a 2 week supply of food in Anchorage for the whole state, we ship by rail and truck to Fairbanks and other towns on the road system and if anything went longer than a month that things would get very nasty. If anything lasted 2 months or more about 50% of Anchorage would be gone.

    I will not go in detail of my preps but last year I relearned how to garden and how to can and this year was a much better year and next year will be even better. There are 2 areas in town where people go to feed the ducks and well a few slices of bread and a big fishing net …..
    As for charity I have a few neighbors I trade garden produce with and I am instructing the teenage boy of one, his father has passed, how to shoot but charity begins at home.

    I am not sitting back waiting I am constantly improving my skills, knowledge, food stock and defenses.
    As for the other subject I’m a Vietnam Vet I did, I can and I will again if needed.

    1. We are in the same boat here in Hi with regards to short supply and long on stupid.
      Ive never had to but know i can and know it will come to that eventually,

    2. oldalaskan, your write-up is “spot-on” we are quickly coming to a face to face with an event that is going to so huge and terrible that most will not comprehend in time to survive. Will Rogers had a saying that “there are three types of people in the world, those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that wonder what in the hell just happened”.

    3. @oldalaskan, Thanks for sharing that story and your observations. It certainly is clear that today’s modern conveniences (e.g. picking up a cooked bird on the way home…) have also created dependent people (assumption that it will always be there). It is a double-edge sword.

  26. My Mom told me of the depression that she grew up in and how they canned food. My Grandma had a green thumb. She had apple trees,pear trees,plumb trees and cherry trees. The vegetable garden was awesome. So many tomatoes and she canned a lot. Bums would come by and she would give them a sandwich, an apple and a nickel. But the most memorable was my Mom’s story of her pet goose that got cooked for dinner and she wouldn’t eat it. Just a thought.

  27. Would massive starvation die off be in line with Agenda 21 plan for depopulation? Sounds like we dropped the ball somewhere by not teaching the post-depression generations to be prepared for the possibility that there could be another collapse. Why was great host of lessons that were gleaned from that era not passed down in a serious way in order to help people to know to be prepared, just in case?

    1. How did It happen? Depression day’s lessons were learned, everyone in the family went to work and milked and plowed before school time, cut 4 ft wood and cross ties on days off from school and Observed Sunday services every sunday. Respected their parents grandparents and Uncles and Aunts…Those children born in 1934-1938era grew up, formed families and sraped to get by..when the children got old enough for school..The house wives and home makers needed to go to outside employment so the family could pay bills and feed a family. The Dad’s that were home and able from the depression worked like a team of mules til they were so tired they were not able to teach their children.( Those parents obtained their GED’s after they were 40 years old….and Here I am, learning how to can, dehydrate and store ..food without refrigeration for long term storage, how to produce rich soil and grow plants in non-traditional methods,ie.. small spaces, no soil, fish emulsion?…using the internet for directions, recipes and encouragement.

  28. I fully expect to die surrounded by a pile of brass in a fire that i set myself to deny my supplies that i was defending from a hoarde of unprepared neighbors and others who decided i should feed them.
    If anyone thinks they will take from me nobody will get anything but ash.

    1. Good plan,save one round so you don’t feel the pain but die with a smile on your face. Talk about a fire fight!!!

    2. Don’t they use thick gas, might even be jellied, in the tropics? Works better in the heat? That and a few beers and you’re set. You could channel Robert Duvall with a set of playing cards..

  29. Some things are vital to survival (besides your health of course) food & water and guns & ammo. Food and water to nourish our bodies and guns and ammo to protect our food and water! Oh, and the most important thing is spiritual nourishment through the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ. We are all going to die someday and eternal life sure is a plus for the believers.

  30. Sometimes I read these posts and get scared and depressed. I “store” a little extra food, but I don’t hide it. So, if the government decides to redistribute it, my food is GONE. Also, I live right outside of town.., those “people” we talk about all the time WILL come to my house looking. I can and will shoot, but I don’t think I could shoot them ALL. Eventually, I and my family are NOT going to make it. It just makes me feel like it’s all just not worth it sometimes. I’m just wasting my time trying to get prepared.., we’re going to die anyway. Damn.

    1. @Billy, Don’t let it get to you… While there is validity in the notion of SHTF preparedness to the extreme (total collapse) and the discussion thereof, there is also ‘tons’ that you can do before getting to that level of thinking. Don’t worry about it for now. There are lots of other scenarios that occur more regularly in our day-to-day lives which a little preparedness can go a long way towards helping you. You are NOT wasting your time…

      1. Ken, well said.

        and doing a small bit, regular, adds up.

        Also, Billy, put up a bit extra regular, but do try to distribute it around your living area/storage area, bits here and there. Won’t hurt to spread out your storage, and might help.

        and, in the short / medium/ long term, for a different mindset, maybe look at it as “saving money”. Saving money to put up a few more stores, saving money for something needed, saving money for……

        for example…Brand name cans of soup (round where I live) can vary from one to two dollars. I hit a sale at .25 per can. Bought a chitload. Now that is a pretty big saving. I do buy the odd thing “regular priced” or “small sale”, but mostly I wait for stupid cheap sales, stupid cheap manager’s special. All big savings. Allows me stores to last a long while, and big money saving. No waste if nothing ever happens, because…well, it gets rotated and eaten…

        so, if long term prepping is overwhelming..
        think about how much money you would like to save in the next six months, and try to buy your goods only on stupid cheap sales. Takes a bit of work, but once you practice you will spot manager’s specials / stupid cheap sales like a pro..

    2. @ Billy
      In my honest opinion, and I’ll probably get booed for saying this, being “prepared” and being a “prepper” has very little to do with the amount of “stuff” you have in the kitchen. Being prepared is a life-style, a mindset, knowledge. You said — “I “store” a little extra food”—. Why? Because someone told you to buy a few extra cans of tuna? probably not. If your reading this Blog and thinking “what can I do to be ready for XYZ” than your more aware and prepared than 90% of the people I know. I will bet you a hundred cans of that tuna that there is not a single person on this Blog that has not started and was thinking the exact things you are. Hell Billy, I still think about “what if”, and guess what, I have been literally been prepping in some manner my entire adult life. (FYI I’m 62 now). AND I have been through a few SHTFs myself. And guess what, the Feds did not bust down my door taking my “stuff” nor did I have to shoot 147 neighbors and plant them in the Garden.

      You really want to know why I prep? here is the short list;
      1. I’m lazy and don’t like to drive to town when I want a can of Tuna.
      2. I like being able to drive my truck to the mountains without having to fill it up. Keep the tank 1/2 or more full.
      3. When the power goes out during a thunderstorm I hate to sit in the dark.
      4. I really gives me peace of mind knowing I can just reach up and grab a roll of Toilet Paper, if ya know what I mean?
      5. I have to have something to do with my time, so it’s prep or watch TV… easy choice.

      I could go on for a long time, but you get the Idea.
      And here is something I learned the hard way, yes, “we are going to die anyways”. but guess what, I want to make it a long way off yet, so I do get ready for those little and HUGE things that come our way in life, that’s why we call it life, it’s meant to live as well as we can, and NOT get scared or depressed. Relax and be happy, life is good.

      But, that’s just my opinion
      NRP

      PS; Ken has a Heck of a GREAT Blog here, keep reading and join in on the comments, I promises we wont yell or holler… LOLOL and YES we LOVE questions. :-)

      1. I guess I’ll get booed and hissed at too because I believe it is a mindset more than what you have in stock…a MacGyver thingie, sorta, kinda.

        Now you told all your age, I know I have a year experience on you, a year of falling off a building in diapers face first in a basket of rocks and getting bit on the face by an unknown pitbull right before you were born. Ha!…oh, that wasn’t so good.

        1. “””I believe it is a mindset more than what you have in stock”””

          Well, I read this opinion a lot and I become instantly a pessimist.
          Yeah, it’s gonna be great knowing how to shoot, fish when the crap hits….especially with those 100 million idiots that are thinking the same thing about hunting that farmer’s cow and fishing those open streams.
          Me?? I’ll settle for my chicken dumplings and beef stew (even in cans)heated on that Coleman one burner stove.

          1. Nice to have that can of stew on the burner, but the mindset of preparedness gets the can of stew back when it is stolen. It invents ways around problems in a shtf scenario. That thought process makes me feel more positive. Ken put out some fine articles about “situational awareness” on this blog, that’s part of the mindset of prepping as well.

    3. @ Billy
      Ohhhh and one more little thing, Yes we do get hot and heavy with some of the conversations. But a lot of that is just blowing steam, well for me anyways. I know that tomorrow the Sun is still going to come up, and probably the next day too. It’s that third day that makes me want to craw into a ball and stay in bed HAHAHAHA

      Do I worry about what “might” happen, sure, but 99.99% of the SHTF stuff I could not control anyways, so no need to worry, just deal with what comes the best you can.

      One last thing and I’ll shut up (NOT!!!!) learn how to do things, learn 4 ways to build a fire, learn to make a tent or shelter from a tarp, A true prepper is not someone that only have 500 cans of Tuna, but knows how to build a shelter from those empty cans :-)
      NRP

      1. I’m a little behind here but what is being said here is why I’m behind on this blog! This weekend was yet another weekend spent in the woods doing exactly what NRP said to do. It’s fun, soul centering, and if you can get friends/family to do with you then so much the better. You may be surprised how fast you learn these skills and also what you find. I found earthen structures that were apparently ammo storage/depots, from who knows when, in the middle of the woods with only a single, not maintained whatsoever, road leading to them. These could be well fortified and there were at least a dozen structures. Start slow with an overnight planned at your local state park. This mindset gave me reason to prep, just for the next trip if nothing else, but what you will most likely find is that prepping is no longer meaningless.

    4. @ Billy, sometimes we all get scared and depressed. When that happens, take a step back and stop reading or visiting all the sites. I had to do that last week as it can get overwhelming sometimes. I never stop prepping though, I just keep plugging away. Every time I accomplish something or reach another goal, I gain a little peace of mind, and I feel a little less scared or depressed the next round.

      If you don’t have the money for supplies, there is always new skill to learn which cost nothing but time. Libraries are a great source to start. You can always trade your skills for food, and guess what? Nobody can steal that from you. Just plan to do one or two things a week and build from there.

    5. Make hidden hidey holes between the studs in your walls, bury a 55 gallon barrell of “tornado supplies”.Away from your house and accessible.. all stuff for long term. Pack veggies, meats, dry canned crackers, cheese, milk, powdered eggs, flour, sugar, cornmeal, oats/rice, honey, beans,olive oil/ coconut oil water…camping supplies..extra clothes, blankets
      .Don’t put all your eggs in one basket, then cry to your friends/collegues having such a hard time making it,..like.. “can I borrow a 10 til tomorrow, so I can get gas/ food/ diapers for the baby?”..! “so glad it’s payday!…the baby is out of formula, wife said we needed to pick up some chicken legs for supper…” anything along this line…” had to help my son,/ my cousin(through a medical event.., pulled me down so bad I am having a hard time…just making it.They will think you are as low as they are… keep out an extra pound of rice and beans to give them, show them which greens to pick and eat.

  31. Billy

    Learning survival skills was fun for me, not scary. Getting supplies for storage made me feel good inside like a hot water bottle in a cold bed. Even if it was a small amount at a time.

    Don’t let it fret you. We often talk about a small chance of a complete meltdown and make it look big, because we want to be prepared for the worse…. but it is wise to always be prepared. I look at it this way-if truckers nation wide go on strike for a week, will you have enough food? If there is a bad storm or flood and power is out so no gas, stores, or banks are open for a couple weeks do you have enough?

    Happened to me but I was already prepared when it hit here, so I didn’t have to worry. Guns were loaded and ready but all I had for a visitor was a coworker who checked to see how I was. That hot water bottle was still warm, and I hope a little prepping on your part will do the same.

    1. Salt it, smoke it, dehydrate it…

      Food preservation has been around a lot longer than refrigerators.

    2. When we butcher our hogs, the side meat or the bacon parts are salted for 3 to 4 weeks. Then hung in the smokehouse and a hickory smoke is applied to the meat until it is the right color brown. The bacon is left to hang until it is needed.

  32. In a genuine collapse of the food supply system, pretty much every other system would collapse. Starving, desperate people aren’t going to show up to work at the power plant, the water/sewer facility, the hospital, the fire dept, etc. So, in order to survive, you would need a lifetime supply of any life-sustaining medications for your chronic illnesses, ability to take care of any serious acute medical crisis. You’d need all your energy/transport/heating requirements met out of your own stockpile or available resources. Etc, etc.

    It’s nearly inconceivable that such a situation could occur. But if it did, your stored food would be only a tiny part of your needs.

    1. Reminds me of something I read about the siege of Leningrad in WW2. If the citizens didn’t work, they didn’t eat. I suspect that unemployment was low.

    2. That’s why people who have been prepping for five years realize they have only started… so many areas of prepping and for an unknown time to be determined event….
      ..There are many herbal replacements and adjuncts to conventional medication. This can greatly reduce your dependency on big pharma. Wild edibles can add vitamins, with sprouts (B), sunshine will give vitamin D… Candles, and old cooking oil will make light as will oil form a tuna can, unless you need it to eat…make those fire starters now…lint, toilet paper rolls,and wax..
      . Hot composting can create a certain amount of heat for farm anmals in cold climates…grass seeds can be sprouted to suppliment/feed the chickens in the winter…

  33. Going hungry is an experience I do not wish on anyone, yet dh and I have experienced it as children through no fault of our parents. It left a deep memory on the two of us. Family members on both sides think we are a little nuts for the extras we keep on hand, but they did not go through what we did growing up.
    When my dad was able to plant a garden the first year he had one(30’x40′), and the next year he had a second one(40’x50′). My mom and I canned all summer/fall long, he swore that they/we would never be hungry again. He raised our first beef and I learned all that I could from the both of them when we were on the ranch.
    Dh & I still carry on that tradition as much as possible, even with dh’s health issues.
    Until you have walked in the shoes of hunger you never know how you will react. We have been there.

  34. when the power grid go down what will happen to all those spent nuclear fuel rods that is stored all over north America? regards huntsalone

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