Prepared For A Time LONGER Than The Great Depression?

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The upcoming ‘Greater Depression’ may likely last even longer than ‘the Great Depression’ of the 1930s and will have far worse consequences for more people than ever before.

The Great Depression that took place during the 1930s was a severe worldwide economic depression, the timing of which varied across nations; however, in most countries it started in 1929 and lasted until the late 1930s. It was the longest, deepest, and most widespread depression of the 20th century.

If (when) the next ‘Greater Depression’ hits us smack in the face, you might want to be prepared to survive a minimum of 5-10 years, relatively on your own, without .gov assistance.


 
During the time of the Great Depression, many families lived on farms of varying sizes and functionality. Today, the vast, vast majority of people live in urban and suburban areas and most have not ever been to a farm. The extent of their knowledge of farms is the extent at which they may have seen pictures on Google, Bing, or Yahoo…

During the 1930s, many or most people knew how to take care of their basic needs on their own. Many or most people knew how to grow a successful garden. Many or most people were familiar with the physically laborious way-of-life during that time when luxuries were few and hard work was the normal reality. People (in general) were not as ‘soft’.

During the 1930s, many or most people had a sense of morality and decency that pales in comparison to today. That morality certainly curtailed what could have been much worse with regards to societal problems during that time.

The American culture was vastly more independent and self-sustaining than today (putting it mildly), whereas the modern way-of-life has become extraordinarily dependent.

Government during that time was still relatively small and non-intrusive, whereas today’s government is intermingled with most everything that we do, debilitating individualism and regulatory to the extent of crippling.

A ‘government class’ has exploded into a gargantuan chunk of our society – creating dependence rather than independence. A ‘Greater Depression’ during today’s modern times would become particularly devastating to all those who ‘depend’.

During the time of the Great Depression, the world was severely affected. Today, even more, most of the world’s nations will be affected – as they are financially and economically hinged with systemic risks in ways that were not even dreamed of back then.

I cannot help but contemplate how much worse it would be today than it was back then in the 1930s, especially knowing how bad it actually was during that time. We tend to think and believe that no such thing could ever happen again, especially given today’s safety nets and the seemingly endless crops of dollars continually harvested from the unseen fields of money trees. We are so far removed from the hardships of yesteryear that these thoughts never enter the minds of most. However, it may be wise to at least ponder the thought…

Oh, and one more thing… remember what got us out of the Great Depression? WWII.

History may or may not repeat itself, but it certainly rhymes…

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  1. The best book I have ever read about the Great Depression was “Hard Times” by Studs Terkel. Published in 1970, it is an oral history when many of the participants were still alive. Everyone from politicians to coal miners, from movie stars to millionaires. I would encourage all to check it out. Many solid lessons learned.

  2. America cannot escape some the upcoming Depression but the Feds will try to conceal as much as they can through falsified reports, data tampering, and more of their infamous propaganda. Its not “if” there will be another Depression but “when” will the next Depression arrive — just as you pointed out.

    When this Greater Recession morphs into an undeniable Depression, it will be extreme, it will be global, and it will be under MUCH worse conditions than the Depression of the 1930s. For one thing, the majority of America’s population resides in urban and suburban zones that are completely inadequate for a force-changed lifestyle of the upcoming Depression. Also, there is a very large segment of the American population that is financially-reliant upon some form of government “assistance”, whether that be through a welfare program (or 50) or through an inadequately-funded entitlement program (SS, Medicare). Additionally, there are the FSA-members whose government dependencies have enabled them to sit back and suck the teats off the Federal-cow (and taxpayers). And when you figure in the sad facts of Americans’ health (in terms of obesity, diabetes, heart or lung disease, mental illness), there is a disproportionate number of the population medically-dependent upon an already stressed medical system. Collectively, we are very weak.

    The Depression that is upcoming isn’t going to be pretty — in fact, if a mega-disaster doesn’t contribute to a massive die-off, the next Depression certainly will. It remains to be discovered who and how many will perish, but knowing the dependencies of so many millions of Americans here, the odds aren’t on their side.

    At our place, we’ve been ramping up our efforts to prepare for the Greater Depression with long-term food storage and more livestock. We also prep for a more rustic, hands-on lifestyle because the gadgetry of our plug-n-play society will be unable to sustain itself.

    We often think how it will all unfold, but that’s because it’s still so difficult to believe that we are witnessing the intentional destruction of a once-mighty Nation. I suppose the cause and effect of that destruction really doesn’t matter much anymore. What matters is how well we have prepared during those final days/weeks/months before the fall.

    “As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air—however slight—lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”—William O. Douglas, U.S. Supreme Court Justice

    1. I agree on the die off.
      Certainly will be large in underdeveloped nations.
      Many western societies will turn into police states with strict curfews and rationing.

  3. Of course, by all reckoning, the vast majority of the population will not be prepared.
    So, where do you suppose they will go then?
    To those who have, of course!
    Are you ready?

    1. They are not going to go to your house for homemade corn fritters, and no thanks to the MRE’s, they want SNAP credits to buy Cheezo’s.

      1. They may want SNAP credits and Cheezos, but they’ll break into your house before they find out that your wants are different than theirs. By the time they figure out you don’t have microwave-ready-pizza you may be dead.

        Desperate people don’t think. They’re like zombies–they see food, they go after food. Finding out afterward that the “food” wasn’t what they expected (WHAT? I thought I was hunting people brains, and I got dehydrated soy protein?!) would be a shock, but it wouldn’t help those hurt or killed in the first flush of panic.

        1. Good point, better have a few Cheezos, Velveeta and Pringles around just in case. I should start keeping the empty Spam cans and throw them on the front lawn when the time comes.

        2. During the depression men would follow the railroad tracks and people along the way would offer food for labor. The apple pie on the kitchen window sill was an iconic symbol of the times. Perhaps it was with the same sentiment of keeping them from the storehouse.

  4. @Modern Throwback: That does it: You’re on the no fly list! lol Seriously, sometimes change is slow and time consuming, as in Hitler and Germany or Roosevelt and America. Other times, as Stalin and Russia, or especially Pol Pot and Cambodia, it can be a one day affair. And when it hits it comes on faster than the the Fukushima Tidal Wave destroying every thing in its path. When Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge rolled in to Phnom Phen (sp), Cambodia’s Capital City, they emptied the entire place of over 1,000,000 people in one day. Anyone that couldn’t keep up with the pace was executed on the spot. Can this happen in America? As for me, I’m waiting on the big event, the one that puts a mushroom cloud over a major city, or several major cities. I’m convinced the end of this country will come in one day (Civil War, nuke attack, Yellowstone, whatever). There will be a day that will change all days thereafter. We shall see.

    1. Hey Andy, I’m a bit of a throwback so I don’t fly. Besides, I volunteered for the No-Grope List because there’s no way some stranger is going to put hands on me anywhere unless invited. LOL

  5. But, but, but every major news outlet is saying that the economy is growing and getting better, unemployment is almost cured, everyone has health care, houses for everyone,…. Young people get that degree in transgender studies on that 100k student loan that you do not have to repay, do not grow anything, do not make anything, buy on credit to support the economy, …

    How do all people in the country not see the future if we continue on this road?

    Glad I am far from the cannibal crowded cities.

    1. The economy is a bubble all perception and rumor. Nothing to do with fundamental financial economics.
      One car fire can send the price of Tesla tumbling.
      Amazon has a market capitalization ratio of 985 times the profit to earnings – this is madness.

  6. I live in a small neighborhood. Although I have several acres with my own well and 15 chickens, the other homes are all in one acre or less. There are 8 homes excluding mine. I can’t think of a single person in any of those homes that could live without water and electricity coming into their homes. I can’t think of a single family that would likely have more than a few days worth of food or even grow a garden. One family lived here for three years before we even realized they had children. When we saw them, they were white as sheets in the middle of August. I believe the figure “90% will die” is an accurate one. I feel sorry for those that have kids. It’s gonna be a terrible time.

    1. I was going to say something similar to your comment. Personally, I don’t have all that much sympathy for all those useless slugs that have done nothing to ensure their survival. I feel for the kids though, it’s not their fault that their parents are setting them up for failure.

      1. My sympathy for their kids is limited. The kids carry their parents’ DNA. Usually, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

        1. @Hildegrad: Your reply is brutal, but true. There is much wisdom in your words. And if we attempt to help those that refuse to help themselves then we too have become self destructive.

          1. That is why we as grandparents are having a great influence on our grandson. He will learn what we do know.

        2. For the most part, the apple falls close to the tree out of training. There is some DNA influence, but my experience is that many people can get past their “DNA” with a little effort and appropriate distancing from the source of the problem.

          These kids may initially do as their parents have taught them, but in the end either they’ll adapt and survive or they won’t.

    2. My next door neighbor has three kids and i think they might be outside 15 minutes a day even when it’s summer. It baffles me.

      1. My sister’s husband is a computer…nerd, geek, whatever. He builds and fixes computers for a living. She has a full acre+ of fruit trees and gardens but her kids whine every time they have to go out in it. They don’t mind EATING from the garden, but they’d much rather be playing computer games. Being outside long enough to get in the car is a chore. Weird.

  7. As we head into dark times, and I read this blog each day and read what people here say, I am amazed at the lack of brotherly love for fellow Americans thrust into these times like us but who have not the foresight or ability to get prepared. The resounding response is buying more bullets to shoot them. Most of the commentators claim to be Christian. I wonder if Jesus would be hording food and buying bullets to eat well and shoot his hapless countrymen. I have no problem with protecting your family. I have no problem with being prepared. I understand that I cannot buy food for the entire nation. But, we are all in this together.

    TPTB have suckered us all and now what is left to do but watch the suckers fight amongst themselves for the scraps. I don’t know the answer but I think it may be a good idea to look at ourselves in a mirror and ask a few hard questions.

    Cheers

    1. @confused (and in the dark),

      Quote, “The resounding response is buying more bullets to shoot them.”

      I have not heard (on this blog) your sentiment as a ‘resounding response’. While personal safety and security is certainly a high priority within the realm of preparedness, most of the comments here are other than ‘shooting them’ type comments…

      Additionally, I agree that we’ve been ‘suckered’ by TPTB, and I do agree that looking at one’s self in the mirror is always a very good and regular thing to do – examining ‘who’ we are.

      1. Perhaps I said that a little strong, or read too much into some of the responses, or extrapolated from other sources. Maybe I should have said the resounding response from the prepper community rather than this blog. Thank you for the correction.

        cheers

        1. @confused and in the dark,

          I do realize that there is an element that seemingly looks forward to a SHTF scenario and apparently first-and-foremost will ‘lock and load’. I read other blogs too on occasion and have perceived that notion from some of those who vocalize in comment threads, etc.. No doubt there are some here with that general mindset too. However it seems the majority here are into many other important aspects of preparedness (in addition to security and protection). We’re not a ‘gun blog’, however most all of us own guns and understand their many uses as a ‘tool’. Most of us here seem to realize that no man is an island and we can only survive so long on our own. A community of like-minded preparedness individuals is an ideal situation – although unfortunately a rare one. This tends to lead into the notion of the unprepared becoming increasingly desperate to the extent of potential violence – which then leads to the usage and discussion of the tools one would need or use to offset that…

          Anyway – your point is a valid one for discussion, especially since there are many attitudes out there which differ with regards to hypothetical collapse scenarios and the results and consequences thereof.

          1. Ken, been out of the loop this week. Just caught up reading all the posts.
            I understand what some are saying about the “hapless” people needing help.
            The problem is the mindset of most of the people out there.

            I went to get prescription filled at the local Target store. As there was a wait I thought I might check out the 90% off clearance sale on Christmas cards as the wife sends out so many each year. What I saw was nothing short of complete chaos! Women literally pushing other women out of the way to get to the discounted bags, ornaments, stockings and candy! Kids and babies crying. Mothers (if you can use the term!) yelling at their kids to SHUT THE F*** UP! Women taking items out of other women’s carts when they were not looking then taking off. Store Security just standing at the perimeter not wanting to make things worse. As it was ten A.M. pretty sure none of them had jobs and are living on the Gov. dole.

            Point is, these same people will not be “Hapless Little Waifs” begging for crumbs of bread when the “Scat Hits The Propeller”.

            They will be Angry, violent, demanding thugs who won’t ask. They will just take with no regard for you or your family’s needs or well being.

            AS CHRISTIANS, THE CLOSER YOU ARE TO THE SPIRIT THE EASIER IT WILL BE TO HAVE THE DISCERNMENT TO HELP THOSE YOU SHOULD AND PROTECT YOU AND YOURS FROM THE ONES YOU SHOULDN’T.

            People will have to make those type of decisions for themselves. God wants you to be kind and charitable but not stupid.

            Bart said folks did help people, but thieves got killed on a regular basis.
            People will either become Humble and Teachable or they will stay angry and Prideful. The former may survive. The latter will end up very dead.
            AND THAT’S THE WAY IT IS.

          2. I’m in agreement with you Bill Jenkins Horse. Some people that I know have been warned and still choose to go about their life unprepared. Others I know, are doing their best to prepare including a couple of people who I know that are disabled. I will help these people if it is in my power to do so. Those that have chosen not to do for themselves will be left to their own devices. They made their choice. I will protect my family from those that feel they deserve my supplies.

          3. I agree with Bill and Peanut. It’s raining here in CA. El Nino is winding up and just today, most people decided that it might be a good idea to get new windshield wiper blades and tires. Not in and of itself serious, unless you apply that mindset to collapses and disasters. This is the majority mindset. These people have had months to get ready and chose not to. You can’t help people who won’t help themselves.

          4. The dopes who look forward to the ‘reset’ because they’re ‘ready’ have no idea what they’re wishing for. The most ‘prepped’ person out there can fall to bad luck or some teenager with a .22, who, after popping you, checks to see if Facebook is back up.

            Anybody can miss something.

        2. Confused, I have not read those things you mentioned here, although I have left other blogs because of the nasty comments, and had complaints against me to kick me out for having peaceful solutions without murdering everyone, LOL….But that is not here at all.

          Ken has done everything to make this place a decent place to visit. Linger awhile longer and you will get many insights and knowledge.

          1. Stardust, there have been occasional elements of “shot first, ask questions later” here. In fact, there have been times when I have thought I would not want any of my kids to find themselves in a “get home situation” and have to hike past the dwelling of some of the posters here, although occasionally. Still a great blog, just need to filter through some of the bravado.

          2. If you start shooting everything within range, it’s only a matter of time until somebody (probably a group of your neighbors) see you as a threat that has to be dealt with.

          3. I think we all have different definitions of SHTF. My fear is not a dollar collapse or living more off my homestead. My fear is when we reach the point that people are desperate. Whatever the cause, If it is truly SHTF, you may need to defend your family. This is a personal decision. I personally will not stand by while my wife and daughters are raped, my sons killed, and a lifetime of preparing is stolen. Those who can be helped will be “taught to fish”. Those who are unwilling will be sent away and left to their own devices. Those who try to take or are threatening will be dealt with in a manner that teaches others not to make the same mistake. Christian does not mean roll over and die.

          4. I never said I wouldn’t kill to defend myself if my life was threatened. I was talking about “murder” if you read my post, I am not for taking the lives of innocent unarmed people.

            You mentioned teaching people to fish, well that’s what I have always touted I would do and show where to get food in the wild for a family who comes hungry to my place, not slaughter them because they are hungry and I am paranoid. I live my Christian faith, but there are too many posters on other blogs who would rather murder than help someone…but that is all to be seen when SHTF. Many posters at those places just like to mouth off, and because communication is so violent, I stay away from those blogs.

    2. Whoa!

      Everything righteous is under attack in this country. From the “boy scouts” to the “Christian church.” Those of us who are somewhat wise or righteous see the writing on the wall for this country. So we prepare. We prepare with food and with bullets. We prepare with bullets because we see how evil our society has become. And times are still relatively good. To think how bad things are going to get!!! Helping your neighbor will come with risk. Helping a stranger may be just downright stupid. It is not “our” fault what is destined to happen. Most of us have gone hoarse trying to warn everyone including family and friends. For the most part we have been laughed at. And of course our evil media will blame those of us who have prepared for the calamity that awaits us. All us “racists” will be the cause of everything. Don`t ya know??? When Noah went into the ark he did not waste his time crying over all those who drowned.

    3. IMHO you are simply unaware of the threat. Google South African farmers and read the horrible stories of how they were under siege and most murdered in terrible ways. When the SHTF not understanding the threats you face will get you killed. Being kind and sharing with strangers will get you killed. There is a part of my philosophy that thinks this is OK or ‘normal’. That is if you aren’t smart enough to survive then you don’t survive. I’m calling this the ‘national park rules’: Don’t feed the animals AND only the strong/intelligent survive.

    4. @Confused, and that you are. You do however make a brilliant observation, being that us Christians shoot off our mouths instead of our guns, whereas the non-Christians shoot off their guns and not their mouths, except to exclaim “Allah Akbar”.

  8. During the 2008 recession Canada was better off than the USA. Ont. was hurt badly but the rest of the country was not affected as much. This said, we all still lost on our registered retirement funds & stocks. The next time around we will be in a pile of trouble. The oil producing provinces are already in deep trouble & the suicide rates are reaching record highs in at least Alberta.

    We are thankfully about 200 miles from a big city but still there are many people closer to home that are clueless to what is around the corner. Most people in close vicinity are farmers or have been & we have full larders just because we always have had but many of them don’t keep up with the economic times so even those are in for a surprise.

    I just keep wondering how we will manage as our health deteriorates due to age. How long can we keep such a big garden & cutting our own wood supply.
    Oh well we will do our best & that is all we can do. Keeping several years supplies on hand will help us as we slow down to not have to produce as much & we can live off some of the extras. Hopefully we can live smarter not faster.

    1. There are solutions to your old age and slowing down.

      My grandmother during the depression leased her land to a farmer with a cut in the profits.
      I have a pine plantation and I could sell the timber and have someone else cut it.
      I worked for an organic farmer in his one acre field for the huge lambs quarters stocks (weeds) I pulled out. To him he didn’t have to pay me, but I got what I wanted–the most nutritious greens there are, just for pulling them!

    2. Seems to me that during the depression, families stayed closer together than in general today. Many times the oldest generation lived with one of their children who likely had their own children at home also. Siblings also lived near to one another, so help with labor intensive chores was available. Today, siblings of my husband and I live over 120 miles away with one of my brothers closer to 2000 miles away. We do not have the built in support systems that helped families in the 1930s.

      1. @SHM, That is a VERY good point! It’s such a different life today, so very different from those days when many families were more together – many on farms, etc… or at least many had a family member or relative who was on a farm or someone they knew and/or helped out in that regard. Today, no-one would know what to do if they showed up on a farm… Everyone today relies on massive extensive ‘JIT’ support systems. Very fragile in my opinion.

        1. I currently work in the trucking industry, and it’s astonishing to me how often we get calls from angry customers who need this product NOW because their shelves are empty and the truck is five minutes late. Or they forgot to order in time and now they need to pay double the price for a rush order in order to get the product their customers demand. It trickles down.

        2. “Today, no-one would know what to do if they showed up on a farm… Everyone today relies on massive extensive ‘JIT’ support systems. Very fragile in my opinion.” Bingo!! Why on earth would a single mother with two kids that only knows how to put a frozen dinner in the microwave head to your homestead to chase down a hen, butcher it, pluck feathers and make a stew for a family dinner?! It’ll never happen. And if you’re still worried about other threats, keep several hogs around too.

          1. “know what to do if they showed up on a farm”..

            sigh, I fear it is much worse than that..

            I once was giving a teen what I thought was a small job (not my teen), and handed him a broom and told him to sweep a kitchen floor. He sort of pushed it this way and that. I was about to chastise him for a slovenly effort, and I realised he looked confused. I asked if he “knew” how to sweep a floor, or had ever done such. He very politely replied, he was sorry but he did not/had not. I showed/explained what to do, and he did it. (at least he was willing to learn). Lots of basic skills missing these days.

          2. 16 years ago my DH’s eldest bdother died. His widow and two teenage sons stayed with my family while looking for a house to purchase nearby. Those boys did not know how to do anything for thsmselves because momma did everything. My hubby and I taught themhow to do laundry, load a dishwasher, vacuum, prepare some simple meals, and how to do some simple repairs around the house. I even helped one change his first flat tire. They were 15 and 17 at the time. Basic skills are lacking with many young people today. My kids learned to do all those things and many more before they hit their mid-teens.

        3. Ken, what some folks here are missing is the “mindset” of he very people we worry about.
          These people “assume” that you and I buy,eat and use the same things they do. So they will expect that you indeed have a freezer full of pizzas,hot pockets and corn dogs.(and if you do I’m not judging.LOL).It’s important to understand that most of them really still think like a child.My Grandson had a hard time understanding that I didn’t have a computer to do my homework on when I was a kid.He had a computer around his entire young life so he “assumed” that they had always been here.He is drawing on his limited experiences to make conclusions.I suspect that most who are living on the system will be making the same conclusions based on their own limited experiences.
          Someone mentioned about a single Mom with a couple of kids showing up.
          Many of them are smart enough to hook up with some knucklehead
          who in exchange for some “between the sheets time” will try to halfa** provide for them.It goes on now. I expect it will go on then.
          Those will be some of the types you will have to deal with.
          BTW, I have a friend who volunteers at a food bank in Texas. She said that most can goods get left behind or thrown out after people leave.Unless it’s spaghetti-o’s,chili.They have even offered to teach classes on how to cook with the food they give out.All they hear is it is too hard and takes too long to cook.I feel bad for her .She is so disheartened over it all.
          I guess teaching Home Ec in school to girls is too sexist now.
          These folks are going to be in a WORLD OF HURT come “the age of Bad Times”.

          1. B.J. Horse: I also see what is happening with food pantries and it is a very, very sick indictment of the state of being the general populace is in. From this I can confidently predict that in a scenario where there is a massive pizza shortage the ‘9-1-1’ phone lines will be jammed.

      2. SHM, that is so true. We have become a fractured family society.
        It’s interesting that many Hispanics and Asians seem to still have that family unity. Grandparents taking care of Grand babies/kids while the parents are working. All living under one roof working together.

        I suspect Pride and sibling resentment now make families working together like that almost impossible.

        Hopefully, family members will become humble and more willing to work together when it all falls apart. Family unity may be the only way people will survive a long term SHTF scenario.

    3. I have lots of siblings but no children of my own. As I get older I plan to make my home the “honeymoon” house. Let the kids stay for a year or so to get their feet under them after they get married, in exchange for help.

  9. I believe the fact that so many people are removed from agriculture and rural life (as Ken indicated) will be the biggest obstacle for our country to “muscle” through a depression of any magnitude…and the rest of the developed world for that matter. Depending on the length and the ability of the systems to continue to function will obviously determine the outcome.

    I think those in the metro areas with a survivalist mentality should be searching out and finding a like-minded family in a rural setting and begin developing a mutual aid relationship.

    Before the event, start financially contributing to developing a BOL. Give a monthly stipend to develop and stock your rural retreat that will be pre-prepared for you. Spend and invest time during vacations contributing to your retreat. The rural partner benefits on the front side with an influx of cash to help prepare. After the event, the partnership insures additional labor and security for life after the event.

    Prudence would require a careful and thought-out “contract”, and a very thorough vetting process for both parties. Starting with someone who is of the same faith, worldview and economic class would be a good starting point.

    I believe I came across a website a number of years back promoting this idea. Think of it as insurance, how much is paid every year for Auto, Home and Life insurance? What better “Life” insurance could you have?

  10. It would be a very bad situation given the greater depression in this country. The survivors living over a long period of time will be independent individuals, farmers, skilled people educated in many aspects, and all will have to be hardened in defense, most of who will be living in or near smaller organized communities.

    We can predict every worse case scenario of what would happen, but in order to become more self sufficient over a long period of time, one must prepare in supplies, land, wisdom, and skills to get through it.

    Both sets of my grandparents made it though the great depression with no complaints. They had farms, land with natural resources, were in the food industry, and had skills to feed their families and pay their bills without them ever getting a handout. I learned a lot of my skills because of them and put them to use today. I have to ask myself if I could survive a greater depression of 10 years? I probably will.

  11. There is another big feature difference between the life styles of people of today compared to the folks of the 1920s and 1930s that is sometimes overlooked. During the depression times most families had a food pantry in the house and food was brought to the city from the near by farms. Today, food is delivered to the stores by a “just in time” delivery system, even in very small towns from places far removed. When the financial system (credit) fails or the energy (fuel) system fails or the computer (electrical)system fails the ” just in time ” delivery system fails and it happens in seconds. What farmer is going to send his food to the city when his own family is hungry? None. What nation will export their food to us when their people are hungry? None.

    And do not think “I will just make a garden and get by”. Learning how to grow a garden takes years of experimental work with many intervening seasons of growing failure to get much food grown!

    I thank God that He gave me the wisdom to plan for this years ago.

    1. @ No Joke
      “life styles of people” you just hit it right on the head……1000%
      How many hundreds of times have we all said that Prepping is a “lifestyle” not a goal. Buying $5000 worth of Augason Farms food is NOT prepping. nor is having 35 AR-15s and 30,000 rounds of ammo.
      Being prepared is a mindset, a lifestyle, period.
      Yes we all may talk of this and that food, radios, firearms, water-filters, a thousand things. We may argue about what to do when someone breaks down your door and demands your food, or how to properly build a house, but, if you don’t have the mindset ……..
      NRP

    2. At No Joke. DEAD ON! I have said MANY times that prepping is a way of life…a lifestyle….and when you are comfortable in it you are LIBERATED.

      A truly prepared home has a good working pantry, a many years tested garden, and reserves for a year or more. Then pile on layers of skills, education and more skills. Then add a true mindset to self sufficiency and you will survive.

      Keep learning folks, keep prepping. I had the luxury of all of my grandparents (all lived to 98-106) and we learned everything we could from them! Now as Grandma, I teach and share with my grandkids. Generational living and sharing may be the norm for Asians and Hispanics, but we aged Europeans have not given it up either! Hang tough.

  12. When people ask the question, “What would Jesus do?”, reminds me of what has been said in the past and what every combat vet knows well: “Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!”

    1. WarVet, you can probably relate to this. I remember the chaplains praying for us to be victorious. I also remember the crucifixes around so many of the NVA and VC dead. I can’t help but they prayed also.

  13. There is nothing to fear about another Great Depression, even if it were to happen, which it won’t. If you would inform yourself about the myths and circumstances concerning that event you’d find scarce similarities to today’s’ possible scenarios. As far as the population being more rural and less susceptible to food shortages, this was also the time of the Dust Bowl where farming over a large swath of the country was abandoned. Those who had product to sell had nobody to buy it. Today, as preppers, you have been storing food and have become knowledgeable on a vast array of topics concerning survival thanks to the availability of infinite information available at your keyboard that the Depression era population had no access to in even the largest libraries anywhere. We have the means for survival, we have the know-how, we have ready access to whatever we lack in any of those areas and we’ve been taking care of business. If we have been diligent in even a smidgen of preparedness, we are well ahead of what the Great Depression era population.

    The 1929 stock market crash was not the cause of the Great Depression. Those who lost money in the crash had money to lose, most people did not have money in the stock market and so did not lose any. Today the market will not crash. It will breathe, it will inhale and exhale, but it won’t crash. On Jan 4th oil futures spiked, why? Because of problems in the Mideast. But there is hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil sitting in tankers off of the coast of every major port of oil consuming countries that are already glutted with oil as the price at the pump continues to fall and level off at the lowest levels in over 10 years. This market hysteria is a sneeze. Gesundheit!

    This is not a time to fear, but to take advantage of the fear. When I saw the drop in the market I couldn’t get to the computer fast enough to start trading. I saw investments that were dropping like a rock and in I went. I just came back from the grocery store and saw the price of California vegetables were escalating from even previous unaffordable levels. I came home and looked at what we had stocked and yawned. I’ve made it well known to my acquaintances around town how to prepare, maybe if things get really bad for them they might become better learners. And no, I’m not too concerned about them grabbing a sack of my dried beans or dehydrated vegetables, what the hell would they know what to do with them?

    1. @ Momma’s Boy
      I applauded your optimism, I may not agree with everything you think, but again I know this Blog is open to all viewpoints. Thank you for the input…
      NRP

          1. Simply a matter of multiple personalities assigned to the same identity.

          2. Thox would like it if the last 5 posts were nixed, and this one also.

          3. I can relate.
            That’s why I have a beard. I don’t trust that crazy bast**d looking back at me in the mirror holding the straight razor.

    1. No, ignorance is painful. The word ‘ignorance’ means to ignore. It does not mean you do not know, rather that you do know but decide to ignore. My post clearly indicated full awareness of the subject matter and acknowledgement of the situation. Tell me what I have ignored.

  14. “What would they know to do with the dry beans and dehydrated vegetables”? That sums it up in a nutshell. Many people do not have any idea on how to cook from basic ingredients. Everything is prepared in a box and you just add water, milk or eggs.

    I know many of these people. I can vegetables and fruit when I get it and buy extra when I can at the stores. I’ve met people at a state farmers market who thought I was crazy for trying to buy a bushel of tomatoes or apples. People today have lost so many of the needed skills to make it through a depression.

    I have a MIL who won’t eat venison, a friend who eats meat but can’t handle where it comes from to get to her table and it drives me crazy. I know I can feed my family if they make it to me (cause like many others we are currently spread out). I grew up with these skills, hunting, gardening, canning and sewing.

    Today people just say they can learn it quick to take care of their families. They have no idea how to hunt when pressure has been put on game or where to find it and gardening isn’t all that easy. I’m nowhere near ready to last 5 years let alone 10 in a depression. It is going to be the people who have made a life of depending on others to provide which is going to be the biggest problems all of us have. A sad and scary truth.

    Well I gotta go make biscuits to go with the beef stew for dinner. I wish you all the best and hopefully we can all gain knowledge from each other and more ideas on how to prepare.

    1. I read a report about food banks. They stopped carrying dried beans, even canned goods because people were throwing them in the trash on the way out. They wanted chips, soda, and pizza.

      Even if you had some dried beans to give away and some of those people knew what to do with it, most of them wouldn’t have a way to fuel a fire. I have stocked multiple ways to cook food, most of them can be used to also provide some heat to my home. Even my charcoal grill can provide heat to my house (by heating bricks and hot water to bring inside)

      1. Again, spot on! I can cook over an open fire, a solar box oven, inside, over a charcoal grill, make my own charcoal from mesquite….whatever. I bake outdoors as a regular exercise, good bread and even cakes….all from scratch. I have taught ALL of my children these skills, and am now working with grandchildren.

        I cook, bake, sew, medically mend as needed, raise my livestock, wrench, build, hunt, fish, cut and split wood….and all of my children do as well. SKILLS people. SKILLS.

      2. Being very knowledgeable of this food pantry situation, I concur. It is laughable to fear looters coming after our dried beans and sauerkraut. Their hunting grounds are those 40′ long freezer aisles loaded with thousands of pizzas.* When those are emptied and they come to your door you can watch them stumble all over each other as you toss out those Pringles you’ve saved for that kind of a rainy day. If they have to climb up a 250 lb maximum rated ladder to get to your treehouse, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

        *footnote: lots of news videos of grocery store shelves being ransacked in places like Venezuela. Not a crumb of junk food left.

  15. World War II didn’t pull the unitedstate out of The Great Depression, and The Great Depression lasted longer than into the 1930’s. Consider this:

    “Yes, officially measured GDP soared during the war. Examination of that increased output shows, however, that it consisted entirely of military goods and services. Real civilian consumption and private investment both fell after 1941, and they did not recover fully until 1946. The privately owned capital stock actually shrank during the war. Some prosperity. (My article in the peer-reviewed Journal of Economic History, March 1992, presents many of the relevant details.)

    It is high time that we come to appreciate the distinction between the government spending, especially the war spending, that bulks up official GDP figures and the kinds of production that create genuine economic prosperity. As Ludwig von Mises wrote in the aftermath of World War I, “war prosperity is like the prosperity that an earthquake or a plague brings” – Robert Higgs, April 18, 2013, The Myth of War Prosperity.

    1. …and to be clear, I didn’t mention WWII as justification or rationale for the apparent ending of the Great Depression, however I did mention it to warn that this is where TPTB may take us… WWIII.

      1. Ya, there’s that, no doubt. (I’m glad you can recognize it.) But, I was also thinking, instead of, “a minimum of 5-10 years” … it might be more like a minimum of 15-22 years. And, for many of us, that’d be a lifetime.

        It’s no wonder people wrap themselves in ‘happy talk’ and skittles and unicorns in order to remain in the fog of manias, delusions, illusions and the like. The joys of blissful ignorance.

        I imagine that in the future there will be many times when people will have to fake being blissfully ignorant in some ways just to keep going. Can you do that? For the sake of others around you. That’s gonna be a hard one, imgo.

        I’m reminded of a story I read about Vietnam War POW’s. The ones who maintained that they’d get out eventually, ‘lost it’ and as a result they kicked the bucket, while those who thought they were there forever, made it through. I wonder if the ones who made it through, sort of ‘faked it’ and pretended to themselves that they liked it, or something like that? – Just thinking out loud.

        1. Helot, Yes the mind is a powerful tool, and protector. I can certainly see how people have survived horrible situations by “adjusting their thoughts”, “tricking their brains” or however you wanna say it.
          But I truly admire Corrie Ten Boom and how she got through the holocaust. Her mind and her spirit stayed steadfast and pointedly on Christ. She and others like her are a great inspiration to me. Mental and spiritual strength are even more important than physical strength in most situations.

    2. Helot,

      You are right about consumer spending during WWII. Even consumers that had the money couldn’t spend it because there wasn’t anything to spend it on. There was rationing of everything — sugar, meat, gasoline, motor vehicles, bicycles, rubber, even typewriters.

  16. Regarding the Great Depression, my mom went thru it in southwest Okla. they lived in a small town, but had chickens and a milk cow and bee hives. My dad was one kid in a huge hillbilly family in the Ozarks. There is just no comparison between their food and water and transportation resources and those of today.
    One thing I’m sure of is the majority of us will be dirt poor in the future. I’m afraid a good donkey will be more valuable than I want to imagine. And no, I don’t have one. Yet :)

    1. My grandfather was born in 1878 in a country gold mining town.
      He became a mining engineer and lived in the country up until the Australian 1900’s bank failures and the drying up of the Australian Gold industry. He always kept a horse even while living in the outer suburbs of a major city.

      He served in Europe during WWI. When came back he told his children (10) that even though he had seen modern transport evolving – automobiles and planes he saw that the war still relied on animals when the modern stuff become compromised.

      During the 1930’s era depression he still had a horse. Used it coupled to a cart and carried his male kids out to the outlying paddocks and shot rabbits. My old man said that each son was given 10 bullets and was expected to return 10 rabbits. The horse and cart was bought back to the city where the rabbit bodies were sold to households as meat and the skins sold to a mill to make hats.

    2. If you are so sure that: “…the majority of us will be dirt poor in the future.” why in the hell are you wasting your time here on a preparedness website? To prepare for a donkey ride? Are you here to get a glimpse of what it’s going to be like when you go down with the ship, or do you suppose there might be a chance that there is something here that you might learn that would save you from such destiny?

      1. Yes. Dirt poor but hopefully with useful practical knowledge. I’m not someone who thinks that I’ll be magically exempt from the actions of our government over the past few decades. And I’m very happy to learn from the discussions here.

    3. You may be right being dirt poor. I read if communism took over like in Cuba the average wage would be $20 a month, but look on the bright side, everyone would be riding in 1956 Chevy’s.

  17. The Biggest difference I feel between the 30’s and now is the desire to survive. Many of todays people lack the ability to think out of the box,and willingness to build and do things with just the basic items they own. They want it and want now, and I feel that attitude will be the doom of millions.

    Many if not all of us who read these articles will have what it takes to survive it barring an unforeseen issues. Things & life have progressed to far and fast to avoid a reset of any sorts. Warren Buffet has lost 7 billion dollars to date with the stock market falling. With less then a 125 years we have gone from horse and buggies to finding water on Saturn & Mars.

    Those who are homeless already and living on the streets will have an advantage than most. Things will get very ugly before it will get better this time around. We must be willing to adapt to our surroundings and make the best with what we have.

  18. Perhaps many or most of them who cannot make it on their own will probably be more than willing to go to the pre-prepared places where they will be offered food, shelter, and security. Most of those who would be willing to take your things that you have on hand will probably be quickly notified of such places to go, my assumption. And will soon find themselves on trains and buses going there. Assuming that those that pose a higher risk to society would be taken to facilities with higher levels of security. Perhaps there will be depression without a catastrophic societal collapse. Perhaps we will have another chance for the American spirit to “man-up”, show itself strong in the face evil, and still offer the world`s oppressed an opportunity to live freely in the last best hope for freedom for mankind.

    1. “Assuming that those that pose a higher risk to society would be taken to facilities with higher levels of security.”

      Oh, but that would be profiling. No, they’d stick the “high risk” detainees in with the rest and make sad noises about the epidemic of crime in their safe places. “They just want jobs!” So then they’d put the problems in charge of security to keep them occupied and out of trouble.

      Facetious. I hope.

  19. To ‘ME’:
    Yes, I remember the chaplain services, and thinking ‘how hypocritical’ that was, and how I was thinking ‘I’ll bet the other side is doing the same thing’.
    We always think that we are on the side of ‘Right’. So does the other side.
    So, ‘Who’s Right’?

    1. Concerning who is on God’s side in a war, this was prevalent on the Civil War. It was told to me by a Civil War reinactor it is not a matter who is on God’s side, it is a matter of who’s side God is on.

  20. Nobody wins a war.
    If you survive it, you know it’s just a matter of time until the next one.

  21. People talk about war pulling us out of a depression, but they never correlate the fact that a depression almost always happens after a war ends…Maybe the cure IS the disease?

  22. I remember my grandfather talking about the depression. He said the gov’t bought up a lot of crops to “help” the farmers, and just dumped the food in the ocean or burned it rather than disturb the economy with a glut of free/low price food. He said you could smell the rotting food all over the Bronx while people were starving.

    He also said people sold lye-water as milk at low prices. When lye is dissolved in water it turns white, so they would sell lye water in milk jugs. Lye can cause third degree burns, and yet people desperate for money did it, and people desperate for food bought it. And children died.

    Gov’t and human, same thing. Be prepared, be alert, don’t be suckered.

  23. I have read the entire blog here and agree with much of it. I am one of those who did not buy into the freeze dried foods costing hundreds and the thousands of dollars. Having been at one time truly homeless and sleeping in our vehicle we are ready. Prepping is a lifestyle, not spending money just because someone said you should have it to be a prepper. The skills developed helped us get back on our feet, slowly and one little step at a time, but still a step ahead. And it is true, most single moms today ( I am in my mid forties) don’t know how to cook up a meal…that is a shame…but I have faith. Natural selection and survival of the fittest still works. Cruel but effective…

    1. Freeze dried and dehydrated foods have their place in preparedness. Both types of preserved foods provide a very long shelf life and many of us add them into our pantries and food storage for that reason.

      While we grow most of the foods we eat, we also know that both our livestock and gardens are dynamic processes and each (or both) can be destroyed. So we plan for those “just in case” times.

      I cook from scratch but also know first-hand how demanding our homesteading lifestyle is. There are times, especially in the spring, when the birth of critters and the demands of springtime gardening overtake the hours in our days. If I can’t reach for a ready-made can of condensed soup to add into a home-made casserole, I’ve just made more work for myself. So I stock some condensed soups that I am unable to jar up with my pressure canner due to the issues w/ flour/fats. Others here know that they, too, experience time constraints, so they see the importance of ready-made or shelf-ready food items.

      In 2009, our area experienced the worst drought in decades. We had pitiful garden yields because we are on a well and did not want to over-use our water supply. The experience taught us that we needed additional water storage so we added a 1,000 gallon tank to our rain cachement system. We also increased our garden enormously so that we raised double-enough veggies for a carry-over year. And that was when we began purchasing the FD and DH veggies, as well as dehydrating more of our own.

      No one in the ‘prepper community’ told us to buy freeze-dried or dehydrated foods. And we weren’t influenced by them either. The fact is, the extra long storage of these preserved foods simply make good common sense. If a person doesn’t have the income to do so, so be it. But there are many people who are common sense types, mostly rural, who lead a more self-reliant, preparedness lifestyle anyway. And before the ‘prepper community’ became a phenomenon, there were those of us who were already there, already out of the ‘rat race’, already debt free, already wondering WTF our government was doing.

      You misunderstand the backbone of the ‘prepper movement’ when you say we are “spending money just because someone said you should have it to be a prepper.” We simply do not all fit into your single category.

      1. Lynn,

        I understand what you say. I guess I was not clear to explain that I met some folks who think that preparedness is just getting freeze dried food and stuff in the freezer and you are done with it. And no, I do not put everyone into a single category because one simply can not do that.

        On the contrary, I understand this movement much better then most. To be clear, I am from Europe, I come from a now war torn country which was leveled by NATO into oblivion. I also want to make clear, that I am an Army veteran too. The people in my old country survived because they lived and live this lifestyle of having a pantry stocked with each harvest and that is what helped them survive and they have done this for decades. Because when the men are in combat the fields will not be worked, and can hardly be worked with worrying what is going to fly over your head and if it is going to land on you and take your life. It was the women and children who ended up tending to the fields and orchards and making sure that when winter set in, there was food in the pantry. BTW, this was barely two decades or less ago. Where there times of natural disasters? You bet.

        With that being said, and I will say it again, I am not putting everyone in the same category. What I am saying is that most people here especially in the cities have been bamboozled into consumerism and the convenience of nearby stores.

        In the end, it is up to us to help those out who may not make it. The question begs to be asked and answered, are we as a whole, the ones who are awake, ready to lead when the shit hits the fan and give those a guiding hand. This begs very much asking yourself ( I don’t exactly mean you here ), when all this happens, how far are we going to go as a leftover society so we can restart society.

        Each new circumstance brings with it a new set of rules of engagement. If we, those who make it through, bring into the new era after shit hits the fan, the same fears of “I will terminate everything and everyone trying to hurt my family and steal my stuff I worked so hard to acquire one way or another” we will fail to restart. If we do this “NO. This is my stuff and you can’t have it and I will not help because it is your fault you failed and did not get ready for bad times”, then we have not gotten away from consumerism, materialism and the me and me only attitude.

        This is just food for thought and not meant to criticize you or anyone else. It is meant as that, food for thought because we all state and share our opinions, but will all of us have the same opinions when it really happens. We are here to learn from each other and to learn how others think, what their opinions are so we can have the ability to make decisions in the future without going in each others throat. Bad times are coming, that is guaranteed.

        No, I prefer peace, I do not want what is coming to us. I have seen evil in my life most people can’t even comprehend it exist, and it scares the crap out of me.

        1. Anony: your eastern european accent is beautiful, I love it! You have made perhaps (in my opinion) one of the most valuable statements here to date. The intoxication with material goodies has blindfolded even the preparedness community. There is something greater, and you have given insight to what that is. Thank you.

          1. Thanks Momma’s Boy,

            sorry to all that my Texas screen name did not show up. My laptop was cleaned and refreshed and it has been acting up.

            It was my intention to bring attention to this side of thinking. Having seen my family go thru this, everyone realized that working together to survive was better. It is up to us to guide, teach and learn for the new generation.
            The US is a beautiful country, have been stationed almost in all regions and traveled around. I am heartbroken to see what has been happening in the past two plus decades. Operational security is important but we also have to look into our hearts and be careful not to make them hard and closed. If I think about how many people in my life have caused me grief and loss, I would have to terminate at least ever other person. But I have not done so. Life is precious even the one of the single mom with two kids buying junk food in walmart because real food is more expensive and their budget is limited.
            Appreciate your support :) You summed it up for me, it is about being blindfolded about things….

        2. Texas,
          Thanks so much for the better and more in depth explanation. While I understand better about where your mindset and sentiment may be, I can’t say that I fully agree with you. We have prepared for 10 here for a year, but it wouldn’t be too surprising if another 7 came along if it were an extreme situation. We don’t have the ability to take in ‘outsiders’ and would have little to no time to teach others any newbie skills. We area already experiencing the farm/homestead life and know full-well how much time and energy this takes.
          I also believe that trust is earned. To allow outsiders into the fold would be a dangerous proposition that I would not embark on for my own safety OR for the safety of our group. While my beliefs may appear to be harsh to some, they are not unusual. My beliefs have nothing to do with punitive issue but w/ practical and common sense beliefs. No man is an island, but I’m not in an island situation. We are prepared and willing to provide seeds and some basic directions to our neighbors — each has plenty of idle acreage. They can expend their energy and use their land for their own needs. I prefer the “teach them to fish” tactic, but only if and when time allows and who is wanting the fish lesson.

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