The Things That Will Disappear First After SHTF Disaster

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I’ve posted this type of list several times before, and it’s good food-for-thought. It’s been awhile so lets do it again… If the SHTF (fill in your own disaster definition), what might be the first things to disappear from shelves or general availability? I know it depends on what the SHTF event is, etc., but lets just go with it and imagine it’s ‘bad’…

While ultimately you might say that ‘everything’ might disappear, lets instead think about the ‘first’ things, the things that others might consider to be needed the most – and therefore the first to go.

In no particular order, here’s a list off the top of my head:


 
Gasoline
Propane
Charcoal
Cash
Ammo (& guns)
Water (bottled water & soda goes fast…)
Food (bread & milk goes fast…)
Toilet Paper
Batteries
Matches, Lighters
Alcohol
Cigarettes
Coffee

 
As a side note, the priority list for ‘the looters’ is different (except for alcohol and cigarettes). They will first loot things like flat screen TV’s, the latest Nike’s, smart-phones, lottery tickets, jewelry, etc., until later when they realize that flat screen TV’s don’t taste so good and they don’t work without electricity…

 
Your turn: add to the list. What are some of the things that ordinary people will go for first?

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  1. Ken, I would have to also add drugs to the list both over the counter and prescription. After reading “One Second After” I would imagine insulin and other life supporting type drugs would go awfully quick as well.

    1. Oh, definitely. Look at what happened to that CVS during the Baltimore riots last year.

  2. I don’t know anything about ordinary people, but I would snatch up things that I don’t usually use, but would need in SHTF. Things that have expiration dates, so you can’t stock up on them unless you have a lot of money to spare and don’t mind throwing away expired products when SHTF didn’t happen:

    Flashlight batteries. I go a whole year on 2 batteries. But if there were no power, I would go through lots. I have several extra flashlights, keep one in my car and every 6 months or so, I change batteries and throw away the old ones. I have two or three dozen batteries in various sizes, but that wouldn’t be enough if the power were out very long.

    Canned milk. I would use a lot if fresh milk was unavailable, but normally I only drink fresh. I keep a couple of cans on hand and every year I throw them away and buy a couple more.

    Canned anything. I usually eat fresh meat, fresh fruits, and fresh vegetables. I have two big cabinets of canned goods and the also top half of one of my big bookcases is full of cans, and I do try to rotate them. Periodically, I find something to cook using one of my oldest cans of something. I freeze some of my garden produce, but if there were no power, I wouldn’t be able to do that. I do have a bunch of freeze dried veggies, but they are expensive. And I have tons of rice and pasta. But if the stores weren’t open I would wish I had more canned meat, fruits, veggies, milk, cheese sauce, etc.

    Dog and cat food. I have about a year’s worth of canned pet food, but the dry food (which makes up at least half or their calories) doesn’t keep very long and I hate feeding them stale pet food. I keep about 6 months worth on hand. So one of the first things I would do would be to buy more pet food.

    Instant coffee. No explanation needed.

    Don’t forget Hydrogen Peroxide and Clorox have short life spans. You would use a lot more in a SHTF situation. So you would want to stock up.

    1. It occurs to me that you would also want an extra fire extinguisher or two. Big boxes of baking soda, too, to throw on the fire.

      1. And tarps–I have a few but would feel more secure with 10 more for the roof.
        Windows need duct tape…check.
        2 X 4s for boarding doors..check.
        Extra hoses for water if roof gets Molotov cocktail….check.

    2. Flashlights, pet food,…batteries, just after bread and milk…

      DaisyK, when your canned food gets close to expiration you could dehydrate and store in jars, even used ones from spaghetti sauce, mushrooms, or cheese sauce will work for this.. dehydrators are available cheap if you do not have one, and a cheap one would work for this.

      Can also dehydrate your own fresh things, bought in bulk, or just too much to use quickly. Home dehydrated fresh products like okra and squash are very easy to do, no blanching, when re-hydrated, taste like fresh…some people just like to eat them dehydrated for “crunchies”. That would save you some money and build your stocks.

      I have same problem with milk, I am able to use part of it in baked goods, and some recipes. If kept cool it does last 2-3 months past date on it. Powdered boxed milk is my other alternative, and I put in quart jars and pop in an oxygen absorber. Seals, with even a used lid, as long as clean and dry.

      1. Most dehydrators require electricity. I recently bought one from Amazon that air dries without electricity. It is huge and says it is for herbs. But I plan to try it for vegetables after the summer harvest.(I am already eating radishes, baby turnips & turnip greens, bok choy, baby spinach, parsley, and rhubarb this year. I wonder if I could dehydrate rhubarb.)

        1. Another poster recently suggested using your hot car, parked in the sun, presumably with the windows cracked – as a dehydrator. After pondering the idea a bit, I was impressed. Brilliant, simple, no electricity; why not?

          1. Yes, the windows need to be cracked or you just end up with a sauna and nothing dries.

          2. Someone posted the idea of using a car as a dehydrator quite a while ago, somewhere on this site. I remember others mentioning that rodents and other animals are able to get in cars. If you do use a car as a dehydrator, be sure to keep a good eye on the food.

        2. Spinach and greens can be dehydrated, don’t know why not do rhubarb. If dehydrated, is good enough to do herbs will do vegs. Just prepare them uniform pieces.

        1. I prefer to use white for bug killer, disinfectant, because other vinegars are made of fruit and will attract flies and/or feed bacteria. Different vinegars for different uses. For health (vitamins, blood pressure, etc) fruit vinegars are often better.

    3. You might look into rechargeable batteries in different sizes, and a solar battery charger. In my opinion they’re a priority prep.

    4. A lot of people don’t realize it but those “expiration” dates are a bunch of crap. They are “made up” by the mfgrs. to make you buy more stuff and throw the old stuff away early.

      A lot of people think the USDA makes up expiration dates, but they don’t even recommend these dates on “anything” but drugs.

      Like the old days, you should ONLY rely on common sense when throwing food out, even eggs can be kept WAY past the supposed expiration date, milk should not be thrown out until it smells sour.

      Canned foods [modern], will last almost indefinitely if canned correctly, appearance, smell, taste are the “ONLY” reliable tests for bad foods. If it looks good, smells good, tastes good, IT IS GOOD, even animal food lasts a LONG time past the BS dates !!!

    5. Miss Daisy: Really? Bagged pooch food goes south quickly? Have not experienced that……currently have years supply on hand. North of you by a few miles. Soapweed

        1. Nutrish is good pet food. Rachael Ray product-she DONATES ALL her $$$ to shelters. they have dry food & wet for dogs & cats. also treats.
          I’m buying up the wet dog food, its a meal for small to med. dogs.
          and I trust Rachael.

      1. Everything I have read on the subject says the dry food will go bad within a year due to the fat content. I wouldn’t store more than a 6 month supply. Canned food will last longer. It’s not cheap but my two dogs could be worth their weight in gold when it comes to alerting me to unwanted “visitors” or buying me some time to properly deal with home invaders.

  3. Regarding coffee, I’m throwing in a plug for a new advertiser here, coffee-reserves.com who sells ‘green’ coffee beans sealed in 10-pound containers packed in nitrogen and O2 absorbers. Green coffee beans can last ‘forever’ if stored well. They require roasting, then grinding…

    1. Ken,

      Most people use some type of flavored creamer in their coffee nowadays.I never see anyone mention what they are storing. Very few drink it black anymore.

      I bet those bottles of creamer would disappear pretty fast too.

      Also the sheep would descend on Starbucks to grab that last $6 cup of mocha latte double shot espresso while they all hold hands and sing Cumbaya between texting each other from across the table…lol

      1. @ Bill Jenkins Horse
        Thanks for the laugh after my somewhat grave post, I needed that. LOLOL
        NRP

        1. Truth is truth NRP. Lately the truth is pretty harsh. Soon it’s going to be brutal for many.

          I always enjoy your posts and many times you really lighten my mood when I read them. Humor and sarcasm can be good medicine.

          BTW, did you work out that scenario from Portland? Did you stay or did you go? Always interested in how people would handle a given crisis…

          1. @ Bill Jenkins Horse
            I did go to Pot-Land stayed for a week with Mom, had a GREAT visit, and have been thinking, not always a good thing. I think I’ll type something as to your scenario and get it posted…. It could be a fun/interesting discussion. I’m going to respond including what I did take and the situation there. Betting I will get blasted but that’s ok, good for opening up some minds.
            NRP

        1. Ken, black coffee drinkers are rare as hen teeth these days. Now if ya tell me you drink it right out of the pot that puts you in a whole other category…LOL!
          Btw, can you ping the email address I put on this post? Have a private question to ask…

        2. When i was in the service i was taught good coffee is like a good woman, Hot, Black, and Nasty! Been drinking it that way for 40 years.

      2. @ Bill Jenkins Horse, I have also thought about no cream for my coffee, and your right, I can’t drink it black. So I have experimented with powdered creamer, canned milk, and powdered hot cocoa. I find I can handle hot cocoa in my coffee as a substitute for milk/cream. So now I have plenty of that stored as well.

      3. I drink coffee with flavored cream but going back to instant coffee/creamer.
        dont think flavored creamer can be stored.

      4. I think the bottles of creamer would spoil-cause it is milk. I drink coffee w flavored creamer buy could just stop-it’s not a need.
        H2O is better for you anyway

    2. Yes, I saw that on one of your last posts regarding resources.
      I am planning on getting some of that coffee. Thanks for the info.
      But like Bill Jenkins Horse mentioned; Creamer! I get boxes, from Amazon, of the little flavored creamer cups for storage because they don’t need to be refrigerated and I like them than the powdered creamer.
      But I think still only last 6 months to a year?
      Gotta get a coffee bean grinder too.
      Would probably work with our little solar set up, but should get a hand crank one too, like our hand crank wheat grinder.

      1. checked, there are some nice recipes for homemade powdered creamer, might work for long term storage.

        this one, said original recipe called for sugar, but they used stevia

        Ingredients
        1 cup (70 g) nonfat instant dry milk
        3 stevia packets (about 1½ teaspoons stevia)
        1½ teaspoons powdered vanilla (not liquid vanilla extract), optional
        1 tablespoon coconut oil, melted

        Instructions
        1.Pulse together the powdered milk, stevia, and vanilla in a blender or food processor until powdery, about 1 minute.
        2.While processing, pulse in the coconut oil through the feed tube; pulse a few more times to combine.
        3.Transfer to an airtight jar and store in a cool, dark place for up to 3 months.

        Notes
        Liquid vs. Powdered Flavorings: I’ve found that using powdered flavorings works better than liquid flavorings for this recipe.

        Sourcing Powdered Flavorings: For sourcing powdered flavorings, do a quick Google search or ask at your local health food store or gourmet food store.

        Other Flavor Ideas: (Note that with all of the flavor variations listed below, I still include the amount of powdered vanilla that is mentioned in the recipe above.)

        Almond: Add 1 teaspoon natural almond powder (this is not the same thing as almond meal or almond flour).

        Chocolate: Add 2 tablespoons unsweetened cocoa powder and increase sweetener as desired.

        Chocolate Peppermint: Add 2 tablespoons unsweetened cocoa powder, 1 teaspoon natural peppermint flavor powder, and increase sweetener as desired.

        Cinnamon: Add 1 teaspoon cinnamon.

        Peppermint: Add 1 teaspoon natural peppermint flavor powder.

        Pumpkin Spice: Add 1½ teaspoons pumpkin pie spice mix.

          1. Lifelonglearner

            You’re welcome.

            Please let us know, taste etc..

            I don’t bother much with creamer, so it would be interesting to know if it is the kind of thing I could make up and keep in the cupboard for a year or two….

  4. Body bags will be in short supply cause 90% of the people will perish within the first year. If it was to happen in the winter time a lot of people would freeze to death. The old and the very young will die first along with the people trying to steal from the 10% that had the good sense to prepare. If you could survive the first six months I believe that you have a good chance to make it. SHTF WILL HAPPEN. Just look at what’s happening in other country’s. Stock up on common sense and equipment that works without electricity. Remember the things like big homes and over price cars will not even make the list after SHTF. I will now step down off my soap box.

    1. I bought a few about five years ago. For me and the kids plus others in the circle and I have at least a dozen or so haz mat suits and covers….also, I trained the kids in that particular task to take care of in case something happens to us and family and friends. This is a necessity to learn and most people can’t stomach a task like that.

  5. My Priority for the first thing to go will be my family to leave, BUG OUT!! ASAP!! Having already moved most of my supplies already, the last place I will want to be is in the line of fire, in the middle of the chaos!! I also don’t want to be caught in the grid lock of traffic or waiting in gas lines. If any of you have the same type of plan, please take the time to travel alternate routes during the daylight hours and make notes of physical features along the route that will help guide you if you find yourself traveling at night. This will help ensure no mistakes are made when timing of escape will be VERY important!! Depending on your location if your plan of action is started early enough, time might allow multiple trips to be made, but stay alert of your surroundings because situations will have the potential of changing very rapidly.

    Those that are already at your location in a remote or rural setting you are blessed!! I hope that all who frequent this site and their love ones make it to safety and have adequete supplies and knowledge to stay safe!!

  6. Over here the first things to go are TP and rice and Spam.
    If TSHTF our islands are sooooo screwed. We produce less than 18% of all food consumed here, and that number is squed by production numbers of sugar, coffee, mac nuts and pineapples, those numbers on those items is in decline too, in fact local agricultural production in Hawaii dropped yoy for 2014-2015 by 11%. Not good, we import EVERYTHING.
    Yet people are overall completely oblivious to the reality and implications of this should the chain of supply disappear.
    It will be interesting.
    Had a long talk a year or so ago with an old Philipino man, was telling me stories about how they used to trade a pineapple liquor the locals used to make and pork or fish with the GIs stationed at a camp near Makawao during WW2, they would trade for tires and gasoline, oil, and other products. Had a stash spot and would leave their loot there then the GIs would go get the stuff and leave whatever it was they had agreed to trade.
    Unfortunately folks like that are few and far in between now. I feel pretty blessed to have the knowledge i have and the jaundiced view of things because at least i have good stash of supplies and a strong knowledge of what i need to do going in.

    1. my parents lived on Oahu. Makaha Valley. during a dock strike mom said TP disappeared real quick.

      1. “Paging NRP – NRP please pick up the white courtesy phone for an urgent matter”

        I seem to recall when I was a kid, Johnny Carson did a fake announcement about a TP shortage and by the next day, almost every store in the country was cleaned out (so to speak). Or at least that’s how I remember it.

        I use Costco bundles of TP as sort of an insulation, stuffing them between the top shelves and the inner eaves of my shed.Helps keep the cool air in.

        Seriously though – I work in transportation, very familiar with the JIT inventory practices. From my POV, I do believe when that dreaded day comes, pretty much everything will be gone in a blink.

        I try to plan accordingly.

    2. I definitely will let others get the spam.
      I’ll get the potted meat.
      1 can is a meal for me. 25cents, can’t beat it.

  7. Milk, bread and eggs. If the weather man even hints of snow we sell out of milk, bread and eggs in a hurry. Salt is the only thing I can add that has not been mentioned so far. If it is a long term situation salt will become very valuable. I use salt for curing meat, canning vegetables and tanning hides.

  8. I did a quick family survey by text message to see what they would do.

    Hubby (ret. fireman) had to know what the emergency was before he could make a decision. Then decided food would be his first priority.

    Daughter #1 water

    Daughter #2 not gonna happen mom. we’re fine. just relax.

    Grandson #2 would grab his BOB and come here cause his mom (DD#2) has terminal normalcy bias.

    Grandson #1 could not be reached for comment

    Me I think traffic would preclude me from going anywhere to get last minute stuff. We live in small town USA and would have to travel some 20 miles to get to the nearest town with anything. By then, I think things would be too bad to contend with people at stores and such and still be able to get back to the perceived safety of home.

    Water and Gasoline would probably be the first things to go. Then food. Most folks would have “snow storm” mentality. The real danger would come a few days later as people realized they were in big trouble. The following few days would be hard for them to live through.

    Gassed up vehicles is one of my prepping priorities. Especially the pickup that pulls the RV. Having to bug out scares me the most.

    1. Grandee,

      If you have to drive 20 miles to buy anything, you are right to stay home. You might find you are stuck there and have to walk home. What if there are roadblocks or gangs blocking your way. The only reason I think about picking up last minute stuff is that I live in a small town, less than 2,000, and we have hardware, grocery, and a dollar store within walking distance.

  9. I believe that the Very First item that the majority of people will head for, due to past experiences, is the ATM!
    Don’t be one of them.

    1. I strongly suspect a decision will be made pretty quickly to limit ATM withdrawl, to say, $60 a day. Ask the Greeks.

  10. Everyone has covered the big ones I can think of (especially water, milk, bread and batteries)… I would only add ice (for those trying to extend the life of their frozen food supplies in a power outage) and diapers (lots of young families in our area who always have diapers in their carts).

    There are several local markets in the general area (and between home and work on my daily commute) that cater to our heavy Hispanic population… bags of beans and rice would be bought out quickly at those stores.

    Also, most of our grocery stores do propane tank exchanges (for BBQ’s) and I think those propane tanks would go fast, too.

    1. I chose charcoal & small portable grill for cooking.
      Home Depot had 18lb bags on sale. I stocked up on them & lighter fluid.

    1. I think most pharmacies keep that stuff in a type of safe these days. The ones near me have signs making it known that even the pharmacists can’t get to more than a little at a time.

  11. as far as weapons go it would be a good thing to have a way to RELOAD YOUR OWN AMMO also having a large supply of BLADES around would be good thing i mean everything from old kitchen knives to heavy combat blades and axes learning how to MAKE blades would be a good thing to know as well

  12. As to the crowds (mobs, actually) that will be massing around the ATMs:
    When they realize they can’t get their money that they desperately need, and they see people entering the store(s) who HAVE money – well, you don’t want to be anywhere near that situation!

  13. if you take a fiber pill daily (psilium SP?)….you basically dont need much (or any) TP. dont believe me? try it!!

    1. Shoot,Bill. I interpreted the information provided online that it would help me in that department and ordered 300 capsules!!

  14. We are in a small town and I think most will ignore things at first. So I would run up to the Dollar Store and grocery store and get last minute things then just go home.

  15. ditto – just top everything off and act as normal as possible as most won’t realize there is a problem.

  16. We live 6 & 8 miles from 2 small towns (300 & 450 polite people)& I would risk a run in there but if not able to such as an EMP I would be OK. In which case I would be starting the wood stove & beginning to can food from the freezer. I think that the usual mentioned on this site would also be the 1st to go here. If I did go in I think I would try for more things like salt, baking soda, & dried items like beans,lentils etc which wouldn’t be the first things to leave the shelves & also cash so I could pay for eggs from my neighbour.

  17. This made me think as we had a recent power outage that last12 hrs. I broke out the small generator to run the fridge and freezer. Hard decisions is knowing where to start as if it is an instant SHTF such as emp, information will be slow in coming. Sounds like. Decent topic for discussion ?

  18. Thinking about normal people here. Their first thought would be TV dinners, frozen pizza, stuff you can just throw in the oven. They think everything will get back to normal in…three days, a week, whatever their normalcy bias will handle, and the thought that they won’t have electricity doesn’t even enter their heads. So the three day people stock up on bread and milk, the week people stock up on TP and addictions. The month people probably already have a small supply and imagine it will be sufficient. Surely the world will go back to normal in a month…

    1. Saw a woman “stocking up” before hurricane Sandy. She had a shopping cart full of frozen pizzas even though it had been made clear that grid power and gas supply would be cut shortly before landfall.

  19. As it hits, or shortly after a true SHTF, and as Ken described as “bad” or an EOTWAWKI.

    IMHO, Mortality towards others will be the first thing to go. Sounds harsh? Think about it, the stores will become ciaos with people fighting willing to maim or kill others for that last loaf of bread. Someone mentioned ATM’s; can you imagine the fights over a few bucks? The roads, highways, streets will become parking lots. And forget about getting more fuel, it’s already gone within hours. Everyone here would or should know to stay away from the stores and cities, why? Because there will be riots in days if not hours in every store, every city, you can imagine, Food will be gone within 1-2 days, than what? FEMA? I don’t think so; those that work for FEMA will be covering their own butts FIRST as will the .gov! People will be fighting for anything, everything. Kindness and consideration will be a thing of the past very quickly. And before I get chastised, yes I know there are a LOT of good kind people out there, as long as all is just hunky-dory and there is food on the table. Remember Katrina?

    Next, gone out the window? That special group you may have of like-minded neighbors and friends, nobody here can actually tell me that the family of 10 people in your group will not stab you in the back if their grandchild was starving and you had food in your reserves. What would you do if your 3 year old grandchild was starving? Family MAY be different, just think about it.

    Next, your rights ALL of them, the .gov WILL declare Martial Law and have the right to literally “take” everything you have worked so hard to acquire. They will be an overwhelming force in the cities and once they have control there they WILL come looking for you and me and why we have not reported to the FEMA camps. OHHHH you have food and supplies? That’s all ours now…….

    Please take a good hard look at Venezuela, or any other place you wish. People we all are in trouble, soon. I do NOT have the answers; I just try to live this lifestyle as best and safe as I can, as I know most of us are doing.

    So to answer Ken’s proposed question “what might be the first things to disappear from shelves or general availability?” If we look at history, the shelves will be empty within hours, not days or weeks. As I believe Ken has said before, or was that me; if you don’t already have it, then chances are you won’t have it. Figure what it is you need for 3 months, 6 months 1 year, 2 years and be able to live with that ONLY. AND forget about the stores you now visit, they might be gone for years and years.

    But, what do I know; I’m just an Old-Crazy-Prepper-Hermit :-)

    NRP

    1. NRP is pretty much spot on here. I don’t see me being able to fight off a herd of panicing 20-30 somethings. I keep reserves so I don’t have to. If people have already sensed a crisis, don’t go near any food store unless you wish to die a violent death. The idea of a ‘last minute run’ is a dangerous delusion.

  20. The first thing to disappear? Me, that’s what. I’m climbing into my hole and disappearing.

    1. @ Nihilist
      Same here! That’s been my plan all along. I’ll wait things out awhile and see how it turns out, then maybe stuck my head out to resupply after awhile if I need to. Actually wouldn’t be much of a change from how things are for me now since I only go into town about once every other month. And that’s usually just out of curiosity, not that I really need anything from town.

      1. Grits,

        Same here. Thought the whole idea of preparing was to be,duh, prepared. Where I live, I don’t have to hunker down. Just keep up with the backwoods gossip, pay attention to any changes in the vehicle traffic (normally less than ten motor vehicles a 24 hour period) and respond accordingly. If food/water distribution begins and there is no violence involved, I just might pick up my fair share (my taxes paid for it, so why not?). Otherwise, why expose yourself to unnecessary risk?

        1. Dennis,
          Exactly, plus if you’re not picking up your share of food rations other people will notice that and figure you out as someone who has more than you should. Also a good idea to start wearing clothes that are a couple sizes too big after about a month into the shtf event when you go in to the supply distribution places. Also maybe look a little less clean than normal. People are gonna be wondering why you’re the only one in town with a clean face, clean fingernails, and freshly shampooed hair.

          1. Grits,

            Plan is to reduce caloric intake to around 1,000 per day for first month, keeping protein content high. Reason, two fold, marked weight loss, while stretching supplies, without sacrificing health. Strict vitamin supplement intake maintained.

          2. I also have clothes stored for family members who will be “reduced.” I can see wearing clothes that are baggy, but clothes that fall off might be a problem. :)

          3. Woven belts very useful…easily adjustable, get a size too big now use for a while they stretch plenty, then put up til needed for the baggy pants.

          4. Attention to detail. Just in case someone took the time to look closely, someone wearing size 40 pants wouldn’t be holding them up with a size 36 belt. If they’re supposedly the pants you wore before the SHTF, you would’ve worn a belt of the same size too. A cotton rope would be funny, but not too realistic, after all you had a belt a month ago…

          5. Grits

            a month ago, so to speak, you may not have had need of a belt.

            pants could have held themselves up.

          6. Grits,
            Not for me. When I’m not wearing overalls (95% of the time) for everyday attire, I occasionally wear loose jeans with cotton rope for a belt. My only other belts are one for dress up and several gun belts already set up with handgun specific holsters and mag/speed loader pouches. But then, I most times go several days without any non-family contact. My neighbors wouldn’t notice if I was wearing a dead rat snake for a belt.

          7. That’s the best thing to have. Doesn’t take long to cook & you can add just about anything to grits. Yummo!!!

  21. First thing to go? Maybe not the first, but real soon in the early aftermath of a true shtf event will be police/fire/medical service. Many will go to be with family, those who stay will be assigned to protect government facilities and workers. Traffic control will be non-existent. Residential areas will be on their own for security and fire control. Expect no help in any of your endeavors.

    Even if your preps are incomplete, your first priority will be getting home (or should be). Anythig you acquire in the immediate aftermath of shtf will probably not add 3 days of survival, if that. Not worth it.

  22. This brought to mind a comment that a work friend made to me once.

    I said something about getting the “whatever it was” that was on sale. She said something back mentioning with a sideways glance and kind of a smirk that I must have room in my “doomsday” room.

    She had never been in my pantry. Not something that we even ever talked about. I did have a shelf fall down once due to not anchoring it into a stud and I may have said something about canned goods hitting the floor– shrug- not sure.

    There is no doubt in my mind that her family doesn’t have more than a couple of days worth of food in the house and it will all be empty before she comes to her senses.

  23. Cornstarch, Clear Jel, while reading this article and the responses. I discovered just had enough for the recipe!! That is unheard of according to my family that I would be out of something. It is my first time making peach pie filling, so oh, well, goes on the shopping list.

    All varieties of salt for food preparation, and spices that you can not grow yourself. Cheese cloth, aluminum foil, plastic wrap, plastic bags for storage, wax paper.

  24. It may not be the 1st thing to disappear, but it will soon follow, is CIVILITY.
    Count on it.

  25. There is no chance I would make a ‘run’ for anything last minute! If we don’t have it, we’re not risking ourselves to try and obtain it.

    If there was any warning of an impending disaster, we’d focus on being home and we’d try to communicate with an invite to family who might/could be affected. Our place is home-base. That’s the plan…

  26. Let’s think the unthinkable for a moment. If you, God forbid, have to use deadly force to defend your home and loved ones, what do you do with the corpse? I live near a lot of open land so, by the light of the moon, I could drag the bad guy(s) off. But, if you cannot, what next? If you have to bury the evidence close by, you may want to hasten the decomposition with Drano, quicklime,lye, or oven cleaner. And, above all, remove as much ID from the bad guy as you can.

    1. This is a little morbid, but treat it as fresh meat & eat them.
      sounds gross but in those kind of times.

  27. For me I would get those things that are expensive and that I don’t want to spend the money on until I know things are most likely going away for good.
    1. ACOG
    2. all the solar panels, batteries and accessories I can find
    3. high end night vision/thermal binos/goggles

  28. I would like to add feminine products, detergent (learn to easily make your own now and stock up on supplies), soap, peroxide (also for mouthwash and brushing teeth), extra toothbrushes, baking soda (many uses), first aid, vitamins, heirloom seeds, seasonal clothing.

    1. A few months back there was a whole conversation about feminine hygiene. Although I am past menopause and more into senior problems it got me to take care of the problem. I just this weekend finished making up several reusable cloth pads. Pretty easy if a little time consuming at first. I would say that the plastic snaps are a lot easier than the metals ones.

  29. As far as the list goes the only thing really difficult for the average person to ‘stock up’ on is gasoline. Most people don’t have a safe away to store it or transport it.

    For the Propane, I bought extra when I could, and purchased them over time – like one every 6 months. I have 3 tanks now.

    Charcoal – I found that bags are cheaper at discount stores. I always look for sales and coupons

    Cash – I siphoned off small amounts every week. I always have $5s and $10s ‘in storage’. Remember – if there is a crisis, and no electricity – you can’t use your credit card. If all you have is $20s, whatever you are buying just went up in price to $20

    Ammo (& guns) – I bought when I could afford to and saw them for a non-gouging price (no Bass Pro prices). I have been stocking up for over 20 years and can safely say I need no more.

    Water (bottled water & soda goes fast…) – I buy cases when they are on sale at the grocer. I rotate my stock so none of cases will go out of date. I also bought a hand-crank water filter and a LifeStraw.

    Food (bread & milk goes fast…) – my neighbor has 50 cans of soup, all label forward and arranged by ‘best by’ date. Ok, he is a little OCD, but he has the right idea. I have about a 6 week supply or food for 2 people – not counting what is in the fridge and freezer.

    Toilet Paper – bulky, but very necessary. I store mine overhead in the garage. Always keep about 2 bulk packages on hand.

    Batteries – I have some rechargeable, which are good when you have electricity. $1 store batteries go a long way and they are cheap.

    Matches, Lighters – Cigar smokers like me always have several bottles of butane and several lighters on hand.

    Alcohol – another good $1 store buy! I should have more. Just added it to the list :)

    Cigarettes – pass. quit over 14 years ago and I have other items to trade with

    Coffee – I was in Aldi’s and they had 24oz bags of Barissimo Signature Blend for $2.99 on close out. They had ‘best by’ dates three years out. I bought the 7 bags they had on the shelf.

    It is much easier for me (and everyone, I imagine) to spend $10 a week then it is to suddenly have to spend $200 because of some ‘incident’. I bought something every week and it added up.

  30. not at all reassuring, that this isn’t getting resolved…

    Do you all suppose these Western Media Reports are accurate, or do you suppose MSM is possibly feeding a load of B.S. to mentally prep us for “something”?

    “Students and teachers in Venezuela abandon classes in hunt for food

    President Nicolas Maduro, blamed for the crisis, faces a recall referendum

    Thomson Reuters Posted: Jun 20, 2016 4:42 PM ET| Last Updated: Jun 20, 2016 4:42 PM ET

    Education is no longer a priority for many poor and middle-class Venezuelans who are swept up in an all-consuming quest for food amid a drought-fuelled wave of looting and riots

    Venezuelans are turning to the jungle for food as government-promised rations fail to arrive in the crisis-hit nation of 30 million.”

  31. Most people don’t realize that 90% of weeds are edible. While we still have electricity, and internet, I recommend researching what’s available in your area. In PA, we have wild spinach which is high in protein, and my family never seems to notice it added to salads. Domestic Rabbit farming is also an idea, a friend of ours introduced this during a Trail Life adventure. Boys were taught to humanely break bunny necks. I found the thought horrifying, and said I’d rather eat bugs! Ironically, the LORD has a sense of humor, and the next year, my wild spinach got bugs. So I was forced to retract my previous comment. One other thing I think is worth a thought. While our families need protected and fed first, and the sharing of this information is abundantly helpful in any emergency, sharing with those in need or those who are “stupid” can go a long way.

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