Persistence and Determination for Post Collapse Survival

Persistence and Determination

Persistence and Determination. They are often crucial & critical to success. I believe that it’s actually the secret to success and can be applied to nearly anything, any goal, and most any situation.

In today’s topic I’m going to apply those two words to high level preparedness and I believe that it will likewise be critical to surviving during a very difficult time of post collapse.

When it becomes increasingly and seemingly very difficult (regardless of what “it” is) there reaches a point or threshold where “it” may trigger you to become discouraged, frustrated, to give up or stop.

“It” might be a big project that you’re working on or it might be physical endeavor, an emotional time, a very difficult task, etc.. “It” could be anything.

We’ve all been there when times get tough. The thing is, can you even possibly imagine how tough it might get during a time of true post collapse survival? Really, think about it.

Most people today live unbelievably cushy lives given today’s modern conveniences, technologies, and infrastructure. It’s enough that we sometimes get frustrated with things during these “good times” however can you visualize the potential hardships which will pale in comparison when the difficulties accumulate in a post collapse world? Even the simplest things may become exceedingly difficult…

This is where my topic comes in.


Persistence and Determination

Some of you may be familiar with the phrase “Embrace the suck”.
Translation: The situation is bad, but deal with it.

I must tell you from personal experience that when you’re into something to the extent that it either really sucks or you’re on a project where it has gotten very difficult, or deadline looming, etc.., it really works (it helps) to “Embrace the suck”, to be persistent and determined.

There is a mind barrier that you cross when you PUSH FORWARD. I’m not kidding. You reach a point where you just want to stop, delay, quit, take a break, whatever. But when you reach down deep and cross that threshold, you can keep on going. You can keep on dealing with “it” (whatever “it” is).

One thing that helps is to compartmentalize when you reach that point. Stop looking at or thinking about the big picture. You might say to yourself that the big picture looks bleak, hopeless, or impossible. However by focusing only on the immediate situation or task at hand will help you to keep pushing forward.

It’s easy to simply say that persistence and determination will help you succeed. But to actually be persistent and determined to the extent of success will be up to you and your mindset. I’m just putting it out there that these will be important attributes during tough times, should they ever come.

Next time you’re in a difficult situation, practice persistence and determination.

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  1. I believe the persistence and determination you’ll need will be avoiding the squads which will be out arresting and executing Christians.

      1. Yeah, I can see why you’d think that, but the evidence has been around since the Bible was written.

    1. If that guy Sorros and the dems have been grooming to be the next pres gets through ya may have something

      1. Matthew 24/Mark 13/Luke 21/Revelation 6 all talk about the same thing: the coming period Jesus called “The Beginning of Sorrows”. It describes the collapse very well. Here’s what it will look like:
        – A time of great deception
        – Widespread war
        – Economic collapse and famine
        – Massive amounts of disease, earthquakes and death. Revelation 6:8 says that 1/4 of the earth’s population will die
        – Great Persecution of Christians, including execution. Jesus says that Christians will be hated by all nations, and betrayal will be a big part of it – even family members betraying each other

        As bad as all that will be, it’s nothing compared to the period that follows, when God pours out his wrath on the world.
        Certainly we’ll have to be persistent and determined to survive the wars, famine, diseases and natural upheavals. But those are not aimed at any specific group. The persecution of the Church is a different matter.

        1. Im glad ive had a lot of good years, theres a lot to be said for the days gone by when folks died at the ripe old age of 40

  2. Also, one should focus on the end goal, not the roadblocks you hit. “The ends justify the means”. I don’t care if it takes all day working in the most awkward position if it will make the rest of my time easier. Work through the little things while remembering what will come of it. Yea sure, my back hurts from being bent over all day in the garden, but those veggies taste damn good at the end and will give you the strength (physically and mentally) to get up and do it all over again.

  3. Embrace the Suck can apply to most endeavors, not just as regards prepping and survival. Some people work in unpleasant jobs that they cannot leave. This will be a really god attitude to have.

  4. I’m betting we all know people who need to read this article. The quitters, the whiners, the “it’s just too hard” or “I just can’t do it” folks. Always looking at why it can’t be done rather than taking the approach of “Okay, that didn’t work, what can I do/try next?”
    We have a couple of employees like that – I figure they will be the first to go in a true SHTF situation because everything will be too difficult. They will not have the mental stamina to adjust and problem-solve if things unravel. They have not built up those mental-muscles solving day-to-day challenges… so how will they cope with the REALLY hard stuff?

    1. I do NOT believe I have ever said I can’t in my entire life. No way they can hold up to me or my determination!

  5. This is where the “Serenity Prayer” needs to be applied in our daily living.
    It was the insightful poster, Wood56gas, that introduced us to “Johnny”, the young man that would not accept the facts of life. He does not want to work to sustain himself and obtain the necessities, but expects others to carry him. Johnny expects all that we have worked a lifetime for, instantly. He can not cope with any kind of failure and will never embrace the “suck”. Johnny never learned how to eat the elephant and to be honest with you all out there, I hope he chokes on it.

    1. My friend Hermit US

      The bitter attitude of others toward “little johnny” is why he’s so lethargic, sheltered and disinterested and it really ticks “Mommy” off. People just cannot grasp the fact that it’s “NOT HIS FAULT”. She just read your comment aloud to him, he didn’t even miss a beat on his video game, IT DID NOT BREAK his persistence or determination. He’s tryin really hard to get to the next level. I heard him promise the other day that after the first of the year he’s gonna look for a job, if it ain’t too cold or rainin. She ended her “tirade” with, “I’m glad my boy ain’t like that”.

    2. I’m afraid that too many people are like that. This is where we get the “entitlement mentality” in so many people that expect the government will continue to give handouts. Those handouts are being paid from people like us who do the right thing, raise our kids, be involved in the community, worship in our own way and provide for our family. Why are so many people feeling entitled? I believe these last 8 years they have become complacent and changing a culture will be difficult.

      1. Terra

        Unfortunately I believe this has been going on for a LOT more that just 8 years of Obummer.

      2. @ Terra.. Hello and welcome to you as well. I’m sorry to say, but I believe you can’t change a culture. A “”culture” is full of the same/similar ideas spread across its masses. You can’t change ideas because they keep coming back. Always have, always will. Just like an idea, the only way to change a “culture” is to try to erase it completely. It’s happen to many cultures before.

  6. I’m possibly (more like high probability) “dementedly” determined and persistent due to my career path (engineering) and life experiences (some good, some in hindsight should have been done differently but can’t be changed, only learned from).

    The only thing a plan will do is change. Any plan, journey, initiated to get from point A to point B (A = start, B = end/goal) will rarely happen as laid out, or go as wanted. Persistence and determination, for me, outputs the motivation fuel for contingency planning, change of direction, which is needed to achieve the desired end point. Which, of course, once the end point is achieve and new end point materializes and you crank up the brain and body again.
    Just an opinion.

  7. At the moment im experiencing an embrace the suck moment…
    Project ive been working on spiraled out of control, way over budget, money is all gone, still lots to do, and its raining again!
    I can tell yall for certain i would rather deal with trying to raise food, work with neighbors and figuring out alternatives after everything has fallen apart than deal with what im doing right now because i wont be worrying about paying the bills after everything falls apart. $ or the lack there of, are truly the cause of more problems than anything else

    1. Damn sorry to hear that Nailbanger. Many of us in construction or similar, have been there. Sometimes there are few solutions – renegotiate due to unforeseen circumstances, get donated help, or walk away. In that business or farming, you face a varying economy – I was flat broke twenty some years ago with a family. I had to go back to college to retrain and develop a marketable skill to get back up and eventually, a comfortable life. But my needs are still humble.

      1. Ya its funny in a way, been in the trades for over 30 years and i still cant remember to not bid jobs,,,
        T/M should be my mantra.
        Not sure what the hell i was thinking.
        Oh well, im embracing it!
        About all i can do, believe me, walking away sounds good but not a good plan.
        Im pretty sure something will work out, like always, i will most likely end up taking a bunch of smaller jobs on to pay for the big one i screwed up on!
        Sorta like when they ask the contractor who won the lottery what he was going to do,
        Well, should just about break even then can go to work to pay the rest of the bills.

        1. hey my friend
          If you do bid in the future, a large, large, large contingency fund is recommended, but you know that too – not trying to criticize . I learned early, that renos and repairs always bit me in the rear end.

          1. Yup, was more worried about having work than what that work was,,,, should have put that contingency in there and in the future definitely wont forget it.

          2. Think i shoulda had a contingency on a house built in the 20s??
            Funny how a simple facelift turns into a complete reno

        2. Nailbanger, my son is in construction too. He’s in concrete and not only rain stops him, but cold weather too. He’s only 33, but he feels he can’t do anything else, since he’s been doing it since he was 17. I worry about him, but he is doing great right now and has a better job. I will pray for you.

          1. Terra, again

            Let you son know that this OLD FART went back to night school and ended up doing computer programing for the largest Commuter Airlines in the world. Had a fantastic job and traveled the world on their dime.

            Would still be with them till they decided to move the company headquarters to Phoenix, aka Hell East.

            So parted ways and went back to Construction doing Estimating and Project Management.

          2. hey Terra
            I went back to college at the age of 38. Got out of the trenches and started computer-aided drafting. Then I just built stuff for the fun of it – houses garden stuff, …. best move I ever made.

          3. Construction is not all that bad, it has covered my life for a long time and actually building things gives one a feeling of satisfaction. Personally, i wouldnt change a thing, its been Gods will all along, so im good with all of it.
            I have a ton of friends who have been in the trades for a long long time and they are all fairly happy productive guys with families, homes, cars, kids etc etc, its a practical way to make a living, especially in these days when you and your college education can be obsolete in 5 minutes, we will still need guys like your son to do flatwork, block, brick, tile, and stone, or like me who can frame a house and build the doors and cabinets and produce the millwork that gives the gingerbread to someones home

    2. Nailbanger

      I have long regarded money to be the worst thing perpetrated on the human race and I am sincere when I say that. Good Luck, sir.

      1. yep – the tool Frisco used was millions of dollars to help bring down the system. I think inflation and money printing now will accomplish much the same.

      2. Check out her other book “The Fountainhead” – again more value in talent, achievement, truth, … than in acquiring money. A good read.

      3. hermit us

        You said it better than I did. I absolutely agree the “middlemen”, the bloodsuckers that contribute nothin to society, they are ridin the train but NOT payin a fare. I hope I live long enough to see them evaporate………..hahaha…..after the event, there won’t be much market for skills that do not contribute to the cause.

      4. wood56gas
        They ain’t getting on my train without the fare for sure. Take care my friend.

      5. I just picked up a copy of Atlas Shrugged myself to start this weekend. Even in paperback it’s pretty darn thick and the type is really, really small… so no quick read.
        As much as everyone has talked about it I figured I better read it for myself – although I may need reading glasses by the time I am done with it :)

      6. Ac and So Cal Gal
        Keep in mind that it is one person’s perspective about how a socialist society can eat itself. Rand’s (Rosenbaum) early years in Russia gave her an insight into how a government controlled everything will lead to corruption and failing production in the population. Atlas Shrugged is particularly applicable today as government continues to tighten the thumb screws on our lives – therefore, not participating is one of the only ways to defeat this monster.

      7. Ken


        So now ya tell us…..

        Honestly, would reather stick with the book, dont need some producer interrupting for my brain 😁

      8. I suggest that you do not watch the second rate movies – nor do you want to read the abridged volume of the book.
        Get the full impact of a great book.

      9. If you’re looking for a slightly larger size print, look for a “Paperback” version, which is 9″x6″ rather than a “Mass Market Paperback”, which is only 6.9″x4.2″.
        Even then, it’s 1000+ pages. I went ahead and cut it in the middle to make it easier to hold. Seems like a sin of some sort, lol!
        Or…I suppose a Kindle version would work if you can change the font size on the reader.
        Read it in High School but re-reading it again. Certainly have a different perspective today!

      10. My first experience was listening to the book on – I enjoyed it and could still do some things as I listed on a portable device. (mp3 player)

      11. So Cal Gal
        The book I have is also small print. Already use cheaters for reading…by the time I am finished I will be needing TRI-TRI focals to read, or get new sets of lens for my eyes…lol

      12. FinallyOuttaCA
        Dh has it on the kindle, since we discovered he has cataracts. Pre op is next month, will find out when he has surgery. His gets the kindle & I am reading the book, it is easier for him to read.

      13. Your onto something there bud, like a gun the paper money is just a thing, it takes the rotten greedy jerk to create problems,
        Whats those 7 sins? Greed? Lust? It all boils down to greed and lust for power

      14. Personally i thought it was a great book, took a bit to get into it but once i did i had a hard time putting it down.

    3. I had a great post and Satan destroyed it…UGH!!!!!–so, pray, don’t give up.
      I bet we, here, have all been in your position at least once in our lifetimes.
      Maybe worse, maybe not, but we are still here.

      One thing I am gifted with is a great attitude and a positive attitude.
      Even when Gene couldn’t respond, talk, or eat—I said to myself, he could be dead.
      There is ALWAYS someone worse than me.

      You are in my prayers…and I know how that alone makes you feel better.

      1. Thank you JJ, compared to most other peoples problems, mine are pretty minor, and honestly i have been much much worse off than this minor blip.

    4. Thank you, ive been all the way down and worked back a couple times as well, just need to get through this and concentrate on the homestead and keeping things simple, need to just work out of my shop and farm rather than taking on anything away from here, just makes more sense.

  8. My father ran our home just like a USMC boot camp. Bed were made every morning and gear was stowed before breakfast and school. We made 1700 dinner without fail unless he knew where we were. I thought he was hard on us tell I left home and became a Marine. It was all his plan to make us people of faith, honor and strength of mind and body. My parents and some of the finest training in the world (USMC) was the reason I survived. Thank you Gunnery Sgt their is not a day I don’t think about you as I hoist the Colors and the Globe and Anchor.

    1. Mr. would agree. He was 17, was not drafted but joined in 1964. His father reluctantly signed the papers, he was in the Patton’s army WWII. Mr. says he would probably have gotten into a lot of trouble had he not enlisted. Was roaming the streets in those days. When he got off the bus in Parris Island, reality hit him! The rest is history. He is a Mustang and had a 26 year career.

  9. So much wisdom coming from this article and those who have voiced their opinions. Experience makes an excellent teacher. Having had several very difficult events in my life has made me understand myself with clarity. I am definitely one of those tenacious types who will find a way to get beyond the ‘struggle.’

    It seems to me there is a personality trait involved with a ‘struggle’ and with fear. Those who face their fears or struggles are strong. Those who run away or live in denial have poor coping skills and so they behave cowardly.

    I think those of us who can identify fear (whatever ‘fear’ is) can more readily accept it. And those who accept it can conquer it. Those who are weak (like those SoCalGal mentions) are those who lack courage. They’re in denial and it seems to me that it’s a personality flaw that may cause their inability to carry on.

  10. Being Irish and German I can be a tad hard headed. : ) I grew up pretty much taking care of myself and so just get in and ‘do it’. Growing up that way I learned to take care of myself at age 9. My family is the opposite -They are the ‘just let it go’, don’t make waves, poor me type. I’ve reached the point where I can’t do some things and am trying to get the guy that did a covered breezeway for me to come back and fix his cr*ppy work. Doesn’t seem to fired up to get to it.

  11. You all realize the comments that have been made so far are (according to the PC police) unfair, racist somehow, against all socialist principals, mean spirited, ….. we could get Ken’s great site shut down if the wrong people get into power next year. The globalists insist that the First and Second Amendments must go. So they welcome turning this great country into a third world economy because they can not accept or improve on the “suck” in their own countries.

    1. See my comment to mrgrey at the top,,, something to be concerned about, even though most likely we got nothing we can do about it

    2. NRP
      We and the rest of the 3% do not give a damn about the PC police – but they came very close to victory in the last election. Look at the smear jobs done by the DEMs and the media in the last year – they almost succeeded in taking down the President. If any of the people that love this country become lethargic, the socialist could win. Then we go from a head in the sand to kissing our asses goodbye or civil disorder but how many would stand up? Look at how much of Europe has been ruined by not standing up to the big “suck”.

      1. hermit us

        And it never ends, this just on Fox

        “Justice Department apologizes, finally admits Obama IRS singled out conservatives”

        Going to be an interesting year I think.

        1. NRP
          Ya but Louis Lerner still out of jail and still gets that big pension. So many to prosecute – wake up Jeff Sessions.

    3. NRP——Since the days of McCarthyism I believe a plan was set into play to “bury America without firing shot” as so boldly proclaimed by Nikita Kruschev. A campaign was begun to identify and curry people in our education system to begin the process of destroying our most cherished beliefs and traditions. At the same time, certain young people were identified to be groomed for public office at all levels (witness the overwhelming majority of Marxist/liberals in local government of big cities). Eventually these would migrate to higher offices, effectively taking control of our public institutions and governance. The Clintons were the opening act to what was hoped to be the final chapter, Obama. The puppet masters saw Hillary as the epilogue. In true communist/fascist fashion, the Russian influence charges lodged toward Trump were intended to pre-empt any such connection to themselves.

      You are right in believing they are not going to give up without a fight. This was supposed to be their time, the culmination of over six decades of work and treasure invested. They would rather risk civil war/anarchy/or revolution, than see the goal post go out of sight as their subterfuge is exposed as Trump drains the swamp.

      1. Dennis

        What I find so interesting is how fast the RINOs are flip-flopping trying to save their own skin,
        Unfortunately the Sheeple do not see the change in their own Congressmen and will vote the same POS’s back in office next year.

        Extremely discouraging but we all still need to keep the Persistence and Determination going to help save this GREAT Country

    4. @NRP
      You don’t have it in you to ‘give up’ — you have the persistence and determination to see things through. And please, NRP, do not apologize for being ‘just a little fired up today’. That’s your passion and your determination showing! I’ll have your back any time, day or night. Stay strong.

  12. Focusing on what you ‘have’ accomplished and not what you haven’t helps regardless of how small.
    Today, I assembled essential oils to fight/get ready for flu and cold season.
    Not much, but every little effort helps in the scheme of things.
    Oh, we’ve never had flus or colds here, but I’m still ready!
    Nah, we never had flu shots either, before you ask.

      1. I’m the JJ with the brain surgery husband that lots here prayed for.
        The grateful JJ.
        One with the homemade sweet and sour recipe?? LOL

  13. I hope I don’t burst anyone’s bubble. I am a longtime student of animal and human behavior. I say that because there are unbelievable parallels in humans and lower class animals, at least in my humble observations, which, by the way, have been many.

    I think this is like the “bird sense” I spoke of the other day, if they ain’t got it, there’s nuthin I can do to give it to em. I don’t think persistence and determination are learned behaviors. You might refine em, but you can’t install em. I am not statin this as scientific fact but merely my humble hillbilly opinion.

      1. Hey NRP

        sorta like, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him think. haha… Have yourself a nice day.

    1. Interesting twist on the nature vs nurture debate. Do parents instill these values in their kids, or are the kids born already hardwired for “bird sense” because of good genetics?

      1. Hi Lauren,
        hmmmmm So if you’re hardwired do you need guidance from a hardwired parent? If you’re not hardwired, no amount of guidance from a hardwired individual will help? What about a hardwired individual with a non-hardwired parent?
        I enjoy your thoughts! Beach’n

      2. Hey Lauren

        You’re a smart lady. What do you think about my summation?

        I hope you’re doin well.

        1. I think we all have choices–genetics and training don’t matter as much as what we choose to do with what we’re given.

          I’ve seen people who had no guidance turn out wonderful, amazing adults. I’ve also seen people with fantastic parents and all the right training deliberately turn their backs on it.

          In my personal opinion, most children have what they need, call it genetics or spirit as you will. It’s interesting (but painful) to watch a child being trained OUT of that seemingly inborn common sense and decency.

          1. hey Lauren

            I am sorta thinkin that 5 year old child, we’ve all seen em, the ones that just won’t quit tryin to complete whatever task they are involved in, I can see it on their face, might be even referred to as “passion’. The child that automatically runs to help if you drop a box of light bulbs..I read many years ago, that a child’s basic programmin was done by age 3. Please excuse my lack of proper terminology. I have considered that possibly that is programmed in em by age 3 But then what about the ones that had a perfect example ( maybe a lot better than average not “perfect”)and still went awry…..they were likely programmed fairly well… I am not sure a 5,_8 yr old child has made a choice to behave that way.

            You are absolutely correct about the choice. I have worked in a specialized trade for the better part of 40 yrs. I have dealt with a fair number of young men in that regard. most of em just made a choice to get a job..No passion, no determiination, same attitude as if they were mowin the yard. Then a very few times in a lifetime, you get that one that just BLOOMS, he aint watchin the clock for quittin time, he’s askin to stay a little later to finish what he’s doin……hahaha

            Please be aware that I claim to know NOTHING except what I have read and what i have learned by experience. I have been tryin to understand why people act the way they do since I was a child..I am always interested in the opinions of mature logical adults. Thanks for the thoughtful. comment.

          2. I have yet to see a 1 or 2 year old child who doesn’t get upset when someone else is sad (autistic children not excepted–they just express it differently). That desire to be helpful and NEEDED seems built-in, until it’s trained out of them. And yes, that seems to happen somewhere between age three and five, if it’s going to happen. Those two years are crucial, but most parents don’t even realize that a child that young is paying attention.

            It’s not just parents doing the “programming,” either. It’s friends, school teachers, advertisers, peers. It’s random strangers who say things that the kids internalize. I found myself in a situation today–a one year old child and her mother. I had to stop myself from saying something because that kid was listening. You could see it. Her focus was entirely on us, not on the toys.

            And don’t worry about “terminology.” Like you, I’ve learned from experience and watching people. And LOTS of reading. :)

  14. yep, can’t eat the elephant in one bite.

    gorging can cause you to leave the table, so to speak.

    eat that elephant, one bite at a time

    1. grandee

      It’s hard to eat the elephant when you’re runnin from it. If “mommy” can catch that mean old elephant, she will cut it up in little chunks and hand feed em to “little johnny”. that way she will see to it he don’t get choked. hahahahaha

  15. Hope fully it can be taught. A certain Midwest college just unveiled a new mandatory course: Patriotic Education and Fitness. Perhaps core values are not completely lost to all. Quote from the article: “We have seen a decrease in the understanding of our military and the important role it plays in our democracy. We will do our part to correct this.”
    The four-credit hour course involves more than just reading about America’s values or learning basic flag protocol. It also teaches military skills like pistol and rifle markmanship, map reading and land navigation — even Army rappelling techniques“.
    Protesting begins in 3…2…

        1. should read bale – darn auto correct on the fritz again – or is fritz a racist term now?

          1. Hermit us,

            Ich ben nich eine Fritz. Ich ben eine Kraut! Verstan see?

          2. @hermit us
            Fritz is my dog’s name….he’s the husky mix we rescued from a shelter a few years back.
            I named him Fritz because he was a ‘seizure dog’ and had those special needs. Evidently he will fritz-out without his meds.
            Fritz….Perfect name for him. And “PC” isn’t acknowledged at this household. ;-)

        2. hermit us

          Going down the rope is the easy part, it’s to getting to the top and the sudden stop at the bottom that’s the, —ahhhh— I cant say that word…. HAHAHA

          1. Maybe the left should take the Flags off of the coffins coming back to America. To see which ones are black white or red. Maybe then they could decide which ones are worthy of a salute or “taking a knee”.

    1. Yeah, I saw that, Jon. But on the other ‘side’ I read that Kelloggs has pulled a new cereal box because they had one cereal flake colored darker than the others. The nutjobs went ballistic.

      1. MT
        From now on Kelloggs will double roast all the flakes – ya I know how bad I am but that is the way the country was going.

          1. NRP
            Good thing I don’t partake of them flakes – bad company and bad food in my opinion – don’t want to offend anyone you know. :)

          2. @HermitUs
            We dont eat any MSC (that’s main-stream cereal) around here. And that was years before people began to boycott Kelloggs for their political anti-Trump nonsense.

  16. As an only child I was spoiled to a point. In the 1950’s though my Dad was strict on respect and manners. I got pregnant at 18. A baby brings a REAL reality to your life. Being a selfish teen ager has to go to bye bye. Time went on, divorce, re marriage and another baby. We lived on beautiful land in a 70 x 14 mobile home. Learned to garden, can, freeze, dress game, work with cows and do without. Never hungry though. Divorce again, single mother again, and so on……………………………………………………
    I feel like I have lived 9 lives in this one life. All have their merit and hardship. All are good lessons.
    Prep on and be healthy!

    1. Mrs. USMCBG

      Thinking you waited for the “Best” till the last…. no?

      Thinking the current Mr. would sure think so :-)

    2. Mrs.USMCBG
      Your words make me wonder how many relationships have endured through the “sucks”. Or how many now are in jeopardy because of our will to exercise restraint and prep. It is hard to find that “soul mate” with similar outlook on all the crap that is happening in this world. I can tell you that my first wife just wanted to party and I was more conservative back many years ago. My reading was Mother Earth News and her’s was Cosmo.

    3. Your story sounds a lot like mine, only pregnant at 25 ( don’t take antibiotics when on birth control) I was 6 months along and the dad decided we needed to see other people, so I had the baby on my own, worked till almost the day I had him and had no help from government. Ended up marrying him later ( I know stupid) any way it didn’t last, so single parent, then remarried two more kids and a single parent again. One thing about it being a single parent defiantly makes you a stronger person, Which I was able to pass on to my girls that no matter how hard, just suck it up and do it even if you don’t see light at the end of the tunnel because it eventually will be there. It may not be easy and it may not be fun but in the long run it will be worth it.
      I also think attitude plays a huge role in it to, the ones who look at the hard things and say I”I can’t do that” are the ones who can’t where as the one who say they can and work at it no matter how hard are the ones who make it.
      I think how you are raised has a lot to do with it also ( not always) the ones that had chores, responsibility’s and had to earn their own stuff know that they can do what needs to be done. As opposed to the ones who are handed everything and have no idea that they could do something if they were to try.

    4. I agree that having a child brings perspective. For one, it is no longer all about me or you, it is all about caring for that child. But some people don’t distinguish between wants and needs at that point. I am sure your trials and tribulations strengthened your character and resolve, as mine did me. I am proud to say my kids are productive adults with a strong connection to family – ours and their new families.

      One of the funniest stories I remember is when our oldest son was going through basic. The drill sergeant was dressing down someone and my son, who has an amazing sense of humor, was trying not to laugh (because he knew the target was an idiot who wasn’t going to make the cut). The sarge immediately turned his attention to my son, right in his face, and screamed You find that funny Mario? And then began to threaten him with punishments. My son’s response was Sir, my mother could make you cry. It wasn’t meant as an insult, but rather he had his mind where it needed to be. My son’s performance thus far and perspective wasn’t lost on the sarge and he simply walked away. The snowflake recruit had never learned to suck it up, buttercup.

  17. Guess I’m in sort of a difficult situation right now too.My entire house has to be replumbed.That means NO water for at least 3 or 4 days.They started yesterday.Needless to say,last night was the first night with no water.What fun.I never really realized how dependent we are on a reliable water system in todays life.I have a lot of water containers for camping that I filled.and a couple of 5 gal. pails for toilet flushing.This was a good opportunity to see how much water we use without thinking about it.Unconsciously,I immediately started to ration the water.It must be an instinct thing.Anyway,we used a lot more water than I thought in a day.Wow!I think I will be more careful in the future about wasting water.But I think 2 or 3 more night here,with hauling in water from outside,will be sort of a lesson of persistence and determination.And darn! If only I would quit trying to turn the water faucetts on and off.

  18. This is one of the reasons that I study about and practice for a societal breakdown situation. Personally, I don’t think it would be much worse in some ways than the world we are in now. I mean sure, we will have to do without modern conveniences, worry even more about local violence, and work our butts off just to survive. I mean have people looked around? It is pretty bleak out there. This is why I am slowly trying to move to a more homesteading lifestyle. I have lots of societal things to undo in myself before I get there, and progress is slower than I would like some days. I am that womanwho get the expensive Starbucks drink twice a week, and I don’t reuse as creatively and as often as I could. I eed to invest more in practical things, and we need to go out to eat even less than we do now. But a part of me welcomes the day when I am pushed to live the lifestyle. I have persistence and I am determined in certain areas of my life, like my writing. However, not as much so when it comes to giving up certain luxuries that as of now. I still have a choice to keep.

    1. lovelypoet

      If I may, I would like to comment on this quote;

      “But a part of me welcomes the day when I am pushed to live the lifestyle.”

      To me living the ‘Lifestyle’ is a decision, a way of living, not something that one should be “pushed” into. I believe that if your in a situation of being pushed, that you’ll be in more of a survival mode, and trying to exist with what ya have.

      Living the Lifestyle is so much different than what some think I believe, it’s a feeling, an attitude, something that’s comfortable, not a challenge of trying to exist in this crazy world as it is now. Some refer it as living 100 years ago, some compare it to the Amish,
      For me at least it just seems right, to know I could fend for myself and not ‘need’ FEMA, the .gov, or others to fill my needs to live.

      A lot of people are living this way, Those that are not dependent on the JIT, or Wally World, but have the know-how to exist at peace with one’s self.

      Not sure if than makes sense, but I tried :-)

    2. lovelypoet
      Nice to see your post again. I think where I am at and possibly NRP, is a level of self-reliance that has freed us from much of the system and government. This is still a long ways from no vehicles, no running water, the trip to the outhouse in freezing weather, making soap, the two man crosscut saw, …. but each step in prepping adds more peace of mind. The effort and sacrifice is definitely worth it.

      1. Thanks for your reply hermitus, you make a great point abotu being free from the government. Wow. When you frame it that way, my perceptions changes. There is not a lot that I still feel like “a slave to” so to speak, but the government is one of them . Each step in prepping adds more peace of mind….I like that.

  19. When I was a kid (dark ages), I remember one afternoon I was pouting in my room. Can’t remember why, but my Dad came into my room and asked me what was wrong. I’m quite sure I cried about everything that was wrong. My Dad said “You’re not going to fix anything sitting on that bed pouting and crying. Get up and do something!” I asked him just what was I supposed to do? He told me it was better to do something even if it turns out to be wrong, you can try again. He then told me that if I couldn’t find something to do, he would. Guess what? I got up and did something.

    I’ve carried that wonderful Daddy moment with me all my life. My Son was raised the same way. And my husband hates it when I quote my Dad, but he gets it too.

    Also, I have a “friend” who complains and whines about everything. The line at the bank was too long, so and so said this, that wasn’t on sale at the grocery store…I don’t like my job…on and on. The other day, I suggested that they come to work with me. She would go home grateful she has two arms, two legs, two eyes and a brain that functioned (somewhat) so she could take care of her family and herself. I’m not sure we’re still “friends”.

    That’s my story… Beach’n

    1. Beach’n
      A hard lesson for “bitch’n” but if she does not learn, you may not want her as a friend. Someday, you too would become a person for her to complain about – but only behind your back I’m guessing. I almost wish we were back in the dirty thirties when life required you to buck up and work.

      1. Hermit US

        Try as I might I cannot get ahead of you in the dry humor or the play on words department………….I am determined to persist though..I betcha if we could talk in person, I would wet my britches laffin….hahaha…..You should change your name to “wordsmith”.

        And if that is my ex wife we are talkin about, she will really be mad about you callin her “bitch’n” hahahahahha

        1. wood56gas
          Thanks. We have use some humor and sarcasm to get through the crap that is coming our way daily – I have to stop listening to the news (err BS) Some trolls do not like plays on words or probing inquiries – makes them have to think too much and remember the lies they have told – I remember Marilyn. (whooops sorry) :)

          1. hi hermit us
            Not sure why you brought up Marilyn… so….
            I was also taught that telling the truth is easier to remember than all the lies you have to tell to cover up all the lies. :)
            Beach’n (not bitch’n much or often)

          2. Just a person in the past with a questionable character – you really never know who is behind these nom de plumes.

          3. Hi hermit us,
            Yes, I remember the *Marilyn*.
            I’m sure you don’t intend to include me in your category of “questionable character”. :D

          4. Shucks! Luckily I sign my posts! That last “anonymous” was of course me.

    2. Hey therre beach’n

      First off I saw your comment concernin your son the other day, congratulations on your accomplishment. I am really proud of my 3 girls too, I think you and I are in the minority.

      In my humble experience, we don’t have many “real friends” in life. The other ones are everywhere, you can get em anytime you want em. You don’t even have to look for em, they will always find you…….hahaha

      As far as your lady friend that complains all the time. I think I was married to her once upon a time. Don’t tell her how to find me.

      P.S. it’s a gettin cool up here in the foothills the last couple nites. hard frost both. Good Luck to you ma’am

      1. uhh that was me to beach’n I was afraid to sign my name for fear of bein found by your friend.

        1. Hi wood57gas,
          Yes, I am so very proud of my son! I appreciate your kind words! And I doubt the woman I know has the ability to get up off her behind to find anyone :D
          Beach’n (not bitch’n … much)

  20. Ken, I was looking for a place that I could send an email to you that was off topic, but couldn’t find the place; however, this is possibly on topic too.
    I just saw that here in Kalifornia, we just passed legislation to allow liquification of human bodies. Sounds morbid, but in the event of total SHTF, this might be a scenario that could help the situation of dead bodies preventing the spread of diseases. Do you know anything about this? Thoughts?

    1. Papa J
      Sounds like “Soylent Green” yuk. Talk about what sucks – they must be nuts. Probably use more energy to liquefy than cremation.

      1. They put the remains in what is basically a giant pressure cooker and pump it full of a potassium hydroxide solution up to a ph of 13.5+ and heat it to 300c for about 2 hours. Fluid is drained, solids separated, bones are removed and crushed. Powdered remains are handled just like a cremation. Fluid is ph balanced and sent down the drain. Pretty twisted, huh?

        1. Jon
          I will not ask you how you know but ask WHY they would consider this type of disposal.

          1. @ hermit us… I work with haz-mat. We use potassium hydroxide. It’s some pretty wicked stuff if your not careful! It’s actually used in municipal treatment plants for cleaning and sterilizing. Some think it’s more eco-friendly. Admitting so, all of the reports I’ve read about it indicate it really is better for the environment so long as the solution is properly balanced. There is no dna left in the wash down. Just sterile amino acids, peptides and potassium salts. There also is a pretty good market for the metal implants from both “styles” of cremation. It’s all very high purity titanium, stainless etc.

          2. Thanks Jon
            I thought UV was being used more in municipal treatment plants? Is that chemical system more economical than cremation with nat gas?

      2. Danged if it doesn’t. Was just thinking about that movie the other day.
        You younger folks out there should watch it. 1960’s I think or early 70’s.

      1. Nailbanger
        I bet all the titanium body parts they are using now would really screw up the blender – then flush them to where? Sounds gruesome. I just hope that no one suggests the use of the effluent as fertilizer on the lettuce crops. Pretty sucky.

  21. I have actually stopped buying food for preps and started eating them. I know you are supposed to rotate but between regular food and prep food we are over flush! The boxes of food are running us out of room. In fact I would like another shed just for food but I don’t want my husband to build it, would like it ready made. I would like more info on medical as I always feel a bit shy there. We both have become preppers so there is no problem there, just keep on trucking.

  22. ok here goes. I will tell you all our ” sucks” moment.
    5 years ago we had a great plan to buy acreage and settle my mom and my MIL on our sanctuary . Neither one of them had a real place they could their own or have to work too hard. We all got along great and everyone would contribute in any way they could. They each was going to have their own little “home” on the property. We all went and looked and decided on this property. My MIL said she would put up the down payment. ($25,000). Around a month later we had a signing on the property. In walks my MIL, putting her name on deed until we get the down payment paid off because she no longer wanted to move on the property with us. In return my mom decided to stay off until MILs name was off the deed. We told MIL that if something was to happen to me or her son that the property was to go to our 3 children, her reply, ” I have more then those 3 grandkids, I will divide it equally”.
    We busted our butts off making the extra payment and had it paid off this year. She now has her siblings buying her a place, about 1 mile from us. Now I am busy planting and really planting our feet in the ground! Good to know we didn’t include her in our prepping plans. It was a real struggle, but we “smiled and waved” our way out of it. We was nice, We helped her, and got burned. But now that she has other family members paying her way, she does not contact us. Oh well. But that’s how we “embraced the suck” we ” smiled and waved”
    I believe it made us better, it pushed us to know we could deal with hard stuff.

    1. Hey Jan

      I have learned some hard lessons in my time concernin people and money, even my own family. Somehow it changes some people completely when they have the opportunity to get somethin for nothin, so to speak. I see you smile and wave, good for you, I always figgered if they can live with it, I can live without it. We are wise to never underestimate what people are capable of. Especially if they can personally benefit. Imagine what those same type people will do when they are hungry…….there’s a lot more of em around than one might think. .

  23. Hermit meet Fritz, Fritz meet Hermitus. Money is not evil, albeit it is the root of all evil. So says the Good Book. Nailbanger, there’s a good author that wrote a book entitled ” The Art of the Comeback “. Mr. Grey, all that I can say about your description of future events is, man, that really sucks! Something tells me that the Pilgrims had persistence and determination! Crossing the Atlantic in a 300 foot boat, by today’s standards. And then losing half of the group that first winter. You can believe that the men of Valley Forge could teach us a thing or two about today’s topic. Then there’s the folks who settled the frontier. Try living on the prarie in a sod house heated by buffalo chips. And we cry if the propane tank gets low. You won’t see many smiles on their faces in those old pictures, but you’ll see folks who through sheer determination and persistence were going to forge a new country with the hope of freedom for mankind. The folks of Appalachia can teach us some things about it. SO’s know that America has the world’s best warriors today only because they had the sheer determination and persistence, and will, to carry on while others were giving out, giving up, and giving in. After the blitzkrieg, Winston Churchill instilled it into the Britons by telling them that this is their finest hour. Sorry for rambling, fatigue persists and is determined that I’m going to sleep. Good night. And long live the Republic!

    1. CR
      Thanks for reminding us we descend from those working people. We carry their mind set because of our genetic heritage that is passed down, let us hope that the next generation does also.

  24. @Hermit,,,
    When i read Atlas Shrugged it hit me how much like our country the book was, and that was 6 years ago, es even worse now, my goal is to just not make any money, its tough though. Oh wait thats right,,, im there!
    The reality is theres no way in hell im going to bust my hump to support a bunch of people i dont even know let alone like, obummercare, welfare, HUD,
    Rather starve, and that aint happening cause i have mean gardening and cooking skills and am a one shot one kill kinda guy,
    Who is John Galt!

    1. Nailbanger
      I always like hearing about success. :) The only problem I see on the horizon – what are the last cash cows they can milk? When enough people go Galt and productivity slows, they will push sales taxes and property taxes until we all go under. That beast will be hard to kill my one shot friend.

      1. Its already starting, now our whole state is paying for the out of control rail project on Oahu, next will be the 2billion dollarunfunded state gov employee retiree medical plan,our county has a 200,000,000$ unfunded retiree medical fund and an under performing pension fund that will be in the red realsoontothetune of 15 million a year. Taxes and fees keep climbing. Im stuck here though, circumstances beyond mycontrol, so besti can do is just stay wayyy off to the side

        1. And hope and pray,
          Not really praying or hoping for anything in particular, i guess just direction

          1. Nailbanger
            Hope your property taxes on the acres you have are not too severe – classed as agricultural?

  25. Dh & I were raised how in the world do you know you can’t do it,,, if you do not try.

    As many know ours was the total loss of our home, it was a living hell. Will not sugar coat it, I was ready to walk away from it all & drag the dh with me. The mortgage company, the insurance adjustors could kiss my kabootie as I was tired of dealing with all their hog wash,,,but being stubborn people we stayed and rebuilt. (Before Brown became .gov and this state went farther down the phoo hole)
    Happens again though, we are cleaning up the land, paying off the mortgage moving to a state that has level head people like us.

    1. Is there such a place anymore?
      I just wish i could find a few normal folks over here,,
      Yea, i know, aint going to happen

  26. AC
    Every time people find a cheaper way of living the costs seem to skyrocket. I talk to some in Arizona and Nevada who put modular homes in retirement parks – when capacity is reached, the rates begin to jump with the treat of eviction if you protest. Some are in parks with motor homes or other RV’s – then the parks begin to evict old units in favor of new million dollar units that can afford high rates. The squeeze is really on the retired folks. I witness many new homes on small subdivided parcels in northern Idaho – I’m talking 20 along a highway for a distance of 20 miles. That is quite a change as few were developed in the past 10 years. Talk about a land rush.

    1. hermit us
      Yes, the land rush is on. I have a sites that deliver the up to date properties for sale. If I could get away with it would live in a travel trailer while bringing a parcel from bare land to a living home site. We have done it before, do not look at my age stopping me from forward progression. Wee bet stubborn, just ask dh lol

  27. To those of you that are parents, I have the following story to pass on:

    When I was growing up I had tolerate the alcohol fueled speeches/tirades from my intoxicated father about how : “Kids these days have no guts!” He was raised during the Great Depression and he thought he had the monopoly on stories of growing up poor. I sat silent at the dinner table…it was my father’s house…not my place to argue.

    I ran my first sub 3.5 hour marathon footrace when I was 15 years of age. I left home and attended college on a track scholarship at age 17. I never joined the Military back then. I went on to work my way through college fighting fires, driving ambulance and pushing a black and white for a number of years writing tickets and the occasional arrest. I ended up majoring in Economics. (Where I learned to work smart, not hard.). I graduated debt free back then though it took a long time.

    My father never again made that speech to me at the dinner table. He had to rethink. I never asked him to eat his words. I simply wanted to find out how they were doing without the drunken tirade at the dinner table. Bad for the digestion.

    Your children are listening and they remember this years after you are gone. Not everybody turns out OK. I have siblings with chronic mental illness, others with some learned helplessness, We are all doing the best that we can.

    The Marines may have originated the saying of : “Embrace the Suck”. and I agree that everybody would benefit from more grit within their character. But those lessons come hard and not everybody makes it through the sleep deprivation, hard physical labor, hunger, pain and lack of reward or acknowledgement and the wondering if and when things will get better. (the worst part is the not knowing when it will end.) In Basic and other military training, there is an end date. In real life, there is not.

    Early on, I found my gift, my calling was to help those around me that were struggling. I was a medic. I continue that today as a nurse. I see that grit around me in some of the single moms that work double shifts so their kids can have presents under the tree. Many young people are developing grit around us. One day, they may be my caretakers.

  28. Final hint about running Marathons:

    Do not think about how many miles you have left to run. Think only of how many miles you have covered so far and do the mental checklist of all systems are in the green. Pick up the pace or stay steady or cut back on the pace a bit.

    Lastly, there is a huge difference between completing a marathon and running a marathon for Personal Best. ( mine was only 2:42 before I stopped and found an easier way to make a living.).

  29. Nailbanger, possibly make $$ on eBay. YouTube videos about how. Buying stuff cheap, and flipping it for a profit. One(that I have not seen), How to turn $5.00 into a thousand in less than 3 weeks. Possibly need to refine or modify to fit your locale. Possibly things where you are, that you can get on the cheap, being local, that you could flip for a major profit selling! Adapt and overcome, have heard that before somewhere 😉

  30. I like to think I have persistence and determination but my wife says I’m stubborn as a mule and smell like one too.

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