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Assets That Will Matter After The End Of The World As We Know It

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Are you preparing for TEOTWAWKI? If you are, then you likely have a much different view of the assets that will be important – those that will matter most – compared to today.

For the majority of people living in today’s modern world, in their minds the tangible things that ‘matter’ in life might include their iPhone, their social media Apps, their credit card, the new car, fashionable clothes, the McMansion, their 401K, a bigger flat-screen TV, the latest gaming platform, etc.. you get the idea… the ‘stuff’ that modern-day programming begs you to get.

With that said, those ‘things’ may be mostly worthless during TEOTWAWKI, while other (very different?) assets will become the one’s that matter most…


 
As is the case in any hypothetical situation whereby you’re making a plan or analyzing the potential factors or results, the output will depend on the input. In this case, TEOTWAWKI is not defined but instead is a vague generalization and concept of life after some sort of major life-altering societal collapse. The extent, depth and breadth is left for your interpretation and imagination.

With that in mind, there will certainly be some commonality among the hypothetical interpretations of TEOTWAWKI and its outcome, so lets concentrate on what tangible assets might matter ‘most’ during such a time.

If we can identify them (those that matter the ‘most’), then we can acquire them now. And while they may not seem of much value now, in tomorrow’s world they may be worth their weight in gold…

So let’s get a list going, and later I’ll append this article to include the apparent ‘best of’…

 
Ready, set, go…

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  1. While it’s a very smart thing to begin thinking in high-level terms – broad categories or skill sets… however for the sake of this particular post, let’s focus and drill down to the next level – on a list of ‘tangibles’, things you can touch and feel. Specifics. Those ‘things’ that may matter most…

    For example, when you think of “the knowledge of how to make a fire”, well, what physical ‘thing’ or things might be of most value in that regard?

    Or if you feel that the ability to make foods from scratch might be very important in a ‘TEOTWAWKI’ world, then what ‘things’ might matter most in such a world?

    We could all make a list “a mile long”, but comment on what first comes to your mind as being important assets… the things that ‘matter’ more than others…

    1. Ha! Glad you clarified/reiterated that because the first thing that came to my mind was something that isn’t tangible. It was the ability to be a good communicator/leader. :) And a whole lot of intestinal fortitude and faith! :)

      So for tangibles I would have to say:

      CB’s, two way radios, Ham Radios, and any radio that has multiple ways to charge
      Sturdy wagon or wheel barrow
      Good bicycles
      Wood
      Cast iron cookware
      Fire extinguishers
      Food and seeds
      Water
      Water filtration
      Self defense items
      Medical supplies
      Manual tools of all sorts
      Lots of buckets and pitchers too
      Bleach
      Soap
      Lots of washcloths and towels
      Batteries
      Fuel
      TP and women’s “sanitary” pads :)

      I guess we could all make a list a mile long but I’ll stop here

      1. Nice list, a good starting point would be to remember what you take on a one-week backpacking trip and then go from there.

      2. This is a great list! I noticed no one has yet mentioned char cloth. If one has char cloth one can make fire with ease using any of the fire-starting methods involving no matches or lighters. Any spark or ember or magnifying glass will take instantly with char cloth. The benefit of that is you can make more char cloth once you have fire :)

    2. Howdy folks! This is a great topic. My wife and I are actually working on a new list right now for items needed (some that aren’t usually thought about) when building up preparations:

      1. Books
      a. We have built an extensive library of books containing information such as primitive skills, foraging wild edibles, how-to, home improvement, medical, craft and wood working, survival, hunter-gatherer, gardening/micro-farm, how things work, and so on. Many of these we buy used at places like the Goodwill stores where everything is half off on the first Saturday of the month. I’ve bought many books in used to new condition for around a buck each. We also go to TSC and Lowes for great self sufficiency books. Don’t forget to add copies of Backwoodsman magazine. You may see an article of mine in there every once in a while if you can stand my long windedness.

      2. Alternative weapons: Not many things in life are better than an AK47 or M1 Garand. I won’t throw those into my list though as if you are reading this site you already know the need for at least a small collection of guns and ammo to be used as specific tools for hunting, defensive, and sometimes offensive operations. Here are a few of my recommendations:
      a. Black powder weapons: These are great because, with the proper training and self education, you can mold your own bullets, make your own powder, and even make your own percussion caps/flints. That is a very self-sufficient weapon system, fun to shoot, and hey, it is a great way to pay respects to the guys that came before us.
      b. Primitive weapons: Sling shots (both kinds), bow and arrow (and the ability to make your own), an atlatl or two, spears, and maybe even a rabbit stick. These are great for hunting, fun to make, and a blast to learn how to use. If nothing else it could be an interesting hobby to pass the time and take your mind of the apocalypse for a while.
      c. Air guns: I‘ve made meat many a time in my life with everything from a Red Ryder (and did not shoot my eye out) to high powered single shots. Quite and functional.
      d. Don’t forget the fishing gear. Line and hooks are cheap and it doesn’t take up a lot of room to stockpile a lifetime supply. The rest can be improvised. I have an old, large tackle box currently being filled with line, hooks, swivels, and sinkers little by little while times are good. Fishing = food and fun all in one.

      3. Lawn and garden equipment
      a. Remember Leave it to Beaver? They sell those manually powered reel mowers at the home improvement stores for a reasonable price. They have a large and a small model. I’d like to have one of each. Lawn care will be important for those bugging in as, once your grass grows too high, snakes, rats, and other critters become an issue, and a neat looking place may help morale quite a bit.
      b. Shovels, hoes, rakes, and other hand tools for gardening and lawn work. Extra handles too unless you have the wood and ability to make your own.
      c. Cutting tools: Hit the antique stores for good deals on two-man buck saws, sling blades, and other manual farm tools. Don’t forget a good axe in medium and large, plus a tomahawk or two, hatchets, and an adze.
      4. Food/cooking: We know the importance of stored goods, LTS foods, seeds, and the ability to grow your own produce and raise your own meat. Don’t forget to insure the ability to prepare that food. Here are a few items I like to keep on hand:
      a. A grill or two (extra cylinders if you are using gas)
      b. Wood heater/cook stove (don’t forget the cast iron Dutch oven)
      c. Rocket stove
      d. Solar oven
      e. Solar dehydrator
      i. I like multiple selections to have the appropriate tool for a specific cooking job

      5. Water:
      a. A well or a nearby water source source
      b. Rain collection system
      c. Bottled/contained water for consumption, cleaning, cooking, and flushing toilets
      d. Multiple methods for filtration

      6. Emergency gear
      a. A tote containing a large amount of at least 4mil plastic sheeting, multiple tarps, Gorilla/Duct tape, heavy duty garbage bags, and various types of cordage. Great kit for sealing up the house, making improvised shelter, or a green house.

      These are items focused more toward bugging in at home. It is also required to have the appropriate collection of bags at the ready in case you have to bug out but we are hoping to stay here where the natural resources are. There are so many other items to add….

      Water, fire, food and shelter are the key elements of survival. Add health/hygiene, security, and knowledge, and you have the tools to make it through. Good luck folks.

  2. OHHHH this is going to be fun

    Ok, my thinking.
    1. Knowledge, how to do stuff such as finding/building shelter, finding clean water, foraging, raising food, primitive cooking, building fire…..
    2. Health
    3. A way to protect yourself/others and hunt; firearms/knives, more than one obviously, with adequate ammo
    4. Adequate clothing/shoes/hat/gloves, protection from the elements
    Companionship, a “group” or others that think alike
    5. The GHB, BOB, EDC, GOOD, and the Cooking bags would be nice, but not essential if you have the Knowledge

    Other than that it’s all just stuff to make yourself more comfortable.

    We are, as we call ourselves, preppers; we should know how to “survive” doing without……
    NRP

  3. Lighters (e.g. BIC lighters for fire-starting)
    Pressure Canner & Water Bath Canner
    Canning Jars and Lids
    Vegetable Seeds
    Jugs for water carrying & storage
    Water Filter
    …?

    1. Selco says comfort items like cosmetics, etc were sought after during his ‘event’, sometimes to the point of foregoing a meal.

  4. Water and water purification will be one of the most valuable assets. Storage is not as simple as other things, and transporting it will be difficult in quantity. Some parts of the country are natural drought centers while others have an abundance of this precious resource, but even if it’s plentiful in your area you will be tethered to a close proximity which leaves you susceptible to disease, insect attacks, and attacks of marauders seeking the same precious resource. This leads to the next valuable commodity … defensible shelter and the means necessary to defend it.

    Just my 2 cents

  5. To me, it all boils down to the “S” when the “S” hits the fan.
    Focus on the “S” items: Skills, Strategies, & Stuff.

    Defensive skills
    Farm skills
    Foraging skills
    Construction skills
    Domestic skills

    Defensive strategies
    Farming strategies/plans for seasonal harvests
    Foraging schedule (w/ respect to seasons)
    Home-based plans for repairs, renovations, additions

    Food
    Water
    Shelter
    Clothing
    Fire/Light/Heat
    Garden, orchard, wildstuffs
    Other basic stuff

    1. “Skills” are light weight, easy to carry, and don’t take up precious space in your bag.

  6. Ive read two fictional SHTF books. Both seem to start with people desperately trying to figure out what happened. (So number one would be some sort of radio, perhaps shortwave or other) one preferable protected by a Faraday cage which can be as simple as heavy gauge aluminum foil wrapped around the radio. And clearly skills which must be learned now. After that,

    2 water and the ability to obtain it and purify it if necessary
    3. Food …long term stuff. One may need to live off of it for several years. If the grid goes down, it could be 2 or more years before it is back up
    4. the ability to defend yourself and the weapons to do so
    5. Shelter including a way to heat it if ya live up north.
    6. The ability to provide food for yourself because if the SHTF is a life altering event then ya probably will run out of stored food.
    7. the ability to cook food..
    8. the ability to stay healthy…medicine, prayer this may go to a higher number for others but I am healthy

    These are the core items.. after that other things are nice..and will improve your quality of life.

    1. PrepperPam you are right about a radio preferably one with short wave. But don’t let the aluminum foil touch the radio or it will fry it. Put the radio in a sealed or taped box and then wrap with aluminum foil.

          1. Correct. Grounding is not necessary. Many do not understand this fact because it seems counter-intuitive. However if one studies the subject and understands the electronic principles regarding the Faraday cage, it becomes evident…

      1. Going to start making my Faraday Cage next week… I have nearly 11K books downloaded on my Kindle (64GB SD card in it), new set of walkie talkies, an AC/DC inverter for my 45 watt portable solar set up, and some small electric appliances (immersion blender, small coffee grinder that I use for dried herbs, etc.). That I need to protect. Also portable medical equiptment such as a nebulizer with battery that can be charged if your away from home to use, glucometer, and B.P. cuff.

  7. With a total TEOTWAWKI event, I expect the grid fried for a very long time, no police or military, no food distribution, and Nuclear power plants unable to shut down quickly,(up to a year if not years) and a country full of Chaos dominating urban populations. Lets hope the nuke plants are given first priority in this case or we are all dead.

    But set aside all Nuke plants in a meltdown, would be the worst after a month, people too desperate by this time and after the food they steal and kill for, many will resort to eat each other in those urban areas. I read several stories of cannibalism where there was no food available. This would be like a zombie apocalypse, and glad I am far from the cities. By a years time they say 90% of the people will be dead, but there still will be gangs who have been hardened into killing for what they want and have to be dealt with.

    Assets
    Firearms and ammo
    Food, soap, pet food storage
    water source nearby
    Land and shelter
    Heirloom seeds to grow food on the land
    Raising farm animals for food and food sources for them
    natural resources for food, hunting, trapping, fishing, gathering.
    Medicines and first aid
    wood or sources for heat and cooking/firestarters
    Clothing/blankets/etc.
    Tools used for farming, trapping, fishing, firewood, repairs
    “How-to-” books and skills on “how-to”
    Bible
    home schooling supplies for kids
    A like minded community or group to share responsibilities, guard, and work for the common good.

    1. Stardust, I like how you mentioned the home school supplies. I saved everything from our home schooling days.

      1. Thanks but being a daughter of two teachers, they knew the importance of pen, paper, and books when things got boring for me. I wrote episodes for the Virginian in 1964 when I was 12, using the proper grammar thinking they would use my story, lol, and the paper kept me as a child busy making homemade cards and letters to my mom and grandparents and drawing pictures I saw in the books.

    2. Stardust I`m glad to see you placed firearms first on your list, if you can`t protect what you have someone will take it.

  8. Hot sauce. If I learned anything from the good ol US Army is that you can choke down all kinds of disgusting things so long as you can add enough Tabasco.

  9. Spare spectacles; also different prescription versions, based on an estimate of your likely sight deterioration as you, hopefully, age.

      1. Another option for those old enough to suffer early cataracts is have the new bifocal implants so you no longer need glasses. They are good for your lifetime. And if you have cataracts, get them taken care of early please, the longer you wait the more difficult they are to remove. Just make sure your doctor is one who does these a lot so he is really good. I had it done and it is wonderful to not wear glasses anymore! My regular eye doc told me I wasn’t a candidate for this surgery. He wasn’t lying, but how they do this has changed so much that many people who couldn’t have this done before are now able. One of the first things I did within a couple weeks of completing the second eye surgery was pick off a mean rooster with a nice head shot using my 22 rifle. It was nice not to struggle with the hard sights.

  10. Tangibles:

    Water, purifier, containers for it & hand pump for wells

    Food, The year worth within the home and I would suggest caches buried even on the same property but out of direct line of sight from the house

    Seed, Ability to produce food in the future

    Animals, valuable for meat, labor, milk, eggs, hides, furs, manure

    Weapons & ammunition – Not just firearms but bow and arrows/darts The ability to take game or provide protection silently can not be stressed enough when you are trying to escape notice

    Food preservation equipment – canners water & pressure, lids, wax, rings, jars

    Salt and other seasonings – salt for more than consumption since it plays a parts in food preservation

    Transportation – good walking boots/shoes, Bikes, tires & equipment to maintain, small cart & harness for dog/goat/pony/horse (you get the idea)

    Communication – radio preferably solar or crank powered or store a lot of batteries

    Books/Written information – always useful on a variety of subjects Love my kindle but also like having hard copies

    Defendable Home – preferably brick or stone, metal roof You could definitely see the reason behind walled cities of Europe.

    This is just a start. If I sit here long enough sure I could come up with more or add more to the above.

    1. MM Great list. The hand pump for well is so important! Would be a heck of a thing to have a world of water right there at your fingertips and not be able to retrieve it!!!

      1. You can also make a well bucket from PVC pipe and get water from the well. Just need some rope and a pulley. Check out U Tube for film on how to make one.

  11. Attitude: Yesterday was TEOTWAWKI.
    If it was not much different for you than today is, tomorrow might be.
    –Dave

  12. Oh, and I know this isn’t a necessity for “survival” but thinking about what could be “useful” after TEOTWAWKI,and something people may not necessarily think of, is music.

    It can have a calming, inspiring, motivating, effect on people that could definitely help in a stressful situation.

    So, for myself, I have lots of CD’s and batteries and a portable CD player.

    I also have a harmonica for each of us, and acoustic guitars, and drums.

    Just a thought.

      1. I bought one of those small Sony portable DVD players and some cheap solar panels from Harbor Freight. I can watch movies. Everything is, of cource, stored in Faraday cages.

    1. Hmmm, I just sing a song or two or whistle a happy tune if I can hang my mouth right. I live alone so no one feels punished when I sing, and my dogs must like it because they cock their heads sideways at me.

    2. I down loaded my cd collection to iTunes library. Then I have several old iPod that have no trade in value and put my entire library of over 3000 songs on them so I can listen to them. Those ipods are currently in my Faraday cage….:-)

  13. Second attempt;
    DPMS AR-15, 10 Mags, 5000 rounds of M855’s or FMJ’s
    Springfield Armory XD-45ACP, 10 mags, 5000 rounds of 230 Hollow Point
    2 Magnesium Firelight Bars
    A GREAT Knife and Hatchet
    Para Cord
    Tarps of various sizes
    Rain/Cold weather Gear (clothing/boots)
    A good wheelbarrow or wagon
    Small Sliver coins for bartering
    TP, LOTS and LOTS of TP, y-all knew I was going to say that, hehehe
    Gin, Bombay Sapphire, not that Tanqueray gunk…
    My dad’s old army “mess kit”
    Binoculars and Night Goggles
    First Aid Kit/Trauma Kit
    Fishing gear
    This could be a very long list, so enough for now
    NRP

      1. For alcohol, how about a bunch of those really small bottles enough for a shot glass. That may be just enough to deter unwanted elements on their way?
        I am pretty much with everyone here and their lists.
        Don’t forget to get your maps, laminated to prevent them from tearing and a good compass too.

        1. Materials for distilling your own alcohol and the ability to do so. Now I have another skill set I need to learn and prepare for.

          1. me,

            I saw on those student sites where you can buy chemical study sets for a mini lab, at has a bunsen burner and more. Thinking of purchasing one, never know when it can come in handy and may just work for distilling many things…:) I think they run from about 80 to 250 a set…not a bad price for it.

          2. me and others thinking of distilling alcohol

            best to do some research ahead of time..

            the first “amount” which comes off is fairly toxic, and must be discarded.

            quotes as to what the amount is varies,
            a quart, or more

          3. @ me, Distilling, Texas and others
            I need to interject a little info here.

            Distilling alcohol, moonshine, brandy, etc. is illegal in the US and in 90% of the countries of the world. Now before anyone goes crazy and starts up, Beer, Wine, Mead are legal for the home brewer up to 250 gallons per year. One can also get a license for distilling for around $1000 from the Feds and State. Unfortunately this license allows a FULL inspection and search of your facility anytime they (Feds) wish to, no different than owning a full-auto or a 50Cal rifle that you MUST have a license for.
            If you get caught distilling it is a felony with finds and jail time.

            Please see the following…

            *********
            Home Distilling
            While individuals of legal drinking age may produce wine or beer at home for personal or family use, Federal law strictly prohibits individuals from producing distilled spirits at home (see 26 United States Code (U.S.C.) 5042(a)(2) and 5053(e)). Producing distilled spirits at any place other than a TTB-qualified distilled spirits plant can expose you to Federal charges for serious offenses and lead to consequences including, but not necessarily limited to, the following:
            1.Within title 26 of the United States Code, section 5601 sets out criminal penalties for activities including the following. Offenses under this section are felonies that are punishable by up to 5 years in prison, a fine of up to $10,000, or both, for each offense.
            •5601(a)(1) – Possession of an unregistered still.
            •5601(a)(2) – Engaging in business as a distiller without filing an application and receiving notice of registration.
            •5601(a)(6) – Distilling on a prohibited premises. (Under 26 U.S.C. 5178(a)(1)(B), a distilled spirits plant may not be located in a residence or in sheds, yards, or enclosures connected to a residence.)
            •5601(a)(7) – Unlawful production or use of material fit for production of distilled spirits.
            •5601(a)(8) – Unlawful production of distilled spirits.
            •5601(a)(11) – Purchase, receipt, and/or processing of distilled spirits when the person who does so knows or has reasonable grounds to believe that Federal excise tax has not been paid on the spirits.
            •5601(a)(12) – Removal or concealment of distilled spirits on which tax has not been paid.
            2.Under 26 U.S.C. 5602, engaging in business as a distiller with intent to defraud the United States of tax is a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison, a fine of up to $10,000, or both.
            3.Under 26 U.S.C. 5604(a)(1), transporting, possessing, buying, selling, or transferring any distilled spirit unless the container bears the closure required by 26 U.S.C. 5301(d) (i.e., a closure that must be broken in order to open the container) is a felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison, a fine of up to $10,000, or both, for each offense.
            4.Under 26 U.S.C. 5613, all distilled spirits not closed, marked, and branded as required by law and the TTB regulations shall be forfeited to the United States. In addition, 26 U.S.C. 5615(1) provides that unregistered stills and/or distilling apparatus also will be forfeited.
            5.Under 26 U.S.C. 5615(3), whenever any person carries on the business of a distiller without having given the required bond or with the intent to defraud the United States of tax on distilled spirits, the personal property of that person located in the distillery, and that person’s interest in the tract of land on which the still is located, shall be forfeited to the United States.
            6.Under 26 U.S.C. 5686, possessing liquor or property intended to be used in violation of the law is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 1 year in prison, a fine of up to $5,000, or both. Such liquor and property is also subject to the seizure and forfeiture provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5688.
            7.Under 26 U.S.C. 7201, any person who willfully attempts to evade or defeat any Internal Revenue Code tax (including the tax on distilled spirits) has committed a felony and shall be fined up to $100,000, imprisoned for up to 5 years, or both, plus the cost of prosecution.
            8. Under 26 U.S.C. 7301, any property subject to tax, or raw materials and/or equipment for the production of such property, in the possession of any person for the purpose of being sold or removed in violation of the internal revenue laws may be seized and shall be forfeited to the United States. In addition, any property (including aircraft, vehicles, and vessels) used to transport or used as a container for such property or materials may be seized and shall be forfeited to the United States. Further, 26 U.S.C. 7302 adds that it is unlawful to possess any property intended for use, or which has been used, in violation of the internal revenue laws; no property rights shall exist in any such property.
            And YES there is a LOT on the internet about distilling and thousands of people probably do so (I don’t know of any people that do distill of course) but it IS not recommended to do so and if you get caught…….. you have been warned, do NOT listen to people selling equipment and will tell you anything for a sale.

            ************************
            If you decide to distill, do so knowingly. After the SHTF, ohhhhh well I guess.

            NRP

          4. NRP, like you said, the cue is after SHTF….no uncle sam, no checking on your brew….unless we all end up like in Terminator, which would be fuzzy indeed….
            but, 250 gallon…hmm, that would last me at least 50 years to drink lol…

          5. NRP
            Darn, I was going to suggest you needed to get the parts for your still for when the ****hits the fan. It was to be a joke, but that went up in smoke. :-(

          6. @antique collector
            No No NO, up in smoke is about 2 miles north of me, up in Colorado HAHAHA
            NRP

          7. NRP
            Is that why they call it “Rocky Mtn High’? lol with you

          8. At some point there will be some sort of midieval barter system start up. Fish antibiotics are the same chemically as people antibiotics and don’t need a prescription. Thomaslabs.com makes antibiotics that can kill weaponized anthrax for $30.00. If you have a sick child and an AR with 1,000 rounds of ammo and i have a bottle of ampicillin with the firepower to protect it, at the end of gthe day I will have 300 rounds of ammo and you will have the pills.

            Pool shock. You can sanitize 10,000 gallons of water for $4.00 if done properly. The owder keeps forever if kept ina cool dry place….

  14. More detailed Ken? I will list some multi-purpose supplies that saves on bulk and supplies.

    Salt–many uses-preserving, flavoring, makes ice melt, making ice cream and frozen deserts, reduces cooking time if short on fuel, hey, Ken wrote something on this once…

    Baking Soda- rising baked goods and pancakes, brushing teeth, removes burnt food in pans, cleans fruits and veggies, on a scrub brush for stains, neutralizes odors, sunburns, homemade deodorant, putting out grease fires, fighting dandruff, use as an antacid by stopping heartburn, exfoliating the skin, fluffs up omelets and scrambled eggs, I could go on….

    Duct Tape- fixing leaks, use on bandages and homemade arm/leg braces, patching rips on clothes, makes a good hinge, holds down trunks and doors that won’t close, tapes screens, makes a homemade hammock for primitive camping, makes arrow shaft feathers, makes clothing, to tie up an intruder, and can be used to keep someone’s mouth shut, NRP?… ;-) just kidding! heh, heh.

    Vinegar–for making pickles and pickled northern pike, peppers, hot sausage. eggs, what have you, in salads for a zesty tang, washing windows, deodorizing counters, toilets, washing machines and anything stinky, soaked on a brown bag for strains, to prevent mildew, rub cider vinegar to repel insects and use for sunburns, removes chewing gum and label gum, neutralizes urine on diapers, Use with baking soda as a shower or metal scrub, and more..

    Hydrogen Peroxide- for whitening teeth, nails, a stringent for acne, lightening hair, with water as an Antiseptic Mouth Rinse, rising out debris in cuts and scrapes, and for dogs to ingest with water to induce vomiting for poisons.(follow vet recommendations)

    Uses of doxycycline–used internally to destroy different bacterial infections, such as acne, urinary tract infections, pneumonia and respiratory infections, intestinal infections, eye infections, gonorrhea, chlamydia, periodontitis (gum disease),Lyme and other tick borne diseases, cholera, syphilis, and malaria.

    Okay, there’s my short list of some important preps to have when TEOTWAWKI happens.

    1. @ Stardust
      HEY!!!! I resemble that remark LOLOL or should I say mummmmbule mummmmble?
      HAHAHA
      NRP

      1. One of the lifelike Japanese androids. How can a man NOT love a hott young chick with an OFF switch?

    2. Be careful with your advice. Doxycycline,Tetracycline, and those of this strain are the only Antibiotics that become poisonous and can kill you after the expiration date. The other antibiotics lose potency over time, but these become dangerous. Check out Doom & Bloom for more info.

        1. Stardust

          that is interesting…worth researching more.

          quite possible it is the old saw about pharma getting one to chuck stuff so they can charge more/yet again for same

          1. okay, hope this link goes through…
            interesting that you took 17 yr old doxy, as I found a study that studied 17 yr old doxy, and appears to conclude it is okay…

            I googled

            Doxycycline expired

            on Google Scholar

            to come to some scientific papers on this

            Almost identical in vitro dissolution curves of 17 years expired and non-expired doxycycline tablets from the same
            manufacturer (Ratiopharm GmbH),

            http://www.formatex.info/microbiology4/vol3/1721-1725.pdf

        2. Stardust, I’m so sorry to hear that your dead, you sounded like in all your other posts that I’ve read that your very much alive and well, and really have your stuff together and could survive just about anything. You ain’t dead darlin, just shows you have a sense of humor along with aii your other attributes. Keep on keeping on, your comments are greatly appreciated

        3. Stardust mine was 20 years old and the dosage was 4 times normal due to the reduction in potency

    3. I suggest adding witch hazel, and ammonia both of which have several uses, ammonia for washing, cleaning, etc leaves everything smelling fresh, witch hazel as a medical kit item for any type of skin irritations and cleaner its a keeper, try using it on a washrag to clean your face it will not burn your eyes has no residual odor and will clean a cut without burning and it so underrated. it is called an “astringent” and was years ago in wide use by even doctors.

  15. YEAST. You can make sour dough bread without it, but I live close to an orchard, and yeast helps to make a quicker batch of Hard Apple Cider!!?+⚡=? ?

  16. Books and reference materials of all kinds. History Books, math books, science books, medical books, anatomy books, psychology books, physics books, language books, music books, astronomy books, maps, atlases, magnifying glasses, telescopes, microscopes, chemistry sets, rechargeable calculators, old style calculators, old style typewriters, pencil & paper, audio tapes, etc. And don’t forget medical testing equipment, such as thermometers, blood pressure cuffs, stethoscopes, litmus paper….

    Some people above me mentioned home school materials, but I think people should think ahead — not just at the education of small children. Human beings have spent thousands of years acquiring the knowledge we now have. If we go back to the 19th century for even 10 years, how much would people remember if it is not in writing? A new generation would have to learn it all over again.

    Every type of written material will someday be valuable.

    1. You are so right DaisyK. This is why I hold onto all reference books I get my hands on. I keep very few fiction books on my bookshelf. I have three bookcases and two of them are just How-to books. The third has encyclopedia, history and a few assorted subjects.

  17. This list is not all inclusive since that would take too much space so I’m including essentials. To me, essential means a tool that will make my life easier to accomplish my goal. I’m not trying to survive in the Alaskan wilderness by starting out with only my underwear, a hunting knife and a pare of shoes!!

    I’m just growing my own food after the collapse. Also, I’m not pushing brand names but include some things we have for clarity so you can look them up to see what they look like. For the gardening tools I will list the things that we have come to rely on the most. I know there are a lot of arguments against gas or diesel powered equipment after the fall but never-the-less, I have enough fuel storage to last me at least 2 years, with good management (both diesel and gasoline) so I will include them because I intend to use it all until I run out of fuel and lubricants.

    I don’t expect TEOTWAWKI to push us back into the stone age or dark ages so would not expect to be without access to diesel or gasoline for more than a year or two at most. If I’m wrong, well I’m too old to worry about that and I will simply do with what I have. I don’t want to live in the stone age but I could if I had to. My primary focus is, and has been on protection, food production and storage.

    Guns and bullets for both hunting food and protection if it gets really, really bad. Reloading equipment with dies for essential caliber’s.

    Dry bulk food storage like beans, rice, powdered milk, noodles, sugar, salt, grains (wheat, barley, oats, corn, rye, flax etc..) to sustain you for at least 2 years. Expand on this with your own imagination.

    Water storage to handle at least 1000 gallons of roof run off to use for both drinking and irrigation.

    For example; Car wash water tanks, 55 gallon car wash soap barrels, 55 gal drums, 25 gallon nursery containers w/tops, Empty 6 gallon grain buckets. We have about 1,500 gallons total capacity and use it all, primarily for irrigation during dry spells since plants like rain water more than they like treated water.

    Gardening/Farming tools both hand and powered, and supplies.

    Seeds. Start collecting as many seeds as you can of the vegetables and herbs that you like and that will grow in your area. Start with heirlooms so you can save the seeds. Add hybrids as you like but don’t grow them next to your heirlooms. We have collected seeds from multiple sources over the years and now have our own “Svalbard seed vault”. The entire freezer compartment of our spare refrigerator is full of seeds.

    Heavy duty wheel hoe with implements. A good one is expensive but it probably will never wear out and is about as heavy duty as you can get. It can be used to put in an entire 1000 sq foot garden without a whole lot of trouble. Valley Oak Tool Company.

    Heavy duty broad fork. Used to prep the ground before using the wheel hoe. This is one of the heaviest and solid tools I’ve ever used and can turn over a lot of ground. Valley Oak Tool Company.

    Hoe’s (several different kinds) Regular, cultivator, triangular etc…

    Hand hoe’s like the Korean hand plow (awesome tool) we have 5 or 6 of these.
    Hand weed diggers.

    A couple traditional cane knives. The blades are thin and easy to keep sharp and they work a lot better than machetes for harvesting vegetables like cabbage or simply chopping stuff (vegetables) up.

    A couple good sling blades.(Both the Kaiser style and the double or weed cutter serrated style).

    Flat bastard and triangular files essential for keeping your tools sharp.

    2 shovels (rice shovel style) where the blade and handle are straight. Not like the kind you buy at Sears, Home Depot or Lowes, where the blade is at a 15-30 degree angle from the handle and which are totally useless for gardening but better suited for shoveling gravel. Also, not like a sharpshooter which has a specific use not suited for gardening although you may find them handy for digging out deep rooted plants once you sharpen them.

    A couple wide grain shovels. (wide and wider) for spreading manure and compost.

    Heavy duty rake for raking the garden and pulling up dirt.

    Yard rake for raking leaves, pine needles and clippings for mulch.

    A good 24” bow saw with lots of spare blades.

    Good rubber boots and other foot wear and quality clothes and work gloves.

    If you have acreage of 1 acre or more, and trees, you will most likely need diesel or gasoline powered equipment to work the land. We do a lot of work by hand on the gardens inside our yard but there’s no way I can work a 1/2 acre or 1 acre garden by hand. That is totally out of the question even after TEOTWAWKI unless there are a lot of willing hands to help and so far I haven’t seen any. The only thing I see are people with their hands out. (Prime reason to be armed.)

    Tractor (I prefer the Kubota 4400) with a front end loader.

    2 bottom plow (Turn the ground over, deep, every 2 or 3 years.)

    60” PTO powered roto-tiller

    Tractor draw-bar with hiller disks for drawing up the rows. I was lucky enough to inherit a set with three different size disks on each side. The modern hillers are a lot lighter and usually have only one disk per side.

    Middle buster for breaking out the row centers when harvesting potatoes or carrots etc..You can use the broad-fork or a shovel for this but it is a lot slower.

    60” bush hog for keeping grass and weeds cut around the big garden and the pasture. You can use your sling blades for this but you gotta be a glutton for punishment to do this by hand.

    6 or 8 tine adjustable cultivator for side by side rows. You can use the wheel plow attachments for this but in a really big garden you gotta be a glutton for punishment to do this by hand.

    Rear tine walk behind roto tiller (I have the Troy Bilt Pony it’s 21 years old and still runs good)

    Stihl T55 small tiller.(for tight places the Pony can’t be used)

    Several 8” and 10” lengths of heavy chain with several clevis hooks preferably the grab hook style for hooking onto itself. Lots of rope of different sizes from 100’ coils of 1” hemp to small stuff.

    T posts, rolls of barbed wire and several rolls of baling twine.

    A good set of skidding tongs. 1” x 25” with a ring.

    A couple nice splitting and felling axes.

    Various chain saws.

    Canning and food storage.

    1 All American 25 quart pressure canner.

    2 stainless water bath canners. 25 and 20 quart with racks.

    2 or more 12 – 20 quart stock pots.

    Lots of quart canning jars (wide mouth and regular)

    Lots of Pint canning jars (wide mouth and regular)

    a few 1/2 pint canning jars.

    Lots and lots of canning flats and spare rings.

    Miscellaneous canning tools.

    Lumber for home/barn and other repairs. Both 10’ and 8’. (2×4’s, 2×6’s, 4’x8’ plywood sheets, 4×4’s) nails, different sizes and a good supply of wood screws and carpentry tools (saws, hammers, use your imagination here). The list is almost endless.

    I’m sure I left off some things but this list is getting too long as it is. 30 years ago I lived without all this stuff but today I find it all essential. I couldn’t produce the amount and variety of foods that I do without this equipment.

  18. Any hand powered tool, including those for the kitchen. As one who has had to make lots of cream soups for someone with no teeth I can’t imagine the effort required to puree foods without a hand powered blender or at the very least a food mill. Yes it can be done, but the time required to accomplish such a task will surely take you away from other more important chores such as gardening or water collection. Hand beater or whisk as well.

    I know most people wont think these things are as important, but think of it this way. In a SHTF event you are likely to not be able to find or get to a dentist, so you could start losing teeth along the way. Or you could find that you have teeth that are starting to bother you when you need to chew. It gets easier to eat soft foods or in case of no teeth to drink your food.

  19. Any one interested in how to make hard cider and vinegar? One to make a safe drink and the other to preserve.

  20. Someone mentioned, “Attitude.” I would add mindset, the ability to without hesitation defend your family.

    Trained and hardened veterans can only take so much before even they essentially lose their minds and are unable to live with what they’ve seen and had to do to survive.

    Although nothing prepares you for that situation quite like having experienced it, I wonder how many have actually trained for this to the best of their ability and will be able to cope with it when the time comes.

    1. You will never know how you will react until you are in the situation I pray you never have to know

  21. Well, if it is the end of the world as we know it that means it won’t come back and that might make a big difference in the lists for TEOTWAWKI and A Severe Interruption Of Societal Structure With The Strong Possibility Of Eventual Recovery. For the big T I’d want arable land, say 20 acres with 10 in woodlot, the remainder in pasture/fields; a year-round water source, a sturdy, defensible shelter, pigs, chickens, cows, a horse or two, heirloom seeds for vegetables,herbs and grains, tools to farm and work wood, plough etc. Or a nice Amish family I could move in with.

      1. I wouldn’t say I’m uniquely set… it’s just that we realized, many years ago, that the world would truly be a dull place after TEOTWAWKI hit if all we had to eat was clover, cornbread and collard greens or MRE’s or wild berries and nuts and the only way to make things brighter would be to get off our duff’s and make it happen. But… we still go to Whole Foods once in awhile or Sam’s. I’m not set up to grow my own meat (although we did when I was a kid), and I can’t eat my wife’s chickens… that would truly be TEOTWAWKI for me!! :)

  22. Tangible assets short & long term:
    Water (including storage & carry containers & purifiers)
    Food (cheapie hand can openers will be like gold)
    Matches & other fire starters
    Reference books (gardening, fishing, 1st aid, etc…)
    1st Aid Items (from meds to aspirin to wound care incl natural )
    Flashlights/Lanterns/Other light sources + batteries/fuel (again – gold)
    Cooking materials including fuel, pans, utensils –
    Agriculture: gardens & fruit trees, manual tools, seeds for long term
    Needles & thread
    Radio – news/communication would be very helpful if available
    Weapons for protection and hunting
    Multi-purpose hand-tool for every imaginable use
    Bleach, soap, toothbrush & paste – cleaners & hygiene materials

    Plus the intangible: the will and belief you can and will survive. I read the book Survivor’s Club years ago, and it gives so many examples of people who survived through unbelievable circumstances because they did not freeze, or panic, or give up. They chose to fight, to survive… it’s not tangible but I believe every bit as important as all the tools & supplies in the world.

  23. Items not mentioned

    Grey tape
    WIRE of assorted gauges
    Paper Maps of surrounding states or updated Atlas of the United States.

  24. I meant 8 foot and 10 foot chains. Not 8 or 10 inches. Sorry.

    Also, forgot… Man… It’s amazing all the things you can think of that you use around the garden every day or week.

    A good post hole digger

    A post driver and a hard hat. I almost killed myself with a driver once, now I wear a hard hat when I drive tomato stakes. When you set out 80 or 90 tomato plants, that’s a lot of T-posts to drive

    A wheel barrow. (a couple if you can afford it)

    Several rolls of 4 foot chicken wire to protect your gardens from the chickens. Get enough to build a short fence around all your garden plots wherever your chickens roam.

    A couple sledge hammers. 8 pound and a 16 pound mall for the heavy stuff.

    I till in a lot of compost, and composted manure and use a lot of leaves, grass clippings, pine needles and hay for mulching the middle of my rows as well as around the plants but I also side dress some of my vegetables with fertilizers like 8-8-8, 8-24-24, and 13-13-13. So to prepare for TEOTWAWKI I would recommend stocking up on at least a couple bags of each. I know some folks will balk at this but what the hey… I don’t use pesticides or herbicides so I’m only 3/4 organic and besides, my vegetables have to eat too and they love the 8-8-8. Just don’t over do it!!! A teaspoon of 8-8-8 around cabbage plants a month after they have been set out does wonders. Same with Tomatoes. Potatoes like 8-24-24 and bone meal.

    I would also stock up on and have at least 2 bags on hand of each of these: Elemental Sulfur, Bone Meal, Agricultural Lime, Crushed volcanic rock, Blood meal, and several buckets of hard wood ashes (I make the ashes myself.) I put a VERY LIGHT sprinkling of these and till them in the ground before planting select vegetables (select means I don’t put sulfur on everything and I don’t lime everything.) Sulfur, lime and volcanic dust at least 4-6 months before planting. Hardwood ashes, bone meal and blood meal within a week before or during planting/transplanting. I know, I know… but spare me the argument about screwing up the PH of my soil. It would take ten times more of this stuff than I put down to move the PH one decimal point one way or the other. So far I haven’t had a problem and generally get nice yields.

  25. Water, lots of water
    Health items, alcohol, peroxide, fleet enemas, first aid supplies, Imodium.
    Food, weapons, ammo, of course.
    Tools, skills, small parts, screws, nails, tapes, wire, staples, bolts, nuts.
    Books, reference manuals, batteries, bulbs, lanterns, fuel.
    Too many things to list.
    Friends you can count on!

  26. Rope, string, extra shoe/bootlaces.
    Assortment of nails, screws and fasteners.
    Perforated plumbing strap. Tie wire. Zip ties.

  27. Salt
    Vinegar
    Sugar
    Honey
    Pepper
    Wheat, wheat, wheat
    Clorine tabs
    Matches (books or boxes by the box double sealed in vacuum bags)

  28. Lots of good ideas on these lists. How about adding some adult beverages. They may be worth their weight in gold for barter. Speaking of gold, junk silver would probably be more useful as a unit of trade value, but copper jacketed lead might be even more valuable and useful.

  29. I’ve thought about this before, and anything powered will become useless eventually.
    So I based tangible items to times before, electricity or the internal combustion power plants. Maybe steam, but mostly before that.
    So a reference library
    Basic tools, for building, wood working, Gardening and crops.
    Water purification and storage.
    Food preservation, canning, dehydration, ect
    Basically pre mechanical revolution era.

  30. WOW , this subject can work the wrinkles out of your brain . We plan for worst case scenario of a long term electrical outage and or a martial law situation , hopefully neither will occur .
    I’ll focus on water . Without water we are toast . We bought acreage on a year round stream , and found a year round spring on the property and we have a good well and Berkey , if needed . We also store some 5 gallon jugs . Water is the key one for us so that we can grow the garden and provide for us as well .
    We have extra buckets , jugs, jars and wheelbarrows to haul water if needed . Lots of bleach , extra piping & fittings , hose clamps, garden hoses ,hose fittings , whatever it takes to get water from the stream/spring to the garden and house .
    A ram pump is in the future , it works well and no power required to operate it. We also plan for a small reservoir .
    We are building a good reference library ( REAL BOOKS ) . Each facet of self reliance has many items to consider .
    As a side note I have found that Crown Royal mixed in water seems to purify it some as it is consumed at the end of a long hard day .

  31. When my dad passed away in 2003, my mother asked what of his I would like to have. My dad was a reader. Lot’s of book of the month club memberships. I told her all I wanted was the books. Now I have hundreds of books in boxes in storage. My goal is to hopefully create a lending library for my local community in a post collapse scenario. I think we covered the survival tools, so I shared this as a way to think about what items we have to make us useful to our post SHTF communities. Luckily I live in an area that is mostly farmers with lots of guns. I am hoping that puts me in a situation where my community gets spared devastation.

  32. I am beginning to think that the lights will not go out all of a sudden. The economic game being played around the world can keep things afloat for many years. I therefore see a gradual decline in our standard of living – being squeezed ever more, stress, riots, crime, hate, etc. So I am gearing for a gradual reduction in the selection of goods from fewer sources with less oversight regarding safety – especially in food. I also see a increased push for consumption by low or negative interest rates, planned obsolescence particularly in mechanized items like vehicles – no hope of self-repairs. Adjusting gradually is doable for me but going back 200 years to that lifestyle is not possible for any of us. That self-sufficient village no longer exists.

    1. I have to add that I am fairly prepped with the exception of a fully stocked bunker to sustain life for many years – if you could call that life. But acquiring prep stuff is fun and does add some peace of mind.

    2. I don’t think going back to “state of the art” 200 years ago (1800AD) is far enough. 1800 was the beginning of the Industrial age. 1700 is likely the most recent era to aim for.

      So assets that were valuable in that era would be those things used to make other things – basic hand tools, implements & the knowledge to use them to fashion and provide the necessities of life. And you’ll need to be in an area with others of like mind, and FAR away from the mentality of modern cities.
      And I think it is definitely possible. You just need to first grasp the insanity of what we have allowed our present civilization to become.

      Freedom was never free. Everyone have not always been winners. Things, and people- die. And tomorrow the sun will rise again.

    3. I think the lights will go out–eventually. Not sure it will happen in the near future. Increasing chaos (economic and social) until TPTB can no longer fool anyone into thinking everything’s great. How long that will take is anyone’s guess. Once that happens, unless there’s a reset in the meantime, it will be lights out. Instant chaos. There’ll be some event that triggers it, but when the people have had enough the world will crumble.

      And I do mean the world. It won’t be limited to the US or the western hemisphere as some people like to think. It will hit everyone, everywhere, and billions will die. I’m not sure if TPTB will orchestrate it–many people have said that their “ideal” population would be about 200 million, and they’re working toward that, using war, genocide, and abortion as their tools–but they will certainly think they’re ready when it happens. I don’t think they will be.

      I always wonder about those who smile when they talk about 9 billion + dying to achieve their “perfect” world. Do they honestly think that they’ll be part of the select few who are saved? Idiots.

      1. It was very upsetting when I learned my aunt and sister, her husband and 2 kids are some of those people who support the death of millions to make the population smaller, but it was okay for them to breed and increase the population. They do not prep, and will be the first to go when SHTF, fulfilling their own demise what they wanted to happen to others.

        1. @ Stardust
          Don’t feel alone in your sorrow, 80% of my family live in Portland OR with rose colored liberal glasses on, another religious fanatic brother and wife live in SoCal, none prep or even want to hear of it.
          People make their own choices and there is nada I or anyone else can do about it, unfortunately. It will be a sad day indeed. I just hope we, the preppers, are the ones that are wrong and we all will die of old age with our skills and “stuff” still unused.
          NRP

        2. Selective breeding, euthanasia of “undesirables” and sterilization are all on the menu from what I’ve read. So those who consider themselves to have good genes can of course (by this philosophy) have as many kids as they want. I seriously doubt they’ve thought out the implications.

          1. Hmmm, makes me wonder about all the testing they do in the schools, SAT, AP, GRE and GMAT test…weeding out for the future of mankind? Sometimes, when I talk to the kids, they worry, I used to tell them not to stress about it and they wondered why. I told them that I have the sinking feeling that all this testing has a bigger more important issue for humanity by TPTB…

        3. Stardust, my own parents and sibling are a prime example of brainwashing and Mao would be soooooo proud of them. I can not trust my own parents and sibling. They would and will sell us out on the first ring to save their asses out to the camps. So, be yourself and have faith in yourself. Don’t let the sorrow get to you. I felt the same about my own folks, but shook myself out of it eventually.

      2. Lauren, just think about their toombs…heeeheee… I rather see the sun at day, and stars in the night :)

    4. Homebody, cheer up! Going back to that lifestyle of the 1700’s-1800’s IS possible for some of us who had the motivation to learn old skills before TEOFWAWKI happened, to learn new ones, teach others, use them and thrive. Once most of the violence of the crazed is over, groups who survive will be looking for trade with other communities. Our early transportation was on foot, with horses and cattle, dogs with travois, and boats/canoes on river ways.

      An old generator, a fan belt, and a paddle wheel can be made to generate electricity from a stream or river. The sun won’t be gone, so solar power can be used, like wind power. We have advantages of the 21st century being thrown into the 18th century that those at that time period never had. I don’t believe the survivors will sit in a corner and just die. Necessity is the mother of invention and we who are left will move on…and I hope you can be a part of it. :-)

        1. You can find one researching through Google. and “The Boonies” showed how the cave dweller made one for his cave from a creek a couple weeks ago.

  33. While people are prepping for TEOTWAWKI here I am prepping for several things that are more likely to happen. We have a long supply line here (3,000 miles) and in January I saw what happened when one of two of our supply ships broke down for two weeks. Then we had a 7.1 earthquake in the same month. So I have that staring at me so:
    Large food supply
    Water source
    Ability to protect it (not just traditional but force multipliers)
    Ability to grow and preserve food (both animal & Vegetable)
    Cooking source
    Long heat source (8 months of winter)
    Lighting (6 hours of daylight in the winter)
    Communication
    Clothing
    Blankets
    Rescue Equipment
    Axes, Saws, Pulleys, Rope, Blocks & Tackle, Come-A Longs
    Chain Saws, Pry Bars, Digging Tools (note everything is plural)
    Fire Hose, Hydrant Wrench & adapter
    First Aid supplies
    Books, games, writing supplies
    Mechanic Tools
    Nails, Screws, Bolts & Hardware
    Spiritual Material
    First plan for what is the most likely to happen right now in your area then move in circles outward the next most likely and so on. As your circles get larger the list of items you need will also get larger.

  34. As for firearms, try to keep your groups weapons the same caliber ready, learn to reload ammo, learn to cast your own bullets, even if you have to use old lead out of vehicle batteries. Drain them into some type of plastic receptacle, then wash the acid off of the lead, have bullet molds for casting, have lube for the bullets old candles can even be used if that is all you have. Stock pile brass, powder and primers, be just as careful after the SHTF as you are now reloading even more so.

    Keep your firearms clean and lived because there is no telling how long you will have to depend on them. If you use an auto rifle or handgun keep a few magazines loaded and ready, this is just my opinion but I would not trade or barter ammo or firearms because that might be used against you!

    Another thing would be that you always go armed unless you are bathing or swimming but have a firearm close by! Be prepared and ready. Keep your powder dry.

  35. Coffee and several means to make it
    Good socks and shoes/boots of all types
    Work gloves and cold weather gloves/hats
    Toothbrushes/floss/mouthwash
    Fingernail/Toenail clippers/scissors
    Buckets of all kinds
    These are some I would add along with all those previously listed.

    1. Vercin,

      I dread the day without coffee…talk about me becoming cranky, irritated, worst case scenario for everyone…especially the unwanted marauding masses…Sigh, I feel sorry for them ( had to put a bit of sarcasm here, but truth is, no coffee for me, oh may, I am in trouble :)

      1. What makes coffee so addictive is caffeine. IF you use tea or Yaupon Holly leaves (found native in the US), it will contain this ingredient. The confederates used chicory root as a substitute, as I had it before..tastes more like coffee but caffeine has to be added. If you can’t find caffine, stock up on aspirin for the headaches to come!

      2. Forgot to mention, Yaupon grows wild in East Texas, and is making a comeback from Native American times when it was traded as far as Cahokia Mounds in Illinois, it is that good tasting.

        1. Stardust, thanks, did not know about that…going online to check it out…(unless I get a lot of freeze dried coffee and put in mylar bags)…I think 50 pounds should be enough to wean me off the coffee…yep, the head aches are the worst…

      3. You can wean yourself off of caffeine. Having worked 25 years on the night shift I know a lot about coffee. We used to have 2 or 3 a night and that would be the average for a crew of 3. That 2 or 3 would be 12 cup pots not cups. Yep drank a hell of a lot of coffee over the years. Now I drink one cup a day and some days none. It can be done.

        The bonus to weaning now is that when you need the caffeine stimulus it’s a lot more stimulating when you’re not use to it. Easiest way is to start using instant coffee. I know the connoisseurs among us will sneer at instant coffee but if it was all you had after the freshly roasted and ground beans were gone you would be happy to get it. Just my thoughts on the matter. Weaning now is easier than going cold turkey later.

  36. I have a spread sheet where I keep track of everything I got, how much and what else is need to be bought and from where. That includes prices. For the prices, I usually round up but factor in at least 20 percent uptick in a prices within six months. That keeps it more real for me when it comes to budgeting.
    I plan to go to Ikea in the next few weeks and stock up on storage stuff. Will take me half a day to drive there, but the prices on what I need are unbeatable for me.

    If I printed out the spread sheet, I would have a at least a dozen.
    What I also did is, print regional maps, topos, gardening, water, wind maps, road maps, Morse code, military installations, and spare sheets of paper with a pen which can write in every environment and put all that with document protectors in a plastic folder. We all have one of each plus couple of spares. These go into our individual bags which have the tools, food, water purification, means to cook, fire making, clothes, spares shoes and socks and our IFAKs (individual first aid kit) plus medication.

  37. The 1 most important asset to possess. Without it, you will not make it, no matter how prepped you are.
    THE WILL TO SURVIVE!

  38. Water – and ways to purify

    Seeds – and know how to grow them, and when. SqFt Garden, compost etc

    Livestock – Dual purpose Chickens and Cows Etc.

    Sturdy Shelter

    Fire – Learn how to make it different ways.

    Hunting/trapping/snaring and Fishing skills and equipment. Save fish heads for your garden.

    Transportation – Bikes, boats, wagons, carts.

    Salt, Vinegar, Sweeteners, Learn to make yeast and vinegar.

    Petroleum – Learn how to extract oils from trees etc.

    Carbon Steel Knives. Cast iron cookware, heavy stainless utensils.

    Containers – mason jars, buckets, garbage bags, lids, canners.

    Mechanical clock – Grandfather clock, or even a wind up watch. Or, anything in between. Print out a perpetual calendar. Learn moon phases for gardening.

    Skills – woodworking, metal forging.

    Skills – Cooking from your preserved food and stored food.
    ——— 1000 sq ft grows approx 40 to 50 lbs of wheat which comes out to approximately 20~25 loaves of bread. But, if you use all the berries, you have nothing to plant for the next season. 1 acre will give you enough for a year, and enough to have berries for the following year and some for trade/barter. Potatoes — you get more per acre. But, you can’t grow potatoes in the same dirt year after year.

    Tobacco, Coffee and Alcohol. Learn to grow and dry tobacco leaves. Learn how to brew beer and make wine. Learn how to roast green coffee beans. Buy in bulk and store at room temperature until you are ready to roast.

    Over the Counter meds. Learn how to make pain reliever from willow trees.

    Learn about the nuts from trees in your area, and how to use them.

    Start an orchard with apples, pears, cherries, peaches, plums, etc.
    Berry bushes and trees etc. Strawberries, blackberries, Learn about Red Olive Berries.

    Outhouse

    Water catchment system from rain

    Wound care – Do not get an infection!

    Fasteners – nails, screws, cordage, learn to make glue from trees.

    Pottery – No one mentions how to make pottery. Take a ceramics class so you can make trays, pots, plates, bowls etc.

    Sewing – mending clothing, make clothing. Learn how to waterproof with beeswax and oils.

    Entertainment – non electronic games… cards, etc.

    Herbs for tinctures, salves, etc. Learn to make soap.

    Borax, Baking soda, Epsom salt, peroxide (removes blood from fabric), deodorant cleaning supplies and personal grooming. Bulk toothbrushes.

    Oil/kerosene lamps, wicks, chimneys, and fuel for them (learn how to make fuel from birch trees). Candles.

    OSPEC – Mirrors for looking around corners.

    Of course, ammo, guns etc. we ALL know this.

    Hand tools of ALL types. Shovels big and small, rakes, pry bars, drills and bits, saws, chisels, wrenches, socket set, files, rasps, clamps. Tie down straps, duct tape, zip ties, again – cordage.

    Pet food? Will they fend for themselves? Will they be pets? or will they be working livestock? Mousers? guard dogs? Are they worth the risk?

    Worm farm. Learn about BOKASHI

    indoor and outdoor Woodstove for cooking and heat.

    55 gallon drums, plastic and metal.

    Pulleys, belts, solar panels, wind power, pedal power.
    Learn to use alternator and pulleys with belts to generate power by wind, and pedaling.

    Plunger and bucket for washing clothes.

    Brass, copper, nickel, silver, and if you can afford it… gold.
    You can always melt down the copper etc…

    Communications – radios – low voltage for listening.
    Some 2 way radios only use 3.7v of power to run them.
    Low consumption power supplies for say… 5volt usb devices. Solar will charge them in a day or so.

    Plastic sheeting for green house/hoop houses, blocking off rooms.

    Brooms, mops, old t-shirts for cleaning rags. – I will not have carpet in my home… How would you clean it properly?

    Education. Learn as many skills as you can, and practice them.
    Pick out 52 skills…. learn one a week. So many things to learn.
    How to cut wood with hand tools. How to make butter. How to sprout seeds. How to make wine. How to preserve veggies. How to change a bicycle inner tube. How to grease up a set of bearings for a wheel, or hub. How to make oil from birch bark. How to make pine pitch. How to harvest honey. How to process a chicken from the flock to your dinner table. How to wash clothes by hand. How to cook from your storage stocks. How to replace a wick in an oil lamp. How to wrap a wound. Learn how to lay bricks and cinder blocks.
    Learn how to replace an alternator or starter, change your oil in your car (So easy). Jump start a vehicle. Learn how to ride a small motorcycle (Dirtbike – easy to maneuver). Learn how to make a garden plow out of an old bike. Make a cart from a bike and some wood/pvc. Learn how to use pallets for useful projects.

    There is so much that we could all learn and do. We all take a lot for granted. So many people just say “Well… I’ll buy it” but, what if you can’t? I realize this is what prepping is about, but, so many people just don’t get it….

    Teach a kid how to grow a garden, how to fix a flat tire, and how to set up a small raised garden bed out of pallets. Let them hammer the nails, or drill the holes and put the screws in…. at least a couple of times. Let them learn how sockets and wrenches work at a young age. Buy them a plastic model car or an invisible engine or invisible person, and let them assemble it. Snap-tite models need NO glue. Maybe they have great mechanical skills, and great dexterity! Find an old bike, and have them help you fix it up. Let them choose the paint color – teach them how to sand off the paint and repaint it. If you haven’t done it… do it together as a learning project. That could be one of the 52 projects for a week. Make a sun dial.

    Books of all types. How to’s. DIY’s.
    B-asic
    I-nstructions
    B-efore
    L-eaving
    E-arth

    The most important… a BIBLE. The questions, answers and teachings are all there.
    ~

    1. Impressive list.. and I thought I was prepared. BTW, I also bought sand bags
      I hear they slow down bullets. I need to get sand eventually but I think there is still time. If worse comes to worse, I live near the beach. Anyone know where I might get fiberglass waterproof containers to bury cached items?
      How about the best place to purchase a bullet proof vest for a female civilian?

      1. PP,

        I would recommend that you go first on the GSA website ( gsaadvantage.gov yes, it is with the two “a”. Then input in search for bullet proof vest. It will show everything the gov offers to the agencies. Click on the item and read the specifications. I prefer at least a level 3 under the NIJ regs. There will be info on who the vendor is. Remember, even when you go to the vendor site, some vests are not allowed to be sold to the public. Military surplus stores are a great first check to go and see what they have.

      2. I would recommend 6 inch pvc piping its cheap and plentiful for caching. As for a vest… my advice would be not to bother unless you are planning an assault… that is just a good way to make yourself a target, besides have you ever tried to do anything with a vest on? How about with a rifle slung over your shoulder while in said vest?

        1. Nope never have.. But I had a friend die in a terrorist attack
          in NYC. Someone set off a bomb in a cafe. I figure have a vest
          under my sweatshirt might just save me if someone starts shooting.

  39. WATER (3 days)
    > Big Berkey water tank/filter
    > large coffee filters
    > Several 50+ gallon water barrels
    > Rain barrel with at least part of the homes roof lined with rain gutters.
    >Pool Shock, 1 lb bags. For personal use and trade.
    > Regular household bleach
    > StoveTec Stainless Steel Water Pasteurizer
    Various 1 gal & 5 gal plastic water containers for temporary storage, water transport and chemical mixing/solution storage.
    >Several dozen clear plastic water bottles, 12 to 32 ounces with lids.

  40. As I do not hold out much hope for most of the populations of this earth. Most will not survive what is coming, but I do believe there are some in this room that can make it – live like Grizzly Adams. Cities may go on but will look like barter town. What we add to our lists now should include location, skill, and luck.

  41. A firearm, ammo and the hardened resolve that at some point your preps will run out and you will need to find more and you may have to resort to violence. It is very difficult to be an island, things may go well for a little while but eventually ships land or supplies run low and you have to move on or out.

    Food for thought…

    1. So you are saying that if I prep better than you, and you run out, then you will come gunning for my supplies? And you want to know why I want a vest?!?!? I assume you are in Texas..Glad I am not.

        1. Yeah, I read that book… scary stuff. Just didn’t think anyone would admit to it on this website. Especially as many here profess to read the Bible and therefore probably subscribe to its teachings.

          1. @ PerpperPam
            Are you kidding me???? OSA is the book 99% of us suggest to sheeple. I know it kicked me in the azz to finish what I needed. So YES a very VERY good read
            NRP

      1. PP,

        TexasLurker is kind of right. I see where he is coming from. To have a vest is great, BUT, it can and is very limiting to move around, especially if you carry more then your sweater. Being a female has its own issues, I shall know, I wore them. As much as I love them, these things are heavy, and I prefer to be very agile, which is more likely to save my life.

        We are here many who come from different walks of life, but I can tell you that circumstances like SHTF are brutal on your soul and mental state. No, talking and reading about is one thing, having had experience it, is another thing.

        Also, here is a different scenario: let’s say I am bad person, I see you, observe you how you walk (believe me, with my training behind me all these years people who were them have a different way of moving around) move around, where you glance, little things like that. And I also see the outlines of your vest. My interest in you: well, I want your vest.

        So, you know what I would do, I would not shoot at you, I would take out your ankles, your shoulders, any of your joints, to make you immobile. Boom, I got your vest with no holes, you are bleeding out and I walk away. Faith in God is one thing, but the surroundings at the moment are another. Anyone who has ever had a mission to target and take out someone, knowing or assuming they wear a vest, will not shoot at the body portion covered. They go for a head shot.

        I have a lot of faith and don’t let it go away, but I am no fool relaying just on it. What gives you away that you wear a vest is the really straight back. All of us humans have a curvature in our back no matter how straight we carry ourselves.

        Food for thought :))

      2. PrepperPam The point being even the sheepdog has to eat, the mindset has to be survive 1st, Cortez the explorer summed it up no civilization is more then 30 days from Cannibalism, pretty rough, but the truth is Ideals are peaceful, history is violent, NRP, Ken and others have tried to get that point across, we think in the now, that will be a death warrant for a reset situation. There is a book “Jack Hinson’s one man war” true story about a Southern man who tried to be neutral during the civil was was a friend with General Grant until the union troops killed his two sons cut off their heads and made him and his family watch as the heads were stuck on the front gate posts. In times of strife life is the cheapest commodity, and we all had better wake up and smell the thorns.

    2. Oh and one additional comment. Do you believe in God? Do you believe he gave his prophet the Ten Commandments which include Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, Thou shalt not kill… which I believe should be translated “murder” and does not mean we can not defend ourselves with deadly force if attacked.

      And do you believe in Hell? I do believe that there is divine justice and I do believe that not all of it is administered on this side of the grave..So ya might want to do a better job of planning..like learning to grow stuff and raise livestock. Because if ya run into someone who is really good at praying, ya might find that you are on the wrong end of a gun yourself. Just saying…. Ya might want to think about your plan and revise it.

      1. What if I told you that when we die, our souls are a floating almost neon blue ball of energy and we are in a state moving around in dimensions most can not see or wrap their minds our because our physical bodies can only sense a two or three dimensional reality?

          1. Stardust, what color was yours? Mine was bluish with a purple around it… I saw it the moment my husband died. I am just very curious….

      2. PrepperPam one last point, the correct Greek translation of the Commandment is not that ‘thou shall not kill’ it is ‘thou shall not murder’, killing in self defense etc, was and is supported even by Jesus when he gave the instruction to I believe it was Peter that those who have no sword should sell their garment and buy one. There will be many who will fall and die because they believe in ideals over life. Pray for the rapture, but you better prepare for reality of what is coming it will not happen according or in agreement with what we say it is.

  42. Don’t forget FAITH!!! It worked for a certain group way back when for at least 40 years…

    1. I do have faith and have experienced what Christians call miracles and I know others who have as well. So it more than faith for me.. it’s convictions based on actual experiences.

      1. I said location, skills and luck – I guess I should have included faith – besides the good book you might like Alas Babylon.

  43. I have a question. What would happen if you own a house and there is a power grid failure… You can’t make your mortgage payments, can’t go to work, can’t access money. If this outage goes on for a long time will (someone) be able to take your house away/foreclose? Don’t know if we would have to prepare to be on the street or to protect the home.

    1. In our western lifestyle, when the lights go out even the financial system stops. Most houses would only be good for firewood because they perform very few functions for survival.

    2. The financial system stops, yes, but there is every indication that if the lights went back on again all those payments would then be considered “overdue.” The computers don’t CARE, they’re set on an atomic clock and as long as their programming comes up they’d start sending out overdue notices and foreclosure proceedings. The mess would take years to clean up.

    3. @ Jade
      Honestly, I would not worry so much, after all what are the “banks” going to do with 200 MILLION homes. They WILL be working with anyone/everyone to start “payments” again…… Now Taxes on the other hand…..
      NRP

      1. It is now playing out in many US cities where a large percentage of houses stand empty and are deteriorating. Some municipalities are demolishing houses but the banks do not seem to be able to manage the problem. Perhaps the future of the country can be seen in these microcosms. Add land to your list if at all possible.

  44. I work maintenance and feel this is an often overlooked issue. I know you can not have everything you need, but without basics to perform routine/preventative maintenance and repairs.. a loose or broken bolt could take away a needed item for survival.

    Do you have a basic set of tools – wrenches, screw drivers, hammers, pliers, hack saw, vice, pipe wrenches, etc.?

    Do you have basic hardware – nails, bolts/nuts, screws, string, cord, rope, wire, electrical wire, wood glue, lumber, light bulbs,

    Granted, being part of a strong community, means not everyone would need a full set of tools, hardware and supplies, but my point is, you can not tighten or remove a bolt with your bare hands.. We live in a mechanical world and we have to factor in the maintenance of these tools that help us survive and thrive.

    Replacement parts or critical items… spark plugs/ wires, motor oil/ air filters,

  45. We have just seen the last shoe repair shop close in this area – if you look at every skill needed for survival like shoe making, no one family can cover all the bases. The lists are endless and can only frustrate many until a village approach can be set up.

  46. Part of my daily routine:

    -Look at everything I use that has an AC power cord. Then identify a way to accomplish the same effort without that thing.

    -Understand WHY I am going to a ‘store’. Then try to figure out why don’t I have what I need? How can I accomplish this effort another way.

    -For every meal try to come up with a way to make it with what I have in stores.

    And, why do I ‘need’ the city to provide ANYTHING?

    I keep a spiral bound note pad in my pocket. I constantly make entries questioning why I can’t do something or why what needs to be done can’t be done with what I have. The goal is to answer each and cross them off. I started this with a dry-erase board. Couldn’t find one big enough. Had to go to note pads. Almost back to the board.

    I am now down to three unanswered entries. One requires an investment of $5K or more. (Not much of a chance ‘fixing’ that one.) One needs about a week of constant effort. (A maybe.) The third…..well…..if I get off my lazy butt maybe it’ll have a chance of that one disappearing.

    And, Jade….think about it. If ‘the grid’ fails……it fails for everybody. The people you make a payment to…..their power is gone too. Their computers are dumb….and off. Don’t worry about it. Put a check in the mail and sit back, have a cold-ish one. I guarantee you that there won’t be anybody knocking on your door if the power is gone. If somebody does come a knockin’ on yer door…..it ain’t gonna be a banker type. (OBTW….a banker ‘friend’ said to get a hard copy of EACH MONTHS bank statement. That way you have a printed record…..from the bank……of what you had and when. Otherwise they WILL sit back and say “Can you prove you had that much?”)

    Myself…..maintenance types are going to be the next ‘billionaires’. If you can fix something…..with no power…..you have a following. Remember to take something usable for payment. Not a credit card. And make sure nothing will catch up with you later. LOL

    AND…..no power…..no IRS. How Sweet It Is!!!!

    NRP….how close to Shiprock are you? I’ll honk on my way SE when the big commode handle gets flipped. Me, my trailer, and a big ol’ KMA grin.

  47. Everybody has covered almost everything that you need to see you through..But entertainment is also important in the long haul..We are so dependant on iphones, computers, TV, video games,etc..It will get real boring really fast without all these forms of entertainment. They are not necessary for survival, but will make times a lot easier. I don’t give books and magazines away anymore. We are also keeping a supply of games. Cards, board games,chess, etc. We have 4 or 5 tvs along with that many dvd players. I have a solar array to charge my battery bank to power the electronics. I record every movie I watch, along with thousands of hours of shows like MASH, Friends, Sienfeld,, Rifleman, Bonanza, NCIS,. Something for everyone in the family. It is not a neccessity, but it does not take that much effort to make life easier.

  48. It is important to keep your teeth in good shape..Last thing you need is a toothache and no dentist around to help..Can turn into a big problem .

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