During the time period of a social societal collapse (or following a collapse), law and order as we once knew it will break down to varying extents – or completely. Some, most, or all of us may be living WROL (Without Rule Of Law), the extent of which may depend on where you live.
During this time of chaos, an individual will have rights only as long as he or she can defend them.
A devastating social collapse will smash your preconception of safety & security.
This is the subtle logic of violence: Your rights will only be those you can defend.
Accepting WROL
Most people may feel uncomfortable with this notion. However it’s something that you might inevitably face under collapse conditions. It’s best to understand this and prepare (personal and home security) as necessary.
Most people have never had to defend themselves or their property. It will be difficult to grasp, understand, or accept the logic of violence. Criminals on the other hand, understand it fully.
Presently we are living through a time of upheaval. A society that is quite visibly decaying into something less than orderly.
[ Read: The 2020 Powder Keg ]
While criminals are generally held in check by the police and justice system, there are obvious changes taking place before our eyes. Parts of the country are essentially WROL already… thanks to far-leftists mayors and governors allowing it to happen.
The Criminal Element Unleashed
It feels like we have been, and are being divided in irreconcilable ways that have become a danger to our societal fabric. There are organized and very well funded groups who are loudly proclaiming that they will be attacking us (physically) as they continue their attempted ‘take down’ of America as we once knew it. For those of you who’ve been following along, you know the groups whom I speak of (and those who are behind them – supporting them).
[ Read: “Brownshirt” Bullies of the New Left ]
Following a major social collapse, the criminal element will be unleashed while the police become overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of it all (or stand-down due to orders from the mayor or governor – which we’ve already seen happen). The Police will also be like the rest of us: concerned for their own security, their own families, their own homes and property… At some point they will stay home and defend their own.
Collapse will be worst in the cities (where martial law may be declared).
[ Read: What Would Happen If Martial Law Is Declared ]
[ Read: Martial Law: Could It Happen Here? ]
The suburbs will see it too. Just not at first. Rural? Eventually no one will be unaffected under such a scenario.
Your Rights Will Only Be Those Which You Can Defend
If and until order is restored,
your rights will consist of those which you can personally defend.
Defending your rights under social collapse conditions may result in physical threats to your person, your home or your property. It may lead to engagement of force, violence, or any actions thereof. It’s not a pleasant thought for most people who are used to an orderly and relatively safe & secure society.
But when law enforcement is thinned or not present, a vacuum is created. And the criminally minded (and/or opportunists) will fill that vacuum.
Most people don’t have much, if any, experience with defending themselves against violence. Many or most people probably have not given serious thought to the circumstances of a major social collapse and the ensuing reality of having to defend one’s rights for real. Most people think it can’t happen…
The thing is, it has happened before, it is presently happening in some places around our own nation, and it may even happen in your neighborhood one day.
If you are reading this, then I hope you will at least think about it, and the things you might do to prepare for such a time. Don’t get stuck in normalcy bias. If you’ve thought it through, you will be less shocked and more prepared if and when it happens.
I’m not to sure who is more criminal…thugs or our own government. Watch out for both.
The leftist mayors and governors that allow it to happen need to be tarred and feathered on the public squares. I feel that they are ultimately responsible for the damage and deaths that resulted. Protesting is absolutely protected speech, however when it devolves into lawless rioting, it should be stopped in it’s tracks. Full stop. No exceptions.
Politicians will always appease. Don’t waste your energy on them. You have to almost beat on them to do something right. Organize and prepare. Our enemies have been busy bees for years. The disintegration has started and is accelerating. Plan accordingly.
yeah i agree and there aint a damn thing anyone can do but pray and hold on all we can do either bug out to what we HOPE is someplace safer or bug in and hope and pray for the best either way this is gonna get very bloody very quickly
I’m old and I’m as ready as I can be. Let em bring it.
A color revolution per the CIA handbook is designed to do a semi-controlled collapse of the system as to have something left for the “Victors” to take power over.
Why did I say that? You will notice that the CHAZ or CHOP controlled area of Seattle was a “Summer of Love” as described by the Mayor UNTIL one of her socialist councilmembers went rogue and led them to threaten to take over the Mayors several Million Dollar Home. Then on the Mayors orders the Praetorians of the Seattle Police stopped that and shut down CHOP. The Mayor was obeyed by her Police because SHE held the power of paycheck-pension and healthcare of the police. So when the Mobs stop acting under their orders the Liberals’ will use their Praetorians to reestablish their power. Same thing happened in Portland OR the training ground of Antifa when they decided to set up THEIR own Automatous Zone in Portland Mayors neighborhood. A swift police knock out there also.
No offence intended for honest policemen as they are often stuck between a rock and a hard place. Their families need that paycheck and healthcare. I understand that. I also understand they are under siege by violent people who are taking advantage of the situation to act out against the “evil Policemen”. It’s a no win situation, unless your under the political protection of the Mayor as the praetorian guard.
Atlanta’s Mayor is simply waiting out the “Blue Flu” and deciding what police are worthy of being her Praetorians. A paycheck is a strong incentive. I notice that the violence of the agitators was turned off in Atlanta as they didn’t take full advantage of the “Blue Flu” to do even more of that chanted “Burn it ALL down”. More “Normal” crime but no Paid For rioting Mob agitators fighting for “George”…
That’s why folks that Defend themselves are Prosecuted by Liberal DA’s to keep their paid for Antifa-BLM mob agitators protected, while forcing Police to stand down against the troublemakers and or catch and release as they did earlier last year.
I described the “Make it STOP” campaign some time ago here on MSB. This “Controlled” rioters are to create enough damage and fear until Joe 6 pack will Vote for ANYBODY that can “Make it STOP. The semi-secret war inside our government has gotten hotter and you and I are going to suffer the most. I’d like to be wrong but so far the CIA handbook is moving along with destroying our history and internet memory holing anything that might damage the “Cause”. Orville’s 1984 is in action the past must be erased-rewritten so the “Party” is always right. I’m frankly surprised Fahrenheit 451 and actual book burning hasn’t happened yet to keep those contra-revolutionary books out of the hands of the people. But given over the past decade libraries have yard sale’d most of their “Old Books” and eliminated “Offensive” ones that might be a moot point.
Notice the concerted effort of Big Tech (cough GOOGLE, Fakebook) to discredit via trolls and otherwise shut down “Bad Think” sites like MSB and such.
The violence of the mobs, Antifa and such is a real problem for you and I. The real problem is we are under a Color Revolution between parts of our government and the Deep State-Russia Gate actors do not want to go to trial and prison.
Take advantage of any lull in the troubles to prepare even more. Civilians always suffer more than the soldiers (uniformed and covert) in a internal power struggle.
On Independence Day a group of “peaceful protestors” fully armed of more than 100 black militia stormed Stone Mountain GA. making threats to all white motorist. The police (and the MSM) were no where to be found. Find the video and check it out and if you live here you’ll be like me; buying ammo.
This “Revolution of the Headless Bodies” you see about you, has been meticulously orchestrated over the past several years, by the calm, calculated, authoring of deliberately irrational philosophical poisons, which was then injected it into the unfocused and tenacious minds of the dim and ignorant majority. None of what you are witnessing is spontaneous.
Humanity has been deliberately prepared for the coming slaughter, many of you now sense is almost upon us. But none have been more prepped for oblivion than the intellectual cripples…the defective mentalities…whose minds have been mutilated to the point they can now longer identify, or recognize, Existence.
To such creatures, Reason is evil, and Logic is only a tool, used by immoral people, to suppress them…and their desires. Therefore, all attempts to communicate with them become impossible. And, thus…force becomes their argument, as they have no other way to defend the way they have been made to feel.
Thinking is hard. Doubt causes unease and mental discomfort. Truth can be determined by how one feels about it. Individualism is lonely. Words only express the emotions behind them and nothing immutable. Identity is too rigid. Existence is illusion. No one can be certain of anything. Knowledge is impossible. Success is unfair. Ability is a crime. Racism cannot be denied and cannot be eliminated. Whether a person is, or is not, racist..is determined by the Race of that person.
We all die, get over it. Death is not to be avoided by abandoning every principle and value you have rationally adopted. Think of all those people, whose death you have witnessed, being run into ditches to be shot, as they stand upon the bodies of their dead friends and family, who were shot shortly before. Is not facing one’s death fighting the enemy not vastly preferable? Verily, the reward for your fear of death…is only a really bad death.
Think of all the millions killed by Marxist governments, since the advent of this European monstrosity. Stalin and Mao made Hitler look like a novice. But the coming culling will dwarf all of them put together.
Those mindless, headless, bodies…running to their destruction will never realize their suicide, nor that their death was always part of the plan…and in their last dying moments shall whisper their hatred for what could have saved them.
The was a saying among our Military during World War Two, ” They can shoot you but they can’t eat you”. Of course these Barbarians shout, ” Eat the rich!”, so I guess the WW2 saying might be outdated?
Seminole Wind –
In WW2 we were fighting other men who adhered to some sort of honor code. Today we are fighting animal savages who mutilate their own bodies for shock factor, set fire to their own home towns, and who are confused about their own sexual identity.
I refer to them as Commie Zombies, aka Commbies. You are correct, soulless, brainless animals
There is a choice to dieing. Laying down or standing up. We are all going to die. I choose standing up
Ision
Extremely well said. I never really watched any zombie movies, but basically that is what we will be fighting. People we can’t reason with. Extremely sad that we have come to this.
This will all go away Nov. 4th.
How so?
If the President wins re-election the left is going to just go home?
If sleepy Joe’s running mate wins, the right is going to stand down and accept Communism?
Neither of those things will happen, this gets real on 4 Nov, mark my words.
Eli Wags,
I don’t believe it will go away in nov. . whoever wins, I think its going to be a lot worse. I hope im wrong, as I often am. but i’ll be ready. I suggest everyone else do the same. if nothing happens, good. if it all goes south you’ll be prepared.
Ha,,, good luck with that.
Eli,
That’s exactly what the people funding all this destruction and mayhem want you to believe.
NO matter who wins, this will not go away. Trump will retain order? He has been under attack since before he was elected. Liberals win? This still does not go away.
Time to Identify our True enemies… By order of rank
That would be .gov bureaucrats Elitist types in the Council of Foreign Relations, State Department and Globalist NGOs (non government organisations) ie Soros Foundation, Ford Foundation, Kellog Foundation, Hienz Corp and the list goes on do your home work. These are the heads of the Hydra we are at war with. These groups are the big picture ops and the primary mechanism for finance of their Globalist Color Revolutions.
Next are the Infantry Soldiers – progressive WOKE Whities are the .gov’s & NGOs Infantry. They help provide logistics, brown shirt support, special operations, training, organization, limited finance, Tech and communications.
Useful Idiot Brown Shirts.
The Blacks and Antqueefas are being used as cannon fodder aka useful idiots to create simple chaos. The blacks will be disposed of as soon as their usefulness is no longer needed. They are controlled directly by the WOKE Whitie Progressives. Typical Democrats being Democrats using Blacks as their political slaves.
So have I identified our enemies?
They sure as hell want to pick a fight with us. I have no idea why or I guess I am unable to understand and comprehend their motivations. You have to be a group of real mentally sick bastards to want to control everyone globally. Dictate how everyone should live, what they should think, what they should speak, follow these elitists blindly and obey without question. They want us to continue to funnel all of our fake fiat currency into their pockets? For what they have enough? These .gov elitists and NGOs are truly SCUM.
Prepare for tough times ahead folks. If you have the ability… Select key members of your tribe that will be useful and build up a supply stash for them and their family too.
White Cracker,
you are 100% right on this, but its not about money with those people, its power over others.
hitler, stalin and mao were not about personal wealth, but power over the people. and yes its a mental sickness. they were most likely bullied as children, and now its their turn.
ahhh but those SOB’s became rich, had Mercedes to ride in, palaces and were NEVER hungry.
Many people were bullied as children and became well balanced adults rather than sociopaths. From what I’ve read few of these “controllers” were ever bullied. Instead they were taught that everyone was beneath them, and that they deserved whatever they wanted.
The difference between today’s snowflakes and Hitler is that he learned to go out and get what he wanted, while most snowflakes wait for it to be fed to them.
Lauren,
That was me, turn the other cheek,,
BS
Now im more likely to bash your (not yours) head in with a rock,,,,
“You put down your rock and I put down my sword and we try to kill each other like civilized people?”
“I could kill you now.”
“I think the odds are slightly in your favor at hand fighting.”
Ha! I love that,,,
Fessic
As you wish!
He says a lot of things that fit. Like “You use different moves when you’re fighting half a dozen people, than when you only have to be worried about one.”
Excellent post Cracker, you covered it nicely…now if only the sheep would wake up. I have a dream about pulling down the Georgia Guide stones as a challenge to the Globalists, the MSM would unwittingly cover the destruction and motivate the sheep to do an internet search to find out exactly what they said…possibly awakening them to the fate the elite have planned.
“The blacks will be disposed of as soon as their usefulness is no longer needed.”
Planned Parenthood has already killed 22 million black babies since 1973. To put it in perspective there are 42 million blacks in America today. So, they have already removed 1/3 of the black population in America through abortion and no one has even blinked an eye. Black on black crime and blacks killed by law enforcement pales in comparison. The black population is being eradicated by the left in America and they don’t even realize it.
Nature abhors a vacuum, if we enter into a time of WROL it will be a set-up by our major Democrat run cities to introduce UN Peacekeepers as a control grid to destabilize this nation. I expect the coming economic Depression and food shortages to cause enough suffering that people will give up their rights to be able to survive. The MSM, corrupt politicians and the criminal multi-national corporations will contribute to the suffering by stealing your children and property and sending the “red list” sheep to camp. The Heartland will fight on…Murica!
Don’t worry about UN peacekeepers, there are not enough in the world. Their foot soldiers will come from the ranks of Antifa and other brainwashed Marxist diehards. They will be the new Brown shirts of the Marxist movement of America.
Serious question: What about all the young muslim men aka “refuges” invading…I mean, settling in Europe now? Will another wave head our way to the US? By the millions? Won’t need UN Peacekeepers. Or, could they be one and the same?
And in reply to williamtheresolute, is this why ‘they are trying to get us on board with fake meat and fake foods? We will be facing food shortages. It’s a given with the GSM and the fact of this whole lockdown thing with a virus. So many animals killed and wasted. And potatoes, and milk/dairy, etc., etc.
People, don’t waste a second of this reprieve we’ve been given. (Preaching to the choir, I know), but get your house in order for the long haul.
These groups need to consider old combat vets , we have our limits , just saying
yup’ have about reached mine
I agree, White Cracker, w/ your most excellent assessment of our present condition.
Please also allow a grandma to take the discussion one step further. I realize that this should not devolve into a religious discussion but it is Sunday, July 5 & that brings to mind many matters: our great nation & the essence of freedom, our amazing Heavenly Father & His purpose in creating & sustaining us in these extraordinary current conditions & what our appropriate responses will be, day to day, situation by situation. I choose to prep & pray.
So, in effect, I believe this is the ultimate battle between good & evil: God & Satan. Yes, we all die & what purpose will our lives have fulfilled? Have we made decisions that have eternal value? I am but one voice …..
Yes TX Deb, we are in an extreme fight between good and evil. I have been praying….but I think God wants me to act. How do I act? I have fought The Nature Conservancy (NGO evil entity), I have fought for the State of Jefferson. Is it time to take the fight to the streets? I live in an area that will most likely be one of the last to have the fight come to me. So, I continue to pray to God for guidance, and to pray our President is guided by Him too.
Yup, from Mr., he is chomping
Charlie Manson is smiling from Hell
There is a definite lack of civility running through our society these days.
These BLM types, just remember blacks are less than 13% of the population and you dont have all your people on board and only a handful of whites or others,
The communist, same thing, little tiny minority.
All other anarchist, little tiny minority.
The media,
Will portray them as being massive in numbers, the leftist media.
Im usually pretty quiet, i keep my head down, work, mind my own business, have respect for others, just like dozens of tens of millions if others.
If you threaten me or mine im not calling 911.
I really dont care WTF anyone thinks, laws,etc,,,, scorched earth policy.
I
Am not alone, not in this mindset,
Not in this coming battle.
These groups are banking on the passivity of folks like me, it wont be there, dont give a rip what anyone says or thinks they are not in my head, or the minds of millions of others like me.
If you want to burn our flag, destroy our monuments, you are an enemy. If ya ask me, they should kill them all.
I have a shotgun, a shovel and 30 acres
Take a ten foot length of old garden hose. Drive 3 rows of 16 penny nails 4 inches apart at the 12, 4 and 8 oclock positions. Voila! Instant spike strip. Cut into shorter lengths. Instant caltrops.
Cid, get a backhoe, got a feeling we’ll need one.
KevinH get hogs, doesn’t even change the flavor of the bacon. Many a drunken farmer disappeared in the hog pen. Burn barrel is useful for non-organic leftovers. Wood chippers have many uses around the farm.
Our NH Bears LOVE Tourists, they want more as the last batch was delicious.
Oh did I say that out loud?
Yes, backhoe
Think smarter, not harder.
Regards
Yesterday, I started seeing bits and pieces from various alt news sources about an armed black militia, new Black Panthers movement. Saw video from various feeds of them near Stone Mountain in GA. Ex-military, well-armed and fairly disciplined looking. Lots of mentions today of them, supposedly in other parts of the country (Seattle?) though some of the reporting is sketchy. In one feed, they are asking for their own land to form a country in – Texas, for example.
My point is, we may have to deal with more than a random bad guy, or disorganized group of street thugs. If this new development has validity, I’d expect to see more organized groups. Whoever is funding this obviously won’t restrict their agenda to just one part of the country. It feels like a good idea to think about ways to address this – Mutual assistance groups, home hardening, plan B’s, etc…
@Farmgirl, ties in to the 10,000 rifles the Government caught being brought into the U.S. by the Red Chinese this week and the 58,000 they caught last August. Hmmmmmm?
From what I heard customs in Kentucky seized a shipment. It was 10,800 mod parts to make an AR full auto. The shipment supposedly came from Shenzhen, China.
One can study the propaganda images of the black militia unit marching into the Stone Mountain park and notice a few things.
They are just as obese as any non-combat oriented American group. Many are overweight women.
Their weapons appear to be new, with clear rails, no optics and bias sights folded down.
They carry no supplies for battle on their persons and their vest pockets are empty of magazines.
They are uniformed in solid black, which matches their harnesses and their black long arms…a coordinated uniform code it seems. (Nothing is easier to see than a soldier dressed all in jet black. Not a wise color to choose.)
Their appearance was meaningless, meant only for the propaganda effect. The force could not destroy the monument, even if they tried hard to do so…free of any hindrance. Plus, they could not hope to fight any actual enemy militia already in defensive positions. But, then…this black on black unit would have never entered the park had any counter military force been scouted.
I wonder how many of them are undercover operatives… I bet at least five of them.
In the Vietnam era, all sorts of radical groups sprang up…JUST to attract undercover agents to them. The organizers would have events and meetings, where they would talk the talk..but, just keep shy of actual criminal acts. Then, they would charge DUES of the membership “for the cause.” The amount would be quite high. So, high…the ONLY ones who actually were able to pay it every month….WERE the undercover agents. It was a good way to make money.
At closer study of the video it looked to me that they are carrying air soft rifles
Ision
I had just watched the personal hand filmed video of Stone Mountain.
Sounded to me, as of this, to be an antagonizing speech, not a protest
As far as the KKK?
Maybe they should do their own history search and find out the group they are fighting/opposing is the same group that started the KKK….the Dems.
The ones they so blindly support…
(Head scratch)
JC
Useful idiots
Lol
Yes umm
They may be obese. They may not have state-of-the-art M-4’s with Trijicon optics. Ask yourself this: Do their trigger fingers work? Are they committed to killing us white folks? That march may be for show but we would do well to remember the two Negro men who made up the DC sniper team back in the late 1990’s, I believe. With just rudimentary practice and tactics, they pretty much put the fear of God in thousands of citizens in the VA-Beltway area.
As a Army veteran and retired Peace Officer, I have seen many out-of-shape, young, old, male, female, etc. become thoroughly focused and ruthless killing machines when they decided it was time. This group, according to the news feeds was also involved in intimidating whites who were driving in the area. Never, ever underestimate your adversaries. And stay away from these BLM militants and their white useful idiots who want to parade around with guns. CWII is just about ready for kick-off. Let them start it. No Fort Sumters. Plan accordingly.
For what it’s worth, they call themselves NFAC, an acronym for “No More F—ing Around Coalition”.
They supposedly disavow the BLM, saying they will not allow whites in their ranks. Other videos have surfaced of them operating vehicle “check points” in the park, stopping and questioning white motorists about their position on reparations for white privilege and slavery.
These later, better quality videos, leave no doubts about the authenticity of the weapons they are carrying, and they are not toys or airsoft as one suggested.
Truthfully, while I don’t like what they are doing, neither do I like similar stunts by supposed “pro-2A white folks parading around in public forums with their AR’s.
I’m a White Guy, BLM-Black Lying Marxists, tell me that I have “White Privilege’s”. So how come I never got to play in the NFL, NBA, or NBL? Why wasn’t I appointed to the Supreme Court, have my own T.V. show, star in movies, or get elected President? Get free lunch at school, a free phone, free food every month, or free- all my race- collage? Why didn’t I get to marry a Kardashian? (yuck!!!!!)
They can keep their White Privilege, I want some ” Black Privilege!”
SW:
I remember back in the late ’60’s & early ’70’s when my dad was hiring in the midst of “Affirmative Action” & he would complain about the future of his company degrading because he had to pass up immensely qualified candidates because he had a federally mandated racial quota to fill w/ much less qualified folks. What has happened to “merit based” achievement? Discrimination shows up in many forms!
Hell, I’d settle for any kind of privilege….
Black, white, yellow, grey, red,
Green, blue, multicolored
I believe conservatives have not been sucked into a reactionary stance yet because they are thinking logically and refusing to play the game for now. In some ways it is how we enter the fight that is more important than the fight itself.
In my view it is clear that the political left has gone so far off the rails into its own cultism that there is no coming back. There can be no reconciliation between the two sides, so we must/are preparing to fight.
Once we understand that a fight is coming regardless, our task is to position ourselves with the most advantage possible while keeping our culture and our principles intact. This includes our belief in constitutionalism, civil liberties and opposition to tyranny in ANY form. Winning the fight is important, but maintaining our principles in the process is more important. Becoming a monster to fight the monster is the same as losing.
When the left comes for us (and they will), the fight has to be won by us, not government. We cannot hand even more power to government in the name of security. We cannot become the fascists the leftists accuse us of being.
If the elites and the social justice mob take control, there can be no future for America. They desire what they cannot and should not have. They value only what they can take from others. They have a hunger that can never be satiated. They will devour America until there is nothing left while claiming they stand for the “greater good”. War cannot be avoided with such people; the only question is, will liberty minded people stay the course to ensure victory? From what I know and see, the answer is YES.
I will not comply. I will not give up my freedom, liberty, or my civil rights, to appease a TYRANNICAL gov’t. Period, I rather die fighting, than live on my knees.
SMG – Well said.
SMG, IMO this is all to bring down the U.S. Period. We are the last thing standing in the way of the New World Order. When we go down they rise to power. And it will be global. I am beginning to agree this will be a fight to the end. Liberty either lives or dies now. And they will try to scare us again to staying in our homes with another virus, or some threat or excuse. Jobs will be gone, businesses fail, food availability limited, etc. Everything is fair game now. Whites, Christians, billionaires, millionaires, businesses, you name it.
It. Is. Crazy. All of it.
Wow, I am not an articulate man. Well said.
if and when it comes, and you Will know when it does, don’t hesitate- act with purpose, to save your families and your country. to hesitate is to loose. the marine corps doctrine says, when you are ambushed, move forward and attack. don’t retreat. to fall back is to be pinned down and to be picked off. advance on the enemy and take away their initiative at every opportunity.
“New Intel: Communist China providing automatic weapons to Antifa, Black Lives Matter… some stored in democrat-run government buildings including East End Complex Capitol building in Sacramento – Block 174”
Gov. Newsom-ofnothing is/was laundering money with Communist China
Natural News site
Could be something/could be nothing. Who the hellknowsanymore.
I know one thing, we our only seeing this social unrest just begining to unfold. It will increase into the elections. …and it won’t stop there.
We have two options in Nov.
Another four years of Trump, and we will see more of the same:
the continued false accusations of collusion,impeachment processes, continued funded riots, which will increase with more violence, bigger devastating false flags….etc
Or we have basement dwelling, stink eye Joe and his band of colleagues
…and then, we have NO fighting chance, what so ever, to ever bring this country back.
How can one defend their rights, when “the built system” is totally against them?
Joe c,
My understanding is the intercepted “arms shipment” was actually full-auto conversion parts for AK’s. Makes sense.
No telling how many of those cheap Chinese knock-offs (AK 74’s) and semi-auto eastern bloc surplus rifles that had been converted to semi-auto for import, are already in the gang-banger’s hands. To my knowledge, all Ak’s are mil-spec, meaning that parts are interchangeable no matter the manufacturer.
Making matters worse, catching one, or even several shipments, doesn’t mean they caught them all. To the contrary, normally with clandestine shipments (smuggling), only a small percentage is caught.
I personally, do not have need of, or even want, a full auto, but several thousand in the hands of bad people would be just the ticket for gun grabbers to get their wish of all out semi-auto’s being banned (ever heard the words “easily converted”?). Remember, people ain’t evil, guns are.
Dennis
You are correct,
The title of the article is misleading.
They are conversation kits, not the fully assembled ar.
Easier to smuggle and hide.
Full auto is a waste of ammo from what I hear.
I have none to waste.
Joe c, Dennis, Ask any Vietnam vet who was in combat what some of the soldiers did when they were in a firefight, they sprayed and prayed-that they hit the enemy.
I remember reading some report that was put out by the DOD in the 70’s; That said “for every enemy soldier killed by the US, the US soldier fired an average of 250,00 rounds”. 250,000 ROUNDS for ONE enemy soldier ???
Oh crap I need more ammo, I don’t have nearly enough!
2k of each may not be enough
Blackjack
250,000 rds/one enemy????
Well, I guess after #4 is down, I’ll have to switch to my crossbow.
Lol
The enemy soldier was really, really, full of holes…not just one.
Oops
‘Conversion kits’
Not ‘Conversation’ pieces
Dennis, all others interested.. natural news report out tonight… found…weapons and gold stored in sacramento in government building , gives room number…newt twerp tryint ot remain in power… gangs and walking crusties trained by chin ese special ops… instructors… won’t be soy boys from moms basement..others hipments for F ky and for florida have been intercepted… drop in mods were intercepted.. .to convert to full auto….
Full Auto excellent! the 4 mags they have will just burn through faster. Anyhow I always wanted one for the kicks, so I will just take one of those full autos off one of the dead thugs after the shooting stops. Only problem is popular ammo is 7.62 NATO not Ruski 7.62×39.
Old Vietnam vet told me about couple tricks and treats they used to play on the Cong concerning extra ammo. Used to reload the 7.62 NATO with a pinch of c4 for the primer. left it out on the trail. VC would use it in their rifles. OOOOppps 🙂
correction 7.62 x 54 for the ruskie ammo right
7.62×54 is the round a Russian built bolt-action combat rifle, known as a “Mosin-Nagant”, fired. It was the most powerful, and the most accurate, rifle ever issued to infantry. It won 11 Gold Medals in the Olympics. The Russians used this same rifle longer than the British used their .303 Enfields, which was forever.
It is not an AK round…and the only semi-auto I am aware of, which fires it, is also a Russian made rifle, known as the SVT-40, used in WWII.
The Chinese copied the rifle, but the quality is lower.
Did you know every Mosin-Nagant made by the Soviets was issued with a long bayonet…but NO scabbards were ever produced to carry it. So, these bayonets were always attached to the rifles..or tossed. Just look at all the old pictures of Soviet troops…bayonets everywhere.
Best and cheapest .30 caliber rifle you can buy.
Ision –
Back in the late 80’s Big 5 sporting goods was selling MilSurp Mosin-Nagants, from some eastern-bloc country, out of an oak barrel for $89 a piece. I had no idea at the time what I was looking at.
tmcgyver,
My son bought two, giving me one of them, but they were more expensive. For a short period (pre-Obama) Russia was exporting “new” Mosins assembled from unused surplus parts, Parkerizing the metal parts (except the polished bolt) and using new wood. Mine has the sought after hexagonal receiver (they went to a cheaper to produce round receiver in 1930 for all but a few specialty rifles). For all intents and purposes, mine is a brand new Mosin.
I’ve shot maybe fifty rounds through it, and it’s as accurate as it’s rough iron sights allow. I manage about 2″ groups at 100 yds, even with the sights limitations.
I reload for it. Even though it is designated as 7.62 (.30 caliber), the rifling grooves are 7.92 mm (.312 caliber, same as the .303 British) which is what I use for my reloads. Discernible difference in accuracy.
Nobody probably cares about that (7.92 v 7.62) but if someone is considering reloading for accuracy in a Mosin, they might consider that.
I have just come up with a way to rid the south of demoncrats. im going to call my Cajun friends in Lafayette, La. gonna tell them that democrats taste good, the limit is one and the season closed yesterday. come this Friday they will be any left within 1000 miles. ha ha
Joe just saw you had already posted this.. the problem is they don’t intend us to be around to change anything they intend to cut all our heads off….
Just Sayin’
Well… that might hurt a bit. Think I’ll pass on that. Keep calm and take five with you. (Saw that somewhere. Clever, that.)
Thanks, Ken… I think this topic is not just important, but vital.
Over the years I’ve been visiting MSB, we’ve talked from time to time about what that could lead to a WROL situation. We talked about post-disaster, food shortages, grid-down, etc… and here we are with these completely artificial, politically motivated melees. As painful as it is to watch or read about, how much worse will it be to be physically caught up in it?
I’ve mentioned over recent years how I’ve run through scenarios in my mind – what happens if/when…“fill in the blank“?
If at the BOL, where we spend a lot of time these days, we know we have like-minded neighbors. People who are trained and equipped, so we would not be dealing with this alone. Suburbia would uncontrollable, probably hopeless. After the King riots, some areas were reduced to scorched earth. Wanton destruction. BOL = best chance of survival.
Too many people won’t take the red pill. They choose ignorance, willful blindness. They refuse to see or admit to themselves that these riots masquerading as demonstrations are just a preview of coming events.
And so, preparing on and working on my mental toughness. Trying to avoid being shocked by future violence and lawlessness.
So Cal
From what you just said, the only thing missing is grid down. Maybe that’s next on the list? Ohhhh wait! Never mind. Grid down means no computer games. Those 20 something college dropouts living in mommies basement won’t tolerate not being able to play World of Warcraft or Grandtheft Auto. They might have to increase the Ritalin dosage.
INPrepper –
You know my neighbor’s kid very well.
I previously wrote, If you listen you can hear the Republic. tic iric tic
That is the sound of the clock ticking down on the bomb – the temperament of the American citizens.
When will it go off? Not until enough jobs are lost, families are bankrupted, hunger is setting in, ….
Then the silent majority (the sleeping giant) will rise up to take back what is left of the country. It will not be pretty.
Right now, true patriots are turning the other cheek every time the radicals strike. This restrain will go on until November, then no one knows if the gloves will come off.
if and when it comes, and you Will know when it does, don’t hesitate- act with purpose, to save your families and your country. to hesitate is to loose. the marine corps doctrine says, when you are ambushed, move forward and attack. don’t retreat. to fall back is to be pinned down and to be picked off. advance on the enemy and take away their initiative at every opportunity. this is important guys.
good luck to all and lets pray it doesn’t come to this.
This is a truth of combat. I am glad you expressed it.
In my combat experience, I have noticed a few rules one should follow:
1. Shut up.
2. Always look up.
3. Shut, the Hell, UP.
4. Dead bodies attracted more dead bodies.
5. Last chance. If you don’t SHUT UP…I’m going to cut you and leave you bleed out.
Of course, these five rules are really just three rules, which I add to the top of the other combat 23 (or so) rules.
But, in my experience, I became aware of the most enemy and targeted them because they did not shut up, or they made some noise. People forget to look up into the trees, roof tops, and sky. If the enemy does not move they can be hard to see..even if they are not taking cover. An enemy once seemed to appear in front of me, as if by magic, simply because he scratched his nose. Lucky for me, he was not looking in my direction…and I was obeying my first rule.
Civil forces are used to attacking fixed locations and and fighting criminals, who are trying to flee from them. Untrained forces tend to make just about every combat mistake imaginable, such as “loud whispering,” which one can hear 50 yards away…sneaking across open areas, such as lawns and parking lots…and bunching up.
So, once engaged with Civil forces..maneuver, circle, advance and flank…let them think you are fleeing, as they expect..then ambush.
The untrained forces tend to have no staying power and light casualties often make them retreat in disorder. Such forces need to be bloodied over time to become effective.
An effective point defense is to rig extremely powerful lights pointing directly into the faces of the enemy, just like you see government forces using powerful lights on the bad guys in all the movies and tv shows. Surplus Aircraft Landing Lights work nice, and one can set up such a light on one’s CAR…facing toward the rear…as well as the front. These can be effective in blinding the enemy, even causing pursuit to crash…and mask an exit from the vehicle. Place a DVD in the stereo to play false sounds, or “screaming speeches” in the car..and turn it UP…to make the enemy believe the vehicle is still manned…and a threat…while you use the light shadow to vanish.
The powerful lights can be used to defend barricades and a home’s approaches and openings, too.
When I was active, we created a blinding laser for use in cars. It could be fired through the glass. It required no leading of a target. It could be used against pursuit and road blocks..to blind (permanently) the enemy. It could be used against civil helicopters and low flyers. It was silent. It never ran out of ammo. And, it could be removed with you..if you needed to bail. If the combat vehicle is not equipped to hand such a device..it blinded its crew…too.
We mounted one on a car’s rear “hat rack” just beneath its rear window. It lay flat and level with the rack, unless it was activated. It would flip up…and fire…with a button push from the driver. The driver targeted the laser using the three forward mirrors. Grease pencil marks on the mirrors were used to line up the following target..and when these triangulated sites fixed on the following car’s driver side front window…you pushed the button mounted on the steering wheel. The idea was to fire the laser at some critical part of the road, where the effected driver…who was now totally blind…would not be able to navigate it without crashing.
If the following car crashed, or went off the cliff, their would be no evidence betraying what caused the crash..no ballistics..no holes..and the bodies found would have no wounds…and the chances some coroner would figure out the driver was blind…is tiny.
If the driver lives, he remains blind and is removed from the enemy force.
We used this in Europe…against the Soviets. Might come in handy here…in a new CW.
Forgive me…I get carried away sometimes…
I pray all the above proves unnecessasary. All my experience has been in other countries and other people’s kids with a safe home and family to return to….DEROS this is our home defending our country our family. Couple of things different can t call for fire support no artillery no close air etc. No medevac! Fight from your home. The motto in Korea is we fight tonight! Are you ready to fight tonight? RLTW DOL
this past Saturday there was a pro communist protest gathering in Madison, ms. of all places. this is one of the most affluent townships in Mississippi. all upper middle class, doctors and lawyers. if they came to get something started they came to the right place. I believe that was their intentions.
our patriot sons handled it well. no violence. but the commies left visibly shaken.
our patriot sons ALL hunt and they have not pulled a trigger on a moving target in months . they can and will open season if necessary. we’re tired of it, seriously. there were 6 of them and about 200 of us
The problem with law and order is those laws are used against us by liberal politicians, liberal prosecutors, liberal judges, and with the complicity of cops. People are being arrested for defending themselves against violent attack at the hands of thugs and violent protesters.