During the time period following a massive social societal collapse, law and order will break down. Some, most, or all of us may be living WROL (without rule of law) the extent of which may depend on where you live.
During this time of chaos, an individual will have rights only as long as he or she can defend them.
A devastating social collapse will smash your preconception of safety & security.
This is the subtle logic of violence. Your rights are those you can defend.
Most people may feel uncomfortable with this notion, however it’s something that you might inevitably face under collapse conditions. It’s best to understand this and prepare as necessary.
Most people have never had to defend themselves or their property and it will be difficult to grasp, understand, or accept the logic of violence. Criminals on the other hand, understand it fully.
Presently we live in a society that is quite visibly decaying into something less than orderly. While criminals are generally held in check by the police and justice system, there are obvious changes taking place before our eyes.
It feels like we have been and are being divided in irreconcilable ways that have become a danger to our societal fabric. There are organized and very well funded groups who are loudly proclaiming that they will be attacking us (physically) as they continue their attempted ‘take down’ of America as we once knew it. For those of you who’ve been following alt-news, you know the groups whom I speak of (and those who are behind them and supporting them).
Following a major social collapse the criminal element will be unleashed while the police become overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of it all. They will also be like the rest of us: concerned for their own security, their own families, their own homes and property…
Collapse will be worst in the cities (where martial law may be declared). Logically, less so in the suburbs, and even less in rural America. Though no one will be unaffected under such a scenario.
If and until order is restored,
your rights will consist of those which you can personally defend.
Defending your rights under social collapse conditions may result in physical threats to your person, your home or your property. It may lead to engagement of force, violence, or any actions thereof. It’s not a pleasant thought for most people who are used to an orderly and relatively safe & secure society.
Most people don’t have much, if any, experience with defending themselves against violence. Many or most people probably have not given serious thought to the circumstances of a major social collapse and the ensuing reality of having to defend one’s rights for real. Most people think it can’t happen…
The thing is, it has happened before, it is presently happening in other places around the world right now, and it may even happen here.
If you are reading this, then I hope you will at least think about it, and the things you might do to prepare for such a time. Don’t get stuck in normalcy bias. If you’ve thought it through, you will be less shocked and more prepared if and when it happens.
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Oh I’ve thought about it,
I’ve even spoken with close friends about it, we have all come to consensus on what the SOP will be.
Most here wont like it.
Folks the big problem from my point of view is ID of friendlies vs domestic terrorists AND NOT being ID by law enforcement/military AS domestic terrorists. As much as I would back my local Police (they WILL need backup I fear) I do not want to spend time in jail and disarmed by moron politicians who think We the People are the Problem.
What can we do? The spineless authorities that ENABLE violent protesters by directing Police to stand down or worse push them into situations to increase the violence ARE the problem.
Ideas and suggestions please.
Concerned
NH Michael
One thought is to make FRIENDS with your local police/sheriff dept. Invite them to a homeowners meeting…or a neighborhood watch meeting. If you want it to be private, then go visit them at their turf. Sit and talk. Explain your stance and your willingness to be an asset (If they seem receptive) Feel it out.
We need to know our politicians. It’s usually a tight little clique, from the governor to the mayor to the police chief. If the mayor says “stand down,” you can bet the governor agreed to it. If the governor says “stand down” the mayor can tell the police otherwise, but likely won’t. You have to know the ins and outs of the favors traded. Usually there are strong indications in one direction or the other. If they’re the kind to ignore the violent, get them out of office.
Fortunately I live in an area where the county sheriff encourages CCW and there will be a lot of us that will be willing to back up LEO around here.
Become a Reserve Sheriff’s Deputy. Free training. Great networking. Advanced information. Police radio and gear. Extra income. It’s one of the best things I’ve done.
Not sure where you are in the state…sounds like the 93 corridor Concord or south, or maybe South and East of Manchester…get to the rural areas if possible. My experience is once you leave those areas, the men in blue are much more sympathetic to our views.
NHM, probably depends on where you live. In some places LEOs will be stand-up guys, trying to do all they can to help. Then again in other places they may decide they want to exercise authority over you like lords over serfs. If that’s the case it’ll be up to Joe Average and his pals to do something about it. IMO too many of them will be willing to use their uniform/badge for their own benefit.
Pioneer Woman probably had the best idea – make friends with them now.
The problem is the police are the government. They are the ones who would violate your rights because they are the ones who do it now. It’s not the politicians who point guns at you for not wearing a seat belt or having a pill or plant (all completely consensual voluntary activities). It’s the cops who do. It won’t be the politicians who arrest you for bearing arms or speaking freely or not paying extortion, it is the police.
We have and are continuing to be divided by irreconcilable differences. There was once a time when people would stand up for their communities and fight for local justice – not anymore.
This divide turned from just ideological points of view to physical division of populations. This trend was started a couple of generations ago, but has now accelerated to the point where major sectors of cities, counties or States are becoming monolithic – One example (while not trying to be racist in any way) is the occurrence of “white flight” from some areas. But the most serious trend for the future of our Union is financial. One good article asserting this is on ZH today “Migration of the tax donkeys”, leaving some areas in an ever downward financial spiral. Many posters on this site like NRP saw this problem coming many years ago, which is indicative of preppers – reacting ahead of the hordes.
I was referring to NRP getting out of Kalifornia years ago as the State continued it’s downfall. (not that he was clairvoyant or exceptional lol) . 🙂
hermit us
Ahhhhhh Com-On-Man, here I had hoping for a compliment 🙁
NRP
It was kind of a back handed compliment – you do know a bit about human nature and covering your butt – I don’t do praise well so don’t be offended. If you knew me and asked for a hammer, I would give you the 20 oz not the 12 oz – some people you can count on, not many but some.
hermit us
It;s always a dainty 16 oz for me.
I may have to hit the nail twice, but I never miss—
& have never ever banged my thumb.
While not accident prone, I can always see a train wreck coming. I’m psychic!
Good day Cinderella (or is it Lady Glovida)
You have many well wishers on here that encourage your move to a more peaceful local. With your experience in many fields (some under the apple trees) you should be able to adapt to any situation. You could easily join flee markets with your wares and enjoy the comraderiy of such a group. It sounds like you have always been up for a challenge. Good luck.
In a social collapse, it would be good to have like minded people around. What does your psychic mind tell you?
Today, is the TWELVE year anniversary, my wife and I sold our home, in Orange County, Ca, and got OUT. Only miss good Mexican food, haven’t found any in our “new state”, we now reside in. If we were ever stupid enough to move back, we would be instant felons strictly due to their draconian gun laws, which only benefit the parolees and gang-bangers. Miss some of the friends, they come to us luckily, and all have commented on how far down my native state has sunk into the Socialism CessPool. We don’t miss it, have siblings and my ancient Mother in far NorCal, in a (so far)gun friendly county. County still has as many sc7mbags as I remember it used to. Generational it seems.
Glad we are long gone,
If you are in a non-homogeneous area I suggest you move now while you have a chance. Multi multiculturalism will kill you. Your other option is to establish a bug out plan where you extract to a location where the natives are friendlier.
It is wise to have the flexibility to adapt and stay mobile if you can not change your location. Good Luck to those urban dwellers. Back in the late 60’s it was so bad in Detroit, MI that people moved in droves out to the burbs for safety. They even sheltered (squatted) in their partially built homes.
If you allow people to call you names and this scares you into submission. Those people have dominion over you. When it comes to your family’s security, it does not matter what other people think of you. Do what it takes to keep your family safe.
Anybody that hasn’t given this kind of scenario some serious, deep thought, those folks in my humble opinion are NOT preppin. I know there’s somebody everywhere that likes to avoid the word “gun”. Those folks should look into gettin over that feelin YESTERDAY. I hope they feel an obligation as strong to their families to protect em as they do feed em. my sincere hillbilly opinion.
Another thought is to allow yourself to be socially rude if the situation may call for it. There is nothing wrong with telling someone to stop in their tracks if they are approaching you and you feel threatened or uneasy. If they turn away, probably either wanted an easier target or were not a threat in the first place….if they keep coming, well their end reception won’t be pretty.
Folks, this is a GOOD time to start practicing your situational awareness and mental state. Talk with family members about hypothetical situations, see what reactions you are getting. Play at some scenarios, again see what the reactions are. I know it may not be the same as in real life, but give it a try at least to bring some thoughts to the surface.
I was visiting a neighbor recently, some in the household would like some training….one is willing to just lay down and die. This is important to know.
Then TRAIN like you would fight/respond. TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN.
I know this question is off topic, but it could be part of this scenario. The horrible act that was brought upon Las Vegas with the mass shooting, other than avoiding large crowds what tactic should be used under those circumstances?
In that particular situation? Duck and cover. Do not attempt the exits. Determine the direction and get as much mass as you can between the shooter and you.
In a “normal” shooting situation (and it’s sad that there’s a norm) your goal is to minimize loss of life, stay alive yourself, and take down the perpetrator. Get innocents out of range first. Once innocents are safe blockade the location so the perpetrator can’t get to his next staging area.
As a friend of mine once said, in a shooting situation you’re a speedbump. You’re an obstacle to keep the idiot from expanding his body count. He was talking specifically about school shootings, but it applies to other scenarios as well.
In a WROL situation it’s slightly different because you’re probably not dealing with one shooter intent on killing as many as he can. You’re dealing with a mass of desperate humanity with its own momentum, and chances are good that if you take one down there are others behind him.
Bluecatmatt,
Cover, cover, cover. If it will stop a bullet, get it between you and the shooter. That maniac was 400+ yards away and more or less stationary. He couldn’t change his position easily. Find cover and stay put.
Stationary?? So, the story is told. Operative word being story.
There are too many reports from the crowd of multiple shooters.
Too many hits for that one guy at that range even with the number of people.
Remain situationally aware. Listen to the crowd and happenings around you. Duck and cover as best you can and as FAST as you can. Always be certain where your exit routes are and what it might take to get to it in a hurry. STAY alert!
I was actually able to peripherally view the venue at Mandalay Bay on Tuesday. What a mess! But I CAN tell you, there were LOTS of exit routes and a good bit of cover if folks only had the mental mind set of using it! Not saying they were not innocent and this event should never have happened, but a good lesson for us all to learn (sadly).
I had a semi-confrontation on FB the other day with a woman I grew up with. She asked for solutions to the shootings, I suggested three and one of them was “more guns.” I got immediate pushback, starting with “How would more guns have helped when he was shooting from above?” and ending with “I don’t believe this is going to continue.”
Both the women involved were totally oblivious and convinced that removing guns from the street would have helped. I pointed out that most attempted mass killings are side-tracked or minimized because someone has a gun, but got pushback on that one as well.
With no way to defend, you’re dead. It’s that simple. If you don’t have a gun, learn to throw a knife. If you can’t use knives, learn to throw rocks. We may soon be reduced to that, judging by the reactions I’m seeing from the blind masses.
Lauren
You know better that to give an opinion, contrary to liberal thinking, on FB. That is exactly the divide that Ken is referring to in our society. Some will not listen or be convinced – ever.
I don’t particularly care any more. I’m going to tell the truth. I’m actually thinking of starting (another) blog. I was talking to Dad yesterday and he made a few statements that really struck home.
“Does an honest person have the right to remain silent in the face of lies?”
“When doing something necessary is proscribed because of potential reprisal, the system is broken and quickly dying.”
Which led right back to “If you’re doing something (or not doing something) out of fear, it’s the wrong reason. Every time.”
Which means I have to do this. And I hate the thought. I’m not a public person, I hate conflict, but this means putting myself out there in direct opposition to mainstream thought. Setting myself up as a target, in essence.
Yeah the old argument that confiscation of guns and even the bump stock would have prevented these killings….as a fact, a fast moving semi tractor trailer truck could have easily mowed down the fence, killing 300 people and injuring thousands in that crowd, and the killer could have kept going and escaped to another car outside the concert arena. It has been done before in Nice France, killing 84 people last year.
Exactly. Guns have only been around for a couple of hundred years but man has been killing man since Cain killed Able. I don’t understand why the anti gun folks just don’t see this. The new form of mass killing has been moving to vehicle’s for a while now but there is no talk of banning them.
I made that comment once and was told- at least you can kill as many or as fast. There is no arguing with some people.
poorman
Soon as they collected the last gun ever made which was in the hands of a law abiding citizen. Their next step would be vehicles, the more they can take from a patriot to make them into a citizen(no rights). They happier they will be….
Thats typical liberal think,
These people have no clue and will still come up with excuses when their theories are proven absolutely wrong.
I know it. I’ve seen it happen. It’s like their blinders extend even to their own words. “I never said that,” and so on. What the MSM says is absolute truth (even if they contradicted themselves yesterday) and for alternative truth they go to the Guardian. SMH
Complex problem, many possible scenarios, many possible ways to counteract each. NH Michael raised one of the main concerns. Who is the threat? Who’s not?
It was fairly simple in frontier days. If the Indians were “on the warpath” every Indian you didn’t personally know was a target to be taken out. If the rider wore a mask without a dust storm going on, he was a bad guy. It won’t be that obvious today.
Tactics? Buddy up if at all possible. I’m not talking “militias”. I’m talking 2 or more doing what you would normally do solo. Watching each other’s back, keeping distance between each other (the admonishment in the Army was “one grenade will get you all”). If the family is doing a job that takes more than one to accomplish, have at least one on over-watch duty. Consider a “color of the day” regimen for known friendlies. A distinctive article of clothing such as a ball cap or bandanna in several different colors, randomly picked in advance to be worn on certain days of the week.
Every unfamiliar face is a possible adversary, but not every unfamiliar face is an adversary. Where I live, remote, with significant distances between homes, that unfamiliar face may be the family member of a neighbor, who has fled back to his Mom and Dad in his retreat from a more dangerous locale.
I could go on and on, but the point is to have a plan. Discuss that plan with your loved ones. Good topic Ken.
There’s been news coverage here of the upcoming round of staged protests set for 11-4. A few protestors blocked a major So Cal Freeway a couple of weeks ago during rush hour; holding up signs to announce this next big planned rally date. Clearly these activities are not going to stop. This group says it’s goal is to unseat the administration. Add in the celebrities pushing to abolish “insert cause of the day here” – it just deepens the divide. Sadly, steeple actually admire these dumb-azz celebrities and buy in to this crap.
Then, just in case everyone wasn’t tense enough we had the “calm before the storm” comment yesterday. I’m learning to take these off-the-cuff remarks and tweets with a grain of salt, but reading this particular comment got to me because I was thinking this exact thing over the last couple of days. To me, it has been feeling like the calm before the storm.
So Cal Gal
If I put on my tinfoil hat for a comment, It seems as if Trump is trying to provoke little fat boy into doing something first to which the US can clobber them – with provocation to keep China out of the fray. I also believe that Iran will eventually do something to start another war over there – there has always been a war (for centuries) in the middle east, so peace is not on the table. This is also one of the irreconcilable divides.
Hermit us,
It does seem like Trump is pushing the round one to make some sort of really provocative move as the excuse. And if that calms down (which seems unlikely) then there’s always Iran/Russia, or some other regional conflict we can get into the middle of. It goes on and on, but it feels like the stakes are higher.
So Cal Gal
Alas Babylon (the book) perhaps.
hermit us,
That’s a huge concern. One person trying to do the right thing but doing something that triggers a series of events that spirals out of control. I just re-read that not long ago.
I laugh so hard at the celebs that keep pushing for the change just not understanding that they will become the first targets of opportunity when the flag goes up. I say go ahead and give peace a chance. I’ll be here with my weapon to cover you if and when it doesn’t work.
poorman,
It’s ridiculous… because someone is a famous actor, or singer, or whatever… that makes them an expert on world politics, science or economics? The celebs become shills for all these groups, and seem to have no idea how they are being used. And the stupid public believes these idiots because they are famous.
So Cal Gal
The November 4th riots are just the beginning. The website for the New Socialist Republic in North America wants the “demonstrations” to escalate each day with the intention of overthrowing own government and instituting their own. They even have a constitution. You can find the 104 page document by googling their organization.
Among other things they plan to outlaw private industry. (There will be a transition period where some private companies will be allowed, but they will need a government license.) I didn’t read the whole thing and don’t understand half of what I did read. But it seems that our leaders will be elected by a weird system where 40% of the vote will be by the people who work for the government-0wned companies, 30% will be by the general population and 40% will be for candidates nominated by the government.
English and Spanish will be the national languages. There will be autonomous regions for African Americans and they will be fully self-governing, even to the point that they can secede from the So Cal Gal
The November 4th riots are just the beginning. The website for the New Socialist Republic in North America wants the “demonstrations” to escalate each day with the intention of overthrowing own government and instituting their own. They even have a constitution. You can find the 106 page document by googling their organization.
Among other things they plan to outlaw private industry. (There will be a transition period where some private companies will be allowed, but they will need a government license.) I didn’t read the whole thing and don’t understand half of what I did read. But it seems that our leaders will be elected by a weird system where 40% of the vote will be by the people who work for the government-0wned companies, 30% will be by the general population and 40% will be for candidates nominated by the government.
There will be an automonous region for African Americans in the deep south. They will be fully self-governing even to the point that they may secede from the New Socialist Republic if they want. A similar region will be established in the Southwest for Mexican Americans and one for Native Americans
There will be open borders, of course.
Americans who opposed the institution of the New Socialist Republic will not be granted citizenship.
Every person accused of a crime shall be represented by an attorney appointed by the government. You can represent yourself, but if the judge thinks you are not doing it properly, he or she can deny you the right to represent yourself.
There’s more. I can’t begin to describe their agenda.
Sorry for the duplication. I tried to copy the name of their organization being too lazy to type it again and wound up copying almost the whole of my comment instead of just the name.
I can guess. I don’t even need to read it.
The first to be “purged” will be their own revolutionaries. That’s historical. Those who fought against them will be next, and suspicion will be sufficient proof. That’s also historical. Those who didn’t fight FOR them will be lumped with the unbelievers and will have no right to food, clothing, occupation, or education (i.e., noncitizens). Open borders will last only long enough for the mass exodus to start, then they’ll clamp it down hard. Anyone attempting, or even suggesting, succession will disappear. Free elections will be a thing of the past. If you don’t vote the way you’re told you’re a non-person with no rights. Suspicion and purges will mark the first half century, and it will become normal for people to disappear in the night. You can probably get most of what will happen “after” by looking at other similar revolutions. It never ends well.
Lauren
I didn’t see the term “open borders” and it didn’t mention (as far as I saw) people leaving the country. Instead it mentioned the right of all people to seek asylum in the Republic and become citizens. People who oppose the Revolution shall not become citizens and shall not have the rights of citizens.
It looks like the general population will only be allowed 30% of the vote. The elite will have the other 70% as near as I can tell. I didn’t see anything about secret ballot.
There can be a draft and both men and women can be drafted.
You mentioned open borders in your original response and the assumption was open in both directions. That’s how the historical “utopias” functioned, until they realized they were losing their sheeple over the border. Historically they also allow only votes that fit their ideology, and if you vote wrong (no secret vote) you’re dead or they just find a way to disqualify you from ever voting again. Everything I mentioned was based on historical precedent rather than a document they can change at a moment’s notice or disregard if they choose.
More….
The former rulers will be punished; criminals imprisoned will be freed after a review and invited to join the revolution.
There will be no nuclear weapons.
There will be no private capital.
There will be no classes. The government will decide wages and there will be no difference between manual labor and intellectual labor.
The government will actively and vigorously promote atheism.
All media will be owned and operated by the government who will also run the education system
DaisyK,
Good grief, and people actually think this is a good idea! I think the 1st clue should have been the word “socialist”. Wow! Who the hell comes up with this crap!
Oh, but…but some animals are born to be more equal than others! Thththth
Californians for one
My wife and I were having a discussion about this the other day. She was questioning why I am so “Paranoid” and carry a gun, sometimes 2. We both grew up in the same small town but she was a good girl. I, on the other hand, was one of the bad guys for a long time. I know what I was capable of and still can be capable of. I also know what others are capable of. These are generally good times we live in now, but things will get much worse when shtf.
Same here, people need to be more concerned with that 7500# 4×4 superduty im driving than my guns,,,
I was a good girl, but I’m not stupid enough to think that evil doesn’t exist. Maybe because I was the target when the bad guys got worked up.
I don’t go by society’s rules, I go by my conscience.
There are too many laws and regulations restricting our freedoms the way our forefathers meant for this country today, so many that everyone has violated them in plain sight.
If Martial Law is implemented, it wipes out your constitutional rights. I would think that upon itself is unconstitutional. Those in metro areas will have enforcement of that Martial law, but far away from people living in secluded areas won’t affect them much. You will have time to bury those guns and hide supplies they may try to confiscate by the time they reach your BO place, but I read somewhere in that law you can be forced into labor camps against your will…..but by that time, I will be on a camping trip in an undisclosed wilderness area.
Sometimes there is no defense of your rights if they are forcibly taken away from you. I plan to elude with trickery and I have ways to escape society’s rules. no matter how wrong they are.
Ken, you are so right…
Resolve… I’ve said it before that one must develop the resolve to defend yourself against ALL COMERS and that includes any and all armed agents of the government (local, state, federal, National Guard, US military). Or, simply give up and meekly allow yourself to be herded like sheep or trampled under foot. It’s like prepping, in that you should think about this… a lot, before SHTF
Today it’s the violent left wing or right wing radicals or the gang bangers or whatever group happens to be todays target of interest by the government and media that we have to be concerned with, but after martial law is declared, no one has ANY rights except the armed agents of the government and their families. Martial law, incase any of you didn’t realize it, is military rule and by extension one would think that this includes local and state police and today you would be correct to assume that but depending on who declares martial law, in its most radical form even local police are usurped by the military.
All I want to do is live out the rest of my life in peace and quiet. Grow and can my veggies, sit on the back porch and eat good food and snip on shots of tequila or wine or beer or smoke whatever comes to mind, Camels or whatever. I don’t care to be interrupted in this endeavor because some stupid idiots decide to start shooting cops or killing all the white people or lynching all the black and brown people or overthrowing Donald Trump and by extension, the rest of us because in every case, there is absolutely nothing I can do about any of it unless, they come to my front door
I’m a somewhat peaceful and generous person and try to get along with as many folks as I can, and do my best to stay away from those that I can’t. If they decide to come to my house and interrupt my meal… that’s their problem. Today, I would be well within my rights to blow them away if they attacked me on my property, or even if they were trying to car jack me at Sam’s and 99% I would most likely not even be charged. But… when martial law is declared, the rules change. It becomes a whole different ballgame and I think that’s where most of us will have a big problem because the armed agents of the government no matter who they are, make no distinction between all of the above… good or bad… we ALL (right, or left radicals or otherwise, gang bangers, or peaceful law abiding) become the enemy with the stroke of a pen. If the top bureaucrat decides to confiscate all of our food, guns, subsistence tools, money, property or whatever and/or round up people to cart them off somewhere “for their own safety”, it won’t be the violent right or left wing radicals or gang bangers, or demonstrators doing this… it will be armed government agents, regardless of their political leanings. Today, I wouldn’t even consider firing on a cop or other armed government agent if they came to my house to talk or whatever because today I don’t have any reason to think I’m in danger and they probably feel the same way. But, after martial law is declared the whole game has changed and that’s where one must develop the resolve to either meekly comply and literally lose everything you have including possibly, your life, or defend yourself with every ounce of breath and fight you have and still lose everything you have including probably, your life. It’s not a pretty picture, no matter how you look at it.
Now, I have to go out and finish fixing my “greens” garden bed. Last night some radical left wing armadillos got into it and all but plowed it under. We had not thinned it yet so it should be easy to simply transplant stuff where everything got plowed under.
crabbnebulae
aahhh my good friend…………I could have written that about myself, all of it. I could not have said it better. I have no intention of bein taken anywhere, while I am alive. Thank You much for sharin…………
CrabbeNebulae
I wish you luck with the “all I want to do is live the rest of my life in peace and quiet”. So do I but I have some serious doubts about that happening.
After giving this thought I would say the public is being lead by the nose . These groups are being hired to do civil unrest , do you see any arrests being made of the heads of these companys or who is footing the bill ? NO because the political leaders that could stop this are bought and paid for by the same people . Law enforcement have their hands tied . I believe someone is pushing for martial law and the UN = One world government ! If you can disarm the people you can control them the ultimate goal ! By our own laws those that hire these groups are accessories to assault , property damage , and inciting to riot , but their being protected , so prepare to defend yourself !
A distant family member is one of those being paid. I’ve heard the stories. Daily stipend sufficient to pay for a good hotel room, meals, snacks, and whatever else. Buses to take them to wherever the next “thing” is to be staged, signs and instructions. I’m dead certain the violence is staged as well, and planned out just like the rest.
Yes, the violence is planned too. An audio surfaced a few weeks back from a person that had infiltrated antifa (?) They talked about how far to push a knife in a body, segregate a person out to be able to hurt/kill etc.
We are living in the social decay and we’re watching it slowly rot. The collapse is inevitable because it’s necessary for the Deep State agenda. Some in the Deep State, the hardcore globalists, are pulling out all the stops to attack America from any angle they can manage now — they want the current system to fail. They want America destroyed. Ironically, their desperation has often tipped-the-hat, showing who they are and what their overall mission is. The problem is, the events and the disruptions are coming on faster and harder. It is intentional.
We know many of the Deep State actors. We see the globalist agitators and their money trail, and we know what they’re doing. While we can’t really grasp WHY, we do see what their actions are and what their desired end-result is. Donald Trump and his stance on nationalism and foreign policy has pushed the globalists into overdrive. The Deep State is threatened.
So many of the outrageous tactics demonstrate that we are already in a WROL state. Most of us have not yet been affected up-close-and-personal yet. However, that time is drawing near.
How many more events will be used as an excuse to chisel another chunk out of our Constitutional rights?
I’m unsure how we can actually fight this cancerous-mass except to resist it with all our might, and to remember who we are, where we came from, and what we have the rights to have, own, and protect. My husband and I have had many discussions on what we are willing to fight for and defend. We have also made decisions based on what we are willing to fight for and defend (and how we would defend ourselves). We no longer fly. We no longer travel into or through any state that is anti-American and anti-2nd amendment. We have even discussed completely pulling-the-plug, divesting our real property investments and going to The Gulch. We are currently struggling with the corrupt “master” and we are very close to our thin-red-line of intolerance. One belief we both share is that neither of us will give up our unalienable Rights that are granted by God.
Fight the cancerous mass? I’m as ready as I can be but in the face of overwhelming odds, all I can hope for is that mother nature is my force multiplier. If I get 6′ to 8′ of snow again this winter, that should slow the &%#*@%* down a bit. I also hope that a spell of -30 will turn many into popsicles until spring when the bears are hungry.
I too live in a snow area. The timing of when the SHTF will be key to how bad things will get for me. If this happens in the winter when a storm hits there will be no plows to clear the snow from the roads leading into my town. if there is no power it would be even better. Most people have no concept of just how dark it can get as they live in areas that have ambient light. In the middle of a storm with no power I have had times I couldn’t see to the end of my front porch ( about 8 feet ) let alone be able to move around. Roads blocked off for a couple of months should weed out the problem children that might plan on a run to the mountains.
@hermit
I wasn’t using the word ‘fight’ implying violence, but more in the lines of strong resistance and ways of rebellion that can out-smart them. At least at this point.
MT
Mother nature is not violent, just the adjudicator of the survival of the fittest, smartest, or strongest. Or maybe just the best prepared.
Reminds me of Napoleon’s defeat invading Russia. The bitter cold can be your friend if prepared. Living under harsh conditions would keep the rebellious “hoard” from coming this far north.
Stardust
Hitler underestimated the elements as well, going into Russia.
We too should be respectful of the wild – that stick in eye hurts, that trip over that rock can twist the ankle, that onset of the cold night and exposure, ….. hopefully our knowledge of those dangers can be used in our favor when the time comes to fend off the invaders.
Two ideas; OPSEC (Operational Security) and Grey-Man (disappearing into the background).
OPESC, the more that know what you have and what you’re protecting the more likely you’ll have those visitors that want what you have. If your Neighborhood noisy-old-man knows you have a Deep Pantry, generators, ‘Stuff’, I will guarantee 99% of the Neighborhood knows. Learn to keep ya darn mouth shout, teach your children to NEVER talk about it, keep yar stuff out of sight, period.
I know a lot of y-all out there believe that a Group of ‘like-minded’ people is great, well until one of the ‘groups members’ gets his/her panties in a wad and leaves the ‘group’, than what? Now you might as well put up a Billiton-Board that advertises your status.
If ya live in the City or Burbs and prepare, again keep it to yarself.
I often ask the question, if you’re the ‘head of the household’ and your children are starving and dying, what would you do? Would you ‘take’ from your neighbor, your friend, your family if they refused to help you? Could they help? Would they help or would they keep for themselves?
OPSEC, not just a fancy acronym.
Gray-Man; Have the ability to disappear, fade into the background, become the ‘non-target’. If/When “WROL” happens the Crazies are going to be looking for anything, anyone they can. Once TSHTF you need to be ‘gone’ the more people you make contact with the more chances you have of being a victim, the one that’s killed for the change in your pocket, the food in your pack. Some often talk about traveling to their BOL, How? Are ya going to drive 300 miles with a million other people on the roads? Are you going to walk with hordes of gangs rioting all around? Most will answer yes, because you have GOT to get out to your BOL, I understand that, but I sure as hell would NOT be wearing all the fancy Mucho-Tactical stuff….. Get an old shopping cart with a bunch of garbage, hide you’re absolutely need stuff; dress in tore dirty clothing, rub some mud on your face and hair…. BECOME the Gray-Man. And for God’s sake, do NOT look people in the eyes.
A lot of comments on Guns, one of my firearms instructors once told me “If you are not ready to kill someone to protect yourself, your family do NOT have a firearm for someone WILL talk it from you and kill you with it”. We did a lot of practice on taking a gun from someone else and what to do in an ‘Active Shooter’ situation, using practice firearms I was the one with a gun, the instructor took it from me before I could blink, I was amazed. Biggest thing he told me is “Why did I not shoot him (the threat) when he was still 10 feet away?” If, and that’s a very HUGE ‘IF’, your planning on using a firearm to protect yourself, you had better get training. GOOD Training, not the Concealed Class to get a Carry Permit, but real training.
Shoot first let God sort it out later
amen
…and make sure you leave NO brass laying around, so plan accordingly.
Aim Small, Miss Small!
Hi NRP!
Regarding groups of “like minded people”. I remember awhile back there was someone who used to post regularly discussing how their group had fallen apart. One person, they had decided, no longer fit into the group was going around and blabbing about all their stuff, training, locations, etc.
I don’t trust people easily… if at all. I don’t share any information with people about who I “really am” either. But, being a loner is a scary scenario. My biggest fear is being targeted. So I remain the grey-old-woman who stands tall, supports neighbors when needed, works hard, and stays quiet. Until you step on my toe.
luv ya’ll, Beach’n
Beach’n;
I believe Bill Jenkins Horse also has a few stories of that happening, something about ah Husband cheating on the wife, than the wife wanting to bring the new boyfriend or some such rubbish.
NRP,
I agree , Opsec is so critical to our survival .It is absolutely no one else”s business what may be in your pantry , freezer , TP locker or gun cabinet . As you say, a group can quickly turn into a nightmare with only one disgruntled member.. If the member leaves your site , undoubtedly they will blab to someone about your stuff and may return when you least expect it Be extremely selective if you are getting involved in a group. It could be a step in the wrong direction..
Gray is a very good color , my favorite . You do not see decals on my vehicles, caps and shirts with logos , or any bright colored clothing on me . I do not write letters to the thieves in congress or the local newspaper .I try not not to be a person gaining attention.
Surviving in a time of crisis takes some preplanning,
BLUESMAN
“Surviving in a time of crisis takes some preplanning””
There are some powerful words there my friend.
Good article Ken with lots of food for thought from the regular posters on this site.
Having responded to the Rodney King Riots part 2 back in my younger days, I have the following observations:
1. The most important tool or prep item is a functioning brain. Blind panic leads to the FEAR reaction: which is: “F#ck Everything And Run”. In the case of the Vegas shooter, you may be breaking cover and running into the path of a bullet. It is even scarier to be in a small group of armed people tightly clustered together when some among you begin to succumb to the FEAR reaction.
2. Have some goals in mind and try to achieve those simple goals one at a time. The end goal is to make it through the end of your shift/end of your day uninjured with all of your fingers and toes. Take those tools with you that will help you achieve your goals.
3. There is a time to sit tight and there is a time to move. Personal decision here. I think in terms of percentages: If my odds of bad things happening if I sit tight exceed 50%. then it is time for me to move. ( this included my decision to leave my native state of Kalifornia.)
I take inspiration from 2 ethnic groups within Los Angeles that survived the riots and rebuilt and are still there today: The Vietnamese families and the Korean families. Their communities were tight before the civil unrest. They banded together during the civil unrest. Afterwards, they rebuilt together after the unrest.
During the riots, they went to the rooftops of their businesses with charged phones, weapons and ammo, ice chests full of food and drink. They spoke to each other in code and they provided covering fire when groups of losers approached their storefronts. Their businesses sustained minimal losses. The body count was minimal because they fired warning shots at the feet of the invaders. Many of these people came from countries that have recently seen war, conflict and famine so they viewed this as another Civil Defense drill.
Most of us are not trained as well as you (ya we should all get more training) so we have to practice our own strategies that we are capable of and which might just work for our situation.
I know of a couple of irrational crazies that may come for me some day, so when I do my chores, I always have a giant garbage can and several contractor garbage bags near hand. When an unknown person or vehicle approaches from any direction, I carry out the garbage, with a short barrel/pistol grip model 500 in my hand in the top of one of the bags. If it not a threat, I just leave the bags in the can and greet them. No weapon is seen until that line is crossed – surprise. You just have to do your best and go about your business of living.
hermit us
You couldn’t have known, when you wrote this post, but while reading along I first took it to mean that the contractor bags/garbage can was at hand so that, if you had to shoot somebody you could quickly/discreetly load ’em quickly for disposal later.
(Maybe you are on to something & just didn’t know it?)
I caught the same thing. 🙂 I figured it out quickly, but it’s there.
Cinerella
I always clean up my garbage. Can’t have enough bags for what is coming. I would add a smiley face but maybe some would not consider it appropriate.
I hope the bad guys are as confused as you all are.
hermit us
Just ‘gotta love a man who knows when to take out the trash!
WINK
hahaha that made me chuckle. I like your style. Surprise is a valuable advantage. thanks
comment above for hermit us
hermit us, Mairlyn, Lauren
A Backhoe and a Pallet of Lime…. enough said.
NRP
“A Backhoe and a Pallet of Lime…. enough said.”
Already have 3 sacks of quicklime stored.
No backhoe. But I’ve got 50 feet of ditch with waterline I never got around to back filling. Maybe I’ll just put that off.
I’m ashamed of you guys , don’t ya know the bears , coyotes , and critters gotta eat too SHEESH
Feed them hogs
I know this is probably the wrong place to put this. Too embarrassed to ask friends and family. Could use prayers. We are hitting some unforeseen financial difficultly. We are having to use our food storage. I guess I am thankful it is there. I just feel down, it’s gonna be a long road to replacing everything. I am trying to be frugal with it, using freezer foods first. We won’t starve, have a roof over our head and jobs. That is a blessing. Just hitting some bumps.
When you have things that don’t seem on topic, take them to the Saturday post. I personally watch the Recent Comments page so I would see it either way. I’m sure others do the same.
Getting on my knees now.
gotcha! and thanks
You have my prayers for you and yours…..always.
Texasgirl,
I went through a pretty bad speed bump a few years back. At that time I didn’t have preps, but I did find out local churches will assist sometimes with cash, and most counties and towns have food banks you can use. I didn’t feel right doing it but I had to. Also, try a Community Action Center organization. You would be surprised what free help is out there. Only use up your preps if you’ve used up all other options because like you I sure as the devil can’t replace them now!
Irregardless of policy prayers are offered.
It is said that collapse comes gradually—then suddenly.
Ironic that I moved Here during what some have dubbed the “back to the land” movement. Back to the land—to escape the madness of growing consumerism, political turmoil, & the threat of toxic air, toxic food & the grip of big pharma.
Here, to make love, not war. Here. To Be Here Now.
My eyes are wide open & have been for a long time. Each of us must now appraise our situation/locale for most likely collapse scenario. For me, here, I know in part how it will unfold.
Gradually, the past two years, my neighborhood changed. What was once a neighborhood of young home schooling families, wealthy retirees with prized asparagus beds, skilled carpenters, & bee keepers—has been replaced by
sleazy, meth-head “security” guards for the out of town owners of marijuana grows that have taken over & driven everyone out. I will be one of the last to go.
Here, after SHTF, first serious trouble here will come from “neighbors,” Next will be motorcycle gangs. Off the interstate, they will follow the two lane highway that follows the riverbank until they reach my neck of the woods. They know the route well. I’ve seen rough biker gangs on “holiday” pass thru a time or two every summer. They have never lingered after a few craft beers at the local pub. That will change.
If younger, I would have moved to a safer locale years ago, But who knew a pretty little woodland homestead off the beaten path would need to be abandoned? Perhaps I will manage to pull it off, sell & move. Trouble, of course, is everywhere.
In NM, I must make a different choice, quickly master rainwater collection, & find a like-minded community. I am fully aware that I could be an early casualty. This is true for all of us. Best to make our peace with that.
If, by some miracle, I survive initial SHTF, I will be delighted to find myself alive! For I am no Ninja Warrior. Meantime. I try to stay focused & keep my sense of humor. I’ve had a lot of hilarious (perhaps hysterical?) fun on this forum. Thanks all, good tonic.
(Hope this does not sound maudlin, or worse, flippant.)
I’ve unloaded the buckboard & after a long day in town yesterday intend to spend afternoon on deck with my baby Bushnells, birdwatching & communing with my pots & pots of gaudy geraniums.
After a full day in town I’m probably still too weird & may regret hitting “post comment”—but I’ll just have to risk it. wink
Meant to take credit for my post!
Marilyn
Hey Cinderella, many of us are disillusioned flower children. It is not funny how the divide in society has turned peace-loving people into gun toting defense preppers. You will do well because of your wide range of experience in many cultures and situations. If you feel threatened, make the move for peace of mind.
Just to clarify, I was never your San Fran type flower child but more of a back to the lander. It took nearly a lifetime to become more self-sufficient – amazing how much pull the establishment has on a person and how much it costs to opt out.
hermit us
“I was never your San Fran type flower child”
That’s only because you weren’t there to see Janis Joplin with Big Brother & The Holding Company live at Golden Gate Park.
(Now that’s what I call that cultural deprivation!)
Cinderella
not depraved, err deprived. I know that scene because I saw “Forest Gump” lol
Hi Marilyn,
I think you are doing all anyone can do, and really what most of us are doing in our own ways. You keep an eye on what’s going on around you, try to have a realistic view of what would happen when/if things go very wrong, plan and execute, and try to keep your perspective and sense of humor. Life its to be lived, the best we can, for the time we have. So, watch some birds, enjoy your garden, drink a great bottle of wine… and keep planning and executing. 🙂
So Cal Gal
Thank you for those wise and kind words!
Especially re keeping perspective. Having a little trouble with that one today. Not joking about spending entire in town making me weird for a day. LOL
If you are in NM, look around the state, there are places of refuge like the one I am in where you can feel safe and know you are in a good place if the shtf.
old lady
You got that for sure….. Except for that huge “M” on the mountain out yar back door…. HAHAHA
Not sure what “M” you are talking about. The plains are way down and out the back door and S. Crosby out the front.
old lady
was thinking Magdalena Mountain
Just thought of that this morning, it is about 45-50 miles away across the plains
old lady
Thank you! I look forward to getting there. Know NM pretty well, as I am a SW native. But haven’t been there recently, or with previous idea of taking up residence. I need a good look around.
Marilyn
I gata toss in my 3¢ worth.
First of all; the Neighborhood going to-hell-in-a-handbasket…. Exactly what happen back in 1980 when it became time for this old-fart and late wife to skedaddle out of that foreign Country they now call California. It took only 8 years for San Diego area to go from 1 million to over 3 million….. and some SOME even moved there from the other 49 States.
“I’ve had a lot of hilarious (perhaps hysterical?) fun on this forum. Thanks all, good tonic.” Ahhhhh heck, you’ve not seen us get fired up about the correct way to hang a roll of TP…. Quite the hoot for sure.
As far as being a “Ninja Warrior” ahhhhh heck girl, this old Buddhist is a very peace loving soul, until ya cross the line, FYI I don’t move my line like some past presidents have. Somewhere there is a religious passage about turning the other cheek, A lot of us out in this neck of the woods, it only takes once getting clobbered.
NRP
Found your TP article, btw. Outstanding!
By not a Ninja Warrior what I meant was, aside from owning & sometimes having to use them in defense or dispatch of livestock, I have no tactical training. I need a good scope for my 10/22. I’ve learned it’s good to get CC permit in AZ, which has reciprocal agreement with most all other states.
Ammo is expensive in CA, but I have about 80 # all together. A combo of 22 long & various 20 gauge–could use more slugs. Not bad for a flower child.
I am in need of a medium size/weight revolver—probably a a ,357. I’ll wait till I get where I am going before deciding. As it is, I will have to transport 10/22 & 870 with me when I make the move.
I have spent over four decades homesteading, including dispatching many well-loved sheep & goats in butchering season. Killing in defense would be easier than dispatching a beloved old milking doe…
What concerns me is that, for now, I am completely on my own. My old community have all scattered & moved away. If collapse comes while I am here I will be fish in a barrel.
No back up. Whatsoever.
BTW, Like all highly intelligent people, I roll from the top.
Marilyn
I like the 10-22, have (ahhhhhh more than one) I do a 22 competition shoot with one I have trickled out, a LOT easier on the shoulder than some of the other Boom Boom’s. As far as a scope, I do not buy cheap ‘glass’, if ya can’t see it ya can’t hit it is my theory. I spent almost 5 times as much on that scope as I did the Ruger.
Ammo, has CA started to do background checks for buying Ammo yet? I know there was talk of it.
As far as a handgun, I like the Semi-Autos better myself (not the 1911’s though), simply because of capacity of the Mags. The 357 is a fine cartridge, but you can get as good of “knock-down” power from a slightly more modified cartridge and it won’t kick nearly as much, now some are going to tell ya the dependability of the Revolver is better that the Semi…. I personally not had a problem with a good quality Semi, but each to their own.
Remington 870 20GA …. Impressive.
Smart to wait till ya move, I hear CA is a PITA to get a decent firearm in anymore….. and forget about getting a CCL there. BTW, ever try to shoot a Fish in a Barrel? Not as easy as most would think.
Top Roller huh? HAHAHA I like to mess with guest I sometimes have over, I pull the center tube from the roll and tape the outside, so ya have to pull it from the center of the roll… HAHAHA Yeah I’m that way 🙂
Cinderella
Roll off the top – what a keeper you are.
hermit us
What a sweet dog you are!
And we’re just getting “rolling”.
hermit us
You are a bad influence on me. But I can’t help myself, so I am going to tell you another story about blue gloves.
Once upon a time, I lived with my new boyfriend in a big two story house in woods. It sat in the middle of twenty acres, surrounded by an old apple orchard. The house was for sale. Once in while the realtor would call & ask to bring buyers for a look.
It was summer & hot. We set up an old water bed in the shade of an apple tree. One warm afternoon when the mood struck, we headed out to the orchard. BF, spotted blue gardening gloves left nearby, donned them & chased me around the orchard. We were by then in the all together & laughing like lunatics.
Which explains why we didn’t hear our realtor when he called out, Hearing our laughter—he headed straight to us, clients in tow.
From that day forward, he never dropped in without calling first.
(Note to myself: never post following a long day in town.)
Cinderella
I related this story a long while ago, so staying with your naked admission I will repeat it briefly.
When I first moved to the wilderness, there were no people for a mile or two. There are other properties around and one within 400 yards of mine, but no neighbors. One day as I showered, I looked out the window and spotted a furry interloper trying to raid my flat and open bird feeder. I grabbed my robe and 870. As I went to the garden, I fired a load of bird shot, wounding the varmint. Not being cruel I wanted to finish it off and therefore ran across my back yard with nothing on but a robe a flapping as I ran. I fire a second shot and became aware of five or six people on the next property and they were running for their lives through the bush. It turns out that they were also being shown the property by a realtor. I don’t think he made the sale that day. Having related this story to friends, they have promised to buy me a camo hunting robe. I guess to stay on topic I must point out that this proved the division society between the “naked and the dressed” I think there is a book with a similar name.
hermit us
“I must point out that this proved the division society between the “naked and the dressed” I think there is a book with a similar name.”
The Naked and the Dead by Norman Mailer
A great book, btw, & a great novel. How clever the way you managed to so appropriately pair death & nakedness. So suitable for todays’ topic.
hermit us
I confess your tale of running, shooting & flapping deserves a better response. It is just that the leads were so plentiful. so juicy—I was nearly overcome with mischief.
But better a camo robe than a white hood. If you had thrown in the snow shoes I would have been done for. You kill me.
NRP
Thanks, glad to hear you approve of my ranch guns. I really like my 20 gauge 870, I bought the youth model, as I am petite & weigh little—it fit perfectly & no need to shorten the stock. Tho heavy, I opted for the walnut stock. It’s heavy to lug around, even with a neoprene sling, but as long as I keep the stock snug against my shoulder, the kick isn’t bad at all. I would suffer tho if I had to shot birds all day…
Your advice about good “glass” sounds right. Can’t shot what you can’t see. As to handgun: The first one I ever owned was a present from an old boyfriend when I was in college. It was a revolver, a Ruger Bearcat, I think.
I owned a semi once, don’t recall which make, but a good one. It jammed. That was it. And I don’t like the looks of semis. I am a romantic at heart plus I just like the looks of some revolvers. For CC—even a mid weight, which is what I want, you’ve just got to like you gun! Also, revolvers aren’t as finicky about being cleaned & ARE more dependable.
Case closed on revolvers.
Haven’t tried to buy ammo lately, so don’t know if new regs kicked in or not. Word was fingerprinting would be involved. Next, they’ll be drawing blood at the counter……As I am preparing to move, am trying not to add any more preps of any kind. Feels really strange, & since my hives are sold, & goats too, I feel a little naked. And am down to maintaining only 6 gallons of imported virgin olive oil, which really makes me nervous, Ha Ha.
Cinderella
But keep your blue rubber gloves. Best wardrobe description I’ve heard for a long while.
I have the same rifle. I am not petite. Doesn’t work well for hunting at all but would be OK for a large varmit problem.
Avoid crowds, they attract ordnance.
Gun control is is part of Alinsky’s rules for radicals, look it up.
Weapons and training in their use is part of being a survivalist, maybe the most important
tango
I agree, in my mind nothing is more important than defense, You can’t eat all that food if you’re dead. thanks for bringin that up. I hope people listen.
Oh, I’m listening. And I’m prepared for the coming social unrest. Without a good neighborhood plan to include a security plan, you are as good as dead. You can’t defend your home or property by yourself. We need to come together to defend our families and our property.
Last summer, my wife and I went t9 visit my aging mother and a sibling in farther NorCal. We stopped at a McDonalds for a “rest stop”, for my aging bladder. As we quickly walked out of that place (cleanest one around that town), I remarked to my wife flippantly, (rhetorical gallows humor), “…I didn’t see a soul I wouldn’t shoot…”,
Her come back was priceless, “what did you expect, it’s (fill in blank here)”!
That bunghole, was a bunghole when I first saw it as a kid, and hasn’t gotten a bit better. I truly doubt it ever will get even remotely less “trashy” ( as in kind of people). I won’t utter the name of that place, because it’s the county seat, and full of the Free-Cheese-Brigade members. There are a few decent areas there, but the operative word is FEW.
This Web site uses “survival” in the title. If you want to really survive, you better join the local gun club and practice your 2nd Amendment Rights. In the break-down, there will be no law…..only the law of violence and self preservation. It would help though if you stored lots of food and water.
Yosefg
You’ll get no argument from anyone here that I know of…..
BTW, yes this Buddhist is a life member of the local Gun Club, the NRA, and Ducks Unlimited. After all ya gata keep the reflexes sharp 289 out of 300 in Skeet is not so bad for an Old Man huh?
Opps, sorry that was Yosef, where that stuff I typed in came from I have NO idea.
Shooting another person is not an easy thing to do. You better be prepared for the aftermath. It will not be pleasant. People on this site talk a big story…..but when it really comes down to the actual killing of another person, it will be a real eye opener. My advise is if it really comes down to that, shoot straight, shoot to kill and keep you mags full at all times….and above all, keep you head straight.
I often wondered about that. I always felt I could shoot someone if I was or any of mine were threatened. But I never had to do it. I was in an abusive relationship once and flunked at standing up then, but that was then and I finally wised up and left. But shooting, who knows for sure until it happens. My husband was in Viet Nam and I know he could, and he always tells me, don’t hesitate or think about it, just shoot. I actually believe I could do it.
And realize you will lose part of your souland see the faces in your sleep, keep the Lord close
Afternoon all! Ken, you really know how to get a person soul-searching. Wow. In the heat of the moment, no problems. It’s the after effects no one is talking about. Some may not have a problem, some will crack and breakdown.
As with most, I will have no reservations whatsoever defending my rights against anyone/agency. I will need some form of heads up however to make sure the family gets out/away or to initiate “Plan C” if its a must. That has already been discussed with my mother, but not wife. If I have to go defending their right to have a free life, so be it. I would rather them be free and safe with the rest of the family then have all of us dying of hunger, exposure, or whatever else is happening.
The soul-searching comes in after the “situation” has ended. There will be things that will have to be cleaned up and disposed of. It’s “The Quiet After the Storm” some will have the problem with. It will be a time of pure emotion. Some of them, most of us have been fortunate in never having to deal with. Some have, and hopefully have learned to cope and live with the decision they made in the “moment”.
I think this is something everyone should begin to consider as part of their prepping. Being mentally, emotionally and (if applies) spiritually prepared with the possible outcomes of defending your rights.
Jon
Fortunately I have never had a troubled conscience after doing the right thing – only for not acting when I should have stepped up – won’t happen again.
@ hermit us… I have no doubts about the man who greets the way you will. 😉 like I said though, given the nature and situation of some here, some may want to think it through on how they will be after the fact all the way to the “end”. Cheers again for your garbage bag scabbard!
Jon
Having witnessed how some people react to carnage at vehicular accidents and fires, shows how some freeze and some get to work. Some carry the experience for ever and need therapy to help them. I see life and death for what it is. What would a person do when 100 million perish – way beyond comprehension – so get past it.
Security for my family comes first. With multiple water boil alerts we have seen how the “public” can react. Two men were going to come to blows over a case of water one time. Told my son(who insisted on escorting me) not to look at them directly and we exited the convenience store. Drove 5 miles and picked up a little extra just in case. Have seen Police called in to monitor the water delivery to a sams club. I would prefer to use the grey man approach of having to avoid a bad situation, however i hope i am prepared if there is no other choice because i will defend my family. I have told my children if anything ever happens wherever they are to slip out or away, blend in and get to where they need to be when shtf. Martial Law- that scares me….. everything i have ever been taught was to respect and follow orders of police/military… still not sure how i would react having to give everything i have up to them or being taken away by them. Scary scary thought
When the SHTF and all hell breaks lose, I’m probably toast anyway when the barbarian hordes come to visit. One house, several guns, two shooters, and 8 Windows on the main floor make an Alamo situation if we don’t get out of Dodge first. Even then chances are slim. I live in a decent neighborhood but we’re prime targets as white middle class people. Neighbors banding together, isn’t happening here. It will be like rats running from a sinking ship. UHey, I’m 65, I’ve lived a fine life and if I get wasted, so be it, I’ll fight the best I can using the military training I have but I’m realistic, my chances are slim to none. I’m a good shot and I know I can pull the trigger when I have to, I’ve had that occasion in the past 1971-72 in a fine vacation spot all paid for by Uncle Sugar called Vietnam as a 11B infantryman. I have no qualms taking a life in a do or die situation. I can get just as crazy as crazy gets.. However, I’m not John Wayne anymore. Reading the posts I agree with the person who said situational awareness and being a greyman or graywomen is the smartest move. I don’t play well with others so groups are out. I’d rather my wife and I be out on our own. I feel confident in the woods but I can’t survive there for long term. I just guess we’ll have to see what happens as I learned back in 71, all plans change with contact..
Broadwing
You can reverse the Alamo scenario and make them delay or run – play El Deguello (no quarter) as loud as you can stand. If you got to go, you might as well have some fun for a while. The last thing to do as you breath your last, is to light that gasoline bomb to deny them everything.
Hermit us,
Good idea! I do like the No Quarter song, only problem is not many nitwits even know what it means today. I do plan to burn it down before I BO anyway..
The Antifa revolution of Nov 4th and following days may lead to curfews, martial law and demonstrators being shot on sight. I doubt the police and first responders will quietly die as they are stabbed or shot by the young and not so young punks. My guess is that mass arrests and detention in FEMA camps and coffins will be the result for many demonstrators and hooligans. I believe that the National Guard will be called in. Mandatory ID and checkpoints will ensue. The rebellious young idle punks will be the first residents of the FEMA coffins. The police cannot take a chance as they are targetted so Johnny or Janie rebel could easily end up dead if they do not behave. There will be no Ferguson or Baltimore riots, looting or burning of vehicles. No rubber bullets or tear gas but the real thing. Decent familes may be encouraged to home school their kids for safety. People will spend most of their time at home for safety and night entertainment will cease to exist. Restaurants, bars and movie theatres will be gone and the smart restaurants will deliver food to the secured home.
lady jane
I’m going to disagree. When push comes to shove, most of these punks will melt away, I hope. I just do not see enough serious motivation to risk death. They tried this crap at a few Trump rallies and when it became clear that the general population would not support them, it was over – except for a few crazies.
Hi all. I too will be crossing my fingers on Nov 4 but you should consider the sheer size of the task at hand. The usual paid leftists will show up in the usual leftist cities such as Baltimore, Chicago and Berkeley where they are allowed to riot, and I fully expect some ISIS cells may activate as well. Watch carefully for alliances forming between ISIS and Antifa! But this relatively tiny force (with nonstop biased coverage from MSM) cannot possibly cause problems on a national level, but certainly will in more than a few locations. I do not expect anything in my tiny town…
Sure wish DOJ and FBI would get off their cans and prosecute some people for SEDITION, or is that not a thing anymore?
I don’t see widespread gun confiscations, even if “martial law” is declared. Even in the event of widespread civil disorder with a desire by some political “leaders” to confiscate guns, lack of manpower and refusal by the majority of street cops to participate would prevent it.
While legislation passed after 9/11 speaks to martial law and suspension of constitutional protections, in reality, the overwhelming majority of the cops who would be expected to enforce it would refuse. All the cops I knew and worked with saw the Bill of Rights as something that was not granted by the government, rather were God given or natural rights, therefor, not something the government can take away. Any such over-reach by “authorities” would surely insure immediate deterioration into all out rebellion. In such a scenario, even the military would quickly collapse back to their individual “tribes”. Maybe local attempts would be tried, but they too would be destined to fail.
Personally, as a veteran and retired career police officer, I would consider the government authority as null and void the moment they suspend the only constitutional rights enumerated as untouchable by the constitution itself. If our constitutional republic suspends the constitution, they in effect have dissolved that government. Anyone representing that illegal authority would be viewed as a threat to me and my family.
The numbers don’t support confiscation. The last estimate I read was 300+ million guns in the hands of 60 million gun owners, and that’s low-balling it. You have to assume that half the population of the US is under 18, so out of 180 million adults more than one in three own a gun. Confiscation under those circumstances would be suicide. They won’t confiscate, but they will try to eat the elephant a bite at a time.
Lauren
Or slow death by a thousand cuts (to our freedoms). Please don’t mention food with NRP in the room.
The question is– will the LEO’S stand down or will they enforce the law?
If they stand down, as they may be told, chaos will reign.
Everyone in the area will be on their own.
If that is the case,get the hell out and do not listen to any authority!
Go like hell
tango
Some will stand down, some will enforce the law.
Many credible analysts believe that, if collapse is chaotic enough, UN troops will be called in. There is much talk that UN troops are already housed on American soil–
& I’ve seen a great deal of youtube footage showing rail cars loaded with mile after mile of huge transport truck bearing UN insignias. A possibility, something to think about.
Tango, Regarding “get the hell out” if you live/have property in the area where rioters are; Ah no, time to lock and load and take up defensive positions. If LEOS stand down then, you are in a shtf situation already. Besides by their actions “they are domestic terrorists”.
hermit us
Squirrel skins? Why, that’ll be the new camo.
I can almost picture you now. It’s late Spring.
In your show shoes, squirrel skin boxers & white hood—maintaining full situational awareness (Damn bird feeder needs refilling) you plod cautiously back to your cave. You’ve scavenged a big pocket full of brass (yes!) & hope for a quiet evening, reloading in front of the fire.
PS I may be psychic, but disentangling each obtuse thread of double entendre
in your responses requires finesse. Any chance you speak Serbo Croatian?
No? Then how about Mandarin?. Classic Greek? How about altar boy Latin?
Never mind. A wink is all you need anyway.
Cinderella
Nothing as exotic as those – just of simple Scandinavian heritage. Nothing obtuse here but taking on societal collapse in a strait forward way. You paint an accurate picture of my future existence except for my new hunting attire – a Ghillie suit adorned with squirrel tails. I think your intuitiveness senses some double meaning in my comments – anything to fire up the imagination.
hermit us
“…anything to fire up the imagination.” Do you mean yours or mine? To what end? And what is the significance of your being of “simple Scandinavian heritage”?
My heritage is British Isles, but means little to me as my Irish grandmother arrived at Ellis Island in 1848. She was just a girl of 14. A refugee of the potato famine. I did not inherit a weakness for potatoes, LOL, but have learned to like them since growing them myself.
BTW, I keep meaning to comment on your “raised beds”; When you build something, you BUILD it. A thousand years from now, when some new life form is excavating your neck of the woods those planters might still stand. It is so well thought out, attractive, & obviously appropriate technology for your area. Bravo!
I can’t think of any place in the US where you’d have done better from a survival standpoint. Is your house built even part way underground? No matter, judging by your “raised beds” I am guessing your home is *well *hardened. LOL
Whatever you do, though—never spend a quiet evening reloading +in front of the fire*!
(You missed that quip, amazing—since you don’t miss much.)
Cinderella
You would not know, but I only have a little over 18,000 rounds of ammo so reloading never crossed my mind. I was in the fire service for 12 years and saw my share of stupid actions – poor storage of gun powder, washing with volatile fluids around open flame, lighting a grass fire on a windy day, …. and so many more. If this crap in the country gets any worse, I intend to build a combination shop and living quarters as an above ground bunker. Ya I know how and it will look like any ordinary metal clad storage building. People proof, vehicle proof, even heavy equipment proof – to a point.
your imagination – I’m a giving person lol
hermit us
Lighten up! I was only teasing you, as usual. It is perfectly plain to me that, even with the little I know of you yet, your are clearly in command of your situation. It’s obvious…
I never meant my little scenario to be anything but a bit of fun. It has been thru your sense of humor that I have learned a lot about you. About the things that really matter to me—like the fact you are intelligent and witty & best of all, that you GET it.
Ammo is all fine and good, but in the long haul, without intellectual stimulation and “amusing” company none of the rest is worth anything.
] have have a too much joie de vivre for that!
Blue glove & hermit us
Do I need to read this an keep my girls in line ???????
NRP
That depends. Who are your girls?
Do you need to keep them in line?
Anything I can do to help?
NRP
Besides, I think it is me who might need help.
NRP
This is all your fault anyway. You see how things get out of control when you are not here to monitor the situation. And I thought all you guys were so big on situational awareness. Go figure.
Marilyn & Cinderella, Please pick one alias name and stick with it. Its not cool to use multiple identities… dishonest actually.
Ken
Dont beleive there is any dishonesty involved at all. Beleive the second name was picked up from a comment. Even the “Blue Gloves”was from a comment.
Understood the multi name concern, but dont beleove in this case there was any “dishonestly” involved
just saying
I must have missed how it came about. Apparently harmless in this instance…
I’m sensitive to multiple alias names being clandestinely used by one person due to some issues from the past.
Ken
I’m probably the most culpable for the multiple names. I picked it up from another poster and ran with it as a bit of fun. Because so many hide behind the “anonymous” tag, I did not honestly think it would be a problem – my apologies.
Marilyn, Cinderella, Blue-Gloves…
Please undrestand Ken dose a GREAT job of running a BLOG. He is also concerned with OPSEC and Security for us all. With having over 35 million visitors in the past 8-9 years he’s done a hell of a job. So please dont take it personally.
Maybe we got you into trouble by leading ya on. Sorry. I also know Ken well enough to understand his concern….
NRP aka grumpy old fart aka old man aka azzhole aka 🙂
PS; Have found Ken is not as mean as he seems, or he would have banned me a LONG time ago 😁
Marilyn
Ya, it is wonder I haven’t been booted for picking on NRP – all in jest of course. We will respect your tag and apologize for getting you that noodle whipping.
Ken
Perhaps you can lock it the names as it was before if they are important to your site. Personally, I do not care who knows my real name because I have more than one clandestine residence. Opsec is a personal responsibility.
Cat herding can be a challenge.
Ken, with some of the dialogue of the last few days, have you thought of starting a dating/love connection category.
Hey A
Contrary to the segment of our population that want to tear down all the values that make our country great, I suggest that relationships are very important to our survival. These days of fewer face to face interactions between people due to social media, communication in just about any form is important. Not only to hear different feels and opinions, but just to feel part of the human existence.
They are promoting that we are no longer just humans, but need to be labeled as to our sexuality. Anything to divide us, segregate us, and have us protest each other.
Hunh? I thought that the latest craze was no sexual identity………
aka
There is that list of letters they throwing in our face
not sure but “LGBT…. and more. Sure looks like labeling to me.
On the radio I recently caught the tail end of some news from BBC.
I distinctly heard the phrase “gender assignment.”
Like something from Blade Runner, the novel by Philip K. Dick.
It made my blood run cold.
Say goodnight, George.
Goodnight, Gracie
hermit us – I believe that you get to pick which letter ‘fits’ you on any given day or time……..
hermit us
“I’m curious as to what letter a troglodyte like me would be assigned.”
I am just dying to hear the answer to that question! (Now, scuttle back down into your subterranean crate)
Cinderella
Are you putting down a cave dweller? You know that after the SHTF, we all will be troglodytes. And I have enough squirrel pelts to make the best Flintstone outfit.
Good night ZEE? I think this is one gender assignment – yuk
I’m curious as to what letter a troglodyte like me would be assigned.
I am guessing many you are aware of the “scenario” videos made by youtube prepper SouthernPrepper1.
If you have not seen them, have a look. He has dozens of videos, but start with those designated “scenarios.” For many of us, there is much to be learned, on a wide variety of prepping/SHTF topics. The “scenario” videos are incredibly well produced & well thought out.
More on SouthernPrepper1 scenarios:
Since there are numerous posts re aftermath of taking a life—even when warranted for defense, check out his scenario video that covers that theme.
You will not be disappointed.
I do not know where the UN troops are, or wher they are supposed to be.
I have not seen any, and have not seen a single piece of UN equipment anywhere.
By the time UN troops show up on any scene, the only folks left will be sheeple and fools!
Course that is my opinion, YMMV
We are ready. All the better if it kicks off while we have snow pack and no lights. Just sayin’…
KevinH
Just have to keep a smaller, clean burning fire for a while or propane for less of a smoke signal.
kevinH
“We are ready. All the better if it kicks off while we have snow pack and no lights.”
Kicks off? You make it sound like a football game.
By your lights maybe we should all be stocking up on rancid peanuts & hot dogs.
No one could ever be truly ready for what could come. Do all you can, but don’t ever get cocky. It’s dangerous.
KevenH
I apologize, That was uncalled for.
Sometimes I am just a sucker for a good lead.
Many are resigned as to the future of our country. It may sound fatalistic but when you have done all you can, and feel you have covered the predicable challenges, sit on the porch, sip the refreshment, and eat the popcorn. What will be will be.
KevinH
we all know what you mean.
So, did anyone else sit on the back porch tonight and watch the full moon rise drinking a glass on Australian Port?
PS; Where the hell has Ken been all day?????? Gets us all fired up and disappears, SHEEEEESEZZZZZE
NRP
I took a peek. I am enjoying a decent glass of Cabernet and doing damdest to instill a healthy dose of paranoia where needed. I must have done too good a job, cause now I spooked myself and will stay up too late online checking my sources for intel
.Over and out.
Working on the barn all day.. glad to see lots of comments. A serious subject indeed.
Did you check out the spray foam?
That hunters moon is always awesome this time of year.
Crap. Now I just read on ZH that English may not continue to be the predominant language in this country for much longer – Seems the last straw is if DACA’s are allowed to stay and cause chain citizenship. How this for a divide.
sorry – that was Breitbart not ZH
To hermit us: in response to: “most of us are not as well trained as you”.
Having a functioning brain during a time of civil unrest is independent of level of training. Some people with all kinds of training and education will make bad decisions and sometimes, the bad decision making process is readily visible. ( especially if the person trying to be leader has a loud voice and a big ego to match said voice.) These are the people to distance yourself from. Those people are dangerous and can get others killed.
Having a uniform and a badge does not always lead to the best decisions made under duress. Those us that have taken and carried out orders and have lived long enough to issue orders under duress look for 2 things: 1. Absence of fear. 2. Gray hair. Making decisions under duress is not something a sane person would want as sometimes, the result is people being injured or killed.
As I get older, my coworkers look to me with increasing frequency to work in difficult situations. Must be the gray hair ( whats left of it.). Others on this site can go on officer ride alongs and ask intelligent questions about staying safe as a civilian in what ever neighborhood you find yourself in. Have your questions preprepared ahead of time. Most patrol officers will answer your questions honestly. When you meet a cop, working or retired, ask them what their experience has been. and what would they do in a given circumstance.
The same advice I pass along this site is the same urban survival hints I pass on to others that ask me questions on the street, in public and at gatherings. ( some examples include: parking at the edge of a parking lot and watching the activity inside a convenience store for 1 full minute before going inside after the sun goes down. This prevents you from walking into the middle of an armed robbery. Better yet, go to the big, bright supermarket down the road or wait until morning to pick up those diapers and the carton of smokes. Shopping at the convenience stores at midnight the bad part of town is a risk taking activity. Driving defensively because others around you may not take the privilege of driving as seriously as you do. Take a look around you next time you are at a stop light and ask yourself who may be drunk or stoned behind the wheel in surrounding vehicles. The road ragers are easier to spot and pretty loud.)
Civil unrest is pretty easy to spot and I would think most on this site would get away from it as quick as possible. The trouble is, It can spark off just about anywhere and grow from small to big very quickly. While at work, you may come out from work and find you are walking into a conflict zone. I do not know of any “Training” that can prepare one for that scenario. Special High Intensity Training: also known by acronym: S.H.I.T.
I hope and pray that these thugs eat Fentanyl or Carfentanyl for breakfast then just fade away. The funeral industry will do very well as ma and pa bury their precious dead thug punks. I can only hope that the National Guard will severely deal with these useless thugs and not hesitate to shoot them en masse. Poland was under martial law and I cannot believe that the United States would permit a bunch of pothead thugs to ruin the nation. Perhaps this is why the authorities were buying up billions of rounds of ammo, installed fema camps to round up agitaters, etc. This is an insult to working age and retired persons. Any freeway blockage by these thugs should result in law enforcement shooting them dead. People need to go to work, take their kids to school, go shopping, etc. I believe curfews will exist for social order. I also believe that Antifa violence is not limited to the US but will spread to Canada, Europe, Australia, maybe China. Smart parents will control their children, even if the child is 20. Antifa organisers will be rounded up. I believe the military will patrol colleges and universities to control the thugs. Taxpayers contribute money to these institutions and do not want to see them fire bombed. Many taxpayers survived the 1930s and world war two hardships and have no tolerance for these spoilt thugs. If whites, Christians, etc, are targetted, there will be extreme hatred against non whites, non Christians, homosexuals, etc. Antifa, you can call this off now or suffer the consequences. For revenge, I anticipate the military and police executing homosexuals, non whites and non Christians and no jury will find them guilty if Antifa goes ahead with their homicidal plans. All affirmative action programs will go out the window. No white or Christian landlord will rent to people outside their own demographic. Young women who are out at odd hours and get raped will be on their own. Young men who go out at odd hours and get assaulted will be on their own. People who disobey curfews or other restrictions will be asking for the consequences. The police will leave the south side of Chicago to self implode and will consider it a no go zone. Private security firms will do very well. Many 911 calls will remain unanswered as they will be viewed through the lens of safety to the first responders. House to house searches by the authories will be the norm and no bleeding heart lawyer will be heard. Martial law in Poland, the War Measures Act in Canada to quell the FLQ, the search for the Boston Bomber which resulted in lockdown. Antifa has no idea in what is coming, not by their arch enemies, the alt right, but by ordinary citizens who employ the police and military to guard them.
Lady Jane are you interested in history? What you have described could be easily placed in Ireland from 1960 through 1990 during what the Irish call the time of trouble. Sectarian violence between the (to use current thoughts) Identity Politics of Catholics and Protestants. 30 bloody years with the British Army trying to control it with martial law and police actions.
News flash as a retired soldier serving in several war zones/police actions I am sorry to say that tired, scared, frustrated, hungry, angry soldiers/police do BAD Things. Nobody is safe, this is not a video game, ID of the friendlies and enemy is often Impossible. You can be robbed, raped, killed and such from the above soldiers/police. I’ve seen it in Bosnia.
Antifa WANTS Chaos, once the average citizen is in as much fear of the police/soldiers as anything else “We the people of the UNITED States of America” is completely Dead.
Personally I do not care if your homosexual, brown, black or whatever. I care if you are a Good Neighbor or not.
If the best available Medic was a flaming homosexual but a good neighbor and willing to help you and yours could you get past his/her/it’s sexual identity?
Wake up folks the powers that be want us to focus on our differences not there evil plans to harm All of US. History shows clearly the Communist Revolutionaries are the first purged by the now New Elite. Antifa is Lenin’s Useful Idiots. We need to crush them while creating bonds of good neighbors.
Please remember that a gun is a Tool not a rod of God’s wrath. it’s been said that if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. We need to think better, plan better and work with our good neighbors (hopefully including local Law Enforcement) to survive this chaos storm and rebuild our Republic.
Good Night all
NH Michael
The problem isn’t that specific individuals will be turning on their neighbors. The problem is the normal human tendency to assign blame based on visible or known characteristics. If it’s mostly black people making trouble, any black person will be assumed to be the enemy. If it’s mostly white people, or LGBT, or law enforcement, those people or those who associate with them will be targeted. It’s simple human nature.
Unfortunately that human tendency isn’t limited to one group. Another group see’s “their kind” being attacked, even if “their kind” is a bunch of rioting thugs, and the natural human tendency is to see the attackers as the enemy even if they’re only defending themselves.
This has been pointed out a number of times, and the person pointing it out is generally vilified. Not here specifically, but in general. Lady Jane is right. If this keeps up, anyone not-like-me will be the enemy to the majority of the population. If LGBT keep pushing and pushing and pushing, eventually the “rest” will push back. If blacks, or whites, or any other demographic keeps pushing and pushing and pushing, sooner or later…
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet. This may be the trigger or it may be just one more short-lived riot. But there’s someone behind all this with an excellent knowledge of human nature, who’s using all the useful idiots, of whatever stripe.
I heard something yesterday about what “they” (the bad guys) are calling a “purge”. Something along the lines of breaking into homes (masked and in large groups) that they think would have guns, and stealing them so they will have more tools in their arsenal. Perhaps while parts of their “group” are creating mayhem and chaos in the city centers, making it harder for police to help those being rushed upon and robbed in the rural or suburban areas.
Sounds kooky to me, because they would most likely get shot!! Unless…. a.) the house is empty, or….b.) the rushing in of a large group would render the person/people in the home disoriented and unable to defend themselves quickly enough.
But even if that sceneriou doesn’t happen, these crack pot thugs are planning something and are funded by rich psychopaths bent on destruction, so I am NOT liking this one bit.
They are scheming and planning just like Satan who prowls around seeking who he can kill or destroy. We need to be vigilant.
But when all is said and done, I’ve read the final chapter, and God wins! And regardless of what happens here on this earth, those who love the Lord have the blessed and beautiful hope of eternity spent with Him! This place is only temporal anyway.
True Americans will defend their family, faith and country to the end!!
May God comfort and strengthen the families of the Americans who were just murdered at that concert! May they be at complete peace with the Lord in Heaven.
And may the good guys left here stand firm and be ready to protect and defend.
I may be a grown woman, but I wish my dad was still here!
They’ve been talking about it for a while. Every time there’s a “protest” someone starts making noise about “We don’t need to own guns. We’ll come get yours.” One group intended to target a gun store, of all things. Usually short-lived, as you might imagine. But the same rhetoric pops up the next time.
hermit us
“In a social collapse, it would be good to have like minded people around.
What does your psychic mind tell you?”
The pen is mightier than the sword.
And apparently more controversial.
I’ve learned something more: you are a gentleman.
A rose by any other name is still a rose.
wink
Marilyn
Unfortunately, in a social collapse, that rose also needs a lot of thorns. Thanks for the compliment.
I wish you peace of mind and time to smell the flowers. And stay away from that urban nightmare place.
hermit us
“And stay away from that urban nightmare place.”
Will do. I miss San Francisco, but will no longer set foot there.
The reason I sold Ericson32 a few years ago.
Still a little salt in my veins.
May I ask a question? Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that it was in Judge Bork’s book ” Slouching Towards Gomorrah ” that I read that the campus participation in the anti-war protests during Vietnam, was about 17%. Although it certainly sounded as if the entire country was involved. Could it be possible that the same could be true this time as well? With the protesters anyway. Albeit, the Trojan horse is inside the gate awaiting nightfall.
Have not posted in some time due to poor cell signal. Like so many of you I have quote felt a bad storm rising. This new attempt by the left to start their revolution may well be the start of a new civil war. Like many of you I am a Vet and feel that all here are alike in our love of country and our chosen life style. To all I would say stand firm and I think we will prevail,God put us here at this time and place for a reason and I feel it is to prevail over his and our foes. Now I am not an overly religious man but I believe this. Yes it is going to be a hard fight that non of us want but it does look like it will be ours. In my mid sixties now and hoped for that quiet life but I am gearing up for the fight,luck to all. Hope this post goes out!
Trying to post from phone, bare with me. Some points (but Not all)
– know your neighbors. Plan ahead WITH them if possible. Know ahead of time whether they will be friend or foe if possible.
– establish your zones and lines. Ensure all in your household know and understand them; i.e.- safety areas, retreat directions, meet up locations, fields of fire, personal distance warning line (15 – 20 ft), kill line (10 – 15 ft), property warning and kill lines
– understand what you are more likely to face based on your environment; i.e.- urban, suburban, rural, predominate class of people, natural challenges (terrain, weather)
– talk about and PRACTICE tactics, especially confrontations in house, at the door, on the property
More later if I can get some pc time
Re: retreat directions. When I was a teenager my parents took in a young woman who was being abused at home. I’m sure I wasn’t privy to everything that was going on, but they set up retreats for her–out the back door (or front door if the abusers came to the back) go to a certain neighbor’s house who would take her to the first of the “safe” areas where Mom and Dad could retrieve her after the danger was past. We didn’t (and don’t) have good lines of retreat–if they’d ever left someone in the car while the other came to the door she would have been seen leaving the house. If you have retreats, safety areas, meet up locations, consider how people are supposed to get to those and lines of fire FROM the house to those retreating.
Know Your Neighbors: Just what is says… try to know as much as possible about your neighbors! I could write an article about stuff like this but here’s a short version as promised since I grabbed some pc time:
Do they exhibit Good Moral Character?
Do they show themselves to be trustworthy?
Are they preppers? Deeeeep pantry or a few days worth? (And I’m sure NRP would advise finding out how much TP they keep in stock!)
Any current/former military, law enforcement, paramedic, healthcare training?
What are their views on firearms?
What are their views on using deadly force?
What are their views on what to do if the unprepared come calling?
Are they willing to practice together with your family things such as perimeter defense, engaging hostile attackers, using communications, etc.?
What skills do they have and do they compliment/mesh well with yours? Hunting, fishing, foraging, gardening, food preservation, medical knowledge, etc.
Are they close enough physically to combine force and defend both households?
Are you comfortable with the idea of them retreating to your home if theirs is overrun or too gravely threatened/damaged and vice versa?
What are their views on sharing supplies?
What are their views on coordinating preps such as one household may go more for canning and gardening while the other goes more for meat preservation, hunting, fishing.
How often do you and your neighbors engage in social activity together such as cook outs, pool parties, etc.?
How often does your neighbor lend a hand with work and how often do you help them?
Are there large age gaps; i.e.- one household is retired and the other a young family? This could be complimentary to both, but be aware that viewpoints may differ, especially on religious and social issues.
That’s the short list. Get to know your neighbor(s) well enough to determine if you should get to know them better than that!
Cultivate friendship, trust, and dependability between yourself and the neighbors you have that are worthy of it. Figure out how prepared they are, how prepared they want to be, and if they have your back or are just looking to stick a knife in it.
@restoringBrad, Good comment. Important. Know who is around you.
“Most people have never had to defend themselves or their property and it will be difficult to grasp, understand, or accept the logic of violence.”
Ken, nothing could be more true if you are a straight, white, male, Christian. For the rest of us, violence and the potential for violence is something we live with every day.
I learned a long time ago that there is no such thing as Constitutional or civil rights on the street. You only get that in the courtroom, and then only if you’re lucky enough to have a good judge or jury. Try prosecuting a LEO for rape if you happen to have too dark of a skin color. While white people are whining about POC “taking a knee” during the anthem, I say take a knee cap of every murdering SOB hiding behind the badge.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that many of us have been living in WORL equality for a long time because of our skin color, gender, or sexual orientation. At least on the streets. It’s different in the courtroom, at least sometimes. My biggest prep is defending myself from straight, white, Christian men.
Skibum, I’m not going to go down the rabbit hole on that one and will bite my tongue so as not to start a flame war and violate my own comment policies.
That said, I will say this… If you think it’s bad now (on the streets where you live), then imagine how bad it will be when there truly is no rule of law (post SHTF). That was the point of my article – to suggest how people will have to defend for themselves and for their own rights.
Most definitely it WILL make a BIG difference depending on where you live with regards to how bad it will likely become. ‘Bad’ being WROL, chaos, and danger.
Certainly there are those who today experience and deal with the dangers of ‘the street’. And certainly there are those who have never experienced the dangers of ‘the street’.
ALL cities will devolve rapidly due to population density. Additionally, those cities which today suffer from high crime will become unimaginably horrific.
If and when we descend into social and societal breakdown (a true SHTF collapse of society and infrastructure), many of the social issues that you referred to (some have been calling it “social injustice”?) will be replaced by downright survival. Food. Water. Shelter. It won’t matter in that regard if you’re straight, gay, black, white, red, brown, Christian, a man, or a woman.
Honestly, Skibum, your sentiments surprise me because I thought that you were more logical and rational. I also took you to be ‘community oriented’, capable of working with others. From what you shared, you sound like a bitter, angry person who categorically hates law enforcement and white men. Sounds like an intolerant SJW, to me.
I don’t know how many law enforcement officers you have known, but I have known many from my past career and also in the off-duty times during shooting events. I also have a brother who’s a Deputy Sheriff. None of those individuals, and that includes the women LEOs I know (including a personal friend), are the racist homophobes that you believe them to be.
Sometimes personal bias can become so blinding that you really can’t see.
Modern Throwback,
I don’t know Skibum or his/her personal experiences with law enforcement officers, but I do know why so many have bought into the liberal/progressive meme of police bias and abuse. It is so much easier to buy into “victim-hood” than to embrace personal responsibility for mistakes and personal shortcomings. Anyone who takes the time and effort to do the research on the actual statistics and facts of police enforcement and interactions with the public will quickly find the media’s representation is far from the truth. Witness the “hands up don’t shoot” phrase that still gets credence every time this subject is discussed in the media, thoroughly debunked as never have happened. Questionable incidents where a police officer takes the life of a “person of color” are actually overshadowed several thousand to one by “people of color” being murdered by other “people of color”, yet Skibum believes white police are his/her biggest threat? Sad how the human mind can be manipulated so easily.
Skibum,,,,my family is mixed race ,, my grandmother five times removed was a house slave that was used ,,, I have a gay step son ,, that said I would like to chime in,,, life is what you make it ,yes shit happens but why? If your having problems look in the mirror ,,,that’s not a put down just fact ,,being black or tan is NOT the problem ,attitude is ,,,in 1960 I took a beautiful black cousin to the high school prom ,that cost me some friends I though I had , ,,,,sometimes you just got to do what’s right. ,, If you know your right and are willing to stand up for it your going the have to take some lumps ,,so don’t whine wham things get hard. ,,,whining is really pathetic on a grown man ,,
And LE are just a cross sample of people some good and some not so good
Life is what you make it
When, not wham
Skibum
Never though I would see the day when someone played the Gay/Religious/Race Card here on MSB, especially you……
And advocate violence.
Tis a sad day indeed. But I believe you have made your position very clear.
One thing I have noticed is the hatred of Christians and Jews everywhere, plus hatred of Hindus in India, Buddhists in Asia. I plan to move into an apartment condo when I retire because of the security of a live in superintendent, secure door entry, etc. I am looking for a place which is mostly 55 plus because I believe that they tend to be better neighbours. It won’t keep out all the illegal drug dealing but there will be expectations that illicit activity will be kept out. I wear a cheap timex watch when I actually wear a watch. Even if one is not wealthy, if people perceive you to be wealthy they will attack you and steal from you. I do not own the flashiest new toys due to finance and even if I won the lotto I would not have the latest and biggest electronics, etc. Even students on a budget have had their ordinary laptops stolen. My condo apartment will need to have a good sized pantry or laundry room with shelves for prepper supplies. I used to sleep better at night in an apartment condo than in a house. I tend to wear black coats with brighter accessories rather than owning a pink or purple coat. This assists me to blend in and be less noticed by the criminal element, suspicious persons. None of my tshirts have slogans on them.