It is amazing. There’s a big ammo shortage out there right now. All the ammo is gone! Well, not “all”, but I might as well say all – just to make a point.
These months have SHATTERED records for buying guns AND ammunition.
Do you remember the ammo shortage years ago when all of the .22LR disappeared from the shelves? And do you recall how long it took to get back to normal with just that one caliber?
Now think about our present day ammo shortage! Just about every caliber seems affected. They’re mostly all gone. Just for fun I searched several online ammo distributors and nearly every handgun caliber (for example) was gone. I searched on the most popular, 9mm, and it’s gone.
Like many of you, I enjoy target shooting from time to time. But nowadays, even though I’m well stocked with ammo, I hesitate to use it! Why? Because I can’t replace it! At least that’s what it seems.
Even if you have a thousand rounds of this and a thousands rounds of that (for example), it’s pretty easy to blow through a hundred rounds during a session, right? Next thing you know – your stack is getting lower – while replacements are hard to come by…
Given the status of our probable bumpy future (putting it mildly), many of you are likely hesitating yourself with regards to using your ammunition to practice your skill, right? It really is quite remarkable what is happening…
Why the ammo shortage? Who is buying it?
Concerned Americans.
Who can blame them? We’re living through a time of madness, craziness, upheaval, revolution. Our destiny is uncertain at best. So people prepare for the worst. One’s security – perhaps defense of country – is of utmost importance, so people shore up their preps in this regard. However the system can’t keep up. The ammo is gone. Guns too.
I really don’t know how long it might take for ammo manufacturers to catch up, and resupply to the extent of being somewhat “back to normal”. Concerned American Patriots will keep on scoffing up ammo as it becomes available. To what end?
I suppose it will keep happening until such time that those purchasing ammo feel “the threat” is diminished or over. Maybe that’s “if” Trump is victorious come November. Because the alternative outcome will surely continue to drain whatever is left of the supply chain for a very long time to come as the new Left Marxists will come for them. Heck, either way I don’t see this settling down for the foreseeable future.
Maybe these manufacturers can overcome this ammo shortage situation. But I’m not so sure about that…
Where can you find ammo today?
Okay, lets throw it out there to the MSB community. How bad are the ammo shortages near you? Are you finding much of anything out there? What about online (seems out-of-stock there too)?
This is crazy!
[ Read: Record Gun Sales 2020 ]
Rifle ammo is easier to get than handgun. But not .223/5.56. If you have an off chambered caliber, it might be easier. But 45mm, 9mm, 40, .38, all gone. If you can find it, you’re going to pay 50 bucks for a box of 50 Wolf brand or worse.
Pick it up if you can.
About the same here on the front range. Pistol ammo very limited, 556/223/300blackout/762×39 gone. 3030 gone. 270 308 3006 etc available. 22 also gone shotgun no buckshot or slugs. Hope everyone here took care of this already. DOL RLTW
Handgun ammunition in my area of southern virginia is really the one that got sucked up. I can still find .223/5.56 and other various hunting cartridges. Revolver cartridges like 38 spl are available but expensive. This makes me really want to buy a firearm in .38 super auto or .357 sig because thats all thats left on shelves.
I went to a gun show yesterday and you are correct.
Paid 375 for 1k rounds of Wolf 9 about 3 hours ago. They had 16 cases in stock. Now they have 14 😁
sgammo still has tons of 22LR…It does me no good….my rifles are all chambered in 556,and my pistols are all chambered in 9mm…
Joe ,,,,,,if you have a ar try a 22lr conversion, ,,the one from cmmg works like a champ
AmmoSeek,com find ammo, bought 1000 9MM HPT its a search app that finds ammo from multiple of online stores, some with free shipping. (I do not work for them)
I buy some through them, it’s expensive but is available. Some sites allow only limited boxes per order.
I just purchased 5 boxes of 50 rounds of 9mm literally just two days ago. Not panic or hoard buying, just range ammo.. the prices were not shot up or anything. $9 a box.
It might not be on your shelves right now, but it is coming.
I went almost a month without purchasing a single round of 9mm. So i know how crappy it can be.
What city/state are you in? Where did you find $9 box of 50 9mm?
Where?..
Just paid $26.99 per 50 round box of target rounds. Was going to hit the range, but might be saving them instead since they had low supply and other shops in the area are empty. Owner of the shop says they can’t even get primers for reloads.
I have been on a ton of online sites and all of them are on back order or completely out. Most of the shops I have been to say they have limited quantities and for range use only. I do have the equipment and time to get licensed for full metal jacket munition manufacturing. Would anyone be interested in purchasing rounds? In time if output can pay for the licensing I will include hollow point and fluted as well. Just trying to get a feel of the market.
Click-Click Boom,
First thoughts on your query. Personally, I would not be a customer. Several reasons.
1)-I do my own reloading. I trust myself, but few others. I suspect most other folks here would feel the same.
2)-Where you gonna find primers? Like past times of ammo shortages, availability of components are thinning out fast. You tried to find pistol primers lately? Good luck. I have an ample supply for myself, a lesson learned from past shortages, but for a commercial endeavor?
3)-Wasn’t aware that there was different licensing requirements to manufacture hollow point ammunition as opposed to full metal jacket. Is that a local restriction?
4) Have you considered liability issues and the cost of insurance?
I’ll close by saying, I might (in fact, I do) load for close friends. Most times the only payment is a smile and a thank you, knowing a similar favor is coming my way in the future.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Dennis,
Thanks for the input. Most people don’t reload like yourself and yes supply chain can be an issue as to one of many reasons why people don’t reload.
The ATF has a bunch of different licenses. The moment a manufacturer has to import supplies or make there own materials like gun powder or any incendiary chemicals for primers or manufacturer certain types of munition-the paperwork, background checks and licensing costs skyrocket with the ATF. My state has zero manufacturing regulations. Currently the ATF requires $3000 application fee just for any non-FMJ munition for the general public and still doesn’t guarantee approval. Import any? $3000 and register with State Department and few other hoops to jump through. Make your own gun powder? $3000. Hollow point manufacturing? $3000. What to be a manufacturer for the government? Find a lawyer and few lobbyists.
If you are loading for personal use-no fee or regulation. Anyone might find a supplier for hollow point or fluted but unlikely to find one for any bullet used for a military application like armor Piercing…at least one who is above board.
Yes, I would be interested in buying ammo from you should you choose to make it available! What would a minimum purchase be for 45 acp fmj in 230 gr? Thank you
you’re right, its price gouging from these joints that do have some ammo. I’ll never overpay for it or ever buy from these companies ever again
What is the problem?
It may crimp our practice a little but most of us have thousands of rounds. So, the ones it affects are the pyjama boys who now are getting scared that most of the 300 million guns are in the hands of patriots.
Like other shortages, when you are well stocked, you don’t need to pay the exorbitant price hikes caused by the rush of unprepared sheeple.
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Howzit Kula Farmer
Its pretty good all things considered!
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@ hermit us
I think you are making some big assumptions which aren’t fair. There are many reasons why some people were just able to buy a gun and now need ammo. Some of those reasons could be; were living in a state or where they couldn’t own a gun but have now relocated, were living in a college dorm and couldn’t own a gun, were under-age to own a gun, were outside the country an d couldn’t own a gun, lost their guns to a fire or theft etc etc. So maybe assume less and just be helpful?
I speak to the people that have seen which way the wind has been blowing for many years and have prepped for as many situations as possible. I can not be held accountable for the late comers that have found themselves in circumstances of location, finances, age, …. Sometimes you can not blame the thousand for the loss of the one.
Just an update to my reply to Ani as I had things to do earlier.
The wonderful idea of our country is that the freedoms granted us by the Constitution allows us to address all the problems used by you as excuses for not being prepared. If you live in an area where you can not own a gun, then you have the freedom to move anywhere you wish. If you were under age or in a dorm, you could have a parent buy and hold your weapons, just like my dad did before I was 14 years of age. If you lost your property due to fire, theft, …. sad but most people have some kind of insurance to replace the loses.
Most of us have had difficulties over the years working to become more self-sufficient and prepped – so don’t complain about my generalizations about people that could not, or would not rise to the challenge – yes life sometimes sucks for some. I can not carry the burden of all that may slip through the cracks.
Hermit I have to agree, sometime we just have to pay the price. Sure would have been nice if I had been a little older and had a little better job back in 1964, when I could have bought silver, for a dime or a quarter or half a dollar, all I had to do was just throw my change in a bucket, but now I have to pay 15 times face. Don’t seem fair but that’s just the way life is. Trekker Out
Mountain Trekker,
Don’t feel too bad about silver costing 15X as much now as compared to 1964. You could buy a brand new Corvette for around $3,500-$4,000 in 1964. Now they cost more than 15X that. A 16oz Coca Cola cost ten cents out of a drink box, now they run 18-19X that.
You catch my drift? I bought my first home, a 3 bedroom, 1 bath frame home on a half acre lot in 1971 for $7000 with a 10 year mortgage at $78 a month.
You don’t have to go back very far to a time when 22LR was under 2 cents a round – about four or five years if memory serves. A decade or so, an Remington 870 was under $300 and bird shot was under $2 a box.
However, if you are working a good job that keeps up with inflation, I guess everything is relative and you can still take advantage of opportunity buys. Retired people are getting hit the hardest by both, the virus and the economic squeeze.
@ hermit us
I still think you are being very mean spirited. I much prefer to associate with people that are looking to be helpful; the “I’ve got mine, too bad about you” sorts aren’t anyone I’d like to know. And you never know what life has in store for you……..
Ani
It is a thin line between self determination/self sufficiency and socialism. I can see the indoctrination seed taking hold and spreading. The problem with socialism is that it never stops at helping a few but turns into “I deserve free shit”. You don’t know the number of people that I have tried to help, like the saying “teaching them to fish”, but many just want the fish without effort.
@ hermit us
No clue what you are talking about. There isn’t a thin line between self-sufficiency and socialism in my book. And no one is talking about gimmees and free stuff. I’m just saying that you are being mean spirited in your total dismissal of those who are either new to guns for whatever reason or those who need to buy now due to their particular situation. Having the attitude that “I’ve got mine, too bad about you” is the epitome of the prepper stereotype of a people hating loner, huddled in their bunker with thousands of rounds of ammo and cases of beans. Maybe that is you. It’s not me glad to say.
BS
Ani
I’m of the opinion that some people are just too stupid to own a firearm.
RDM, Come on man… Ani is having a dialog / criticizing a statement made by ‘hermit us’. No need to jump in and call her stupid (or infer it) in my opinion. Unless a drive-by troll (most of us know who this type would be), this site is open to constructive criticism, debate, and civilized disagreement. And I believe that’s what she was doing. That’s just my view.
Ken,
I did NOT call Ani stupid.
I very clearly stated; “I’m of the opinion that some people are just too stupid to own a firearm.”
I would be glad to list many many examples of people being too stupid to own a firearm.
Apology accepted if you want to extend one toward me! 🙂
Maybe they are just now buying a gun because of $900 a week unemployment… about twice as much as I make… Working
Time to get a better job that pays more.
Yup now that they are making more than they ever have, they can take up gun ownership and protesting.
Lol… damm str8
Lost my guns and ammo in house fire. Tough having to replace under these conditions. Would never think it should be so hard to get ammo for range shooting.
The reasons you gave happen every year. If your reasons were true the ammo shortage would happen every year or at certain times through the year.
Right you are hermit us!
Buy a few boxes weekly and every now and then make a bulk purchase. Or reload!
Question;
What do you call a few thousand rounds of ammo in storage?
Answer;
A good start!
@ RDM
So then maybe leave some ammo on the shelves for other people then? Like the TP shortage, how much do you have to have before you have enough? The ammo shortages are due in part to some people who feel they need to buy thousands and thousands of rounds.
Enough?
How many commy turds are there x 100 per
Kula and NRP
Ani obviously thinks you should share all your supplies that you worked for over many years. This person does not understand that if all wealth was redistributed, all would have nothing. Kula you can keep 10 rounds of 22LR and NRP, you can keep one of your rolls of TP – would that be enough for the takers – not a chance.
Well this particular comment thread may have scared away a newbie here on MSB. I have no idea whether or not “Ani” is a drive-by troll looking to stir it up (my initial thoughts were No). However I have a feeling that there were some early misinterpretations to what was written in the beginning of this thread. And then the ensuing bashing. I may be wrong (sometimes I am – I admit it, and will if it pans out that way), but I’m not so sure that this “Ani” is/was here as an enemy combatant.
Newbies can be intimidated. Chest beating. I welcome the newbie crowd here whenever they do come aboard. They have many questions – some of which we had when we began this journey. Other newbies are already preppers – testing the waters here…
End of message.
Hermit,
Last i heard its first come first served
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KEN ,,,,, Ani is for real , is genuine. And what I know of her a good person ,she and I have different ways but would be welcome at my campfire ,at lest the one I know ,
Troll not a chance ,,,,,
Ken
Ani may be right about one thing. At times I can be “mean spirited” and it will take many more to opposed the hatred coming from the marxists/socialists. Sometimes movies do get the message right – when Mel Gibson was pushed too far in the “Patriot” I think it was, he got mean.
Hermit,
If someone is so bent because of a few comments on a forum they really arent ready for whats coming anyway, i doubt anyone knocking over statues, spray painting tags on everything and burning our flag gives a rats arse about anyones fragile feelings,
Ani wrote;
@ RDM
So then maybe leave some ammo on the shelves for other people then? Like the TP shortage, how much do you have to have before you have enough? The ammo shortages are due in part to some people who feel they need to buy thousands and thousands of rounds.
Red Dog Master replies;
Ani,
I’m sorry, I do not understand your post. I do not speak communism.
Your friend
RDM
That is the sad part of any crisis. Timing can be everything and in this case could be life or death. If anyone is just now realizing they need guns and/or ammo, it can be frightening to find nothing available. And understandable to wish the shelves aren’t cleared before you get there.
But where there’s a will there’s a way. Mail order, order for in store delivery, order what you can find and afford. Bartering may be an option. Lurk in the gun departments and get to know staff. I got a friend who just loves tracking best deals and availability for his friends. Make the time to get it done depending on your risk assessment.
Being prepared isn’t easy. It takes time and commitment.
oldhomesteader
You openly advocate for Rand’s beliefs set out in Atlas Shrugged. People that produce, obtain wealth and goods in exchange for their efforts. No where does it suggest that the “scabs'” should share in that earned wealth. So, when the economy went to hell, the people that could produce, did not stay and continue to support the takers but went the Gulch until the selfishness and laziness had taken it’s toll. This “mean spiritnes’ by Rand was founded on experience and knowledge of life in communist countries.
Perhaps you could impart some history to your acquaintance about socialism or if you are so inclined, give this person several of your tractors – because this person thinks you need to share. I have no problem with charity if it is offered to someone in need but I have a big problem if someone demands something from others directly or indirectly by leaving goods you wish to purchase for your own survival.
Sorry for the rant but remember the saying Galt required all that entered the Gulch to state and based their lives on.
Hermit. ,,,,,,rant ok ,,,,,,i have had inerface with Ani before , she is in a learning curve she is not a enemy ,yet ,some come around with time and experience ,she has potential from her experience. And I like her willingness to speak out her thoughts in a civil maner
I don’t agree whit you some times but your still welcome at my campfire. A lock step world would scare the H out of me
I will continue to give Ani my time ,,,,,,no one cones to under stand Rand,s msg til they live it
Till we meet ,,,tea and chocolate
Prepping is hard work, but work at it you must. Find a way
@ hermit, RDM etc
Where in any of my comments have I said that you need to SHARE what you have? I’m not a commie socialist. I’m not asking you to share with anyone, not that you would. I just said that I think you are being rather judgmental of people that are for whatever the reason trying to buy guns and ammo now and I asked that you not be so quick to make assumptions about them. And also, that if you already have ample stores of ammo, maybe leave some on the shelf for others to purchase. You don’t need to SHARE any of what you have.
I’m just grossed out by those boasting of how much ammo they already have and how they keep buying more anyway. I think a lot of the shortages are due to this sort of behavior. Just like someone who already has 600 rolls of TP for a single person household continuing to buy it wherever they see it for sale. For some reason this has triggered a number of you who are accusing me of all manner of things, from being a troll, to a commie socialist to whatever. And no, I’m not new to prepping although I don’t comment much on this site- and probably won’t at all in the future. I’d rather not hang around with mean-spirited people. I am always helping people with gardening, canning, off-grid living info etc as I share what I know and I try to encourage others to take steps towards preparedness.
What I think you don’t get is that in your “I got mine, too bad about you” attitude, you are missing that the more people are prepared, the fewer will be showing up at your door looking for a handout. And yeah, I understand you will just blow them away with some of your many thousands of rounds of ammo.
I thought the purpose of this blog was to help people with preparedness. Didn’t realize it was just to be a forum for some to gloat about how much “stuff” they already got. Sad.
Ani
See my comment to you on “open forum”
Ani –
These are good guys. In fact they are exactly the sort of Preppers you referred to as needing in the community because they do freely share their wisdom and are helpful resources. I do not believe either one has a clue that you’re a SurvivalBlog contributor, nor that you wrote an article about “Reaching Out to Others May Save Our Lives” for JWR on April 30th. People are starting to move back and forth amongst different websites within the community now that the clock is ticking down, making it imperative that we gather as much info as quickly as possible. As a result, there are those of us who can see a comment from you here and link it to the broader context of what you’ve written about previously. But without that true definition underpinning the statement, it is left to interpretation. And that’s a little bit of a shame because there is merit in having the actual discussion that surrounds us here and now as a community.
Case in point though, I wandered into a store one day and bought The Saint. Not for any particular purpose whatsoever, it just caught my eye and I wanted to own one. Fast forward a mere couple of weeks and these shortages began. Ammo for it rose in price very quickly, then depleted in stock. Great timing to buy something new and then be left with a question as to what to do about getting it loaded in the event it was needed. Your point would have been that others should have had empathy on me and left a couple boxes of 5.56 on the store shelf for me to buy. Yet to Kula’s point, how much will he need?? He has no idea what is coming, yet he knows it’s coming. Does it matter if he already has 6 boxes tucked away because he’s been diligent about procuring them as budget allows? No, I don’t think it does because I understand that all of us have an internal voice that nudges us to prep so we can defend our families. And until the voice stops nudging you, you still go out and get another bag of rice and another roll of gauze. So I don’t think he should have left it behind on a store shelf per se, although I do kind of like this new idea of a gun store keeping some ammo back in the stockroom for people to purchase when they buy a gun. Something about that rings true to me. But I missed that opportunity too, by buying a couple of weeks early. So I’m left with a couple different outcomes. I know a friend of mine would gladly take a box off his shelf and give to me to tide me over and I fully believe that both of these gentlemen would do the same for those they love. But they’d do something else that is more important – they’d give me names of other suppliers to check and they’d suggest a workaround. Both of them know far more retailers than I ever could and they would be helpful in passing those names to me. And each has enough experience to also teach me that an insert could be used, whereby a 22LR could be used in the interim until 5.56 came back to the market. Neither of which I might have known since I was basically a “new buyer” to the market.
That knowledge transfer happens here all day, every day. I’ve been around for four years and I can tell you without equivocation that this group of people are indeed the best resources the Prepper community has. They aren’t the Lone Wolf type at all and they have tried to convert grasshoppers into ants along the way. Sadly, as you well know from your own experience, that isn’t always successful, even within your own family. Yet we will need a society around us when we get to the other side of whatever is coming. I agree with your premise that there are those that we can help save who will benefit us greatly because their survival will translate into increasing our own chances, as would be the case with a nurse to name one example. Yet much of that will rest in God’s hands in my opinion. Whoever makes it through is who we will have in our new reality. I can’t get them there personally. But I can assist with their journey to the best of my ability so they have some knowledge of skills, or ideas of where to look for resources, or even simply by offering encouragement. Everyone here will do that. They already have. And they’ll continue to do so, as the opportunities present themselves and as the situation unfolds. They will stand and fight from the beginning. And they will pick up the pieces and rebuild on the backend. As I said, this is an amazing group of people. And Ken is the epitome of a great leader, an incredible host, and also a wealth of knowledge.
Galt / Taggert 2020!
According to some, my not wanting to go down to stinking poverty, hunger, vulnerable, in chains, … with the unprepared sheeple is being “mean”. I guess Ken might as well forget about posting “Level Four” as it would be seen as glutenous and self-serving greed. Someone also has missed the use of the term “is 600 rolls of TP really enough” as a term for, try to be self-sufficient and cover your ass as much as possible against unforeseen disasters.
Let me add one more virtue to be well stocked and prepared. When a disaster hits, we the prepared, will not be lined up with the idiots trying to buy bottled water at wally world. That irresponsible lack of foresight just taxes emergency response from focusing on helping the real people at risk.
Ani, why do you think you should be the judge of how much we, the savers for our families, should be allowed to have on hand to sustain the lifestyle we worked to achieve. Sounds a lot like socialism/communism to me.
Ani,,
This is your opinion,
Just as Hermit or RDM or Ken have theirs, all from a different perspective and different mindset.
For us out here on this rock, if its in a store on a shelf and you need it you better buy it because it might not be there at some point, has rung true time and time again. If i dont buy it somebody else will,
Again we all have our own opinions.
So see, heres the thing, you were just as guilty of judging Hermit.
You dont know Hermit, he doesnt know you, so neither of you know the others intent.
Kula
You are right that we do not know the true motivations of each other. But, I do know about human nature as recorded in history. When the disaster hits, some will step up to help others, as I have done in the past. I have also seen the other side, the majority of people that will step over you as you lay dying on the street.
Ani may think that offering a little bit to the hordes in a crisis situation will ensure reciprocity when she needs help – dream along.
Hermit,
Agreed 100%
People have a false sense that others will live by their values, rarely the case, especially in this day and age, perhaps in an area like N Id you can find a whole lot of folks of like mind, but in my area there is more of the collectivist BS running through our community and grows year on year, the problem is, these people preach their collectivist garbage and kumbaya but then are secretly or usually not so secretly watching out for themselves only and are not about to follow their own BS.
Ive heard it all before,,,
Why do yo need to buy all that TP,
Then i go to the persons house to do a repair and low and behold, about double the stash of tp and canned stuff that i have,,,,
Those who won’t work can’t eat so the good book says
Ani,
I suggested a strategy to “buy a few boxes weekly and every now and then make a bulk purchase. Or reload”
No where did I insinuate that I go to a retail outlet and clean out the store of ammo.
As far as your question; “…how much do you have before you have enough?”
My answer is I don’t know. I shoot regularly and me and mine shoot a lot. It is a form of recreation for us.
Regardless, if I want to have a Kadjillion Rounds, then I choose to live in a free society where I can do that.
Easy peasey!
Ani, my local range is currently out of ammo, however, they are keeping range ammo for purchase with range time; that way you can practice your newly exercised right and not have to worry about burning through your own ammo. try any of the online websites that sell ammo. They will likely have some inventory, but the prices will be higher due to the current supply/demand. Based on the original article posted here, it is going to be many months before pricing/availability returns to normal…unless you are using your “ammo stash” at the range, backyard, or cave, pick up a 50rd box whenever you find one and you will be fine.
Every Thursday I would buy 2 boxes of ammo for over 10 years.
Interesting. Belittling others who are basically of the same mindset. Yes, I’m a conservative and a Vet, but not a prepper. I’ll take being a Pajama boy. But make dam sure you know this Pajama boy has years of experience in multiple modalities so you bust choose your words carefully if you want support in the forthcoming civil war. I have no problem putting smartass in the front lines.
Try being respectful. It goes a long way
Don
Definitely your choice to prep or not. I also understand the numbers of people tied to the system for healthcare, welfare, social security, …. but how many in your situation, with no supplies, can be helped after day three of a disaster. Sorry, but I chose not to be in that Fema cage with the lucky ones that have not perished.
Don
People being triggered by a comment I made days ago was exactly why I said it. It goes to show how little regard some people have come to regard free speech. What did you sacrifice for, if not for our freedoms. The PC culture slowly rots away the core of our society and it will take many smartasses to fight back and take our country back.
Interesting indeed Don.
Problem? If you shoot competitively and wasn’t reloading, you’re screwed. Reloading here I come.
Did you ever consider the millions of American patriots like myself who have for years owned rifles, shotguns, and revolvers but after seeing all this unprecedented nonsense decided it was time to ad an AR to the Arsenal.
I have components enough for all the center fire I will ever need. I shoot 22lr almost exclusively –a lot of it. It ain’t available.
Agreed. Not worried at all. People should have been stocking up the past 15 years when there was no crisis. I’m set…
– All the bigger stores here are showing EMPTY shelves for virtually everything (surprisingly, there are a few boxes of .22 lr and .22 Mag available). I was able to find a little bit at a couple of smaller dealers, but very limited quantities. Prices are about double what they were back in February, and firearms, where available, are either collector grade and very few or well-used.
I spoke with an acquaintance who owns one of the smaller stores, she tells me that burglaries of gun stores have skyrocketed in our area. Hers in on their own little compound on the edge of town, about 150 yards from her bedroom window. They have both multiple cameras, dogs, and a flock of geese on the premises. and her husband is a reserve deputy. Every little bit helps.
– Papa S.
– Sorry, got sidetracked. Meant to say she commented that even black powder firearms and accessories are bought out.
– Papa
Ammo Shortages
One of the reasons, I don’t practice much.
Can’t hit a starling at 30 yds with a scoped .22, but I can hit one at 11yds, out the truck window with a .45 compact.
Maybe eye glasses are in order?
Joe C,
Or switch to a scattergun for those pasty starlings. Lol
minerjim
Lol
Yup, yup
There’s a thought.
Now, where is that shotgun? Which buddy has it?🤔
Joe c, I thought you said you lost your gun(s) in the lake? lol
blackjack22:
No that was me….
AND it happened with the Ammo also…
Strangest thing..
Go figure.
Blackjack22
Nope, nope not me.
I sold all my guns, and ammo during the Obama years. Made a hellava profit, and bought many of friends.
I just borrow said munitions.
I’m just a defenseless, old man, that can swing a bat, corn knife and a sIcklebar.
Maybe fling a few arrows from time to time.
NRP
Didn’t want to name drop, but I bet ole Blue is regretting that lake trip.
Poor, dawg.
But he did make it through, despite the loss.
I have been hunting and doing competitive shooting for 55yrs now. if I don’t have muscle memory by now, it aint gonna happen. when I was young my friend and I would come up behind one of the old trap pullers that would work the range. we would say, PULL, and watch his thumb jump. that’s muscle memory. it happened every time. I shoot just enough now to keep my firearms exercised. if you have an automatic anything put up you NEED to fire them every once in a while to keep them working. if you don’t they will let you down when you need them. I don’t care how well you clean them. I have been doing this a long time guys, but take it for what its worth, and good luck
Still living off my 22lr supply from before the last shortage!! I did buys some 5.56 and 9mm defensive ammo a couple a weeks ago. Took all the 9mm and most of 5.56, now I wish I didn’t leave the last three boxes of 5.56 on the shelf. I didn’t want to be greedy you know!!! So, in my part of Texas it is once again tight on the ammo front.
Palmetto has some .223/5.56 in stock for now:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/american-eagle-223-55gr-fmjbt-ammunition-1000rds-ae223bk.html
Thanks Gray One!!
Welcome
I posted a while back when I made a purchase from a small local ammo manufacturer, his issue is getting primers. Cant find them without paying through the nose. He told me primers are made in European countries (no proof on that). I did ask if made in China and he said no.
I figure once it starts as long as you have a fairly good supply to protect yourself, you may be able to just resupply from the bodies in the street. Just need to make sure you survive that long.
A&O
P.s. try ammo seek dot com. It’s a search engine specifically for locating ammo for sale online.
A&O
Ammoseek is the best place to go. It’s like Travelocity for guns ammo etc
When I started on this journey, I mentioned to a friend of mine I wanted an AR 15. He asked me why and I told him in case the SHTF. He said to hold out until the 2nd day and I could pick one off of the street from those that didn’t know how to use them. He cracks me up.
I can still find crossbow bolts, sorta kinda fits the ammo catagory, that and combustible liquids…
A lot of weapons training is easily done with pellet-BB guns using a reduced scale range. Useful for training new owners about gun safety (keep that finger off the trigger!) and use of proper sight picture. Still can get good quality air weapons that simulate real firearms very well for training. Don’t need a range but a semi-private backyard or carpet lined hallway (Command Strips anybody?) will do and no neighbors should even notice. CO2 cartridge’s by the gross are cheap compared to a box of real ammo.
If you can hit a ping pong ball at 7 yards and keep it bouncing with that BB pistol you can deal with a real problem very well.
Keeps the hard to get stuff safe for real situations and keeps your training up. Maybe Ken has a link to some semi-auto pistols, Revolvers and even AR BB guns?
Around me even the BB guns are gone I haven’t seen pellets in about 2 months
Occasionally see bbs the only BB guns are the really cheap ones for little kids
NHM
So true on the use of a bb or pellet gun.
The 10×12 chicken coop is infested with mice.
I’ll occasionally go out with the BB gun and pick off several.
Keeps the eyes trained on critter movement.
Now if I only had a semi or auto BB gun…….
Joe c
Automatic BB gun….now that is funny.
Farmgirl, Joe C; Not so funny, do an internet search and you will find Auto BB guns.
I have an AR BB gun for the kids, they love it! It shoots single and full auto. Only issue is it’s a little finicky on the gas cartridges and BBs. It likes Crossman best. Uses a lot of gas too when you go auto. BTW, I’ve been reading this site daily for a little over five years
If kept in a cool, dry environment, how long do primers last?
AZoffgrid,
My experience, almost forever. Can’t remember the event, but several decades ago there was a shortage of ammo and reloading components. I was able to score several thousand “magnum” rifle and pistol primers. I used them sparingly by adjusting down the powder charges in my loads. Found them in my stores fairly recently, they still work fine.
Same with loaded ammo. I’ve got several boxes of military (U.S. Olin manufacture) .45 ACP dated 1953, never had a failure to fire.
– NH Michael,
Most of my practice right now and for the past few years has been with a Crosman 1377 bolt action pistol. At 600 fps, a .177 pellet has a pretty good thump for varmints and such. Pumping that little gun 10 times (maximum recommended to protect the seals) may be slow, but it does encourage accuracy. You don’t want to do it twice, and I currently have around 10,000 pellets on hand. It will keep you honest! I do have a few of the PBA alloy pellets, they are suppose to give up to 800/880 fps. I cannot afford to keep firing several thousand .45 rounds per year anymore, and .357 is not much cheaper.
– Papa S.
Papa Smurf
I have the cross man backpacker in . 22
About the same as yours but with a shoulder stock I love it
Have an area set up in the basement so I can go down there in the winter
– D B Cooper,
I have eliminated 3 skunks (hint – shoot them through the lungs to reduce the chance of them spraying) and four raccoons with that Crosman. I can’t begin to tell you how many mice, rats, grackles and other annoyances it has gotten rid of.
And Farmgirl, just so’s you know – I have (years ago) played with my cousin’s full-auto BB gun. (actually, it was hand cranked like a Gatling gun; tore up paper targets real nice, but I wouldn’t have one)
Actually, I have played with a variety of machine guns and sub-machine guns. None of them are something anyone would need to keep around. Most people are doing good to hit the broad side of a barn, from the inside with one.
– Papa
Papa Smurf
I also got a skunk 🦨 with mine it was out during the day and acting really weird
But mostly shoot almost empty spray paint cans and targets
Papa Smurf
Well, I’m embarrassed! I thought he was joking, sheesh… I focus on what I have to become as proficient as a can, and ignore everything else. Did not know there was such a thing. Hmmmm….don’t think I’ll mention this to the boys… Thanks for the education!
I was told today that our local farm store is only selling boxes of their remaining ammo stock with the purchase of a firearm.
Sorry too fast, 7 yards with a pellet pistol. I see the same accuracy as a real firearm with a decent quality Pellet Revolver but it’s NOT for self defense just small pest removal and training. If you can zap a squirrel with it a real revolver and a larger target should be easy.
is all the shotgun ammo being grabbed up??
A funny thing happened while filling out the paperwork to receive a firearm at a local gun shop the other day. When the crowd seemed to be composed of folks who would probably not be politically offended, the individual overseeing the paperwork process got up and addressed us all. “Gentlemen, if you do not think you have enough ammunition, for whatever reason, NOW is the time to get it.” Then he sat back down and continued checking his stack of forms.
A ploy to spur sales? Someone with his ear to the ground?
Never seen that happen before, and being in my 60’s, I’ve seen a few things.
Kevin in my area I can find mostly bulk 7.5 or 8 trap loads, I love it when I can find high brass #4 or so. Both are good for training and inside the home quite effective. Even at the gun stores I visit buck and slug is rare and expensive.
yeah slugs are hard to find around here as well i stocked up 00buckshot so as far that goes im ok slugs not so much
Posted yesterday about no 9mm or.40 at local rural king. Today they had small stack of both. Bought 2boxes each just because.saw one guy take last 20 boxes .270 thought to myself now that’s just greedy.I asked sales person when next shipment would come She said just a trickle now and then.Their sale add for this week showed 1600 rds.556 $800 she said they got 2 cases in both sold same day, no raincheck on ammo!
One thing to help everyone with ammo conservation. Make sure to get yourself a good laser bore sight. They make them with a high visible green laser nowadays. This will get you on the paper at 100 yds. Which is good enough to temporarily deal with those 2 legged critters running amok … your not looking to go competition shooting any time soon so putting lead on the target is the main concern.
You can try ‘Sight Mark Triple Duty Laser Bore Sight Green laser’ Attaches magnetically to the end of any rifle or pistol
Make sure to clear your weapon first Darwins… Stay Safe Good luck!
Ammo?
Don’t need any since I lost all my firearms to Navajo Lake in a boating accident.
I did call 4 of the local Gun Shops to see what they have or would have, I hate it when people I know just laugh at me and hang up…. UGHHHHH
NRP, maybe trade tp for ammo,😄
I’m offering up .45 Ranger T
1 round per roll
It’s a close relative of the black talon defensive rounds.
Actually an even trade : )
I like downy soft.
Well….my experience is going to be the exception to all of the other comments I’ve read about ammo. It could be that the demographics in my area account for it, but I can still find ammo for anything I’d be interested in. Provided I were interested, of course, just speaking theoretically here. My area is an exciting blend of ‘woke’ progressives (what they call themselves) and families who can count back generations. The ‘woken’ aren’t into guns at all, to put it mildly, and the founding descendants are probably pretty well stocked up, for hunting and such.
I don’t go in for those nasty gun thingys, but I have a friend who does. My friend said plenty of 9mm, 00 12 gauge shells, .22LR, and 5.56Nato/.223. Lots of other stuff, too, but my friend wasn’t interested in those. Maybe because it’s a shop located in a tucked away location, or maybe it’s a small community with demographics as described, but one can still purchase an AR-15 platform rifle here. My friend did that a few weeks ago. I tried mentioning that violence isn’t the answer, turn the other cheek, and can’t we just meet hate with love, and all that. To each his own, I guess… 😉
“nasty gun thingys”…..
Chevy
Just having a bit of fun. Besides, I cannot begin to tell you how much of a benefit it is these days for a lowly Farmgirl to be completely misread, misunderstood, and most importantly, underestimated. Keeps me safe.
Farmgirl
Yep. When they underestimate you, you’re invisible. They never see you coming.
Soundtrack – wicked witch cackle
While I no longer own or shoot those evil black guns, here is some food for thought.
Ammo shortages yes, they are here and depending on the election, likely to stay with us for months. Some oddball caliber ammo is still plentiful and cheap. So is AK47 ammo.
Not to step on anyones toes but we had three golden years of plentiful and stupid cheap firearms and ammo. THREE YEARS!
A year ago today you could get 1000rds 5.56 Lake City ammo for under $200 DELIVERED to your door.
Summer 2019 also saw a fully assembled 16” PSA carbine for less than $390 SHIPPING INCLUDED to your FFL.
Ammo and firearms shortages, historically, have been as common as interns kneeling under Bill Clintons desk.
We all had ample time to stock up. If not, we only have ourselves to blame.
I am experiencing smug satisfaction in seeing those who waited until now to attempt to find firearms and ammo pay hefty premiums for their procrastination. I suspect that their woefully overdue efforts to obtain the means of self-defense are indicative of their lack of preparedness with regard to the other legs of the “preparedness triad,” beans and band-aids, too.
In a similar fashion, Florida, for example, appears to be filled with plenty of people who wait until a Level 4 hurricane is barreling toward their part of the coast before they head to Home Depot or Lowe’s to buy plywood and generators. For a great many of them, it becomes a classic case of “If you snooze, you lose.”
Just my own flawed opinion but ammo shortages will produce better, more disciplined shooters.
Gone are the days of aimlessly blasting through 1000rds at the range, unless you have money to burn.
If you learn to incorporate dry fire into your training, you can become quite a good shooter even with limited training ammo.
Not all firearms training is ammo dependent.
So very true!,,
As I was reading this they were showing a segment on the local 6pm news from Des Moines on this subject. Iowa CC permit requests have tripled in the last 6 months over same time last year. They are good for 6 years here. Gun range owner they interviewed says most are new to “the second amendment “. My ex military husband who taught me to shoot at military gun clubs in Europe way back always keeps a good stock of ammo and our grown son came by to ask for a higher caliber handgun from our collection because his workplace is near where they have been protesting in Des Moines, although he lives on a homestead in the country. He got some ammo too. He’s also ex military.
The weapon and ammo situation is the same here as elsewhere. I prefer a shotgun for home defense, although I have a nice 9 mm Sig for my backup.
Now is the time to become an expert of manual of arms (how your gun functions) with your own personal firearms.
Draw stroke, presentation and sight alignment/picture is not ammo dependent.
Learning about and clearing malfunctions is not ammo dependent.
Magazine changes and firearms transitions are not ammo dependent.
Shooting position transitions and practice is not ammo dependent.
You can do a heluva lot of high quality training with a shot timer, some paper targets, a few empty mags and zero ammo.
I think that’s great regarding newbies who have apparently taken “the red pill” 😉
Anyone ever heard of, cut shotgun shells, the homemade slug? Buy all the #8 you can.
Stand my Ground cut shells are useful BUT use them only in single shot or double barrel shotguns. Also check your bore after you shoot them, My Grandfather used the deer hunting in the Great Depression and he showed me his old shotgun with a ring bulge as the shot parted ways from the cut shell and the second shot created that bulge. Shotgun still shot well but…
Do not use cut shells with a pump or autoloader shotgun. If the reloading action stresses that cut you might have loose shot in your shotguns action.
I also understand with a little work you can open a trap shell and replace that bird shot with something better? Lead casting isn’t that hard.
Disarmed is a state of mind. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were disarmed but with treachery and an iron pipe they acquired weapons from unwary German Soldiers to fight until they were killed by tanks and flamethrowers. A sock with a rock is still a effective weapon.
Been buying 9mm and 30-06 a box at a time. My store has what looks like a lot, but is only selling it one box per day in each cal. An aside that you might find amusing; they also sell hand sanitizer and toilet paper by the case as an added service to their customers. When everyone was going crazy for T.P. (I had plenty) I picked up a case while I was buying ammo.
I buy only one particular 5.56 Nato round with its penetrating projectile. I knew ammo was going to vanish, so I purchased plenty. I have more than enough ammo to outlast my life, once I begin to send it down range at the enemy. Should I survive the first 200 rounds, I shall be very amused.
– When I was in the local farm store today, they had a line of about ten people buying firearms. Most were looking at the few handguns they had in the display case; a couple of folks were looking at AR- types. (I figure I am in deep kimchee should firearms ownership ever become an issue. I’m on way too many lists.)
I have spoken with the clerk, not necessarily the one on duty today, and have been told they keep some ammunition in the back that is only available to those people actually buying a firearm (very limited quantity, like maybe three boxes)
– Papa S.
Yes, I ran into the that situation in Sportsman’s Warehouse last Tuesday. They are keeping some ammo back for customers buying firearms.
Picked up a Mossberg .410 pump last month as a Critter Gitter. Looked at my usual source for ammo as the place I purchased the gun at did not have any .410 shells. My online source only had 6’s, 7’s, and 8’s, nothing for defense against BLM’s (Big Lying Marxists). Sure wish I hadn’t sold off all of our Black Rifles and Glock, dang it!
I recently talked with a local gun shop owner who made the statement that with this ” pandemic “, that they can’t inventory on hand and when they order something, they might get it and then again they might not. Another thing he said was ” if you think things are bad now, things will be a lot worse if Biden gts in “.
Alfie, your last sentence says it all!!!
Bought 1 box of 9mm FMJ 115 grn steel case 150 rnds for $40, bought 1 box of 40SW 180grn JHP 50 rnds $40, 1 box of .380 çritical defense 25 rnds $26. They had tons of 12 slug, but no buckshot to be found. I was surprised I found any defensive rounds. The store owner was assembling AR 15’s but I think they were flying off the shelves as fast as he put them together. Store was crowded. Bought AR and G17 mags 2ea. and a weapon light/laser combo too.
7.62 x 39 available at sgammo.com. Good prices.
local farm store today central wi.
hand gun ammo 4/5 gone.
popular rifle ammo.. of 7 4′ shelves there is enough to fill a single shelf.
wish I could post pictures, explains more to see it.
Love that I own a .35 ! The Marlin .336round is still available , it’s one of the only ammo I was able to find due to its becoming nearly obscure.
That’s a .35 Remington round
I have been observing ammo drying up since the start of the new year in my AO. ( Area of Operation )
For years, I have purchased new pistol ammo for purposes of reloading the brass with a good quality hollow point bullet at later time. A good % is used for reloading target grade ammo for practice/tournaments or teaching other new shooters ( something I do through my local club on an increasing basis these days ).
Several people who have purchased guns from me in the past calendar year: one is a rancher whose house burnt down. He works at my place of work for an in-town job and he raises beef cattle locally. He bought a 20 gauge shotgun from me with 2 boxes of duplex loads for anti-coyote repellent a week after his house burnt down. ( still have to keep the coyotes away with cows in the field.). He recently purchased a striker-fired 9mm from me (Ruger) and was gifted 100 rounds of 9mm FMJ and 50 rounds of JHP in the midst of the COVID19 Lockdown. Price was kept minimal as this was a used gun and he is a friend that is selling me beef later this fall.
The other person that purchased ammo from me is a hip young urbanite that also works with me. He bought himself a Glock 19 and was able to find some ammo online but has been unable to buy hollow point ammo. I like working with this fellow so he was sold some hollow point ammo during the lockdown because you could not find a box anywhere locally. ( sensible young man that made a solid choice in handgun ).
In both cases, one lost his home and belongings. The other was a young man that turned 21 not long ago, married and purchased a handgun for protection of his pregnant wife and self because he is genuinely frightened by what he sees happening in the world around them.
It is easy for us older citizens to forget what it was like to be young and frightened enough to go out and make your first firearms purchase. I would encourage many on this site to not be too smug about our situations in regards to ownership and storage of goods because, as my rancher friend found out, you can lose everything very fast in a house fire.
At my local shooting club- observations: Fewer participants at shooting tournaments. Those that do show up are those that reload and have components. ( powder, primers, brass etc.). People are still walking away from once fired brass in 9mm, 40 S&W and 380. Our range is right down the road from a recycler so the ground gets cleaned and the brass and steel shells gets taken there once a month to be sorted, cleaned and melted down. ( along with copper from bullet jackets ). The lead is gathered by several local bullet makers one of which has a deal with our club to sell bulk bullets with a member discount.
I am not sure if this is a shortage of manufacturing or if it is another case of people out there hoarding again. ( I suspect the latter ) At least this time around, the kids can go out shooting with their parents or grandparents because 22 rimfire is still available. so…beyond being safe out there with our things-that-go-bang, pass on the gift of safe gun handling to our next generation.
In regards to the use of a shotgun for defense of self from large critters:
Look up: Death in the Long Grass by Peter Capstick. He is the only American author I know of that spent time hunting leopards in Africa and hunting jaguars in Central and South America using a short barreled 12 gauge and using buckshot. ( the shotgun was used to follow up on wounded leopards in the tall grass while guiding clients in Africa ).
Capstick is the only writer I know of that wrote extensively on considering other sizes of shot in 12 gauge shotshells as well. He is now deceased. His books are worth obtaining in hard copy through St Martin’s Press, New York.
Among his advice through his many books and articles:
#1 Never underestimate the power of a 12 gauge trap or target load. though they are designed to take down dove, quail or break clay, at close range they will do terrible damage to the face of a lion. ( he was surprised by a snare-wounded lioness while hunting francolin in Africa ).
#2 Americans have a love affair with the 00 buckshot round in 12 gauge. ( originally developed as an anti-personnel load to be used within a 10 gauge shotgun by the US Postal Service back in the day when mail went by train and Butch and Sundance were still taking down trains for their living ). Consider reloading your 12 gauge hulls with #1 buckshot because it stacks in layers of 3 pellets giving you greater number of lethal pellets within a given amount of space and you give up very little in terms of penetration.
#3 This does not come from Peter Capstick. This is from my own experience and Mas Ayoob has also advocated for: Smaller statured shooters that have trouble using a 12 gauge may do better with a 20 gauge shotgun that fires a load of #3 or #4 buckshot. ( pellets are roughly 22 or 23 caliber in size ).
My wife is all of 5 foot 0 inches in height and her arms are kind of short. She shoots her 20 gauge quite well and has about 50 rounds of #4 buckshot rounds with her shotgun. She now feels safer within our home if bad things were to try to hurt her or her dog.
Round ball molds in 30 caliber can be obtained from Blackpowder shooting supply ( I forgot the name of the company back east ). I obtained my #4 buckshot mold from Cabela’s years ago. It was manufactured by Lee. Buckshot can be purchased by Hornady in various sizes through Midway/USA.
Hope this helps! A shout out there to Joe C and other shotgun shooters out there.
Calirefugee,
Good post. A good shotgun should be in every prepared home. It’s versatility as a homestead (and prepper) gun is only matched by a .22 rimfire rifle. Each have, what I consider, indispensable attributes.
The third homicide I encountered in south Dallas (my second day on the streets) was a black man shot point bank in the stomach with a 12 ga. loaded with #6 shot. Very little blood due to the small intestines that had mushroomed out of the hole in his stomach sealing off the wound. He died before the ambulance arrived. Sounds silly now, but raw rookie that I was, I wet a cloth at the kitchen sink and draped it over the intestines to keep them moist as our training instructed.
Calirefugee any thoughts about opening new bulk trap loads and replacing the 7.5 or 8 shot with something better? Any safety tips or tricks for new to reloading about how to open them up and reseal them for use again? I’ve opened both the paper and plastic shot shells with a jackknife before. I thought about resealing them with superglue but was afraid I’d raise the case pressure too much?
I know in the Great Depression between the lack of OR cost of buckshot-slugs Deer were taken with cut shells and reloads were an oddity. Maybe for lack of the tools needed? I read somewhere about field reloads being done with very little equipment?
Nobody I know has enough buckshot-slugs and bulk trap loads are everywhere.
CaliRefugee,
Thanks for the comment about your wife’s 20 gauge. I’ve been considering getting something smaller than the 12 gauge pump currently behind my bedroom door. What mfr/model does she have? Last gun show I went to had a bunch of Mossberg 20s, but they had the pistol grip and I think I’d rather have a regular shoulder stock. Not sure if there’s an aftermarket replacement. Have actually considered a “youth” model, but then barrel length is a little long for home defense. Any recommendations?
Thanks!
Blackpowder shooting supply company that sells roundball molds of various sizes: Dixie Gunworks
Correction: Peter Capstick’s Death in the Dark Continent was the name of his book where he talks of taking the Big 5 of Africa. The Leopard being the 5th animal mentioned. He spends much time talking of firearms and ammo he used to do this work.
Not many people made a living by putting down a charging animal. My own experience was with black bears gone rogue within National Parks. I have my own set opinions about what works these days too.
I may have been buying ammunition throughout this.
It is out there, but not as cheap as it was. $.24 for 115gr FMJ 9 or $.38 for 55gr FMJ 5.56 vs $.16 and $.23.
The rest still exists but it is off its historic lows also.
If you go up market it is easy to find. There is even rebates on it.
We have a large portion of the population enjoying trumpbucks and an early credit on their 2020 taxes. Ammunition manufacturing doesn’t usually outpace consumption.
The weird part is that it is a mid-term election year and usually things don’t get like this.
The crazy part is … Parts. Have you tried to find a Austrian lower parts kit lately? Even Midway had them for $40 6 months ago. Now you’re lucky to find a Lone Wolf kit for $70. That is when you should be worried.
There are no specifics about where the bottleneck is regarding the ammo supply chain. Lot’s of questions that haven’t been answered. We haven’t heard much about the status of U.S. ammo manufacturers, which are “essential businesses” during the COVID pandemic. Are the ammo manufacturers still working at full production capacity? If not, what is the reason? Lack of components (i.e., primers, casings, propellants, etc.)? Lack of labor? It all starts with the ammo manufacturers. The unless there is a lack of components or labor, the ammo manufacturers should be operating 24/7 to meet demand.
JN, I have wondered this myself. What is the “specific” reason. Haven’t heard any reporting. However, in my opinion, it is an example of disrupting the JIT system (just in time) which nearly every business uses today. Here’s a related article on it – though about food:
[ Read: JIT – Food Disaster Looming ]
One reason was the EPA going after smelters. The Herculaneum smelter in Mo. was the only one in the United States that could produce lead bullion from raw lead ore- a “primary smelter”. It closed about 6 years ago? during Obama. I don’t know of any others now open in the US.
Trey, I remember that – during the Obama years. Sort of forgot about that. Going after the ammo. That’s one sneaky way to do “gun control”. Additionally, I have a feeling that ammo shortages might have to do with the times we’re living in right now, with way more concerned Americans buying guns and ammo. Lets hope the manufacturers can ramp it up… !
JN,
I saw some numbers the other day that indicated that they are not able to keep up with demand.
Are.gov contracts for billions of rounds being fulfilled at the same time?
My wife and I both use Remington 870’s in 20 and 12 gauge.
I helped the police armorer fix, maintain and replace worn parts on patrol car shotguns for several departments over the years in California prior to leaving. I never got a trade school certificate. I use been using and carrying Remington 870’s since age 11 for work and play in farm fields.
I’m not saying one is better than the other. Rem 870’s are just what was always around at work and home is all.
Just bought 100 rounds 38 spec full metal jacket for total of $70 from bulkammo.com. That’s going to have to last until this shortage is over.
The discussion is OVER. Time to take action and stop bitching about the future. It will get worse. Plan on it.
Brownells.com: Gold Medal Match (excellent ammo) .308 Win, IN STOCK…200 rnds for $268.99. $1.34 per round but it is available.
I started reloading 3 years ago and am stocking up on bullets, powder, primers and new casings if I can find them. That’s the way to go.
Keep your powder dry.
Not in Montana. Most people here reload
Reply to NH Michael: by the way, I’m sorry to hear about your mom’s passing & dads status. I wanted to pass on my condolences.
My reply is a day late because it required some research and confirmation. My source book for info regarding shotshells and reloading using buckshot comes from the manual:
Reloading for Shotgunners by Kurt D. Fackler and M.L. McPherson.
This is the same manual I recommended to Joe C. on this site. To make field-expedient buckshot loads from trap loads these days, I have done (as an experiment) and lived to tell the tale (no bulged barrels, I have all my fingers, toes and both eyes are intact and functioning) the following to trap or target loads:
Most target hulls are plastic and they are sealed with a crimp over a measured portion of #7.5 or #8 sized shot. ( 1 or 1-1/8 oz shot weight ).
#1 I cut the crimp off (carving forward toward the muzzle end of how the shell will feed). I use a sharp knife and go around the crimp of the shell in order to remove the crimp only. ( I try to not remove too much plastic.)
#2. I remove the top portion of plastic, dump out the shot (I save the shot in order to melt down for later use) and replace with similar volume of buckshot. ( #3 or #4 buckshot in a 20 gauge shell. #1 buckshot in a 12 gauge shell. )
THIS IS SAFE BECAUSE: volume per volume, buckshot is lighter in weight than a similar volume of smaller birdshot. As long as you do not try to overstuff the fingers of the shot cup on the wad, you are operating in safe pressure territory.
#3. I seal the top with an overshot card made from either a paper index card or a piece of plastic cut from a old milk or juice jug. One can use a dime or a penny as a template to make lots of them with a marking pen and a pair of sharp scissors.
#4 I finish the load with a single wrap of masking tape around the top of the shell and folded onto the overshot wad. ( I’m of Japanese heritage so origami is a thing for me.)
Caution: these loads are not waterproof though most shotshells will not do well being total immersion. These loads will come apart in the washing machine and may come apart in the pocket of your field jacket.
I have and use a MEC 600 Jr in both 12 and 20 gauge. I also have the MEC collet resizing tool for 12 gauge because I used to resize and reload buckshot hulls ( high brass ) from several police agencies. In using the MEC machine, it reproduces the factory crimp so I have to remark the exterior of my buckshot reloads to avoid possible confusion. ( sharpie permanent marker)
Over the years, and to this day, most of my shotshell components are Winchester brand because I can find them and they always seem to be available. AA hulls, Win 209 primers, AA poly form wads, a big keg of Red Dot powder for both 12 gauge shotshells and lead bullets from all my handguns.
A standard Trap load firing a load of buckshot is the basis of my “light buckshot loads” created for female prison guards and police officers because they rounds will put down larger dogs within 20 yards with less recoil than standard, magnum buckshot available out there when times were good. ( shotgun qualification for smaller statured female officers was and still is a painful ordeal ).
This should get you started. Try to find a friend local that has a reloading press for shotshells and start saving target hulls and high brass heavy loads. ( I do not buy promotional loads these days because they are made so cheap that they will come apart within the action of your shotgun and you end up picking out parts of shotshell holding up your fellow trap shooters or the dove go flying by- in any case, NOT GOOD! ).
Thanks Calirefugee for the information and the condolences. After 16 days my demented father finally asked “where is my wife?” and I had the sad duty to tell him she died July 4th. Hurts to see such a gentle old man in anguish. I feel the Angel of Death nearby.
So in short carefully cut the top rim off, dump the shot for reuse, fill with better shot, place a wad over it and tape closed?
How do I know it’s promotional loads with the lousy shot shells? Are the bulk trap loads ok?
Always hug your wife and spin those cats friend.
NHM, Hang in there, I have walked in those shoes.
Thanks Just Sayin’
I have been visiting here off and on for a number of years and thought I might write. Re: ammo shortage. I think this is a cyclic event and this time is different because added to the list of regular shooters and preppers and ammo hoarders is the new group of 1st time gun owners. Hunting license purchases have not gone up. I was on travel near D.C. last month and watched a news feature (very positive!) about the huge number of 1st time black women pistol-buyers in the area. It was the only thing positive about pistols I have seen in the mainstream news in a very long time. Many people, even those that dislike guns of any kind, see their value when large groups can evade their space or threaten their life or livelihood. This shortage will run up until there is an abundance again and since more people purchased and more people hoarded, the amount of ammo and cost savings available during that abundance will be a good time to stock up again. Note. After that period there will be another shortage. And after that another abundance. This will be followed by a shortage.
I understand that the episode with the Black Panthers in the 60’s & 70’s led to more gun restrictions in California.
Will the NFAC result in the same thing? In GA., KY.?
I’ll answer my own question.
“ Open carry being blamed for violence in Atlanta “ on captainsjournal. 2A restrictions to follow ?
Louisville, KY. Is next. July 25.
Will open carry be blamed ?
Will 2A restrictions follow ?
JN 3:16 – Care to elaborate? Wife and I are actually right by the ‘ville. What am I missing? Haven’t been paying too much attention to the Breonna Taylor shooting hoopla nor any of the mess downtown. I do carry. Thanks much.
MSG12B,
Tons of YouTube on NFAC.
Next rally 7/25 in Louisville.
MSG12B,
Concerned about an outcome similar to the Mulford Act of 1967.
So far, Louisville has to abide by Frankfort’s rules. They both have anti-gun Democrats in charge though so who knows. At this point I think we still have the majority against any new anti 2nd amendment laws. I have wondered about whether the NFAC would get stupid here when they return (assuming they do). I was actually a little surprised when the gun went off last visit that it was only them shooting at each other (ND).
Reply regarding “promo loads”or promotional loads: Usually put out by major manufacturers like Winchester, Federal or Remington-Peters. Discount dove loads available by the pallet several days prior to dove season in the Southwest.
I oz #8 shot with 2.5 drams very low price with deals like 4 boxes available for further discount. These have largely replaced people reloading their own trap/target loads out there unless and until you obtain a box/case of bad ones.
“brass” base is cheap metal that is prone to being ripped by the extractor of pump or autoloading shotguns. The base of the shell holding the primer is a cheap composite of glue and cardboard and the plastic walls of the case are thinner. All this leads/can lead to a failure to feed/eject empty round after the shot has been sent downrange.
While this can be irritating on the trap range, it is frustrating on live birds or other game. A jammed up weapon when you are hungry and watching dinner scamper or fly away has really made me angry in the past and I have never had that happen to me when facing dangerous animals that have charged me. ( Bear #3 I was purchasing my own ammo out-of-pocket because my backside was on the line )
All the more reason to take a sample of the new ammo and test it to see how it performs prior to purchasing a case of the stuff. ( saves money ). Best to find out about ammo limitations before the bear is charging you.
For the record, I have had good luck and no bad experiences using Estate shot shells from my local Bimart or from Farm Supply. I have grocery sacks full of 1x fired AA shotshells but it is cheaper to buy Estate shells than to reload at home.
I understand some of the cases made but sorry, if I can pick up a case, I will do so without feeling bad because I know the next person like me will do the same thing. I just happen to run into a little bad luck under completely different circumstances for not having my inventory stacked long before this all started. I am still fortunate because of years of understanding that I still have about 1000+ rounds for most calibers stored stored away up but I definitely would normally have had much more during the summer months. Typically during the winter months is the time I tend to stock up on ammo for the fall and summer. Wait for some good sales and buy in bulk.
But it just happens, this year, I had the opportunity to be in a position in my life to have my family and I finally escape Massachusetts. And I ran over the border to New Hampshire as fast as I could and I feel like I live in a different country. Live Free or Die! Again right before covid was even a normal word. I went from a city of about 200,000 plus to a small town under 5000 people.
Problem two, is since I knew I was going to have no issues purchasing and building a “real” AR in NH, or so I thought, that are not restricted by the stupid Mass Compliant versions ones I did own, I decided to sell a couple to my friends “legally” before I moved. Which is another stupid process in MA for a private sale. But not only that, I could sell my ‘used’ AR’s in Mass for almost double what i paid for them new since mine where grandfathered in before the AG decided to become a dictator and not allow for anymore new sales of AR or AK’s in 2016 after making her own law. For the record I did give my friends a good deal, all things considering, and didn’t charge them double. I am not that much of an ass.
I started to look in for houses in January. We found and closed in the end of March (now Covid time). I closed on my house a day after the DMV in NH closed for out of state license changes so I couldn’t change to NH drivers licenses for quit some time after. But I could finally order ammo online to be delivered to my doorstep, which you can’t do in Mass, so I started there but the ammo shortage had already started. Looking everyday, I was able to get some more thousand rounds, and then I got very lucky that I was able to have at least one AR put on hold until I could receive my NH license.
But this is crazy. I thought after Sandy Hook it was bad which was the first time I ever considered to start making reloads. But now it is so bad that by the time I got my rifle in hand, I couldn’t even find any accessories. Standard flip irons sights, mlok rail attachments, even the magpul ms4 qdm sling I really wanted was “out of stock”. I had issues with even looking for some new optics that I wanted so had to pick up some that would hold me over.
Now its just the luck of the draw when it comes to ammo, (pun intended) I try to go to the local gun stores a couple times a week and pick up the 3 box minimum (if available) just to stay somewhat in stock on top of what I do have so I can get out once and awhile to get some trigger time. And search big box stores online to see if you can get lucky and snatch up a few boxes.
It was funny, when I first moved up here, everyday you could hear people shooting all around but now it has become strangely quiet.
I am concerned for many of these first time gun owners who will not get the opportunity to get out there and train because of the lack of ammo. and this will not allow them to get comfortable with their firearm. I would suggest picking up some dummy rounds and start practicing reloading, changing mags, clearing your weapon and the other fundamentals and then dry fire, dry fire and dry fire.
I have never used any of those laser targeting practice systems, but others here may more info about them. But even I may consider to pick one up one of those kits (if it is not “out of stock”) already just to find different ways to practice without live fire.
Forget about China, I am starting to think Home Depot, gun manufactures and ammo manufactures developed covid along with a coalition of wives who wanted to get that “to do list” done. I guess it anymore crazy then 5g started the covid. In this day an age, I should emphasize that is joke!.
First time owners enjoy but be safe.Watch and learn as much as you can. Youtube is flooded with some real good people. Take some courses when you can. And besides the golden rules. An old man told me a long time ago, “more unloaded guns kill people then loaded guns” just another way of saying rule one. So if you are at the range don’t point your gun in my direction just because you think it is unloaded.
Great post Frozin_Chosin: I also obtained an AR platform when I left Cali and went to another state where there are fewer restrictions. I left some ammo, supplies and lead ingots to my local gun club before I left the “Golden State” for greener pastures.
Most of us who got into reloading have done so years before Ken started this site. If you are going to hunt varmints year-round and/or compete in competitions, reloading becomes a necessity. ( I used to do both butt, given a choice, I would rather spend a day in the varmint fields as opposed to going to another tournament.)
Ken did a survey months ago where asked us reloaders for data ( price of components and powder ). In the end, you do not save money by reloading because you end up shooting more.
Some things have changed such that I no longer reload for some things: Standard trap loads because the price of lead shot has gone up so much it is cheaper to purchase a box from Farm Supply and you were always able to find these rounds during the last ammo drought.
During the last ammo drought, I did consider obtaining a specialized lead melter that allows you to pour your own shot at home. Final analysis: I am not that hard core where I need or am willing to lay out the expense of pouring my own shot at home and creating a 2 story shot-pouring tower in my backyard.
Reloading is much like gardening: The longer you do it, the more knowledge you accumulate. Among that knowledge is the observation of times of “feast and famine”. We are now in time of famine yet one can still find components available so I would say that now is a great time to get started in reloading. If a store does not have a component, come back another day.
On the topic of saving the environment: Joining a local gun/shooting club that allows one to gather lead and brass is environmentally sound because: on a periodic basis, the facility gets shut down in order to clean the grounds more thoroughly and sends the heavy metals to a local recycler. Reclaimed lead in the form of ingots, shot and cast bullets are, once again put back in circulation for people to use. My local club does this. Every club I belonged to in Cali also had a recycle program going as well.
Here’s a nice article from Hershel over at the Captain’s Journal.
https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/07/19/explaining-the-ammunition-shortage/
BG, thanks for posting that link, informative .
WallyW, today still no canned peaches, did buy tp don’t yet need.no yeast, little flour, baking goods in general very low.still no Clorox wipes 4 months in a row. Finally mandatory mask rule, yet saw several without. Local Rural king farm store had few rifle shells bought 2 boxes each .308& 30.06.virtually no handgun ammo.Looks like you should determine biggest current stock of shells in whatever cal. Then buy new gun accordingly. Although I’m well supplied all the way around. Hmmm, maybe I could use a new .270 after all! It is a caliber I don’t currently own and they did have 20 boxes of .270 rounds🤔
Stopped by Cabela’s today @ 1 pm to look for a 20 gauge. Was told that the waiting list to approach the firearms counter was closed for the day. Best to be there by 8 am Monday through Thursday to sign up for a time. And that the weekends were a nightmare so don’t even bother.
Anony Mee:
Excuse me, did I read that right?
A “waiting list to approach the firearms counter”????
Seriously????
OMG people we’re so screwed….
Yep, NRP, your eyes are still good.
Anony Mee:
Wow and I mean WOW
For all those doubters out there…
There is your sign.
PS: Just try to get ammo for that firearm you MIGHT get.
Anony Mee: Thanks for the reality check.
Pay attention people, this ain’t Toilet Paper we’re talking about.
NRP & Blue . . .
Good boy, Blue. . . .
Used to be take a number and wait to be called. Folks would still prowl the counter looking at options and getting in each other’s way while waiting to be called. . . .
I presume it’s mostly overwhelming demand leading to excessive crowding and anxiety at the counter. The virus and guv’na’s requirement for social distancing in retail locations just reinforces the prudence of, and justifies the practice of, reducing numbers at the counter. Inconvenient to be sure, but I think I will prefer a quieter counter to the last time I was there for similar purpose. Nice to be retired and able to adjust to their availability; do not envy folks who are limited to weekends.
Anony Mee and NRP,
I’ll second NRP’s “Wow”.
Many of us felt it coming, and now feel it getting worse by the day, some days worse by the hour.
It’s waking up every morning knowing there will be more bad news that day, and knowing we are still in the early days of all of this.
I can’t imagine how a person who is just starting to recognize what us going on around us would feel right now. Shocked, frightened, wondering where to turn?
For anyone out there who is just starting to prep – you best get moving now. No more time to wonder if you should get started, or how to start. Get what you can as quickly as you can… the window is damn near closed now.
There are 2 gun store within 1/4 mile of me. Haven’t been in one of them in a while as he is very expensive, but the other one has ammo. I just bought 2 100-round bags of bulk .357 Mag for $32.00 per 100. They have all kinds of ammo.
The second store is an older store and I think they run sales to get people to come in and pull people away from the new store.
Not that I really need more ammo (I must have 40K rounds) , but it never hurts to have it.
Better to have it then to not have it and need it.
I’ve gotta tell ya… the site AmmoSeek.com has worked out well. I’ve been able to do some substantial “topping off” (though can you ever have enough? 😉 )
Ken, ammo seek has been my go to for years when I needed 9mm. It was always as cheap to buy as reload. Sometimes I would have an oddball like .357 sig or 9×18 to shoot for test/eval purposes. Ammoseek is wonderful for a old man that cant’ spend his whole day searching the internet.
Left Marxists? Lmao what sensationalist BS. If ammo shortages continue post pandemic due to Biden winning, we only have ourselves to blame for needlessly panic buying.
Especially considering Trump “Take their guns first, then due process” 2A record is shitty anyways.
Jason
Go crawl back under your bridge and squat in the darkness, you ignorant troll.
This is the first time I’ve cracked a smile all day.
tmcgyver . . .
At your service. . .
So sorry for the uproar the test results have caused you, your company, and your clients that need servicing. . .
Here’s hoping you had no or very little exposure. . . Hearing that low viral exposure tends to lighter infection and symptoms.
I can’t even find any primers for sale other than large rifle and shotgun. Not too mention the press I was interested in is also sold out. Last I knew my small local gun shop still had a decent amount of 9mm. I have plenty of ammo and magazines for a good gun battle, but I just want to target shoot!! Lol
I think shortages are going to be the new normal for all kinds of products. Ammo being only one of them.
I see this going on for several years.
Plan ahead and be ready to buy it now when you find something you need or want.
There will always be oppertunities to get things if you plan ahead and or understand the laws of supply and demand and are willing to pay a bit more then others are.
I keep $500.00 in my van at all times to take advantage of spurr of the moment deals.
Local gun store in Woodbridge, VA received pallets of ammunition, Barnaul 300 ACC Blackout, FMJ 145 gr (Steel Casing). $12.99 per box: 20 or $$324.75 per case: 500. I got 1,000 rounds to stay afloat during the shortage.
My gun shop is limiting 100rds per caliber per brand a day so I’m just going daily 500rds a visit. American eagle 223 $9 for 20 and blazer 124 9mm for $14 isn’t terrible I’ll take what I can get.
– In WW yesterday on unrelated issues; picked up couple more of last boxes of 16 ga. #6’s for inherited SxS. That puts that particular gun up around 100 or so rounds. Unfortunately, nothing but birdshot seems to be available for that gun. Didn’t have time to research anything else, but still seems relatively well stocked.
– Papa S.
– Probably should explain, never been a big shotgun fan. My only shotgun until a few years ago was my Savage 24-C; 20 gauge single shot with a .22 single shot barrel along for the ride. I do have a couple hundred shells for it, bird, buck and slug. Where I live is scoped rifle country, and I have a couple thousand for those. Just inherited that double a couple of years ago; DW and her brother neither one wanted it. So, maybe one of these days I’ll take it out and see if it works.
– Papa
Papa Smurf did you happen to see Calirefugees reply to me about changing out the shot of a shotgun shell? I was talking about the 100 rd boxes of bulk trap shot but he walked me though remaking them with whatever shot load you wanted. Seems the main pressure is how heavy is the shot replaced. Birdshot being smaller is by volume heaver than buckshot so no problem. I’d not run them through a pump action or an autoloader but otherwise I’d trust them.
If you were closer I’d happily trade you for that Savage 24-C. I had one and it was a handy tool around the barn. No critter problem aside from a Grizzly would I be concerned about and happily I don’t live in Grizzly land 🙂
– NH Michael,
In actuality, that 24-C is my favorite just out messing around/foraging gun. I have actually used cut shells in a previous life/locality, in Dad’s old single-shot 12 g Long Tom Winchester.
The 24-C will happily put 3 slugs in the Ace of the Ace of Spades at 50 yards (or meters if you prefer), and will match a pretty potent centerfire rifle in horsepower. I really wouldn’t even be overly concerned for a grizzly with it and its stock cuff in place. I have practiced with it more than a little, and can manage a pretty quick reload.
Mostly I was griping about not being able to find much of anything in 16 gauge, which I would like to have around as long as it is in my safe. I am just gradually adding what I can for that particular gun.
– Papa
– Oh, and by the way – I have done just what Cali recommended, long ago. Shotguns just are not my favorite thing to shoot. His explanation just didn’t need any input from me.
– Papa
Yep Papa Smurf you ARE one of my relations!! 🙂 Cut shells and all.
I’ve actually looked at one of those pre-charged Pneumatic 50 cal rifles as a potential quiet game getter. Yes I am aware they are loud for an air gun but what a muffler might do for them? As they are not a firearm I hope the regulations about quieting them down is not yet written (but no doubt will be).
I cannot find a dump valve to finish the 72 caliber smoothbore one I built. Nothing so far I’ve tried releases the charge quickly enough to be effective. Any ideas? I kind of like the idea of a Lewis and Clark style Air Rifle that all I have to do is recharge and melt recycled lead for. That musket sized bore could do shot and ball pretty well I hear.
As far as 16 gauge ammo I have found new-old stock at various older gas stations around here. They tend to have a few boxes of older ammo in the back if you ask. Never had a misfire from them yet.
NHM,
The valve you are looking for is an airgun “poppet”valve. Search online, I saw a couple of articles just yesterday.
– NH Michael,
Actually suppressors for air guns are legal, in fact they are part of some of the over-the-counter air guns available. At least currently. You might look at some of the suppressor sites out there for a build-your-own idea for your homebuilt. I looked at them as well, but all the OTC versions I saw were just a little too pricy. I figured I would end up with Joe c.’s crossbow instead. I found a decent one for $150 that DW thinks she might want.
Very few of the older gas stations around here even have .22 anymore.
– Papa
Papa Smurf a x-bow is actually the most realistic plan. With a blunt bird ball tip you can give small game a stunning-killing thump works like Rubber Bullets in other varmints wink, wink. With bow fishing gear it’s useful for fishing and other game. Making bolts is not that difficult if you have the proper materials at hand.
Rate of fire hunting tend for me to be one shot, rate of fire for x-bows and most big bore air guns is one shot.
Will still putter around with the air-musket so thanks for the poppet valve information, seems the internal dimensions are critical for proper amount of release for max velocity.
Papa S
16 g is pretty hard to find in my neck of the woods, also.
I grab what I find…..birdshot.
Slugs and buck seem to be seasonal, but very limited supply.
My reason for buying the reloaders, both set up for 12g.
I need to purchase the change over kit for 16 to have on hand.
This a good time in the history of our country to get back to our local community self-reliance roots. In my city, the police were overwhelmed, and not even able to protect themselves, or their vehicles, even with mutual aid from several other departments. For the first time in their mostly liberal lives, families on our street realized that they would not be able to rely to respond to any kin of emergency at their home, including arsonists of family homes with family still inside! I have had conversation about family helping family, cooperation for security, and the ownership of firearms like at no other time in the 40 years we have lived here. 4 out of 5 nearby neighbors who had previously decided to not have guns have now changed their minds, and I am helping them to obtain and train with their first firearm ever owned. The best backup is not a second gun, but a human backup.
And, frankly, i have more defensive quality firearms than I could ever use in an emergency, so, I am selling what I really haven’t used for a while. And, if i sell some ammo to these first time buyers too, what is the harm. Especially if this is repeated millions of times across the country, they will be a huge voting block to protect their family ability to defend their rights in the future.
Yes, in so far as reasonable without hurting our own ability to protect our selves, it is a very good time to help others be better prepared too.
Peace and good Health to you all
Went to the local gun show this weekend. It was a madhouse. I had to go help a friend and family member pick out some firearms. Both first timers. The attendance was nothing like I had seen during obama or pre 2016 election.
Cheapest AR platform I saw was a S&W MP15 for $900. Standard wait to get your firearm with a CCW was 3-5 days since the system is so overloaded. Ammo was available but pricey. 223/556 was .48 – .90 a rnd and the cheap stuff was Wolf. Only 9mm I saw was Wolf and Blazer. Watched a guy buy $8700 worth of ammo. Not as sure if he was going to re-sell it or just for him.
By the time I left Sat. I was there from 9-2 there were tables completely wiped out of firearms. Over heard several people that drove over 2 hrs one way to come to the show.
A&O
Thank you for helping the first timers! Hopefully, they were able to find something suitable for their needs, and some ammunition. It is very important that we think more about helping those around us, instead of just being isolated and self-protective.
Here in Lakeview Oregon there are almost no rounds for sale. If you’re looking for a common 9mm or 223 forget it. Hope everyone has what they need, this looks to be a long dry spell.
It is to be hoped that those who have plenty of those common rounds (especially those who have an over abundance) are willing to sell or trade to those who are in need. Locally, new gun buyers may not be able to get ANY ammo at all for their new guns. That is where family, friends and neighbors can step in.
Raymond3
Selling or Trading anything that can kill me is not in my plans. Not ever.
It seems this Corona Virus pandemic and/or hoax has gotten to you all. There will be ammo but it will be limited. For those who already have a supply consider yourselves fortunate. Obama’s “slave” Joe Biden will most likely win the election. That is when the real problems will start. For the fence sitters it will get ugly, especially when ANTIFA and BLM march down your neighborhoods and torch your homes and trash your cars. God help us.
The need for ammo will really be when vaccines become mandatory. Don’t get the shot!
If we lose senate/house/potus you can expect the filibuster to be gone immediately and major, crippling gun and ammo regulations day 1.
I think whatever ammo one has now is all we’ll be able to get before long.I agree there will be crippling regs.day one.In my little burg ammo is severely limited the local rural king farm store which is the biggest gun dealer around here actually have more guns in stock with no ammo in that caliber than they ever have. It’s like check ammo availability and buy gun accordingly. I have enough of both but still buy box or two every trip to town. And no I won’t barter or sell either gun nor ammo.but if need arises I can arm someone taking refuge in my home for defense support.
went online to see if any sites selling bulk ammo had any selections. all standard calibers sold out. Even the odd calibers where sold out. went to Bass Pro and Academy Sports and they were out. What got me was that even the Lodge cookware area was stripped. The air rifle section was almost stripped bare also. one online site had .357 125gr JHP @1k rds costing $1,179.99 before S&H and taxes. Also .40 cal/1k rds over $800+. It seems we had better be judicious about going to the range and plinking for 2/3 hours. Going to be tough to replenish. NOTE: this was about two weeks ago.
Do not worry about the cost of ammo, only about finding any still for sale. We are NOT going to use it to put holes in paper, but in the bodies of the enemy.
Got an email yesterday morning from MidwayUSA that the M855’s I was waiting on had arrived. I was running out the door. By the time I got back they were gone…..
I pre-ordered 9 mm.
I found it HIGHLY UNUSUAL that the shipment date for my order was expected to be NOVEMBER 3, 2020.
Personally, I think ammo. manufacturers could keep up if they wanted to — they’re in cahoots with the butt-wipe in the WH to keep working arms out of the hands of the populace, in preparation for a military take-over of the country and ensuing dictatorship.
Socialist Troll (you did say choose an alias, after all),
Care to share where you found a supplier who is allowing “pre-orders”? I have bought from many different ammo suppliers over the years. Since this current shortage began, none of them are taking back orders (never heard of pre-orders for ammo, that term is usually used for new/never before offered, products yet to be produced).
I strongly suspect that your post has nothing to do about the ammo shortages, as I’m pretty sure you are not fully aware of the unprecedented surge in new gun owners who want ammo for the gun they just bought. Or those who are fearful of what they see happening on the streets of socialist run cities around the country and are buying ammo to prepare for the possible socialist take over of the country and the carnage that inevitably follows socialism. Very good bet that you are not aware of how ammo manufacturers try to keep a balance between providing ammo for public consumption and their standing orders to fill the needs of law enforcement and the military they are under contract to provide.
When hit with unexpected demands, ammo manufacturers can’t wave a magic wand over their equipment to double their output, nor is it wise to add an extra shift and hire workers that inevitably will be laid off when demand drops, or pay overtime to produce products that the price was negotiated and under contract without the increased costs of production included.
Nope, Socialist Troll, your post ain’t about ammo shortages, your post is about hate for a president that actually supports the constitution and the freedoms it guarantees. Folks like you are why folks like we prepare.
Amen Dennis
😎🤙🏻
Well said, Dennis. 👏
Right On! Even Midway wasn’t accepting “pre-orders” They just has a “Notify Me” link to enter your email and they would let you know when something was available. If you get an availability email Jump on it!! 🙂 He who hesitates is Lost……
On a better note, went to the range and they were allowing you buy 1 box of target 9MM and 1 box of defensive. Practiced with the 50 target and took the other box home.
What is interesting is I have found ammo available in CANADA, where the prices have not changed and the stocks are high.
However, being in the U.S.A., I cannot order this ammo. I wonder if it would pay to become an Ammo Runner…as if the ammo was Canadian Whiskey during prohibition?
I wonder if an American can even buy ammo in Canada…in Canada? Does Canada require a special for Canadians to buy ammo? Can I put a few thousand rounds in my trunk and drive it to the U.S.?
Anyway…lots of ammo in Canada.
Forget Canada!
I just spent some time trying to fathom the various laws in Canada, regarding ammo purchases, and there is NO WAY!
They have rules which limit the amount of ammo you can buy, or own, to “reasonable” amounts. However, no one knows what this amount happens to be and it is subject to the individual opinion of random officials…which could change at any time..it seems.
Oh, well.
Jack Frost
You can buy ammo in Canada with a Canadian licence called a PAL, (possession and Acquisition licence). We are not necessarily limited by the government in the number of rounds that we can buy but are limited in the amount that we can keep in one location by hazardous material rules where you cannot have more than the equivalent of about 250 pounds of powder. That allows for quite a few rounds! They have to be locked up and safely stored away from unlocked firearms. Different country different rules that so far work for most of us.
LGS can limit purchases and many have done so but others have not at least to the extent that I see in the states.
Ammo is becoming scarce, after all we buy it from your companies or Mexico or Europe. We are at the end of the supply chain but there is still stuff kicking around if you know where to look. Just picked up 3000+ rounds of 22 Blazer at 6 cents Canadian, about 4.5 cents US before taxes and shipping.
Just as we can’t shop for ammo in the US you would find it difficult to shop for stuff here too and most companies cannot export to the US.
The child would teach the grandmother how to suck and egg?
We know what is going on..and we have watched it happening for many years.
The tyranny is spawned from your ignorance.
Ision, when I posted about the ammo my intent was just to show how crazy ammo prices have become. I agree with you about the holes punched in paper. I am a member of a gun club and live close enough I can hear the rifle reports. I believe people are sitting on their stocks and just shooting to sight in scopes. Went to Academy Sports on the 6th and if one wanted .22wmr,.243,.270 and .308 then you were in luck. Every thing else was gone. On Armslist people were asking jacked up prices for their ammo. When none is to be had, then the law of supply and demand takes over.
Ision,, as you wrote in a previous to me about not worrying about the price, just try to find it. From palmetto state armory, 1,000 rds, of .223 55grn FMJ @ $619.99 before tax and S&H. This a deal according to the ad. I will have to pass to someone with deeper pockets.