It is amazing. There’s a big ammo shortage out there right now. All the ammo is gone! Well, not “all”, but I might as well say all – just to make a point.
These months have SHATTERED records for buying guns AND ammunition.
Do you remember the ammo shortage years ago when all of the .22LR disappeared from the shelves? And do you recall how long it took to get back to normal with just that one caliber?
Now think about our present day ammo shortage! Just about every caliber seems affected. They’re mostly all gone. Just for fun I searched several online ammo distributors and nearly every handgun caliber (for example) was gone. I searched on the most popular, 9mm, and it’s gone.
Like many of you, I enjoy target shooting from time to time. But nowadays, even though I’m well stocked with ammo, I hesitate to use it! Why? Because I can’t replace it! At least that’s what it seems.
Even if you have a thousand rounds of this and a thousand rounds of that (for example), it’s pretty easy to blow through a hundred rounds during a session, right? Next thing you know – your stack is getting lower – while replacements are hard to come by…
Given the status of our probable bumpy future (putting it mildly), many of you are likely hesitating yourself with regards to using your ammunition to practice your skill, right? It really is quite remarkable what is happening…
UPDATE! It’s even worse now! Nationwide severe ammo shortages! Dealers are having extreme difficulty getting ammo deliveries!
>> 9mm Luger, 380 ACP, 30 Luger, 32 S&W, 9mm Makarov
Why the ammo shortage? Who is buying it?
Concerned Americans.
Who can blame them? We’re living through a time of madness, craziness, upheaval, revolution. Our destiny is uncertain at best. So people prepare for the worst. One’s security – perhaps defense of country – is of utmost importance, so people shore up their preps in this regard. However the system can’t keep up. The ammo is gone. Guns too.
I really don’t know how long it might take for ammo manufacturers to catch up, and resupply to the extent of being somewhat “back to normal”. Concerned American Patriots will keep on scoffing up ammo as it becomes available. To what end?
I suppose it will keep happening until such time that those purchasing ammo feel “the threat” is diminished or over. Maybe that’s “if” Trump is victorious come November. Because the alternative outcome will surely continue to drain whatever is left of the supply chain for a very long time to come as the new Left Marxists will come for them. Heck, either way I don’t see this settling down for the foreseeable future.
Maybe these manufacturers can overcome this ammo shortage situation. But I’m not so sure about that…
Do you own a gun for self defense? I highly recommend that you read the following book. I’m glad that I did…
THE LAW OF SELF DEFENSE
(view on amzn)
Where can you find ammo today?
Okay, lets throw it out there to the MSB community. How bad are the ammo shortages near you? Are you finding much of anything out there? What about online (seems out-of-stock there too)?
This is crazy!
[ Read: Self Defense Threat And The 21-Foot-Rule ]
[ Read: Record Gun Sales 2020 ]
Rifle ammo is easier to get than handgun. But not .223/5.56. If you have an off chambered caliber, it might be easier. But 45mm, 9mm, 40, .38, all gone. If you can find it, you’re going to pay 50 bucks for a box of 50 Wolf brand or worse.
Pick it up if you can.
About the same here on the front range. Pistol ammo very limited, 556/223/300blackout/762×39 gone. 3030 gone. 270 308 3006 etc available. 22 also gone shotgun no buckshot or slugs. Hope everyone here took care of this already. DOL RLTW
Handgun ammunition in my area of southern virginia is really the one that got sucked up. I can still find .223/5.56 and other various hunting cartridges. Revolver cartridges like 38 spl are available but expensive. This makes me really want to buy a firearm in .38 super auto or .357 sig because thats all thats left on shelves.
Yea! No buckshot in SC either. Gonna really suck during our already started deer season!
The deer are happy.
I went to a gun show yesterday and you are correct.
Paid 375 for 1k rounds of Wolf 9 about 3 hours ago. They had 16 cases in stock. Now they have 14 ๐
Better start reloading.
With what primers? I can’t find anything but large magnum rifle.
9mm bullets are scarce too…..none
sgammo still has tons of 22LR…It does me no good….my rifles are all chambered in 556,and my pistols are all chambered in 9mm…
Joe ,,,,,,if you have a ar try a 22lr conversion, ,,the one from cmmg works like a champ
Desperation prices. This is crazy.
Get the cmmg kit to shoot .22lr out of your ar
AmmoSeek,com find ammo, bought 1000 9MM HPT its a search app that finds ammo from multiple of online stores, some with free shipping. (I do not work for them)
I buy some through them, it’s expensive but is available. Some sites allow only limited boxes per order.
I just purchased 5 boxes of 50 rounds of 9mm literally just two days ago. Not panic or hoard buying, just range ammo.. the prices were not shot up or anything. $9 a box.
It might not be on your shelves right now, but it is coming.
I went almost a month without purchasing a single round of 9mm. So i know how crappy it can be.
What city/state are you in? Where did you find $9 box of 50 9mm?
Ammo in my area is hit and miss there are shipments coming in but very little on each. Being a reloader primers is what everybody is looking for right now! How is everybody else’s reload supplies looking like??
Small pistol and small rifle are non existent in North Idaho. Bullets are hit and miss, plenty of powder right now.
There is no $9 ammo. That’s a lie.
Where?..
Sc……
Just paid $26.99 per 50 round box of target rounds. Was going to hit the range, but might be saving them instead since they had low supply and other shops in the area are empty. Owner of the shop says they canโt even get primers for reloads.
Save your ammo right now is NOT the time to be burning up your ammo…. this is going to get lots worst before better!
Agree
We may have to use our firearms as clubs
Get machetes and swords, maybe long knives.
We will be chunking rocks before its over.
Minute Man,
Shades of David and Goliath. Of course Goliath probably didn’t have an AR.
I have a sling shot and lots of marbles. Just in case.
Its ridiculous, I bought a new gun months ago P238 & haven’t even had a chance to try it, I have been looking for 380 ammo everywhere, I live in East TN outside of Knoxville.
We have 380 in my area, we all need to help each other out being in diff areas…..
Where? I’m in western Ky and it’s sold out everywhere
JB
Where are you located. I’m in Chatanooga and everyone is out of 380.
There is no $9 ammo. That’s a lie.๐๐๐๐๐
I have been on a ton of online sites and all of them are on back order or completely out. Most of the shops I have been to say they have limited quantities and for range use only. I do have the equipment and time to get licensed for full metal jacket munition manufacturing. Would anyone be interested in purchasing rounds? In time if output can pay for the licensing I will include hollow point and fluted as well. Just trying to get a feel of the market.
Click-Click Boom,
First thoughts on your query. Personally, I would not be a customer. Several reasons.
1)-I do my own reloading. I trust myself, but few others. I suspect most other folks here would feel the same.
2)-Where you gonna find primers? Like past times of ammo shortages, availability of components are thinning out fast. You tried to find pistol primers lately? Good luck. I have an ample supply for myself, a lesson learned from past shortages, but for a commercial endeavor?
3)-Wasn’t aware that there was different licensing requirements to manufacture hollow point ammunition as opposed to full metal jacket. Is that a local restriction?
4) Have you considered liability issues and the cost of insurance?
I’ll close by saying, I might (in fact, I do) load for close friends. Most times the only payment is a smile and a thank you, knowing a similar favor is coming my way in the future.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
Dennis,
Thanks for the input. Most people donโt reload like yourself and yes supply chain can be an issue as to one of many reasons why people donโt reload.
The ATF has a bunch of different licenses. The moment a manufacturer has to import supplies or make there own materials like gun powder or any incendiary chemicals for primers or manufacturer certain types of munition-the paperwork, background checks and licensing costs skyrocket with the ATF. My state has zero manufacturing regulations. Currently the ATF requires $3000 application fee just for any non-FMJ munition for the general public and still doesnโt guarantee approval. Import any? $3000 and register with State Department and few other hoops to jump through. Make your own gun powder? $3000. Hollow point manufacturing? $3000. What to be a manufacturer for the government? Find a lawyer and few lobbyists.
If you are loading for personal use-no fee or regulation. Anyone might find a supplier for hollow point or fluted but unlikely to find one for any bullet used for a military application like armor Piercing…at least one who is above board.
Yes, I would be interested in buying ammo from you should you choose to make it available! What would a minimum purchase be for 45 acp fmj in 230 gr? Thank you
Yes, I would purchase reloads as long as quality was reliably high. Once your rep is up you would do quite well. I shoot competition and am a firearms instructor. We are always recommending quality reman operators among ourselves. I’m always looking for new suppliers. If you start to reload 9mm, 556mm, etc hit me up.
you’re right, its price gouging from these joints that do have some ammo. I’ll never overpay for it or ever buy from these companies ever again
For us old timers this is old hat. We have prepared years ago with reloading supplies with plenty of powder, lead, brass, and primers. With each vote for the left wing pinkos puts a little closer to a totalitarian government.
Future. I just purchased a gen 5 glock. Love it. I ran around first day and bought up 6 boxes of +P+. Paid 1.50 a round. Put those in my extended mags and into my safe. I found one gun shop who has a couple pallets of browning 9 mm Fmj. 60 bucks for 200 rounds. They are limiting buyers to one box 200 per day. I live in eastern Missouri. I now have 1400 rnds of that.
Here in far west Texas, no 12 g 00, little 06. No 9mm, No 223.
The fact is that when whoever gets in after the election it will be up to 2 years before we see a change in inventory or cost. The country is too divided!
Chuck,
Or everything will come unglued and the supply will never come back…
Just sayin is all.
Stranger things have happened
What is the problem?
It may crimp our practice a little but most of us have thousands of rounds. So, the ones it affects are the pyjama boys who now are getting scared that most of the 300 million guns are in the hands of patriots.
Like other shortages, when you are well stocked, you don’t need to pay the exorbitant price hikes caused by the rush of unprepared sheeple.
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Howzit Kula Farmer
Its pretty good all things considered!
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@ hermit us
I think you are making some big assumptions which aren’t fair. There are many reasons why some people were just able to buy a gun and now need ammo. Some of those reasons could be; were living in a state or where they couldn’t own a gun but have now relocated, were living in a college dorm and couldn’t own a gun, were under-age to own a gun, were outside the country an d couldn’t own a gun, lost their guns to a fire or theft etc etc. So maybe assume less and just be helpful?
I speak to the people that have seen which way the wind has been blowing for many years and have prepped for as many situations as possible. I can not be held accountable for the late comers that have found themselves in circumstances of location, finances, age, …. Sometimes you can not blame the thousand for the loss of the one.
Just an update to my reply to Ani as I had things to do earlier.
The wonderful idea of our country is that the freedoms granted us by the Constitution allows us to address all the problems used by you as excuses for not being prepared. If you live in an area where you can not own a gun, then you have the freedom to move anywhere you wish. If you were under age or in a dorm, you could have a parent buy and hold your weapons, just like my dad did before I was 14 years of age. If you lost your property due to fire, theft, …. sad but most people have some kind of insurance to replace the loses.
Most of us have had difficulties over the years working to become more self-sufficient and prepped – so don’t complain about my generalizations about people that could not, or would not rise to the challenge – yes life sometimes sucks for some. I can not carry the burden of all that may slip through the cracks.
Hermit I have to agree, sometime we just have to pay the price. Sure would have been nice if I had been a little older and had a little better job back in 1964, when I could have bought silver, for a dime or a quarter or half a dollar, all I had to do was just throw my change in a bucket, but now I have to pay 15 times face. Don’t seem fair but that’s just the way life is. Trekker Out
Mountain Trekker,
Don’t feel too bad about silver costing 15X as much now as compared to 1964. You could buy a brand new Corvette for around $3,500-$4,000 in 1964. Now they cost more than 15X that. A 16oz Coca Cola cost ten cents out of a drink box, now they run 18-19X that.
You catch my drift? I bought my first home, a 3 bedroom, 1 bath frame home on a half acre lot in 1971 for $7000 with a 10 year mortgage at $78 a month.
You don’t have to go back very far to a time when 22LR was under 2 cents a round – about four or five years if memory serves. A decade or so, an Remington 870 was under $300 and bird shot was under $2 a box.
However, if you are working a good job that keeps up with inflation, I guess everything is relative and you can still take advantage of opportunity buys. Retired people are getting hit the hardest by both, the virus and the economic squeeze.
@ hermit us
I still think you are being very mean spirited. I much prefer to associate with people that are looking to be helpful; the “I’ve got mine, too bad about you” sorts aren’t anyone I’d like to know. And you never know what life has in store for you……..
I’m using the American system of supply and demand. When I find someone that needs something more than their surplus of ammo we deal. I bought a lot from a friend that needed cash.
Ani
It is a thin line between self determination/self sufficiency and socialism. I can see the indoctrination seed taking hold and spreading. The problem with socialism is that it never stops at helping a few but turns into “I deserve free shit”. You don’t know the number of people that I have tried to help, like the saying “teaching them to fish”, but many just want the fish without effort.
@ hermit us
No clue what you are talking about. There isn’t a thin line between self-sufficiency and socialism in my book. And no one is talking about gimmees and free stuff. I’m just saying that you are being mean spirited in your total dismissal of those who are either new to guns for whatever reason or those who need to buy now due to their particular situation. Having the attitude that “I’ve got mine, too bad about you” is the epitome of the prepper stereotype of a people hating loner, huddled in their bunker with thousands of rounds of ammo and cases of beans. Maybe that is you. It’s not me glad to say.
BS
Ani
I’m of the opinion that some people are just too stupid to own a firearm.
RDM, Come on man… Ani is having a dialog / criticizing a statement made by ‘hermit us’. No need to jump in and call her stupid (or infer it) in my opinion. Unless a drive-by troll (most of us know who this type would be), this site is open to constructive criticism, debate, and civilized disagreement. And I believe that’s what she was doing. That’s just my view.
Ken,
I did NOT call Ani stupid.
I very clearly stated; “Iโm of the opinion that some people are just too stupid to own a firearm.”
I would be glad to list many many examples of people being too stupid to own a firearm.
Apology accepted if you want to extend one toward me! ๐
Maybe they are just now buying a gun because of $900 a week unemployment… about twice as much as I make… Working
Time to get a better job that pays more.
Yup now that they are making more than they ever have, they can take up gun ownership and protesting.
Lol… damm str8
Lost my guns and ammo in house fire. Tough having to replace under these conditions. Would never think it should be so hard to get ammo for range shooting.
If you are making $450 a week, it’s time to think about a career change.
The reasons you gave happen every year. If your reasons were true the ammo shortage would happen every year or at certain times through the year.
…or just didn’t have the $ to stock up on primers, powder, bullets, and reloading gear.
Right you are hermit us!
Buy a few boxes weekly and every now and then make a bulk purchase. Or reload!
Question;
What do you call a few thousand rounds of ammo in storage?
Answer;
A good start!
@ RDM
So then maybe leave some ammo on the shelves for other people then? Like the TP shortage, how much do you have to have before you have enough? The ammo shortages are due in part to some people who feel they need to buy thousands and thousands of rounds.
Enough?
How many commy turds are there x 100 per
Kula and NRP
Ani obviously thinks you should share all your supplies that you worked for over many years. This person does not understand that if all wealth was redistributed, all would have nothing. Kula you can keep 10 rounds of 22LR and NRP, you can keep one of your rolls of TP – would that be enough for the takers – not a chance.
Well this particular comment thread may have scared away a newbie here on MSB. I have no idea whether or not “Ani” is a drive-by troll looking to stir it up (my initial thoughts were No). However I have a feeling that there were some early misinterpretations to what was written in the beginning of this thread. And then the ensuing bashing. I may be wrong (sometimes I am – I admit it, and will if it pans out that way), but I’m not so sure that this “Ani” is/was here as an enemy combatant.
Newbies can be intimidated. Chest beating. I welcome the newbie crowd here whenever they do come aboard. They have many questions – some of which we had when we began this journey. Other newbies are already preppers – testing the waters here…
End of message.
Hermit,
Last i heard its first come first served
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KEN ,,,,, Ani is for real , is genuine. And what I know of her a good person ,she and I have different ways but would be welcome at my campfire ,at lest the one I know ,
Troll not a chance ,,,,,
With the way things are going, we just might need thousands and thousands of rounds. “Early bird gets the worm”, that’s how I’ve been getting my rounds. Constantly checking websites and gun shops daily for when they do restock, and believe me there going fast
Ken
Ani may be right about one thing. At times I can be “mean spirited” and it will take many more to opposed the hatred coming from the marxists/socialists. Sometimes movies do get the message right – when Mel Gibson was pushed too far in the “Patriot” I think it was, he got mean.
Hermit,
If someone is so bent because of a few comments on a forum they really arent ready for whats coming anyway, i doubt anyone knocking over statues, spray painting tags on everything and burning our flag gives a rats arse about anyones fragile feelings,
Ani wrote;
@ RDM
So then maybe leave some ammo on the shelves for other people then? Like the TP shortage, how much do you have to have before you have enough? The ammo shortages are due in part to some people who feel they need to buy thousands and thousands of rounds.
Red Dog Master replies;
Ani,
I’m sorry, I do not understand your post. I do not speak communism.
Your friend
RDM
That is the sad part of any crisis. Timing can be everything and in this case could be life or death. If anyone is just now realizing they need guns and/or ammo, it can be frightening to find nothing available. And understandable to wish the shelves aren’t cleared before you get there.
But where there’s a will there’s a way. Mail order, order for in store delivery, order what you can find and afford. Bartering may be an option. Lurk in the gun departments and get to know staff. I got a friend who just loves tracking best deals and availability for his friends. Make the time to get it done depending on your risk assessment.
Being prepared isn’t easy. It takes time and commitment.
oldhomesteader
You openly advocate for Rand’s beliefs set out in Atlas Shrugged. People that produce, obtain wealth and goods in exchange for their efforts. No where does it suggest that the “scabs'” should share in that earned wealth. So, when the economy went to hell, the people that could produce, did not stay and continue to support the takers but went the Gulch until the selfishness and laziness had taken it’s toll. This “mean spiritnes’ by Rand was founded on experience and knowledge of life in communist countries.
Perhaps you could impart some history to your acquaintance about socialism or if you are so inclined, give this person several of your tractors – because this person thinks you need to share. I have no problem with charity if it is offered to someone in need but I have a big problem if someone demands something from others directly or indirectly by leaving goods you wish to purchase for your own survival.
Sorry for the rant but remember the saying Galt required all that entered the Gulch to state and based their lives on.
Hermit. ,,,,,,rant ok ,,,,,,i have had inerface with Ani before , she is in a learning curve she is not a enemy ,yet ,some come around with time and experience ,she has potential from her experience. And I like her willingness to speak out her thoughts in a civil maner
I don’t agree whit you some times but your still welcome at my campfire. A lock step world would scare the H out of me
I will continue to give Ani my time ,,,,,,no one cones to under stand Rand,s msg til they live it
Till we meet ,,,tea and chocolate
Prepping is hard work, but work at it you must. Find a way
@ hermit, RDM etc Where in any of my comments have I said that you need to SHARE what you have? I’m not a commie socialist. I’m not asking you to share with anyone, not that you would. I just said that I think you are being rather judgmental of people that are for whatever the reason trying to buy guns and ammo now and I asked that you not be so quick to make assumptions about them. And also, that if you already have ample stores of ammo, maybe leave some on the shelf for others to purchase. You don’t need to SHARE any of what you have. I’m just grossed out by those boasting of how much ammo they already have and how they keep buying more anyway. I think a lot of the shortages are due to this sort of behavior. Just like someone who already has 600 rolls of TP for a single person household continuing to buy it wherever they see it for sale. For some reason this has triggered a number of you who are accusing me of all manner of things, from being a troll, to a commie socialist to whatever. And no,… Read more ยป
Ani
See my comment to you on “open forum”
Ani – These are good guys. In fact they are exactly the sort of Preppers you referred to as needing in the community because they do freely share their wisdom and are helpful resources. I do not believe either one has a clue that you’re a SurvivalBlog contributor, nor that you wrote an article about “Reaching Out to Others May Save Our Lives” for JWR on April 30th. People are starting to move back and forth amongst different websites within the community now that the clock is ticking down, making it imperative that we gather as much info as quickly as possible. As a result, there are those of us who can see a comment from you here and link it to the broader context of what you’ve written about previously. But without that true definition underpinning the statement, it is left to interpretation. And that’s a little bit of a shame because there is merit in having the actual discussion that surrounds us here and now as a community. Case in point though, I wandered into a store one day and bought The Saint. Not for any particular purpose whatsoever, it just caught my eye and I wanted to… Read more ยป
Galt / Taggert 2020!
According to some, my not wanting to go down to stinking poverty, hunger, vulnerable, in chains, … with the unprepared sheeple is being “mean”. I guess Ken might as well forget about posting “Level Four” as it would be seen as glutenous and self-serving greed. Someone also has missed the use of the term “is 600 rolls of TP really enough” as a term for, try to be self-sufficient and cover your ass as much as possible against unforeseen disasters.
Let me add one more virtue to be well stocked and prepared. When a disaster hits, we the prepared, will not be lined up with the idiots trying to buy bottled water at wally world. That irresponsible lack of foresight just taxes emergency response from focusing on helping the real people at risk.
Ani, why do you think you should be the judge of how much we, the savers for our families, should be allowed to have on hand to sustain the lifestyle we worked to achieve. Sounds a lot like socialism/communism to me.
Ani,,
This is your opinion,
Just as Hermit or RDM or Ken have theirs, all from a different perspective and different mindset.
For us out here on this rock, if its in a store on a shelf and you need it you better buy it because it might not be there at some point, has rung true time and time again. If i dont buy it somebody else will,
Again we all have our own opinions.
So see, heres the thing, you were just as guilty of judging Hermit.
You dont know Hermit, he doesnt know you, so neither of you know the others intent.
Kula
You are right that we do not know the true motivations of each other. But, I do know about human nature as recorded in history. When the disaster hits, some will step up to help others, as I have done in the past. I have also seen the other side, the majority of people that will step over you as you lay dying on the street.
Ani may think that offering a little bit to the hordes in a crisis situation will ensure reciprocity when she needs help – dream along.
Hermit,
Agreed 100%
People have a false sense that others will live by their values, rarely the case, especially in this day and age, perhaps in an area like N Id you can find a whole lot of folks of like mind, but in my area there is more of the collectivist BS running through our community and grows year on year, the problem is, these people preach their collectivist garbage and kumbaya but then are secretly or usually not so secretly watching out for themselves only and are not about to follow their own BS.
Ive heard it all before,,,
Why do yo need to buy all that TP,
Then i go to the persons house to do a repair and low and behold, about double the stash of tp and canned stuff that i have,,,,
Those who won’t work can’t eat so the good book says
Ani,
I suggested a strategy to “buy a few boxes weekly and every now and then make a bulk purchase. Or reload”
No where did I insinuate that I go to a retail outlet and clean out the store of ammo.
As far as your question; “…how much do you have before you have enough?”
My answer is I don’t know. I shoot regularly and me and mine shoot a lot. It is a form of recreation for us.
Regardless, if I want to have a Kadjillion Rounds, then I choose to live in a free society where I can do that.
Easy peasey!
Ani, my local range is currently out of ammo, however, they are keeping range ammo for purchase with range time; that way you can practice your newly exercised right and not have to worry about burning through your own ammo. try any of the online websites that sell ammo. They will likely have some inventory, but the prices will be higher due to the current supply/demand. Based on the original article posted here, it is going to be many months before pricing/availability returns to normal…unless you are using your “ammo stash” at the range, backyard, or cave, pick up a 50rd box whenever you find one and you will be fine.
As far as tp is concern we i oregon have a lot of fallen leaves
With the way things are going, we just might need thousands and thousands of rounds. “Early bird gets the worm”, that’s how I’ve been getting my rounds. Constantly checking websites and gun shops daily for when they do restock, and believe me there going fast
All you โpreppars and patriotsโ out there , do you think the next war is going to be fought with muskets? I donโt give a crap how much ammo you have , it wonโt be enough. When it starts and they drop a few nukes in your back yard , all that gun powder and ammo you have will help burn your ass up. Instead of spending all your time and money building your arsenal , maybe you should learn how to speak Russian or Chinese. But good luck with all of that, lol.
All you โpreppars and patriotsโ out there , do you think the next war is going to be fought with muskets? I donโt give a crap how much ammo you have , it wonโt be enough. When it starts and they drop a few nukes in your back yard , all that gun powder and ammo you have will help burn your butt up. Instead of spending all your time and money building your arsenal , maybe you should learn how to speak Russian or Chinese. But good luck with all of that, lol.
Every Thursday I would buy 2 boxes of ammo for over 10 years.
That’s the best approach of all. A friend of mine would buy one or two boxes at each gun show or whenever he went to a shop, and he accumulated quite a lot.
Interesting. Belittling others who are basically of the same mindset. Yes, I’m a conservative and a Vet, but not a prepper. I’ll take being a Pajama boy. But make dam sure you know this Pajama boy has years of experience in multiple modalities so you bust choose your words carefully if you want support in the forthcoming civil war. I have no problem putting smartass in the front lines.
Try being respectful. It goes a long way
Don
Definitely your choice to prep or not. I also understand the numbers of people tied to the system for healthcare, welfare, social security, …. but how many in your situation, with no supplies, can be helped after day three of a disaster. Sorry, but I chose not to be in that Fema cage with the lucky ones that have not perished.
Don
People being triggered by a comment I made days ago was exactly why I said it. It goes to show how little regard some people have come to regard free speech. What did you sacrifice for, if not for our freedoms. The PC culture slowly rots away the core of our society and it will take many smartasses to fight back and take our country back.
Interesting indeed Don.
Problem? If you shoot competitively and wasnโt reloading, youโre screwed. Reloading here I come.
Did you ever consider the millions of American patriots like myself who have for years owned rifles, shotguns, and revolvers but after seeing all this unprecedented nonsense decided it was time to ad an AR to the Arsenal.
I have components enough for all the center fire I will ever need. I shoot 22lr almost exclusively –a lot of it. It ain’t available.
Agreed. Not worried at all. People should have been stocking up the past 15 years when there was no crisis. I’m set…
– All the bigger stores here are showing EMPTY shelves for virtually everything (surprisingly, there are a few boxes of .22 lr and .22 Mag available). I was able to find a little bit at a couple of smaller dealers, but very limited quantities. Prices are about double what they were back in February, and firearms, where available, are either collector grade and very few or well-used.
I spoke with an acquaintance who owns one of the smaller stores, she tells me that burglaries of gun stores have skyrocketed in our area. Hers in on their own little compound on the edge of town, about 150 yards from her bedroom window. They have both multiple cameras, dogs, and a flock of geese on the premises. and her husband is a reserve deputy. Every little bit helps.
– Papa S.
– Sorry, got sidetracked. Meant to say she commented that even black powder firearms and accessories are bought out.
– Papa
Ammo Shortages
One of the reasons, I don’t practice much.
Can’t hit a starling at 30 yds with a scoped .22, but I can hit one at 11yds, out the truck window with a .45 compact.
Maybe eye glasses are in order?
Joe C,
Or switch to a scattergun for those pasty starlings. Lol
minerjim
Lol
Yup, yup
There’s a thought.
Now, where is that shotgun? Which buddy has it?๐ค
Joe c, I thought you said you lost your gun(s) in the lake? lol
blackjack22:
No that was me….
AND it happened with the Ammo also…
Strangest thing..
Go figure.
Blackjack22
Nope, nope not me.
I sold all my guns, and ammo during the Obama years. Made a hellava profit, and bought many of friends.
I just borrow said munitions.
I’m just a defenseless, old man, that can swing a bat, corn knife and a sIcklebar.
Maybe fling a few arrows from time to time.
NRP
Didn’t want to name drop, but I bet ole Blue is regretting that lake trip.
Poor, dawg.
But he did make it through, despite the loss.
I have been hunting and doing competitive shooting for 55yrs now. if I don’t have muscle memory by now, it aint gonna happen. when I was young my friend and I would come up behind one of the old trap pullers that would work the range. we would say, PULL, and watch his thumb jump. that’s muscle memory. it happened every time. I shoot just enough now to keep my firearms exercised. if you have an automatic anything put up you NEED to fire them every once in a while to keep them working. if you don’t they will let you down when you need them. I don’t care how well you clean them. I have been doing this a long time guys, but take it for what its worth, and good luck
Still living off my 22lr supply from before the last shortage!! I did buys some 5.56 and 9mm defensive ammo a couple a weeks ago. Took all the 9mm and most of 5.56, now I wish I didn’t leave the last three boxes of 5.56 on the shelf. I didn’t want to be greedy you know!!! So, in my part of Texas it is once again tight on the ammo front.
Palmetto has some .223/5.56 in stock for now:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/american-eagle-223-55gr-fmjbt-ammunition-1000rds-ae223bk.html
Thanks Gray One!!
Welcome
I posted a while back when I made a purchase from a small local ammo manufacturer, his issue is getting primers. Cant find them without paying through the nose. He told me primers are made in European countries (no proof on that). I did ask if made in China and he said no.
I figure once it starts as long as you have a fairly good supply to protect yourself, you may be able to just resupply from the bodies in the street. Just need to make sure you survive that long.
A&O
P.s. try ammo seek dot com. It’s a search engine specifically for locating ammo for sale online.
A&O
Ammoseek is the best place to go. Itโs like Travelocity for guns ammo etc
When I started on this journey, I mentioned to a friend of mine I wanted an AR 15. He asked me why and I told him in case the SHTF. He said to hold out until the 2nd day and I could pick one off of the street from those that didn’t know how to use them. He cracks me up.
I can still find crossbow bolts, sorta kinda fits the ammo catagory, that and combustible liquids…
A lot of weapons training is easily done with pellet-BB guns using a reduced scale range. Useful for training new owners about gun safety (keep that finger off the trigger!) and use of proper sight picture. Still can get good quality air weapons that simulate real firearms very well for training. Don’t need a range but a semi-private backyard or carpet lined hallway (Command Strips anybody?) will do and no neighbors should even notice. CO2 cartridge’s by the gross are cheap compared to a box of real ammo.
If you can hit a ping pong ball at 7 yards and keep it bouncing with that BB pistol you can deal with a real problem very well.
Keeps the hard to get stuff safe for real situations and keeps your training up. Maybe Ken has a link to some semi-auto pistols, Revolvers and even AR BB guns?
Around me even the BB guns are gone I havenโt seen pellets in about 2 months
Occasionally see bbs the only BB guns are the really cheap ones for little kids
NHM
So true on the use of a bb or pellet gun.
The 10×12 chicken coop is infested with mice.
I’ll occasionally go out with the BB gun and pick off several.
Keeps the eyes trained on critter movement.
Now if I only had a semi or auto BB gun…….
Joe c
Automatic BB gun….now that is funny.
Farmgirl, Joe C; Not so funny, do an internet search and you will find Auto BB guns.
I have an AR BB gun for the kids, they love it! It shoots single and full auto. Only issue is it’s a little finicky on the gas cartridges and BBs. It likes Crossman best. Uses a lot of gas too when you go auto. BTW, I’ve been reading this site daily for a little over five years
If kept in a cool, dry environment, how long do primers last?
AZoffgrid,
My experience, almost forever. Can’t remember the event, but several decades ago there was a shortage of ammo and reloading components. I was able to score several thousand “magnum” rifle and pistol primers. I used them sparingly by adjusting down the powder charges in my loads. Found them in my stores fairly recently, they still work fine.
Same with loaded ammo. I’ve got several boxes of military (U.S. Olin manufacture) .45 ACP dated 1953, never had a failure to fire.
– NH Michael,
Most of my practice right now and for the past few years has been with a Crosman 1377 bolt action pistol. At 600 fps, a .177 pellet has a pretty good thump for varmints and such. Pumping that little gun 10 times (maximum recommended to protect the seals) may be slow, but it does encourage accuracy. You don’t want to do it twice, and I currently have around 10,000 pellets on hand. It will keep you honest! I do have a few of the PBA alloy pellets, they are suppose to give up to 800/880 fps. I cannot afford to keep firing several thousand .45 rounds per year anymore, and .357 is not much cheaper.
– Papa S.
Papa Smurf
I have the cross man backpacker in . 22
About the same as yours but with a shoulder stock I love it
Have an area set up in the basement so I can go down there in the winter
– D B Cooper,
I have eliminated 3 skunks (hint – shoot them through the lungs to reduce the chance of them spraying) and four raccoons with that Crosman. I can’t begin to tell you how many mice, rats, grackles and other annoyances it has gotten rid of.
And Farmgirl, just so’s you know – I have (years ago) played with my cousin’s full-auto BB gun. (actually, it was hand cranked like a Gatling gun; tore up paper targets real nice, but I wouldn’t have one)
Actually, I have played with a variety of machine guns and sub-machine guns. None of them are something anyone would need to keep around. Most people are doing good to hit the broad side of a barn, from the inside with one.
– Papa
Papa Smurf
I also got a skunk ๐ฆจ with mine it was out during the day and acting really weird
But mostly shoot almost empty spray paint cans and targets
Papa Smurf
Well, I’m embarrassed! I thought he was joking, sheesh… I focus on what I have to become as proficient as a can, and ignore everything else. Did not know there was such a thing. Hmmmm….don’t think I’ll mention this to the boys… Thanks for the education!
I was told today that our local farm store is only selling boxes of their remaining ammo stock with the purchase of a firearm.
Sorry too fast, 7 yards with a pellet pistol. I see the same accuracy as a real firearm with a decent quality Pellet Revolver but it’s NOT for self defense just small pest removal and training. If you can zap a squirrel with it a real revolver and a larger target should be easy.
is all the shotgun ammo being grabbed up??
A funny thing happened while filling out the paperwork to receive a firearm at a local gun shop the other day. When the crowd seemed to be composed of folks who would probably not be politically offended, the individual overseeing the paperwork process got up and addressed us all. “Gentlemen, if you do not think you have enough ammunition, for whatever reason, NOW is the time to get it.” Then he sat back down and continued checking his stack of forms.
A ploy to spur sales? Someone with his ear to the ground?
Never seen that happen before, and being in my 60’s, I’ve seen a few things.
Kevin in my area I can find mostly bulk 7.5 or 8 trap loads, I love it when I can find high brass #4 or so. Both are good for training and inside the home quite effective. Even at the gun stores I visit buck and slug is rare and expensive.
yeah slugs are hard to find around here as well i stocked up 00buckshot so as far that goes im ok slugs not so much
Posted yesterday about no 9mm or.40 at local rural king. Today they had small stack of both. Bought 2boxes each just because.saw one guy take last 20 boxes .270 thought to myself now that’s just greedy.I asked sales person when next shipment would come She said just a trickle now and then.Their sale add for this week showed 1600 rds.556 $800 she said they got 2 cases in both sold same day, no raincheck on ammo!
One thing to help everyone with ammo conservation. Make sure to get yourself a good laser bore sight. They make them with a high visible green laser nowadays. This will get you on the paper at 100 yds. Which is good enough to temporarily deal with those 2 legged critters running amok … your not looking to go competition shooting any time soon so putting lead on the target is the main concern.
You can try ‘Sight Mark Triple Duty Laser Bore Sight Green laser’ Attaches magnetically to the end of any rifle or pistol
Make sure to clear your weapon first Darwins… Stay Safe Good luck!
Ammo?
Don’t need any since I lost all my firearms to Navajo Lake in a boating accident.
I did call 4 of the local Gun Shops to see what they have or would have, I hate it when people I know just laugh at me and hang up…. UGHHHHH
NRP, maybe trade tp for ammo,๐
I’m offering up .45 Ranger T
1 round per roll
It’s a close relative of the black talon defensive rounds.
Actually an even trade : )
I like downy soft.
Well….my experience is going to be the exception to all of the other comments I’ve read about ammo. It could be that the demographics in my area account for it, but I can still find ammo for anything I’d be interested in. Provided I were interested, of course, just speaking theoretically here. My area is an exciting blend of ‘woke’ progressives (what they call themselves) and families who can count back generations. The ‘woken’ aren’t into guns at all, to put it mildly, and the founding descendants are probably pretty well stocked up, for hunting and such. I don’t go in for those nasty gun thingys, but I have a friend who does. My friend said plenty of 9mm, 00 12 gauge shells, .22LR, and 5.56Nato/.223. Lots of other stuff, too, but my friend wasn’t interested in those. Maybe because it’s a shop located in a tucked away location, or maybe it’s a small community with demographics as described, but one can still purchase an AR-15 platform rifle here. My friend did that a few weeks ago. I tried mentioning that violence isn’t the answer, turn the other cheek, and can’t we just meet hate with love, and all that.… Read more ยป
“nasty gun thingys”…..
Chevy
Just having a bit of fun. Besides, I cannot begin to tell you how much of a benefit it is these days for a lowly Farmgirl to be completely misread, misunderstood, and most importantly, underestimated. Keeps me safe.
Farmgirl
Yep. When they underestimate you, youโre invisible. They never see you coming.
Soundtrack – wicked witch cackle
While I no longer own or shoot those evil black guns, here is some food for thought.
Ammo shortages yes, they are here and depending on the election, likely to stay with us for months. Some oddball caliber ammo is still plentiful and cheap. So is AK47 ammo.
Not to step on anyones toes but we had three golden years of plentiful and stupid cheap firearms and ammo. THREE YEARS!
A year ago today you could get 1000rds 5.56 Lake City ammo for under $200 DELIVERED to your door.
Summer 2019 also saw a fully assembled 16โ PSA carbine for less than $390 SHIPPING INCLUDED to your FFL.
Ammo and firearms shortages, historically, have been as common as interns kneeling under Bill Clintons desk.
We all had ample time to stock up. If not, we only have ourselves to blame.
I am experiencing smug satisfaction in seeing those who waited until now to attempt to find firearms and ammo pay hefty premiums for their procrastination. I suspect that their woefully overdue efforts to obtain the means of self-defense are indicative of their lack of preparedness with regard to the other legs of the “preparedness triad,” beans and band-aids, too.
In a similar fashion, Florida, for example, appears to be filled with plenty of people who wait until a Level 4 hurricane is barreling toward their part of the coast before they head to Home Depot or Lowe’s to buy plywood and generators. For a great many of them, it becomes a classic case of “If you snooze, you lose.”
Just my own flawed opinion but ammo shortages will produce better, more disciplined shooters.
Gone are the days of aimlessly blasting through 1000rds at the range, unless you have money to burn.
If you learn to incorporate dry fire into your training, you can become quite a good shooter even with limited training ammo.
Not all firearms training is ammo dependent.
So very true!,,
As I was reading this they were showing a segment on the local 6pm news from Des Moines on this subject. Iowa CC permit requests have tripled in the last 6 months over same time last year. They are good for 6 years here. Gun range owner they interviewed says most are new to “the second amendment “. My ex military husband who taught me to shoot at military gun clubs in Europe way back always keeps a good stock of ammo and our grown son came by to ask for a higher caliber handgun from our collection because his workplace is near where they have been protesting in Des Moines, although he lives on a homestead in the country. He got some ammo too. He’s also ex military.
The weapon and ammo situation is the same here as elsewhere. I prefer a shotgun for home defense, although I have a nice 9 mm Sig for my backup.
Now is the time to become an expert of manual of arms (how your gun functions) with your own personal firearms.
Draw stroke, presentation and sight alignment/picture is not ammo dependent.
Learning about and clearing malfunctions is not ammo dependent.
Magazine changes and firearms transitions are not ammo dependent.
Shooting position transitions and practice is not ammo dependent.
You can do a heluva lot of high quality training with a shot timer, some paper targets, a few empty mags and zero ammo.
I think that’s great regarding newbies who have apparently taken “the red pill” ๐
Anyone ever heard of, cut shotgun shells, the homemade slug? Buy all the #8 you can.
Stand my Ground cut shells are useful BUT use them only in single shot or double barrel shotguns. Also check your bore after you shoot them, My Grandfather used the deer hunting in the Great Depression and he showed me his old shotgun with a ring bulge as the shot parted ways from the cut shell and the second shot created that bulge. Shotgun still shot well but…
Do not use cut shells with a pump or autoloader shotgun. If the reloading action stresses that cut you might have loose shot in your shotguns action.
I also understand with a little work you can open a trap shell and replace that bird shot with something better? Lead casting isn’t that hard.
Disarmed is a state of mind. The Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were disarmed but with treachery and an iron pipe they acquired weapons from unwary German Soldiers to fight until they were killed by tanks and flamethrowers. A sock with a rock is still a effective weapon.
Been buying 9mm and 30-06 a box at a time. My store has what looks like a lot, but is only selling it one box per day in each cal. An aside that you might find amusing; they also sell hand sanitizer and toilet paper by the case as an added service to their customers. When everyone was going crazy for T.P. (I had plenty) I picked up a case while I was buying ammo.
I buy only one particular 5.56 Nato round with its penetrating projectile. I knew ammo was going to vanish, so I purchased plenty. I have more than enough ammo to outlast my life, once I begin to send it down range at the enemy. Should I survive the first 200 rounds, I shall be very amused.
– When I was in the local farm store today, they had a line of about ten people buying firearms. Most were looking at the few handguns they had in the display case; a couple of folks were looking at AR- types. (I figure I am in deep kimchee should firearms ownership ever become an issue. I’m on way too many lists.)
I have spoken with the clerk, not necessarily the one on duty today, and have been told they keep some ammunition in the back that is only available to those people actually buying a firearm (very limited quantity, like maybe three boxes)
– Papa S.
Yes, I ran into the that situation in Sportsman’s Warehouse last Tuesday. They are keeping some ammo back for customers buying firearms.
Picked up a Mossberg .410 pump last month as a Critter Gitter. Looked at my usual source for ammo as the place I purchased the gun at did not have any .410 shells. My online source only had 6’s, 7’s, and 8’s, nothing for defense against BLM’s (Big Lying Marxists). Sure wish I hadn’t sold off all of our Black Rifles and Glock, dang it!
I recently talked with a local gun shop owner who made the statement that with this ” pandemic “, that they can’t inventory on hand and when they order something, they might get it and then again they might not. Another thing he said was ” if you think things are bad now, things will be a lot worse if Biden gts in “.
Alfie, your last sentence says it all!!!
Bought 1 box of 9mm FMJ 115 grn steel case 150 rnds for $40, bought 1 box of 40SW 180grn JHP 50 rnds $40, 1 box of .380 รงritical defense 25 rnds $26. They had tons of 12 slug, but no buckshot to be found. I was surprised I found any defensive rounds. The store owner was assembling AR 15’s but I think they were flying off the shelves as fast as he put them together. Store was crowded. Bought AR and G17 mags 2ea. and a weapon light/laser combo too.
7.62 x 39 available at sgammo.com. Good prices.
local farm store today central wi.
hand gun ammo 4/5 gone.
popular rifle ammo.. of 7 4′ shelves there is enough to fill a single shelf.
wish I could post pictures, explains more to see it.
Love that I own a .35 ! The Marlin .336round is still available , itโs one of the only ammo I was able to find due to its becoming nearly obscure.
Thatโs a .35 Remington round
I have been observing ammo drying up since the start of the new year in my AO. ( Area of Operation ) For years, I have purchased new pistol ammo for purposes of reloading the brass with a good quality hollow point bullet at later time. A good % is used for reloading target grade ammo for practice/tournaments or teaching other new shooters ( something I do through my local club on an increasing basis these days ). Several people who have purchased guns from me in the past calendar year: one is a rancher whose house burnt down. He works at my place of work for an in-town job and he raises beef cattle locally. He bought a 20 gauge shotgun from me with 2 boxes of duplex loads for anti-coyote repellent a week after his house burnt down. ( still have to keep the coyotes away with cows in the field.). He recently purchased a striker-fired 9mm from me (Ruger) and was gifted 100 rounds of 9mm FMJ and 50 rounds of JHP in the midst of the COVID19 Lockdown. Price was kept minimal as this was a used gun and he is a friend that is selling… Read more ยป
In regards to the use of a shotgun for defense of self from large critters: Look up: Death in the Long Grass by Peter Capstick. He is the only American author I know of that spent time hunting leopards in Africa and hunting jaguars in Central and South America using a short barreled 12 gauge and using buckshot. ( the shotgun was used to follow up on wounded leopards in the tall grass while guiding clients in Africa ). Capstick is the only writer I know of that wrote extensively on considering other sizes of shot in 12 gauge shotshells as well. He is now deceased. His books are worth obtaining in hard copy through St Martin’s Press, New York. Among his advice through his many books and articles: #1 Never underestimate the power of a 12 gauge trap or target load. though they are designed to take down dove, quail or break clay, at close range they will do terrible damage to the face of a lion. ( he was surprised by a snare-wounded lioness while hunting francolin in Africa ). #2 Americans have a love affair with the 00 buckshot round in 12 gauge. ( originally developed as… Read more ยป
Calirefugee,
Good post. A good shotgun should be in every prepared home. It’s versatility as a homestead (and prepper) gun is only matched by a .22 rimfire rifle. Each have, what I consider, indispensable attributes.
The third homicide I encountered in south Dallas (my second day on the streets) was a black man shot point bank in the stomach with a 12 ga. loaded with #6 shot. Very little blood due to the small intestines that had mushroomed out of the hole in his stomach sealing off the wound. He died before the ambulance arrived. Sounds silly now, but raw rookie that I was, I wet a cloth at the kitchen sink and draped it over the intestines to keep them moist as our training instructed.
Calirefugee any thoughts about opening new bulk trap loads and replacing the 7.5 or 8 shot with something better? Any safety tips or tricks for new to reloading about how to open them up and reseal them for use again? I’ve opened both the paper and plastic shot shells with a jackknife before. I thought about resealing them with superglue but was afraid I’d raise the case pressure too much?
I know in the Great Depression between the lack of OR cost of buckshot-slugs Deer were taken with cut shells and reloads were an oddity. Maybe for lack of the tools needed? I read somewhere about field reloads being done with very little equipment?
Nobody I know has enough buckshot-slugs and bulk trap loads are everywhere.
I have mixed silicone with pellets and filled the shell to good effect. I used 2 part, but if you mixed some cornstarch with caulk, it should set (otherwise, it won’t get the moisture it needs). You’re adding weight, so use fewer pellets.
CaliRefugee,
Thanks for the comment about your wife’s 20 gauge. I’ve been considering getting something smaller than the 12 gauge pump currently behind my bedroom door. What mfr/model does she have? Last gun show I went to had a bunch of Mossberg 20s, but they had the pistol grip and I think I’d rather have a regular shoulder stock. Not sure if there’s an aftermarket replacement. Have actually considered a “youth” model, but then barrel length is a little long for home defense. Any recommendations?
Thanks!
Blackpowder shooting supply company that sells roundball molds of various sizes: Dixie Gunworks
Correction: Peter Capstick’s Death in the Dark Continent was the name of his book where he talks of taking the Big 5 of Africa. The Leopard being the 5th animal mentioned. He spends much time talking of firearms and ammo he used to do this work.
Not many people made a living by putting down a charging animal. My own experience was with black bears gone rogue within National Parks. I have my own set opinions about what works these days too.
I may have been buying ammunition throughout this.
It is out there, but not as cheap as it was. $.24 for 115gr FMJ 9 or $.38 for 55gr FMJ 5.56 vs $.16 and $.23.
The rest still exists but it is off its historic lows also.
If you go up market it is easy to find. There is even rebates on it.
We have a large portion of the population enjoying trumpbucks and an early credit on their 2020 taxes. Ammunition manufacturing doesn’t usually outpace consumption.
The weird part is that it is a mid-term election year and usually things don’t get like this.
The crazy part is … Parts. Have you tried to find a Austrian lower parts kit lately? Even Midway had them for $40 6 months ago. Now you’re lucky to find a Lone Wolf kit for $70. That is when you should be worried.
There are no specifics about where the bottleneck is regarding the ammo supply chain. Lot’s of questions that haven’t been answered. We haven’t heard much about the status of U.S. ammo manufacturers, which are “essential businesses” during the COVID pandemic. Are the ammo manufacturers still working at full production capacity? If not, what is the reason? Lack of components (i.e., primers, casings, propellants, etc.)? Lack of labor? It all starts with the ammo manufacturers. The unless there is a lack of components or labor, the ammo manufacturers should be operating 24/7 to meet demand.
JN, I have wondered this myself. What is the “specific” reason. Haven’t heard any reporting. However, in my opinion, it is an example of disrupting the JIT system (just in time) which nearly every business uses today. Here’s a related article on it – though about food:
[ Read: JIT – Food Disaster Looming ]
One reason was the EPA going after smelters. The Herculaneum smelter in Mo. was the only one in the United States that could produce lead bullion from raw lead ore- a “primary smelter”. It closed about 6 years ago? during Obama. I don’t know of any others now open in the US.
Trey, I remember that – during the Obama years. Sort of forgot about that. Going after the ammo. That’s one sneaky way to do “gun control”. Additionally, I have a feeling that ammo shortages might have to do with the times we’re living in right now, with way more concerned Americans buying guns and ammo. Lets hope the manufacturers can ramp it up… !
JN,
I saw some numbers the other day that indicated that they are not able to keep up with demand.
Are.gov contracts for billions of rounds being fulfilled at the same time?
My wife and I both use Remington 870’s in 20 and 12 gauge.
I helped the police armorer fix, maintain and replace worn parts on patrol car shotguns for several departments over the years in California prior to leaving. I never got a trade school certificate. I use been using and carrying Remington 870’s since age 11 for work and play in farm fields.
I’m not saying one is better than the other. Rem 870’s are just what was always around at work and home is all.
Just bought 100 rounds 38 spec full metal jacket for total of $70 from bulkammo.com. That’s going to have to last until this shortage is over.
The discussion is OVER. Time to take action and stop bitching about the future. It will get worse. Plan on it.
Brownells.com: Gold Medal Match (excellent ammo) .308 Win, IN STOCK…200 rnds for $268.99. $1.34 per round but it is available.
I started reloading 3 years ago and am stocking up on bullets, powder, primers and new casings if I can find them. That’s the way to go.
Keep your powder dry.
Not in Montana. Most people here reload
Reply to NH Michael: by the way, I’m sorry to hear about your mom’s passing & dads status. I wanted to pass on my condolences. My reply is a day late because it required some research and confirmation. My source book for info regarding shotshells and reloading using buckshot comes from the manual: Reloading for Shotgunners by Kurt D. Fackler and M.L. McPherson. This is the same manual I recommended to Joe C. on this site. To make field-expedient buckshot loads from trap loads these days, I have done (as an experiment) and lived to tell the tale (no bulged barrels, I have all my fingers, toes and both eyes are intact and functioning) the following to trap or target loads: Most target hulls are plastic and they are sealed with a crimp over a measured portion of #7.5 or #8 sized shot. ( 1 or 1-1/8 oz shot weight ). #1 I cut the crimp off (carving forward toward the muzzle end of how the shell will feed). I use a sharp knife and go around the crimp of the shell in order to remove the crimp only. ( I try to not remove too much plastic.) #2. I… Read more ยป
Thanks Calirefugee for the information and the condolences. After 16 days my demented father finally asked “where is my wife?” and I had the sad duty to tell him she died July 4th. Hurts to see such a gentle old man in anguish. I feel the Angel of Death nearby.
So in short carefully cut the top rim off, dump the shot for reuse, fill with better shot, place a wad over it and tape closed?
How do I know it’s promotional loads with the lousy shot shells? Are the bulk trap loads ok?
Always hug your wife and spin those cats friend.
NHM, Hang in there, I have walked in those shoes.
Thanks Just Sayin’
I have been visiting here off and on for a number of years and thought I might write. Re: ammo shortage. I think this is a cyclic event and this time is different because added to the list of regular shooters and preppers and ammo hoarders is the new group of 1st time gun owners. Hunting license purchases have not gone up. I was on travel near D.C. last month and watched a news feature (very positive!) about the huge number of 1st time black women pistol-buyers in the area. It was the only thing positive about pistols I have seen in the mainstream news in a very long time. Many people, even those that dislike guns of any kind, see their value when large groups can evade their space or threaten their life or livelihood. This shortage will run up until there is an abundance again and since more people purchased and more people hoarded, the amount of ammo and cost savings available during that abundance will be a good time to stock up again. Note. After that period there will be another shortage. And after that another abundance. This will be followed by a shortage.
I understand that the episode with the Black Panthers in the 60โs & 70โs led to more gun restrictions in California.
Will the NFAC result in the same thing? In GA., KY.?
Iโll answer my own question.
โ Open carry being blamed for violence in Atlanta โ on captainsjournal. 2A restrictions to follow ?
Louisville, KY. Is next. July 25.
Will open carry be blamed ?
Will 2A restrictions follow ?
JN 3:16 – Care to elaborate? Wife and I are actually right by the ‘ville. What am I missing? Haven’t been paying too much attention to the Breonna Taylor shooting hoopla nor any of the mess downtown. I do carry. Thanks much.
MSG12B,
Tons of YouTube on NFAC.
Next rally 7/25 in Louisville.
MSG12B,
Concerned about an outcome similar to the Mulford Act of 1967.
So far, Louisville has to abide by Frankfort’s rules. They both have anti-gun Democrats in charge though so who knows. At this point I think we still have the majority against any new anti 2nd amendment laws. I have wondered about whether the NFAC would get stupid here when they return (assuming they do). I was actually a little surprised when the gun went off last visit that it was only them shooting at each other (ND).
Reply regarding “promo loads”or promotional loads: Usually put out by major manufacturers like Winchester, Federal or Remington-Peters. Discount dove loads available by the pallet several days prior to dove season in the Southwest. I oz #8 shot with 2.5 drams very low price with deals like 4 boxes available for further discount. These have largely replaced people reloading their own trap/target loads out there unless and until you obtain a box/case of bad ones. “brass” base is cheap metal that is prone to being ripped by the extractor of pump or autoloading shotguns. The base of the shell holding the primer is a cheap composite of glue and cardboard and the plastic walls of the case are thinner. All this leads/can lead to a failure to feed/eject empty round after the shot has been sent downrange. While this can be irritating on the trap range, it is frustrating on live birds or other game. A jammed up weapon when you are hungry and watching dinner scamper or fly away has really made me angry in the past and I have never had that happen to me when facing dangerous animals that have charged me. ( Bear #3 I was purchasing… Read more ยป
Great post Frozin_Chosin: I also obtained an AR platform when I left Cali and went to another state where there are fewer restrictions. I left some ammo, supplies and lead ingots to my local gun club before I left the “Golden State” for greener pastures. Most of us who got into reloading have done so years before Ken started this site. If you are going to hunt varmints year-round and/or compete in competitions, reloading becomes a necessity. ( I used to do both butt, given a choice, I would rather spend a day in the varmint fields as opposed to going to another tournament.) Ken did a survey months ago where asked us reloaders for data ( price of components and powder ). In the end, you do not save money by reloading because you end up shooting more. Some things have changed such that I no longer reload for some things: Standard trap loads because the price of lead shot has gone up so much it is cheaper to purchase a box from Farm Supply and you were always able to find these rounds during the last ammo drought. During the last ammo drought, I did consider obtaining a… Read more ยป
Here’s a nice article from Hershel over at the Captain’s Journal.
https://www.captainsjournal.com/2020/07/19/explaining-the-ammunition-shortage/
BG, thanks for posting that link, informative .
WallyW, today still no canned peaches, did buy tp don’t yet need.no yeast, little flour, baking goods in general very low.still no Clorox wipes 4 months in a row. Finally mandatory mask rule, yet saw several without. Local Rural king farm store had few rifle shells bought 2 boxes each .308& 30.06.virtually no handgun ammo.Looks like you should determine biggest current stock of shells in whatever cal. Then buy new gun accordingly. Although I’m well supplied all the way around. Hmmm, maybe I could use a new .270 after all! It is a caliber I don’t currently own and they did have 20 boxes of .270 rounds๐ค
Stopped by Cabelaโs today @ 1 pm to look for a 20 gauge. Was told that the waiting list to approach the firearms counter was closed for the day. Best to be there by 8 am Monday through Thursday to sign up for a time. And that the weekends were a nightmare so donโt even bother.
Anony Mee:
Excuse me, did I read that right?
A “waiting list to approach the firearms counter”????
Seriously????
OMG people we’re so screwed….
Yep, NRP, your eyes are still good.
Anonyย Mee:
Wow and I mean WOW
For all those doubters out there…
There is your sign.
PS: Just try to get ammo for that firearm you MIGHT get.
Anonyย Mee: Thanks for the reality check.
Pay attention people, this ain’t Toilet Paper we’re talking about.
NRP & Blue . . .
Good boy, Blue. . . .
Used to be take a number and wait to be called. Folks would still prowl the counter looking at options and getting in each otherโs way while waiting to be called. . . .
I presume itโs mostly overwhelming demand leading to excessive crowding and anxiety at the counter. The virus and guvโnaโs requirement for social distancing in retail locations just reinforces the prudence of, and justifies the practice of, reducing numbers at the counter. Inconvenient to be sure, but I think I will prefer a quieter counter to the last time I was there for similar purpose. Nice to be retired and able to adjust to their availability; do not envy folks who are limited to weekends.
Anony Mee and NRP,
Iโll second NRPโs โWowโ.
Many of us felt it coming, and now feel it getting worse by the day, some days worse by the hour.
Itโs waking up every morning knowing there will be more bad news that day, and knowing we are still in the early days of all of this.
I canโt imagine how a person who is just starting to recognize what us going on around us would feel right now. Shocked, frightened, wondering where to turn?
For anyone out there who is just starting to prep – you best get moving now. No more time to wonder if you should get started, or how to start. Get what you can as quickly as you can… the window is damn near closed now.
There are 2 gun store within 1/4 mile of me. Haven’t been in one of them in a while as he is very expensive, but the other one has ammo. I just bought 2 100-round bags of bulk .357 Mag for $32.00 per 100. They have all kinds of ammo.
The second store is an older store and I think they run sales to get people to come in and pull people away from the new store.
Not that I really need more ammo (I must have 40K rounds) , but it never hurts to have it.
Better to have it then to not have it and need it.
I’ve gotta tell ya… the site AmmoSeek.com has worked out well. I’ve been able to do some substantial “topping off” (though can you ever have enough? ๐ )
Ken, ammo seek has been my go to for years when I needed 9mm. It was always as cheap to buy as reload. Sometimes I would have an oddball like .357 sig or 9×18 to shoot for test/eval purposes. Ammoseek is wonderful for a old man that cant’ spend his whole day searching the internet.
Left Marxists? Lmao what sensationalist BS. If ammo shortages continue post pandemic due to Biden winning, we only have ourselves to blame for needlessly panic buying.
Especially considering Trump “Take their guns first, then due process” 2A record is shitty anyways.
Jason
Go crawl back under your bridge and squat in the darkness, you ignorant troll.
This is the first time I’ve cracked a smile all day.
tmcgyver . . .
At your service. . .
So sorry for the uproar the test results have caused you, your company, and your clients that need servicing. . .
Hereโs hoping you had no or very little exposure. . . Hearing that low viral exposure tends to lighter infection and symptoms.
I can’t even find any primers for sale other than large rifle and shotgun. Not too mention the press I was interested in is also sold out. Last I knew my small local gun shop still had a decent amount of 9mm. I have plenty of ammo and magazines for a good gun battle, but I just want to target shoot!! Lol
I think shortages are going to be the new normal for all kinds of products. Ammo being only one of them.
I see this going on for several years.
Plan ahead and be ready to buy it now when you find something you need or want.
There will always be oppertunities to get things if you plan ahead and or understand the laws of supply and demand and are willing to pay a bit more then others are.
I keep $500.00 in my van at all times to take advantage of spurr of the moment deals.
Local gun store in Woodbridge, VA received pallets of ammunition, Barnaul 300 ACC Blackout, FMJ 145 gr (Steel Casing). $12.99 per box: 20 or $$324.75 per case: 500. I got 1,000 rounds to stay afloat during the shortage.
My gun shop is limiting 100rds per caliber per brand a day so I’m just going daily 500rds a visit. American eagle 223 $9 for 20 and blazer 124 9mm for $14 isn’t terrible I’ll take what I can get.
– In WW yesterday on unrelated issues; picked up couple more of last boxes of 16 ga. #6’s for inherited SxS. That puts that particular gun up around 100 or so rounds. Unfortunately, nothing but birdshot seems to be available for that gun. Didn’t have time to research anything else, but still seems relatively well stocked.
– Papa S.
– Probably should explain, never been a big shotgun fan. My only shotgun until a few years ago was my Savage 24-C; 20 gauge single shot with a .22 single shot barrel along for the ride. I do have a couple hundred shells for it, bird, buck and slug. Where I live is scoped rifle country, and I have a couple thousand for those. Just inherited that double a couple of years ago; DW and her brother neither one wanted it. So, maybe one of these days I’ll take it out and see if it works.
– Papa
Papa Smurf did you happen to see Calirefugees reply to me about changing out the shot of a shotgun shell? I was talking about the 100 rd boxes of bulk trap shot but he walked me though remaking them with whatever shot load you wanted. Seems the main pressure is how heavy is the shot replaced. Birdshot being smaller is by volume heaver than buckshot so no problem. I’d not run them through a pump action or an autoloader but otherwise I’d trust them.
If you were closer I’d happily trade you for that Savage 24-C. I had one and it was a handy tool around the barn. No critter problem aside from a Grizzly would I be concerned about and happily I don’t live in Grizzly land ๐
– NH Michael,
In actuality, that 24-C is my favorite just out messing around/foraging gun. I have actually used cut shells in a previous life/locality, in Dad’s old single-shot 12 g Long Tom Winchester.
The 24-C will happily put 3 slugs in the Ace of the Ace of Spades at 50 yards (or meters if you prefer), and will match a pretty potent centerfire rifle in horsepower. I really wouldn’t even be overly concerned for a grizzly with it and its stock cuff in place. I have practiced with it more than a little, and can manage a pretty quick reload.
Mostly I was griping about not being able to find much of anything in 16 gauge, which I would like to have around as long as it is in my safe. I am just gradually adding what I can for that particular gun.
– Papa
– Oh, and by the way – I have done just what Cali recommended, long ago. Shotguns just are not my favorite thing to shoot. His explanation just didn’t need any input from me.
– Papa
Yep Papa Smurf you ARE one of my relations!! ๐ Cut shells and all.
I’ve actually looked at one of those pre-charged Pneumatic 50 cal rifles as a potential quiet game getter. Yes I am aware they are loud for an air gun but what a muffler might do for them? As they are not a firearm I hope the regulations about quieting them down is not yet written (but no doubt will be).
I cannot find a dump valve to finish the 72 caliber smoothbore one I built. Nothing so far I’ve tried releases the charge quickly enough to be effective. Any ideas? I kind of like the idea of a Lewis and Clark style Air Rifle that all I have to do is recharge and melt recycled lead for. That musket sized bore could do shot and ball pretty well I hear.
As far as 16 gauge ammo I have found new-old stock at various older gas stations around here. They tend to have a few boxes of older ammo in the back if you ask. Never had a misfire from them yet.
NHM,
The valve you are looking for is an airgun “poppet”valve. Search online, I saw a couple of articles just yesterday.
– NH Michael,
Actually suppressors for air guns are legal, in fact they are part of some of the over-the-counter air guns available. At least currently. You might look at some of the suppressor sites out there for a build-your-own idea for your homebuilt. I looked at them as well, but all the OTC versions I saw were just a little too pricy. I figured I would end up with Joe c.’s crossbow instead. I found a decent one for $150 that DW thinks she might want.
Very few of the older gas stations around here even have .22 anymore.
– Papa
Papa Smurf a x-bow is actually the most realistic plan. With a blunt bird ball tip you can give small game a stunning-killing thump works like Rubber Bullets in other varmints wink, wink. With bow fishing gear it’s useful for fishing and other game. Making bolts is not that difficult if you have the proper materials at hand.
Rate of fire hunting tend for me to be one shot, rate of fire for x-bows and most big bore air guns is one shot.
Will still putter around with the air-musket so thanks for the poppet valve information, seems the internal dimensions are critical for proper amount of release for max velocity.
Papa S
16 g is pretty hard to find in my neck of the woods, also.
I grab what I find…..birdshot.
Slugs and buck seem to be seasonal, but very limited supply.
My reason for buying the reloaders, both set up for 12g.
I need to purchase the change over kit for 16 to have on hand.
This a good time in the history of our country to get back to our local community self-reliance roots. In my city, the police were overwhelmed, and not even able to protect themselves, or their vehicles, even with mutual aid from several other departments. For the first time in their mostly liberal lives, families on our street realized that they would not be able to rely to respond to any kin of emergency at their home, including arsonists of family homes with family still inside! I have had conversation about family helping family, cooperation for security, and the ownership of firearms like at no other time in the 40 years we have lived here. 4 out of 5 nearby neighbors who had previously decided to not have guns have now changed their minds, and I am helping them to obtain and train with their first firearm ever owned. The best backup is not a second gun, but a human backup. And, frankly, i have more defensive quality firearms than I could ever use in an emergency, so, I am selling what I really haven’t used for a while. And, if i sell some ammo to these first time buyers too,… Read more ยป
Went to the local gun show this weekend. It was a madhouse. I had to go help a friend and family member pick out some firearms. Both first timers. The attendance was nothing like I had seen during obama or pre 2016 election.
Cheapest AR platform I saw was a S&W MP15 for $900. Standard wait to get your firearm with a CCW was 3-5 days since the system is so overloaded. Ammo was available but pricey. 223/556 was .48 – .90 a rnd and the cheap stuff was Wolf. Only 9mm I saw was Wolf and Blazer. Watched a guy buy $8700 worth of ammo. Not as sure if he was going to re-sell it or just for him.
By the time I left Sat. I was there from 9-2 there were tables completely wiped out of firearms. Over heard several people that drove over 2 hrs one way to come to the show.
A&O
Thank you for helping the first timers! Hopefully, they were able to find something suitable for their needs, and some ammunition. It is very important that we think more about helping those around us, instead of just being isolated and self-protective.
Here in Lakeview Oregon there are almost no rounds for sale. If you’re looking for a common 9mm or 223 forget it. Hope everyone has what they need, this looks to be a long dry spell.
It is to be hoped that those who have plenty of those common rounds (especially those who have an over abundance) are willing to sell or trade to those who are in need. Locally, new gun buyers may not be able to get ANY ammo at all for their new guns. That is where family, friends and neighbors can step in.
Raymond3
Selling or Trading anything that can kill me is not in my plans. Not ever.
It seems this Corona Virus pandemic and/or hoax has gotten to you all. There will be ammo but it will be limited. For those who already have a supply consider yourselves fortunate. Obama’s “slave” Joe Biden will most likely win the election. That is when the real problems will start. For the fence sitters it will get ugly, especially when ANTIFA and BLM march down your neighborhoods and torch your homes and trash your cars. God help us.
The need for ammo will really be when vaccines become mandatory. Don’t get the shot!
If we lose senate/house/potus you can expect the filibuster to be gone immediately and major, crippling gun and ammo regulations day 1.
I think whatever ammo one has now is all we’ll be able to get before long.I agree there will be crippling regs.day one.In my little burg ammo is severely limited the local rural king farm store which is the biggest gun dealer around here actually have more guns in stock with no ammo in that caliber than they ever have. It’s like check ammo availability and buy gun accordingly. I have enough of both but still buy box or two every trip to town. And no I won’t barter or sell either gun nor ammo.but if need arises I can arm someone taking refuge in my home for defense support.
went online to see if any sites selling bulk ammo had any selections. all standard calibers sold out. Even the odd calibers where sold out. went to Bass Pro and Academy Sports and they were out. What got me was that even the Lodge cookware area was stripped. The air rifle section was almost stripped bare also. one online site had .357 125gr JHP @1k rds costing $1,179.99 before S&H and taxes. Also .40 cal/1k rds over $800+. It seems we had better be judicious about going to the range and plinking for 2/3 hours. Going to be tough to replenish. NOTE: this was about two weeks ago.
Do not worry about the cost of ammo, only about finding any still for sale. We are NOT going to use it to put holes in paper, but in the bodies of the enemy.
Got an email yesterday morning from MidwayUSA that the M855’s I was waiting on had arrived. I was running out the door. By the time I got back they were gone…..
I pre-ordered 9 mm.
I found it HIGHLY UNUSUAL that the shipment date for my order was expected to be NOVEMBER 3, 2020.
Personally, I think ammo. manufacturers could keep up if they wanted to — they’re in cahoots with the butt-wipe in the WH to keep working arms out of the hands of the populace, in preparation for a military take-over of the country and ensuing dictatorship.
Socialist Troll (you did say choose an alias, after all), Care to share where you found a supplier who is allowing “pre-orders”? I have bought from many different ammo suppliers over the years. Since this current shortage began, none of them are taking back orders (never heard of pre-orders for ammo, that term is usually used for new/never before offered, products yet to be produced). I strongly suspect that your post has nothing to do about the ammo shortages, as I’m pretty sure you are not fully aware of the unprecedented surge in new gun owners who want ammo for the gun they just bought. Or those who are fearful of what they see happening on the streets of socialist run cities around the country and are buying ammo to prepare for the possible socialist take over of the country and the carnage that inevitably follows socialism. Very good bet that you are not aware of how ammo manufacturers try to keep a balance between providing ammo for public consumption and their standing orders to fill the needs of law enforcement and the military they are under contract to provide. When hit with unexpected demands, ammo manufacturers can’t wave a… Read more ยป
Amen Dennis
๐๐ค๐ป
Well said, Dennis. ๐
Right On! Even Midway wasn’t accepting “pre-orders” They just has a “Notify Me” link to enter your email and they would let you know when something was available. If you get an availability email Jump on it!! ๐ He who hesitates is Lost……
On a better note, went to the range and they were allowing you buy 1 box of target 9MM and 1 box of defensive. Practiced with the 50 target and took the other box home.
If you support the current president you should not be allowed to own a gun
SteelSoyboy
. . . .
You might find this enlightening
. . . . billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/
If you feel that way you are one reason why everyone should have at least three,
Dumbazz
What is interesting is I have found ammo available in CANADA, where the prices have not changed and the stocks are high.
However, being in the U.S.A., I cannot order this ammo. I wonder if it would pay to become an Ammo Runner…as if the ammo was Canadian Whiskey during prohibition?
I wonder if an American can even buy ammo in Canada…in Canada? Does Canada require a special for Canadians to buy ammo? Can I put a few thousand rounds in my trunk and drive it to the U.S.?
Anyway…lots of ammo in Canada.
Forget Canada!
I just spent some time trying to fathom the various laws in Canada, regarding ammo purchases, and there is NO WAY!
They have rules which limit the amount of ammo you can buy, or own, to “reasonable” amounts. However, no one knows what this amount happens to be and it is subject to the individual opinion of random officials…which could change at any time..it seems.
Oh, well.
Jack Frost You can buy ammo in Canada with a Canadian licence called a PAL, (possession and Acquisition licence). We are not necessarily limited by the government in the number of rounds that we can buy but are limited in the amount that we can keep in one location by hazardous material rules where you cannot have more than the equivalent of about 250 pounds of powder. That allows for quite a few rounds! They have to be locked up and safely stored away from unlocked firearms. Different country different rules that so far work for most of us. LGS can limit purchases and many have done so but others have not at least to the extent that I see in the states. Ammo is becoming scarce, after all we buy it from your companies or Mexico or Europe. We are at the end of the supply chain but there is still stuff kicking around if you know where to look. Just picked up 3000+ rounds of 22 Blazer at 6 cents Canadian, about 4.5 cents US before taxes and shipping. Just as we canโt shop for ammo in the US you would find it difficult to shop for stuff… Read more ยป
The child would teach the grandmother how to suck and egg?
We know what is going on..and we have watched it happening for many years.
The tyranny is spawned from your ignorance.
Ision, when I posted about the ammo my intent was just to show how crazy ammo prices have become. I agree with you about the holes punched in paper. I am a member of a gun club and live close enough I can hear the rifle reports. I believe people are sitting on their stocks and just shooting to sight in scopes. Went to Academy Sports on the 6th and if one wanted .22wmr,.243,.270 and .308 then you were in luck. Every thing else was gone. On Armslist people were asking jacked up prices for their ammo. When none is to be had, then the law of supply and demand takes over.
Ision,, as you wrote in a previous to me about not worrying about the price, just try to find it. From palmetto state armory, 1,000 rds, of .223 55grn FMJ @ $619.99 before tax and S&H. This a deal according to the ad. I will have to pass to someone with deeper pockets.
1000 rds frontier .556 nato $471.05 including shipping &tax Natchez shooters supplies . They got 50 cases today.
Thanks for the tip, Maggie’s Farm!
And for those who don’t understand “Cost Averaging” Inventory and how it applies to Ammo;
Buy regularly, every week or so a box or 3 of each caliber regardless of the price. Price swings from week to week are usually pretty low but they do happen. Don’t sweat it.
Then, every once in a while, make a bulk purchase. Again, moderate swings in price will occur but its better to have it vs. Not have any!
Red Dog Master, you are welcome.
RDM and Maggies farm: my son was surfing the web and on Ammoseek found these little gems. Tula 5.56 1krds $529.99 ,Hornady 5.561krds $640.00, PMC 1krds $724.00, 9mm/cs FMJ $550,Tula.45/cs $575,Privi Partisan .357/cs $700,Eagle .38 spec./cs $615. I understand about regularly buying ,but you have to be there when it is put out or back to empty shelves again. The prices listed are bulk. Every body is “sitting” on their ammo stores till after the election plays out. This is just my opinion, but I don’t hear the practice out at my gun club like I used to. Again, just a guess/opinion.
Yeah, I had friend text me a week ago about stack of 9mm at local store, 20 min later I was there they were all gone.Amazing . I’m pretty well stocked but still buy when I can!๐ท
Thanks Spec5
I agree, most I know are not shooting as much as normal. I know I’m not.
Strange times indeed…
RDM: My son sent me a picture of a man’s hand holding five 9mm rds twisted up like grass in a baggie and the caption underneath was ” $20 for a dime bag.” I had a mental image of someone on a dimly lit street corner selling this. “Pssst, hey bro, need to score a few rounds before hitting the mini-mart? I can hook you up!” I laughed that it might come to this to procure ammo. Good luck to all on the great ammo hunt.
Spec5-
Chad Prather made a video on YouTube titled โCoronavirus Takes The Suburbsโ when the TP/Hand Sanitizer shortage began. I found it hilarious. And from what you just described, heโll be able to make a sequel with the rounds in a baggie. ๐คช
Yesterday, at farm store was surprised they had more ammo than I’ve seen for awhile, most rifle calibers some handgun. Bought 40 rds .308 hornady whitetail and 100 rds 9 mm of some offbrand.didn’t need any of it but better have than have not. Who knows what Commie law and sleepy Joe will do about ammo prices or availability if they get in.
There’s probably not a person of lower quality than someone working in the gun/ammo industry. Thieves, that’s all they are.
– Hmmm, someone wasn’t able to find any ammo –
– Papa S.
Ya Papa
Sounds like we need to call a Waaambulance
Found this interesting, not offering an opinion, just passing on information.
The Washington Post credited The National Sports Shooting Foundation as their source.
“The foundationโs current surveys revealed that 58% of all firearm purchases were among Black men and women, the largest increase of any demographic group. Women comprised 40% of first-time gun purchasers. Retailers also noted that they are seeing a 95% increase in firearm sales and a 139% increase in ammunition sales over the same period in 2019.” โthe The Washington Post
Considering that black men and women make up 12.5% of the population, they seem to be, by far, the biggest purchasing group over the last few months than any other ethnic group.
Dennis:
GOOD!!!!!!!
I want EVERY law abiding citizen to have the ability to protect and defend themselves.
I could care less if Green Skined and Self Propagating.
Gun ownership is provided under the Constitution for a good reason.
Remember ” foriegn and domestic”.
Enough Said
NRP & Blue,
I agree. When I posted this, I purposely deleted the last paragraph I had wrote saying essentially what you said. The devil in me wanted to see how people would react to this data. Congratulations, you didn’t disappoint me.
This data comes from folks who passed the background check. Likely to back law and order, pro-2A politicians. Don’t bode well for democrat’s imagined grip on this demographic.
Dennis and NRP
Since I never had a background check done, do they really include the race, color, ethnicity, … on those checks, in those records?
hermit us BATF Form 4473 does indeed include race/ethnicity type questions as well as other nonsensical questions. See below copied and pasted; OMB No. 1140-0020U.S. Department of JusticeBureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and ExplosivesFirearms Transaction Record WARNING: The information you provide will be used to determine whether you are prohibited by Federal or State law from receiving a firearm. Certain violations of the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. 921 et. seq., are punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment and/or up to a $250,000 fine. Any person who exports a firearm without a proper authorization from either the Department of Commerce or the Department of State, as applicable, is subject to a fine of not more than $1,000,000 and up to 20 years imprisonment.Read the Notices, Instructions, and Definitions on this form. Prepare in original only at the licensed premises (including businesstemporarily conducted from a qualifying gun show or event in the same State in which the premises is located) unless the transactionqualifies under 18 U.S.C. 922(c). All entries must be handwritten in ink unless completed under ATF Rul. 2016-2. PLEASE PRINT.Transferorโs/Sellerโs Transaction Serial Number (if any)Section A – Must Be Completed By Transferor/Seller Before Transferee/Buyer Completes Section B1.Manufacturer and… Read more ยป
hermit us,
Yes, they do. White is the last option on that line. Race is one of the identifiers necessary for the FBI criminal data base.
Dennis,
Please note that a person CAN legally choose ALL of the options.
RDM,
Hadn’t heard that….would not doubt it. Would be surprised if it did not result in a lot of false positive/rejections though, in today’s “I identify as….” craziness.
hermit:
To simplify the 8 page dissertation from others…
Yes. . .
People stock on guns and ammo when Obama was elected, now people stock up on them with Trump in office. Point being, people in contemporary USA feel the need to be heavily armed no matter who is in office. The sad truth is Americans now see each other as threats and enemies. Love em or hate em the Democrats have finally wised up and are now stocking up on firearms and ammo adding to the shortages…
5.56-M855, $o.73 per round.
Where at? help a newbie out ๐
Check ammo seek dot com
7.62 NATO $o.82 per round
9MM $o.38 per round
It really SUCKS I lost all my firearms and ammo in that boating accident on Navajo Lake
UGHHHHH
Just moved the family out of NJ to the Blue Ridge Mountains of NC in June 2020. I will never live under those conditions again. (And it’s getting far worse up there now.) Now I am shooting on our own property, both my .22 and my .45 flintlock longrifles. After reading these comments I just bought 500 more rounds of .22’s. I shoot my flintlocks more since black Powder isn’t in short supply and they are ever so cool.
Visited the local gun shop yesterday, curious to see what the ammo situation was like. Last time I was there, it was one of a handful of places that didn’t require a mask, in fact, you couldn’t wear one in the store. Kind of makes sense. This time, the owner-wife practically ran over with a mask for me to wear. She said there was no need to go back to my car for mine, as I apologized and said I didn’t know about their policy change. Clown world: she pretended they had always required masks, from the beginning, because Covid-19 doesn’t discriminate between gun shops and grocery stores, etc… Very strange. I didn’t argue with her. I’m wondering if someone got a little visit from the mask police? Pretty good stock of ammo on the shelves, along with signs apologizing for the high prices. A box of 20 FMJ .223, what I consider practice rounds, was $20. The hollow points were $25. I asked owner-husband how they were doing, and he said it was just crazy in there lately. Their normal distributors are out of ammo for them, so they’ve been staying up late finding their ammo supply from various… Read more ยป
โLeft Marxistsโ? Really? Can we *please* stop vilifying people just because they believe in things like national healthcare, affordable education, racial equality and *reasonable* firearm regulations (so we donโt keep having mass shootings)? These are not extremist views, theyโre just quality-of-life issues that every other democratic first-world nation has already resolved (and I would honestly be surprised if there arenโt a decent number of more right-leaning folks who arenโt against these things). And it *is* possible to believe in this stuff and to also believe in the 2nd Amendment, as well as to enjoy shooting firearms. Iโm proof of that. We need to start looking at the shared values we have and working towards a united future, not demonizing each other simply because of some differing views. Now if youโll excuse me, Iโm going to go clean my shiny new Dan Wesson A2 (ok, technically itโs a matte finish, but you know what I mean). Be safe out there during this pandemic, and letโs all try and show more compassion and understanding towards those we may disagree with.
Are there Marxists that aren’t leftist? Why upset at the phrase?
Because they’ve been taught that Marxism is hard right conservatism. Doesn’t make sense, but I have to keep fielding this from my nephew. Marxism, Antifa, PETA, all “right wing.” Socialism is different from Marxism (regardless of the historical similarities), and please don’t forget it when speaking to anyone who believes in absolute government control.
MamaLark
I believe that the terms, “Left” or “Right” are insignificant in describing political ideologies.
Marxism is simply evil and those who desire it fall into 2 categories;
1. The Ruling Class
2. The useful idiots
Both are arguably mentally ill, sociopathic/psychopathic.
I almost added that isn’t it redundant like short dwarf. Although I guess that’s not PC, I figure since I’m about 3 inches away from having to sit in a car seat again I can use it.
David ,,,,,,well here how it is ,,,,i spent five years of my life killing commies ,so what’s changed now ,?those are not my country men riotting in the streets ,and this is not about black or white, it’s about being free ,being free to pee in the wind ,and follow ones heart ,to win or lose by my ideas and hard work , to keep the fruit of my labor ,OBTW my family is mixed race,there’s a lot I would like to say but Ken might not appreciate it ,
As for the 2 amment I’m a direct descendant of a man that killed British red coats on the Lexington road ,wasn’t that about trying to take some guns ,?not on my watch ,,
Have a ‘t’shirt ,says kill a commie for mommy
David
Gosh your example sounds like Canada. While we have our flaws and a different government then our friends to the south we are still able to buy ammo and, for the most part, the firearms of our choice.
Good words and sound ideas!
Boy,
Thats a load of horsEsHitt
These turds want to kill our country, this is why we have a 2A
David – Moving my reply over to open thread, since this conversation isn’t really about ammo shortages.
David (or rather Jason from 7/22 who first took offense to โLeft Marxistsโ) – Based on your stated belief it is clear that you havenโt a clue who Karl Marx was as a man, nor comprehend what he believed. Marx was a horrific racist. To him, progress will only occur when certain ethnic groups are swallowed up by the more powerful ones. No racial equality within that sentiment. And say what you will, but that is the epitome of extremism. Thatโs how Jews found themselves in concentration camps and furnaces. This โUnited Futureโ that you speak of is in fact the process by which the workers of the world unite without need of countries, which Marx not only believed was inevitable, he also saw that all he needed to make it happen was to eliminate the backwards people or force them to join a worldwide revolution towards Communism. Youโre fearful of mass shootings, yet mass extinctions should actually be what terrifies you. Thereโs no quality of life as you put it if youโre in the wrong group. And your supposed National Healthcare will be directly proportionate to how esteemed you are to those in power. There has been no moment… Read more ยป
David,
A couple of points;
First, thanks for your opinion. Second, allow me to educate you.
Any firearm regulation is an attempt by the ruling class to dominate the citizenry.
As far as patterning government after “democratic first world countries”…well its a Republic that the Founders gave us the architectural plans for, not a democracy.
The 2nd Amendment is not about “shooting firearms” it is simply about the ability to protect against tyranny,
Regarding “shared values”? Well I prefer rugged individualism. That is freedom.
Hope this helps and enjoy the Dan Wesson! Excellent firearms as you well know!
Ever listen to AOC and Bernie Sanders? That’s about as Marxist as it gets, so YES…the democrat party HAS embraced Marxism. That is a fact. Your so-called “national healthcare” is a perfect example of communism [Marxism]. Racial equality? Every person in this country has the EXACT SAME freedom to work hard for what they want. There are WAAAAAAYYYYYY too many black people who started from nothing and worked their way to becoming millionaires for this to even be debatable. “Reasonable firearm regulations”??? There is no such thing! When you give power-hungry buttholes the opportunity to regulate anything, they NEVER stop there. It’s all about ‘sliding it in, nice…..and….slow’, like the boiling frog analogy. “Affordable education”?? Whenever the government is granted power to regulate the price of ANYTHING, that is called Price Control. NOWHERE in a free market capitalist society, that gives maximum opportunity for people to become self reliant and prosperous, is there a place for Price Controls. That is Socialism 101, which leads to Communism. Find a Webster’s dictionary that was written before the year 2000, and look up the definitions of the 3 forms of economies: Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism. I’ll take Capitalism ANY day, as that is… Read more ยป
It’s true that banning guns decreases gun violence. Too bad knife violence increases (check out England’s knife problem). So it’s not about violence, it’s about guns, and all of us progressives want a peaceful revolution.
Oh youll get a revolution all right,
i doubt it will work out how you want it to
“Itโs true that banning guns decreases gun violence.”
That’s not true.
๏ปฟIt’s anecdotal progressive misinformation.
The real study, based on Government statistics, was done and updated by
John Lott, “More Guns, Less Crime.”
It’s simply that criminals do not attempt crimes where there are known to be
armed citizens, and especial those allowed to use concealed carry. Criminals actually leave those areas.
Hah
I show no compassion or understanding to those that want to destroy America and what the true America stands for and has stood for, for eons.
Don’t like American values, pack your bags. I’ll help you and others of the like mindset, move elsewhere.
2nd amendment:
“I like shooting, hunting”
That’s not what the second stands for.
1000 rounds in Ammo Can, $600, 25,000 rounds in stock, one can per person.
400 rounds in ammo can, $299 has 40 ammo cans, 1 per person.
Wow
$600 for a 1000 of what?
Good thing we don’t own g u n s.
Ammo bartering?
Joe c:
Ohhhh shit, I was talking 5.56.
Sorry.
NRP
No need to be sorry,
Blue forgot.
Understandable
Dawg paws
All I’m looking for is 10 gauge ammo for fall hunting and nothing worth buying in any shot sizes that work, complete bullshit when I know it’s not because there are millions of these guns out there. Been that way going on ten years of shortages on anything useful…Trump 2020 or blood in the streets….
Bryan, I was able to find 10 gauge at a local gun shop. It was turkey load, 5 or 4 shot lead, boxes of five, about a $1.50 a shell. Nothing in non-lead so migratory bird hunting is out. Also found some slugs and buckshot in five packs. Not very many packs on the shelf, picked a few of each over a few weeks, did not see any restock. Not helpful for you, but just info, I usually check small shops, i gave up on shopping larger stores and online.
Town is completely out of popular calibers. Shops have no idea what will come or when. Bi-Mart, which said yesterday to come back this afternoon, today said that replenishment truck didnโt even show up today. Not just for ammo but everything. Did pick up more shotgun shells. In case of varmints, you know.
Local store has a limit of 5 boxes for .223/5.56 plus 45 and 9 mm. Cashier said they get deliveries on Sunday and by Monday they are gone. There were empty shelves for other types this summer but the past couple of weekends, there seemed to be almost no empty spots on the shelves. Another cashier indicated there were a lot of cash sales unlike other retail establishments. I am presuming they are remaining gray with regard to their ammo purchases.
Good to hear they are still making ammo. The shelves are still bare here in N IL. I’m surprised your even able to get those calibers. Those have been gone here for months.
My gun range can’t get ammo from suppliers, that means that concerned Americans aren’t buying it; someone is diverting it directly from the manufacturers. Who? Police? Military?
Len,
You ask a great question and we all wonder where all the ammo is going every time we see a short supply.
I cannot answer the question but I can give you a suggestion that will make you chuckle every time ammo gets in short supply rather than worry about procuring ammo. Here it is;
Buy ammo regularly. Do not be concerned with the price. Buy when its high and buy when its low. Cost average. A box here and a box there adds up.
Then once in a while make a bulk purchase.
Before long you will have a nice store of your own ammo. Good luck!
Stopped at local sporting goods store this morning. Happened to overhear manager tell customer service – no ammo came on the truck today. He said they are having trouble getting any. Just a couple weeks ago they seemed fairly well stocked. Also lead weights for fishing but that is an issue with non-domestic sourcing.
All your panic buying is just making rich people richer. The world is not ending. The Proud Boys wonโt be patrolling the street. Trump is not going to declare martial law. Portland is not on fire. Obama and Soros are not coming to get your guns. There wonโt be any UN blue helmets in the streets.
Stop and think! The big money boys want you panicky to get your money and your vote. Calm down.
Thanks Old Engineer for the post! Allow me to counter with some FACTS!
First, a good strategy to avoid panic buying is to buy regularly! It adds up!
2nd, Every day that passes is one day closer to God’s plan! I believe that!
Third, I’ve heard of the proud boys but don’t really know much about them. hence they must not be much of a force?
4th, I believe that most politicians would be delighted to declare some sort of martial law or at least increase their silly power hungry mandates as much as they can. It is what they do.
Fifth, Portland OR certainly does appear to be a city with out rule of law. That is a fact.
6th, Obama, Soros, Dems and Repubes and anyone else who makes their millions/billions from government do want to relieve We the People of their “Arms”. They have been slowly chipping away at it for a long time…
Hope this helps!
Even .22 shotshell birdshot is gone everywhere, and online too. That is completely strange to me as almost NOBODY uses that. I’ve got a bad sparrow problem in my barn, and although I ‘could’ trap them, it’s much easier to use 22 birdshot. It’s freekin’ weird out there right now.
Checked with Dick’s in my area and was told that they sellout in minutes. Associate said it all goes to runners (10 t0 12) who line up before it opens and buy it all up. Seems they would put a limit on purchases but I guess profit is profit to them.
I need SP 62 grain .22315.56mm and Federal-Tactical Bonded 62 grain .22315.56mm
Bryan Buchanan,
Thanks for giving us a heads up!
I’ll make a note …Bryan B needs SP 62 grain .22315.56mm and Federal-Tactical Bonded 62 grain .22315.56mm
Got it!
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It took one day, election day, to end the ammo shortage in 2016. This time around is different not only being it’s not just a few calibers out but most, and add in how the left will react if trump wins, it will only get worse. Worse than that is a biden win where gun control will be priority number 1. Either way the days of affordable guns and ammo are over, honestly it’s been over since late 90s when i could walk into pawn shop and buy a new polytech ak for 399, or a romak for 189. But now this hobby, this love, this right will only be attainable to the rich and connected. I’ve said this a lot of times for a lot of reasons and I’ll say it again. It’s over for the little guy.
I can still find some 9mm online but the prices are ridiculous. 500 rounds that I used to pay $188 for is now $399 at one online source.
In Tucson, Arizona, Sportsman’s Warehouse is completely out of .308 and 10mm. Last week in Show Low, Arizona, I found some inexpensive 7.62×51 FMJ. Back in August I was in southeastern Idaho and they had a fairly reasonable selection. I was able to get a few different kinds of .308 (including the last box of Federal Power Shok which nobody else noticed because it was in the wrong spot on the shelf at Cabelas) and some Buffalo Bore 10mm hard cast (for bears). All of it was at normal prices.
Traveled central Nebraska this past weekend with my sisters for the annual flea market/garage sale event. In several small communities, businesses advertise in the guide as well including some gun shops. I was able to obtain some 45 rounds for my husband. A little pricey but he hasn’t been practicing because of the shortage. The shop owner admitted he had 9 mm but wasn’t selling any as he needed it for his own use. I appreciated his honesty, but this event draws people from all over and who knew whether someone else in the shop heard his comment as well. The shop was a small storage shed in the owner’s yard out in the country. I recalled in some of my reading on other blog sites the recommendation to own weapons that used the most popular rounds because then those rounds would be available WTSHTF. It certainly doesn’t seem that is going to be the case. With these continuing ammo shortages, is it advisable to consider acquiring less “popular” guns whose ammo is available? Or wait for the supply chain to unkink?
MamaLark, personally I suspect that the ammo supply chain might NOT unkink. Look to what you have, determine if that is what you need. Odd ball calibers are an option if you NEED more weapons but GET that Ammo as you get that weapon. Soon enough even those Oddball calibers will sell out and not be restocked. Odds are IF and When ammo manufacturers start catching up on it it will be the most profitable commonly desired ammos. Time might come where a “Shot” of Whiskey is indeed worth the trade of a 45 Long Colt Cartridge. Or a few 9mm a chicken. Self defense becomes MORE important when the scent of burning houses are in the air and Police are not responding. I never suggest folks max out credit cards BECAUSE History has shown Bankers and Government (But I repeat myself) ALWAYS get their Money-Taxes. But I do suggest looking at things you can do with out to buy MORE of what is important. I still take my 94 year old Dad out for a weekly lunch because at his age and dementia Quality of Life is important for him. He gets seriously depressed a few days after the… Read more ยป
Thanks. That is my concern in waiting. It’s unexpected based on past reading and limited experience. Fortunately we have been blessed to have the option to buy hi priced or buy other weapons for which ammo is available. I just need information to share with DH to start the conversation. He is generally suffering from normalcy bias thinking this to shall pass.
Yes,
God help DJT get re elected
yes
Kula,
something something about trolls….
Farmgirl,
just couldnt help myself, feelin more snarky than usual
๐ ๐ค๐ป
I would have to disagree wholeheartedly with that sentiment, HI.
God help YOU.
No, really.
You are going to need it, my friend, cuz a hurtin’ is a comin’ in his next term.
And it ain’t gonna be purty. Not for y’all at least.
In fact, it could get rather ugly. ‘Specially if ya ain’t got’ny muntions.
But soldier on, troll. Soldier on.
Big retailers like Sportsman’s Warehouse, Cabelas, and Big 5 are still getting ammo, but it’s hit and miss. I busted out my .17 and .22 cal springer rifles until this nonsense ends. Tons of cheap springer/airgun ammo available and it keeps my shooting skills sharp. The current price gouging by some retailers will be duly noted.
Local stores including 1 listed above are getting ammo but not enough for the demand. Truck comes in and it’s sold quickly. A few will send out emails when it arrives. Wondering if anyone has used ship to store for online orders? Are you able to get what you want?
milsurp ammo is cheap still, though
Where pray tell did you find “Cheap Milsurp Ammo” friend? Aside from commercial 7.62X39mm Russian ammo there is no military surplus ammo I can find.
NH Michael: I found a half a case of PMC .223 Remington on my front porch last night. A benefactor split his with me. Apparently there is no problem finding it in Arizona. Not quite Mil-Surp, but better than nothing.
tmcgyver ammo can be found. I know where I could secure a few K of green tip if I was in the market. Price is the question isn’t it. Some argue it’s too expensive. What is the value of a fully loaded magazine when “Peaceful Protestors” are showing up with as a friend of mine might comment “Bottles of Flaming Peace”?
So far they don’t play in NH because our DA’s are not owned by Soros. Sadly in 30 some days that may change.
Buy it NOW folks, don’t max out your credit card but get it. An American Sporting Rifle makes a poor club, especially when Antifa is carrying firearms.
For the first time in my life I can’t find premium hunting ammunition. I’m talking stuff that is normally $2+ a round in the cheap times.
Have got to wonder why sleazy Joe wants to grab guns when clearly the population thinks they need them.