Amount Of Protein You Need | Got Enough In Your Food Storage?


Do you have a long term food storage for ‘just-in-case’? How much of that food has any significant amount of protein? Carbohydrates are easy to store. But what about proteins sufficient enough for your daily needs as a human being?

What is protein?

Protein is a macro nutrient necessary for the proper growth and function of the human body. Among other things, proteins are also the building blocks for muscles. We all need protein – in varying amounts – to live a healthy life.

Proteins are part of every cell, tissue, and organ in our bodies.

How much protein do I need?

( Protein in Canned Meat | What’s Best? )

There is considerable debate over the amount of protein that a person needs to consume each day for optimal health and well being.

Recommendations vary. Some lean towards the orientation of vegans or vegetarians which may suggest lower amounts of protein (compared to others). Other sources recommended higher numbers (than vegan recommendations).

I’m not here to fight that, one way or another.

However, I did read (some time ago) according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), in general it’s recommended that 10–35% of your daily calories come from protein. Take it for what it’s worth… It’s a guideline.

Below are the Recommended Dietary Allowances (RDA) for different age groups.

Grams of protein needed each day:

WOMEN age 19+ (46 grams or 1.6 ounces)
MEN age 19+ (56 grams or 2 ounces)

1 – 3 (13 grams or 0.5 ounces)
4 – 8 (19 grams or 0.7 ounces)
9 – 13 (34 grams or 1.2 ounces)

Girls ages 14 – 18 (46 grams or 1.6 pounces)
Boys ages 14 – 18 (52 grams or 1.8 ounces)

The following list indicates the amount of protein in various foods (grams and percentage).


List of protein in foods

Percent protein by weight, and number of grams
per 100 grams (3.5 ounces, or about 1/4-pound) of food.

Chicken, Breast (31)
Turkey, Breast (30)
Seeds, Pumpkin, dried (30)
Beef, Eye of Round (29)
Turkeky, Leg (28)
Beef, Ribeye filet (28)
Beef, Tenderloin steak (28)
Beef, Chuck, shoulder (26)
Pork, Loin, blade chops (25)
Chicken, Leg (24)
Fish, Bass (24)
Beef, Ground, 70% lean (23)
Fish, Trout (23)
Seeds, Sunflower, dried (21)
Fish, Catfish (18)
Ham, Regular, sliced (17)
Tomato, sun-dried (14)
Egg, whole (14)
Wheat Flour, whole grain (13)
Sobyeans, green, raw (13)
Beans, Black (9)
Beans, Pinto (9)
Beans, Kidney (9)
Peas, green (5%)
Corn, sweet, yellow (4)
Spinach, raw (3)
Broccoli, raw (3)
Milk, whole (3)
Rice, white, long grain (3)
Potato, russet, baked (3)
Watercress, raw (2)
Cauliflower, raw (2)
Beans-Green, snap, raw (2)

The Takeaway

If one doesn’t have a source of ‘meat’, it looks like one would need to consume quite a lot of particular protein-rich vegetables, eggs, wheat, (see list above) etc.. to get the recommended daily intake of protein each day.

It would be a good exercise to calculate your protein consumption needs – and figure out if you have enough protein in your ‘deep storage’.

A chest freezer is a great way to store meats. While it won’t hold up if the power goes out for long, it’s easy. Home canning your own meats is another option to consider:

Pressure Canning Chicken | How To Do It Yourself

Continue reading: Rice & Beans, A Survival Combination

Canned Premium Chicken Breast
Canned Keystone Ground Beef

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  1. Wonder if what the % protein by weight is for cats, dogs and rats? I would imagine Horse and mule are similar to Beef.

    Hey its good enough for the Chinese and Muslims. That is what you would call a “diverse Diet”

    Let’s face it, in SHFT there will be a lot of mystery meat stews. Keep an open mind when it comes to eating protein… I know, I know just thinking about the Donner party ;)

    1. White Cracker –

      Funny isn’t it that humans are attracted to eat animals that themselves are vegetarian; cows, chickens and such. Yet we are repulsed at the thought of eating carnivorous animals, like the cat, dog and rat you mentioned. I’ve often wondered about that; not sure why it is so. Maybe you know, or have an opinion.

      1. It’s my understanding that carnivorous animals aren’t as tender and that they have a different taste.

      2. Think eating one’s pet is of course unpleasant. Dogs sometimes eat feces… Cats eat out the intestines of mice they catch. Rats well they harbor disease so it can be a little touch and go eating one. I never have eating a rat but I am open to it if there are no other options. I think Song bird stew is an option. It was on the dinner table during the great depression…

        We got some big old birds down in S.FL Plenty of good meat.

          1. But seeing how im getting a little over 2 dozen eggs a day, maybe ill just eat the eggs

          2. Umm
            Nailbanger, Old Chevy and I voice for sardines in a can.

            Is that a protein,.or a certified snack…?

      3. White Cracker
        ACDH has eaten rat but only what came out of the fields per his Cambodian cook.

        You do not eat city sewer rats, of course an exception can be made for a few demorats. Yet do to age they would require a extremely large pressure cooker for tenderization . 😉
        Village/city rats eat garbage which I doubt you would want in your evening meal.

      4. Is it not true that canivors are exposed to various diseases that are hosted by their prey.
        Therefore less likely to be acquired by an herbivore.

    2. DH and I discussed eating the dog, or bartering the dog meat. That will not fly. But the wild horses…that will fly.

    3. Speaking of eating rat, my Dad use to tell me about having Muskrat stew a lot during the Depression. He just really liked it, but I never got up the nerve to try it. I don’t know why it wouldn’t be good though. Also, there are Muskrat just about everywhere there are ponds, lakes, slews, etc. They would be an abundant supply of meat, and not to hard to catch either.

      1. BigBadCat
        I have eaten escargot and survived. Dh and a friend made dinner one evening for us, and I was served Mountain Oysters. Yes, he is still with me.
        We just celebrated our 42 wedding anniversary. The next question is he allowed in the kitchen. He** no rowl

        Muskrat pelts I have heard make great hats/gloves, just have to learn how to tan them. Ask Kulafarmer.

        1. Muskrat and beaver are great table fare. Slow cooker and mashed potatoes can make anything good though

          1. Muskrat Man
            Way off topic, dude.
            None of those canned proteins are sold at Wally World. And evidently canned means, store bought, not a ‘can it yourself variety’

            Load up on hazzardous waste of Spam.

            Via Healthline website:

            “Spam is a type of processed meat, and thus eating it may be associated with a higher risk of diabetes, heart disease, COPD, high blood pressure and certain types of cancer.”

            I would post further, but wayyy off topic…

            But who cares, right?

            We all gonna die…. sometime.
            And imma fumbduck

          2. Muskrat man,
            How close is the taste of beaver to coon? Is it a red meat? is texture more like beef than pork or chicken? Dad said he had eaten Muskrat and Beaver, but i have not had the opportunity…any tips on preparing….. favorite recipe?.

          3. Just Sayin,
            Beaver is dark red meat. Shot a big one Ol’ Jake caught knawing on my sheltering trees. Skinned it out, meat look great, DW told me, ” DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!” Me and Jake sulked around the rest of the day.

      2. BigBadCat muskrat and nutria are actually excellent eating if cleaned properly and plenty of peppers. As unlike “Rats” don’t eat garbage rather they eat swamp vegetation they are pretty safe unless (and a BIG Unless) someone’s dumping sewage into their swamp.

        Know your surface water, look around for folks “Adding” stuff like that odd oil slick around that backyard mechanics area, and smells of sewage from a bad septic tank-leech field.

        Even fishing there could be a bad idea.

    4. Due to surgery been counting protein for years. have upped our game on protein over last 2 years. Having chickens and wabbits has helped us …
      1 oz meat=7 grams protein. ..source no matter.beef, pork, chicken, duck, turkey, turtle, snake, fish, possum, coon, rabbit, alligator tail,(any slow critters)

      Most bread sl. 1-2 grams/serving/depends on type.
      Veggies have a little 1-2 gram per cup.
      5 saltine squares 1 gram.
      nut butters vary with amount of set serving …Peanut butter=2 tbsp=8gram. rarely eat beans so don’t count them…

      1. Remember to combine proteins. Most vegetables have incomplete protein that is not usable except to convert into calories or store as fat.

        Combine legumes (beans, peas, lentils, peanuts) with other vegetables or grains.
        Combine nuts (except peanuts) with vegetables, grains, legumes or peanuts.
        Combine grains with nuts or legumes.
        Combine grains with dairy.

        (1) Legumes, (2) other vegetables & grains, and (3) nuts are each missing or low in a different amino acid. Combine any two and you have a complete protein. Also, milk is especially rich in a protein that is missing in grains, so the two work together.

        Think of it like this: Suppose you decide to make a cake, but you discover you are out of eggs. Your neighbor has plenty of everything needed to bake a cake except flour. Another neighbor is out of sugar. None of you can bake a cake. But any two of you can get together and make a delicious cake.

        Just remember that all amino acids need to be supplied in the same meal. They don’t hang around several hours waiting for the next meal, but are converted to fat or sugar if not used for protein.

        1. Yes, need to do the combination to get the most out of proteins! Also, keep in mind bean production is way down the last couple years because of weather conditions so store now if you have not already done so.

          It seems there is always some item, food or otherwise, that is in short supply so having a good reserve and simply topping off the supply will always be The beat practice.

        2. DaiseyK, what a good example of how many people can balance their diets…with serving complimentary foods.
          This is why we have changed our storage. If one can not eat milk, beans or nuts… no need in increasing a supply- unless you have extra to store… much food for others…
          Much of what is supposed to be combined are no ingestion/ digestion items… i t is easy to say,” if you get hungry you will eat X.”…this is… Only if it is a preference and not a medical need to make these limitations.. I now have a neighbor who got Lyme and can no longer eat beef or pork…only chicken… ..limitations are real for some people… mine are :no nuts, no /very few legumes..can eat black beans only so far.No milk or milk products. Tight limit on carbohydrates. less than 7 servings (ADA sized ones) per 24 hr. Limited digestion of fats/so those are limited as well. Limited nightshades(tomato, pepper,potato, eggplant).. 3 serv. week.( connected with blood type)
          MY Post above on protein amounts/meats is for COOKed portions per Nutritionist..around time of major gastric surgery… not packages The focus no was not on survival but on maintaining bodys ability to heal and increasing weight loss..I am almost certain the difference in my listing and the one in main article is difference n size servings and in raw vs cooked… DFM also can not eat greens until processed thru rabbit or chicken. except for 1-2 small servings per week.. Changes.mean….string beans, sweet peas,carrots, celery, onion , garlic. organic corn..okra are staples…now. Limited potatoes, sweetpotatoes,..we have some seed for sprouting. Have branched out on different grains…thinking will sprout some of those.. what we will not eat he chickens and rabbits will.
          Saw a post today, dry black eye peas can be sprouted effectively , said to taste much like sunflower sprouts…

  2. Good article Ken, stuff to think about,,,,
    Was curious about spam and canned corned beef,
    Spam, 6 2oz servings in a can, 7g of protein per.
    Canned corned beef, 6 2oz servings per can 13g of protein per serving
    Kinda high sodium, but protein is good,

  3. For whatever it’s worth, I stopped eating meat, entirely, a little over 30 years ago; and I’m no worse for the wear. Not advocating or proselytizing anything… but going without meat for a period of time – probably won’t kill you.

    1. I think we as Amerikans eat too much meat. The harsh reality is that when Shft, Our Family of 4 will be rationed to 1lb per day or 4oz per person for animal protein. We will be supplementing with rice and beans (make sure you purchase USA rice fortified with all the good nutrients). We have other Veg protein Freezedry which will help. Also make sure to stock up on Whey Protein Powders (no flavor) to help supplement protein intake. Put a scoop in your oat meal with sugar in the morning. Of course the neighbors dog will be looking pretty good after day 180.

  4. That’s why I opted for pigs. Figured with protein and fat on hand, or rather on the hoof, the rest will sort itself out. Ditto chickens, as long as one chooses a breed where the hens go broody.

    Salmon, plentiful here, is 20 grams protein per 100 grams.

    Have laid in lots of sugar and salt for curing pork and fish. Alternatively there’s cedar and alder for smoking them.

    1. Anony Mee, fruit wood that is pruned is great for smoking.. we prefer apple, ad wild cherry. No alder, i know of here… south east… have cedar…not tried it..will keep in mind.

      1. – Just FWIW, cedar wood has a nasty resinous taste. Personally, I wouldn’t recommend it.
        – Papa S.

  5. When I first started prepping, I stored a lot of dried beans, including a lot in #10 cans with a long shelf life. But now I realize those take a lot of fuel to cook. We don’t have many trees here and I couldn’t chop one down if I had one.

    So I am starting to use up my stored beans and have opted for other sources of protein, such as canned chicken and freeze dried cheese. I also have several pounds of processed cheese in my freezer. Hard cheese doesn’t store well, but processed cheese does. The kind of cheese in jars stored well too. I just opened a jar of cheese that expired in 2018 and it was fine (tasted good and didn’t kill me.) I have a lot of pasta to go with, and the kind made of white flour keeps well. Earlier I bought several #10 cans of pilot bread, too, and those are good and go well with processed cheese. I also have several $10 cans of powdered milk.

    Tuna is cheap and so are some other types of fish. But I have almost stopped buying ocean fish since Fukushima. I stopped buying tuna years ago because they kill dolphin when they harvest tuna.

    I had originally planned to grow seeds such as sunflower and squash. But the squirrels eat the sunflower seeds (my crazy next-door neighbor feeds them!) and winter squash, pumpkins, melons need a longer growing season than we have here. So I am relying mostly on dairy now.

    1. Daisy, we love the delicata squash – very easy to grow and has a sweet flavor…reminds me of a cross between sweet pumpkin and storage squash. They will even come back up in garden if you miss a few seeds or a plant.

      1. DAMediaNY

        I checked out those delecta squash. They have them at Burpee. But I see they need 80-100 days. Or you can start them indoors. But my cats eat the shoots, so I haven’t been able to start anything indoors. Even the Minnesota Midget Melons, which are supposed to be ready in 60 days, usually don’t do well here. Sometimes I get a few before frost, but they are super-midget (about 4 inches across.)

        1. Ours always come up from seeds outside. They do take a bit Of time to grow but always are ready before the end of season and we live in a colder climate area. Southwest NY is region 5 growing. We plant near end of May or beginning of June and can get frost starting in September. The Amish grow quite a bit of this particular crop in our area.

    2. DaisyK do you have a fair bit of sunshine where you live? A solar oven like Ken’s described many times on MSB will cook dried beans quite well. I understand kidney beans need a harder boil for some reason but common pinto beans and such cook well in my solar cooker.

      Dry lentils cook the fastest of all dried beans, almost as fast as the rice I cook them with.

      A Rocket stove works very well with a handful of small branches. Adding a Hay box or Retention heat Cooker (also a Ken article) for slow cooking effect you don’t have to chop so much wood? In England during the rule of Kings common folk were unable to chop down trees as they were the Kings Forest. (Sort of like the you cannot collect rainwater idea?) BUT they were allowed to take branches “By Hook or by Crook” for their cooking needs.

      The Hook btw is a English bill hook used for pruning trees and during the many wars for foot soldiers to prune humans. The crook was the poor persons long hooked stick for firewood gathering.

      1. me2
        I have a Kelly Kettle and some of those folding stoves with lots of sterno and also a case of those 50 hour liquid fuel containers. Those will work for a while. But those will be used up before I know it.

        I have a pot of lentils cooking right now. I actually like them better than most dried beans.

        1. DaisyK the Kelly Kettle is one of the neatest rocket stoves out there. Is your aluminum or stainless steel? Have you used it much yet? A hand full of twigs and you have a pot of boiling water as well as cooking on top with in reason.

          Adding a wide mouth cooking thermos (not glass inside Please! broken glass in food happens) or a homemade straw box to turn your now boiling little pot of food into a slow cooker is very useful.

          I too prefer lentils now.

          1. me2

            My Kelly Kettle is stainless steel. It is called a base camp stove. I am ashamed to say I haven’t used it since I first bought it about a decade ago. I put it back in the box and put it in the cupboard with some of my other preps.

            Ken had an article about a slow cooker you could bury and it would cook your food for hours without external heat or odor. I wish I could remember what it was. I thought about buying it back then, but money was tight.

          2. DaisyK I think the article your talking about is Thermal Slow Cooker. Please use the search box with that for it.

            The key things about a Kelly Kettle is that it Requires you to have water in that water jacket. Otherwise it’s easy to burn out the liner. The Stainless steel is stronger but I’ve seen the aluminum ones melt down running dry.

            No problem as I can always use hot water when I’m cooking. Literally a few small handfuls of dry twigs and you can cook a small pot of food easily to a boil. THEN you carefully place the lidded now boiling pot into a straw box insulated slow cooker and in a few hours dinner is ready. You could buy a nice Thermos style version and do the same thing. They usually have a inner pot you bring to boil before transferring to the insulated pot.

            IF you happen to find that burial able slow cooker please post the article title, I want one!

    3. – DaisyK,
      A rat trap is cheap and will take care of squirrels pretty quietly. if you check them often, the squirrel can be dressed out for dinner as well. Could be a back-up plan at least. What the neighbors don’t know won’t feed them!
      – Papa S.

      1. Papa,

        I have a squirrel trap and used it once. But I couldn’t bear to kill the one I caught.

        1. Daisy K use a rat trap and it will do the kill. you will just be salvaging the meat.

    4. DaisyK
      You bring up a good point with regards to cooking/fuel/energy?
      How will people cook? Fuel canisters run out. Electric can be unavailable, gas supply may be off.
      So then what?
      Yea solar cooker, sorta, in a pinch, better than nothing.
      Stuff to think about. If you are in the middle of a city living on the 8th floor?
      Or if you live somewhere it never stops raining? And have no covered storage,
      We have trees on our place, quite a few, for us. But what happens when the neighbor decides they want some of my shrubry to burn so they can cook their cat?
      This stuff will get ugly at some point. I can feel it in my bones. People have none of the decency, manners, respect that folks had in the early 1900s and before.
      Better harden your hearts, thats a prep that could get you killed if you fail to do it.
      Because regardles if we are WOROL, somebody else is willing to kill you for something you have. We already have that going on, and these are the good old days. Just imagine after the lights have been off for a couple weeks. Doesnt matter what caused that, more likely than not it wont be some extravagant international intrigue but rather the crews couldnt work because they were sick, or overwhelmed and your area is low priority, or the trucks were broken or because of could be anything, mundane or even not even related to them.

      1. Have eaten ham cooked thus. Take a lard can, put in ham, pour in boiling water, cover, cover cover, say with straw, or bury, or wrap with many quilts. This is probably on you tube. After about 24 hours it is cooked.

    5. DaisyK
      Those squirrels, if they are like our grey squirrel in Jefferson. You can add them to the protein requirement. They may small but they fry like chicken, and for a person of one the could provide you with two meals in little package.
      Use a pellet rifle to take down for dinner.

  6. Our sources for protein are, Chick Filet, Mac Donald’s, and Burger King. (sarcasm)

    Only animal we own is our dog and would die before we even considered eating her. We have many large cattle ranches near and are close church friends with the owners so I guess that we would trade something else for some beef. ( After the Preps run out) However, given the rapid spread of the WU FLU we all have better have what we need ” at home” and don’t count on interaction with others too much, I guess.

    Mr. White Cracker is forgetting Gators, snakes , coyotes, deer, frogs, lizards, and wild hogs as food sources. The Florida’s swamps, rivers, fresh water springs, and oceans are a “food factory” !

    Stay safe, God Bless , and watch our fur dem hogs !

    1. didn’t want to give away my stash of wild meat supplies and let everyone else know about them. We have Endless freshwater canals for fishin, gator birds and turtles around me. We are well stocked with snags, gigs, gill nets, gator and snapper hooks with steel leads + traps for blue crab.

      Fishin poles are for cityslickers

      1. I had some of that gator meat at a friends house once, and all I can say is “yum”. Wish we had some of them gators up north here. I wonder how those big pythons in Florida glades taste?

        1. BBC, If you do not scare/frighten/struggle with snake, and make it mad… it tastes like farm raised chicken.. rattler i ate long ago… friend said he tried another kind… ..same result… what a lot of meat those python that are not native would have…! meat source…!

  7. I was busy on Amazon this week as I managed to break a couple of my house tools – two different types of mops. I have always had replacement brooms on hand but never did do the mops. We increased our dog and cat food stores too. I also wanted to stock up on animal crackers. Weird treat I know, but everyone, including the dog and goats, love them.

    I ordered our midget white turkeys. We have had several different types of turkeys, including wild, over the last several years and haven’t found one that we want to over winter and have breed successfully the next year. Well, the wild turkeys did fine, but the meat is not quite as tender. The birds are rather slender. The larger birds do not breed well and really were too large weighing in at over 30 and 40 lbs when harvested. So I am looking forward to our test of these midget white turkeys.

    We are enjoying the cross of our Ameracauna and Astralorp chickens. Just enough broody without all of them going broody. They lay a good size olive egg, cold and heat hardy, and get along well with each other. In our one group of thirty two chickens, I am getting 18 to 22 eggs each day right now and we have been in the high teens. I do not use artificial light or any heat. But I did add buckwheat to their feed this past fall and feel it has worked well for us.

    We continue to enjoy our American Guinea hogs. They are just a neat breed of pig and easy to manage. We overwinter them in our large, hard fenced garden area. Yes, it tends to get muddy from time to time (add more hay or sawdust). Take them out of garden area once pastures are growing again. Put the chickens in the garden for scratch and peck. And we actually have several chickens that stay with the hogs all the time, even to sleep…their choice. We grow crops two months after pigs leave garden pen. We use portable three sided huts that We designed and had built specifically for their use. In cold winter months, we lag bolt on half door to front and huts face south in garden area. The pigs all do fine, including the piglets that arrived in the summer. They eat lots of hay and a custom feed ground medium that we turn to mash that consists mostly of peas, small grains and sunflower meal – no soy no GMO. The flavor of these hogs is amazing!

    We are hoping to better utilize our garden area this year. The young couple that will now be farming on north side wants to share garden this year as they won’t have time to get their garden establish this spring (they are building their home this year). My focus will be greens, green beans, and root crops.

    We have a contract on my dad’s home in FL so we are hoping it closes as planned end of March. That will be one more thing off my list of concerns.

    I have been thinking of Stardust, Peanut, And Pio a lot lately. Especially as I got so busy with life and it is harder to check in here. I hope you are all safe and healthy. Take care all. Stay safe, healthy, alert…..and well stocked.

  8. Ken, A good point for all to consider!

    In the 1930’s in my area people hunted deer to near extinction (they are back with a vengeance now). To get meat they started hunting raccoon and ‘possum. The would catch the possum live, cage it and feed it dried field corn for a week or two to “purge” it. Possums are opportunistic and will scavenge road kill. Raccoons have to be cleaned carefully to get rid of the scent glands on the back legs or you will throw out the pot you tried to cook it in. Squirrels can be caught with large rat traps screwed to the tree and baited with a small amount of peanut butter.

    I am not suggesting this is anything other than for tshtf. The point is when things get tough you have to think outside the box for protein and it may not be what you would consider when times are good.

    1. Deep South,
      I am sure you know this, because watch your vids. so posting this for the others who may have not cleaned coon..
      The easiest way to make sure you get every scent gland is to remove every piece of fat on the meat after skinned.. the scent glands will feel like a cyst…. identify and cut well away from it…. commonly located around the groin, legs, armpits, neck..better to get a little red meat than to get 1/2 cm… of a scent gland.
      Dad said when he was a teenager, if it was roadkill they ate it! If it was on the road, they tried to MAKE it roadkill. DGP or he or one of older boys found and brought in and cleaned, DGM would fix it and it be edible…including ground hog… wild pig. snake,turtle.( he preferred fried and neck of the turtle.) He said all prepared basically the same cleaned pressured til tender then baked with sweetpotatoes… or bbq’d

      1. Just Sayin’,

        May have to change my alias. Not the Deep South on youtube. Wasn’t aware he even existed.

        1. it’s ok, deep south is a big place… you post w/same restraint .. is probably a cultural mannerism. there is already a deep south bama too. So prob are just as well leaving it… glad to have you here. me tn based.

    1. Yep, we keep a supply of canned chicken too (be sure to try and use/rotate it so that it doesn’t get too old on the shelf — we try to get through ours within ~1 year). I’m sure 2 years would be fine too. Just saying. First in, First out. Rotate. Store what you eat and eat what you store…

      We also pressure-can chicken. It’s a process, and not for everyone. But it’s another way to keep protein on the shelf with no refrigeration required during storage.

      1. when
        I first home canned chicken my DH called it a “science project” and said he’d never try it. that was five yrs ago. he had some for supper last night :)

  9. Most vegans and vegetarians rely on protein supplements for their protein. It’s hard to get enough protein from a vegan diet.

    There are people who thrive on it. There are also people whose bodies essentially fall apart. I have a friend who calls himself a carnivore–eats nothing BUT meat. An expensive diet, but it works for him.

    Different people have different protein needs. Know your body, know what it needs and how it reacts so you can feed it what it needs, not what your next door neighbor says works for him (or her. Most of the strict vegans I know are female).

    1. Hi Lauren –

      I’m no strict vegan, coffee with half-half, cheese on a sandwich or whatever is all good for me. And like Daisy mentioned, I love all kinds of dish made with lentils, nuts, beans, anything grown in the ground or from a tree, etc. I’m 6 feet, 200 pounds and have been known to unload a Monday morning container, by hand; while our warehouse guys are still home nursing a hangover.

      My daughter, OTOH, is a strict vegan, of her own accord; I actually discouraged it. And she competes at college level track and field. You’re right! Know your own body and follow that lead. Everyone’s different.

      1. TMC
        The other part of that is balance, vegan or vegetarian is fine and dandy, as long as you balance that diet, at least if you want to be healthy you will, this applies to any diet, if someone ate nothing but meat they would get sick, same as if all they ate was lettuce, they would get sick, variety and a balanced variety of fruits, nuts, lean protein and vegetables is best, can substitute a variety of high protein plant and nut stuff in there, but it does take paying attention to it all.

    2. Meat has some amino acids we need that plants do not have. My vegan friend uses Bragg liquid Aminos. It is made from soy.

    3. Lauren, I’m a 45 years old male who has been a vegan (or actually whole food plan based) for ten years and a vegetarian for over 20 years. I do sports and some bodybuilding (kettlebells) and have never relied on protein supplements. Protein has never been a problem to me nor to any vegans I know. I feel strong and healthy, actually even more than in my early 20s when my diet was still more “standard”.

  10. The pumpkin seeds are an interesting one, they are quite good, can be added to all sorts of dishes or eaten by them selves, are good for mens health too, specificly prostate. Being an oily seed they will go rancid if they get old. But a good source of protein for sure. Anybody in a mild climate can easily grow pumpkins like the Kakai that has large hulless seeds, doesnt even matter about bugs for that one.

  11. Soybeans for 100 grams have 16+ grams of protein, so thats a good one.
    Fermented soy is the best way to eat it, this cuts the esto mimic that you have heard about, also improves the digestion of the protein.
    You can store soybeans much like wheat/rice/beans, and in bulk are quite inexpensive. Get a good Tofu making kit, or learn how to make soy pasta, basicly what won ton wrappers or egg roll wrappers or saimein are.

    1. Soy has estrogen properties. I think it why there are more effeminate men these days. Many also have soy allergy.

      1. Unless its fermented, like miso, tofu, soybean curd used to make noodles or pi, thats what a chef friend said, gotta check it out

      2. I guess it still has estrogenic properties, but so small it really shouldnt matter, all case studies were extremely large consumption over a normal,

      3. Kula, Mrs U,
        The estrogenic components in soy are not good for women who have had breast cancer. DW is a 2x survivor, so we avoid soy like the plague .Makes it hard to buy stuff, soy is used as a filler in everything!

  12. Was sending this to a friend and said maybe MSB could use it too.

    Hello Mic, a Sunday thought for you of Hope and the power and provision of our God.

    Poor Man’s Quinoa, you know that superfood? Also known as that darn weed…..

    Lambs Quarter, aka Fat Hen, Goosefoot and such. Grows well LIKE A WEED, it’s name Fat Hen is because chickens thrive on it. Self seeds, overwinters here in NH and I’ve been (DUH) pulling it or mowing it down to control it’s spreading.

    Like the dandelion it was BROUGHT over from Europe as a Spring Tonic garden plant.

    Treat it as a high protein spinach. 100 grams is 4.2 grams protein 309 mg calcium, 72 mg phosphorous, 80 mg Vitamin C and 11K IU of Vitamin A. Almost nothing aside from a rampaging flock of chickens can damage it. Not even Michael’s lawnmower stops it from returning.

    You can harvest parts of it all season so it regrows, the leaves like spinach, the tender shoots like string beans. When it dies off the seeds are almost equal to Quinoa, cut the plant off at the ground, place in a 5 gallon bucket, let dry more bash it around and the mature black seeds await your winnowing. Compost or as you use lawn clipping Silage for Chickens the rest) Can be used the same as a very high protein addition. Just “Don’t Eat your SEED Corn” eh?

    Leaves can be sun dried for use later in winter for soups-stews etc.

    Steaming is recommended for cooking or a add late to a soup greens as to preserve the Vitamin C (water soluble)

    Guess who’s going to LET that WEED grow in his garden this year!


    Between Lambs Quarter and Kudzu (look it up) healthy greens with decent protein shouldn’t be a problem for preppers or their small livestock. Kudzu was brought over for high protein animal feed.

    1. Me2, this stuff (lambs ear) is prolific at our place. We pull it for our pigs and chickens but had not thought about eating for us prior. We are going to try it this year.

    2. DAMedinNY sounds good. Just remember just like spinach high in oxalate acid so eat in moderation if your prone to urinary stones. Or dress with vinegar to reduce that issue.

      The seeds are said to be almost identical to Quinoa and I’m looking to see if it is indeed a complete protein like Quinoa seeds. I find when I’m out for a long day in the fields two tablespoons of Quinoa keeps me from getting hungry for most of the day. No not enough calories for daily use but a useful oddity as the Aztec Warriors treasured it for that reason when they were the Kings long distance runner-communication system.

      And to think I used to fight it in my garden while bugs were destroying my spinach!

  13. I’ve been filling 5 gallon buckets with 4oz canned pole-caught fish and poultry lately. Been really cheap lately, like often less than a buck a can. Recently filled one with Hormel ham also (seems kind of gross, slightly worse than Dak, but maybe I just got a less than stellar can to try?). Mostly for diversity/portability. Problem is some of it is mostly water and only has like 140 calories per can.

    As far as I can tell it never really goes bad. Or at least the stuff 15+ years old. It does slowly turn to mush at some point, not sure when. Don’t have any in the 5-10 year range to try out.

  14. I have a good supply of tinned meats in the form of Spam for fried rice and Corned Beef Hash to cook up with eggs before work.

    The last years I did a lot of big game hunting within California, I made a personal vow to hunt only those species that were considered: “Agricultural Pests”. Thus I spent my time and money going after feral pigs in rural areas of the state with the aid of a guide service.

    It is easy to understand why the deer population dropped during the Great Depression of 1929 because the reproductive rate of deer and members of the deer family is relatively low at 1-2 per litter on an annual basis. The pig or wild hog has a much higher reproductive rate and greater numbers of young within a litter and they reach maturity at a faster rate.

    If there is another great economic crash where people go hungry or need protein, the pigs, rabbits and chickens will probably be the protein source that provides the most protein on the hoof for resources spent on feed and care.

    The beef industry will survive the onslaught of the “Meatless Burger” craze that is popular right now. ( just another source of protein.) When times are tough, people will be a lot less picky about the source of the available protein.

  15. As an aside, I recently heard a doctor say that pork has a detrimental effect on health. When it comes down to it, if that’s all that there is, then look out porky! 🐖

    1. There’s likely a detrimental effect on everything in excess. Which is why I push the notion of food diversity for preparedness.

      I would love to bite into a juicy 1 1/4″ thick steak every night. But that probably wouldn’t be good for my health on a regular basis. So, maybe every other day? (just kidding).

      Anyway, pork, beef, chicken, fish, other protein foods (legumes, other etc., with protein) — mix it up.

      That said, a BBQ pulled-pork sandwich is awful darn good.

    2. re: pork being detrimental to health.

      I suspect that is more true in a diet of excess than a diet of sustenance. In a true, shtf, striving to survive lifestyle, where you are burning up all the calories being taken in, I doubt your health would suffer because of fat calories, no matter what the source.

      Like you, I can’t imagine starvation as a better alternative than consuming pork. I can’t imagine life without bacon……or ham………….or pork chops……..

    1. Jabba,
      My preferred is JIF Creamy, yum.

      TONS of calories too – great for survival. I always keep an inventory of this magic creamy butter.

      7 grams of protein in 2 tablespoons (along with 190 calories).

      Too much peanut butter, and you will get fat. But again, great for survival.

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