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Some more of that unprepared untrained tolerant left:
Man dies after attacking immigration prison
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/police-kill-man-allegedly-attacking-immigration-prison-64316401
Something happened that I considered a failure point that needed addressing. I know my place but I don’t know my kids places. They should but…..
My sons hot water heater thermocouple went out. I get the part and go over to help him. He goes out to shut the gas off. Several minutes go by and he don’t come back so I go to check on him. Turns out his valve was buried in the dirt and we had to dig it out. Then it was so froze up that I had to use a cheater bar. Just for reference I’m 6’ 230 and lift daily and started with a 12” wrench. He’s no slack either and it wasn’t happening.
My point on this is go out now and find this stuff then actually try it because not only did this happen but the inside shut off valve was already broken from the prior owner unbeknownst to us.
My water shut off tool is zip tied to my chain link fence right by it. You don’t even notice it.
Earthquakes, tornadoes or just stuff breaking requires tools and know how to save what’s left. Don’t wait for something to happen go find it and actually turn it off and on now.
Matt in Oklahoma good ideas. I keep a gas shut off wrench on a nail on basement wall and turn the main water shut off several times a year. Made sure everyone in house knows where all shut offs are (water gas electric) taking a few minutes to teach everyone can pay off in a disaster or just a busted water line
D B Cooper
You got a particular one you use? All I’ve ever used is a wrench but I’d like to have a dedicated one. I look at a 4 in 1 tool on amazon but I dunno. My daughter and wife would need a cheater bar most likely. I can’t get a cheater on the particular model.
I’m gonna buy one for each household.
Matt I have the 4 in 1 non sparking one from amazon
Ok that’s the ones I was looking at. Thx
Just came from the Walmart. I don’t buy caned veggies there, or do my big grocery shopping there, so don’t pay much attention. Went down the canned veggies aisle out of curiosity. Sure enough, shortage signs and empty shelves. Also noticed, as others have mentioned, many products were lined up along the fronts of shelves, to make it look fuller, but empty behind the front rows.
In the Mitten
Can you tell me what general area/state that is in?
Don’t break any OPSEC if your not comfortable though I’m just trying to figure out why it’s only in certain areas.
Yes, interesting. Our wally is full north of Nashville.
PNW coastie here
Local Wmart looks like normal, lots of canned veg etc on shelves. They’re having a hard time hiring enough workers so shelves are not currently restocked all day long.
Hi Anony Me,
I was just wondering if ya wanted to get together when ya head over he mountains in the 30th?
If ya can’t, I understand. Just want to line up my daughter to watch the Grandboys ☺️.
PEACE to all,
MadFab
Mad fab ,,,,,check my post yesterday to Joe c and sage,,,,,,,,,,,,, Oldhomesteader
Absolutely Mad Fab!
Am free Thu Aug 1 from mid-day as long as I get to the airport by 7:30 pm. Was planning on checking out Seattle Fabrics on Aurora Ave near Northgate. Have you ever been there?
Alternatively could meet in Monroe area Fri Aug 2 anytime. Whatever works for you.
Mid Michigan area.
In the Mitten
Thanks
Interesting
In the Mitten, Welcome fellow Mid Michigander.
Do you shop @ Meijers? They seem to have quite a bit of canned goods but I’m finding things like beans, rice are not plentiful as before.
Hello to all, we’re back from visiting Son1 and family. Had a blast but gaga & grandpa found out we don’t take to the heat as well anymore as we used to :(. Youngest grand daughter (2.5) is a fearless daredevil, everything her older sibs (14,12) did, she wanted to do. She just has to grow a few more inches LOL. Found a book on Small space vegetable gardening while we were down there as well as a small patio set for the deck. Seems to happen every time we go down there, we find something that we can use at home that we’ve been looking for up here. Good thing we drive down.We were worried we were going to lose the tomatoes but they are going strong as are the peppers and salad greens. DH is bummed one of his plants didn’t make it due to no rain and the heat. He forgot to ask Son2 to water for us. But it looks like we brought the rain with us so here’s hoping it’s been enough to salvage the garden.We hit a couple of garage/estate sales while we were down south. I was hoping I could find some cast iron pots and pans but no such luck.
hope you all have a great summer and stay safe.
This morning was dedicated to PM on the generator. Let it run for about 30 minutes, cut the gas off and ran the carburetor dry. All the rain we’ve had eroded the soil around the blocks I use for a foundation and to level it, so I re-leveled the ground and re-set the blocks. Did some minor repairs to the small house I built to protect it from the elements. Almost got too hot. Was wringing wet with sweat, and beginning to feel weak. I came to the house and am cooling off now.
Game camera captured a bunch more pictures of the bear last night. Appears to be the same bear. Guess I’ll quit feeding it before it becomes a nuisance.
Some have mentioned salt tablets. I must have taken a couple hundred pounds (exaggeration, but not by much) of them back during two-a-days in the Texas August heat. They were about the same color as mineral blocks you buy for cattle. You’d sweat out your uniform, and when it dried, it would stand on it’s own with crystallized salt.
Wife mentioned BBQ beef sandwich, so guess I’ll partake.
“Eat’in good in the neighborhood.”
It’s a cork-ah.
From Dennis:
Whoa! That’s a big ‘un!
Dennis has a weird looking dog lol
Matt,
Don’t bark much, but keeps the prowlers away. Little hard to give a bath. Between him and the pet snakes, don’t have many visitors. Can’t figure out why. Well….might be the daily gun fire on my range……………..
Love those bear poses! lol Thanks for sharing them!
We use a game camera, too, and really enjoy looking at the photos from our woods.
We have a black bear who comes in and out of our place these days. The attraction is the stream, of course. One particular photo has him with his snout nearly pressing onto the camera! They are so silly!
At this time, we have 4 bucks and it’s so interesting to watch their antler development! One young buck enjoys hanging around watching my husband, and that buck’s favorite ‘hangout’ is standing on top of the horse manure mound. lol
We have yet to get a photo of a bobcat, but we see tracks every so often. I have heard bobcat just before dawn, but never seen one here in the wild, darnit!
I have spotted mountain lion here, too (not on our property). One lion was at the very northern tip of the County where I live, walking near a chicken run. The whole family got to see it! (Guess what he was after?) Fish & Wildlife swear they’re not here. I wonder how they explained the road-kill lion on the side of the road that day I spotted it there and called VDOT to have it removed. Bet it was the talk of the agency…not that Fish & Wildlife would admit to it. Too much panic in the ‘burbs.
Same deal with NH F&G. There was a single verified sighting…they say that they are transient lions passing through…if there was a verified breeding pair, then that would require a management plan and they are quite understaffed as it is, so….
Also, I wanted to mention separately the canned foods at a Walmart near us. I went today and saw the infamous “canned food shortage” signage.
So I stopped and studied the shelf contents. The only canned foods that were missing were canned vegetables from the Libby brand. The Walmart brand and DelMonte canned foods had a good supply on the shelves.
There were no shortages in fruit canned foods at all.
Snyder at Economic Collapse did an article about this but it was mostly a collection of social media posts from people around the US showing Walmart shelves.
I’ll wager that before long, we will see price increases in many foods from the stores.
Ice Age farmer on youtube is speculating on the green peas which has signs as a shortage.
He posted later (in community, not as a video) that Krogers said it was because of a bad harvest season.
Lauren ,,,,mrs,,usmc,,, neighbor farmer didn’t plant peas this year , said who is John Galt? And smiled ,,,,also said ‘i can live without them ,
So who IS JOHN GALT ,??,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Oldhomesteader at the hayyouranch2
I’m old enough to remember when Jonny Carson made a Joke about a Nation wide shortage of Toilet Paper AND the herd response that created an ACTUAL Shortage.
My parents didn’t rush out to buy extra TP because they did not believe it or maybe lack of extra funds? I remember using crumpled dampened Newspaper as TP and having to burn it in the burn barrel. Not fun.
I also remember the rumors that created the 22 ammo shortage. My friends working at Wal-mart assured me they were receiving almost normal shipments but the 22 vultures were there at 0600 grabbing all that was unboxed. I know it was true as I too 22 ammo Vulture’d as our kids shooting club needed ammo.
So from my POV it doesn’t matter if the shortage is rumor or true, HERD response can leave you with out. And because of supply and demand PRICES will rise. Have you noticed the price of 22 ammo is still well above what it was before the panic?
If you buy extra canned food that you eat and store it properly/rotate it what are you out of? You have two years plus for best used by dates from my store checking and we know it’s good for far more time.
Too much food in the house? As my Grandmother would say “Such a PROBLEM”.
Note to self: Get a First Aid Kit for the garage
Ken J
Something happen you made you require that ” First Aid Kit” for the garage?
happen ‘which’ made you require that FAK?
Yep, accidentally stabbed my palm with a screwdriver. The thing is, about 2 seconds before it slipped, I thought to myself I shouldnt be forcing it this hard. After that it was about applying pressure to stop the bleeding! Made me think about keeping some trauma First Aid in the barn rather than having to make it to the house. My bad…
I’ve been dehydrating bags of onions as well as frozen mixed veggies from Costco in case we have shortages or huge price increases resulting from the weather problems in farming country this year. Once the veggies are dry, I put them in saved glass jars or canning jars and them vacuum sealing the jars. Heaven knows we’d be pretty darned hungry if we had to rely on what our garden is producing this year!
Sage
Yup you are a go-getter, for sure!
Trying to stay cool. Sadie’s fan has been on 24/7. It’s not too bad in the barn.
Strong winds in some part of the day. Branches, leaves and water buckets scattered in the yard.
If Oldhomesteader can forward to you, I sent him some pics of Sadie. You have my permission, OH.
Dennis
Nice, good sized bear.
Are ya gonna love him and hold him and squeeze him and call him George?
Joe c,
One of my favorite cartoon characters. Can’t remember the name, but was an abominable snowman (sasquatch). I used to use that phrase quite often. Love it when he would spank whoever happened to be the object of his affection, their head shooting out with every lick,while he said “you’ve been a bad boy George”. LOL. Thanks for the memories.
Dennis
Hugo the abominable snowman.
Daffy duck was George.
Howdy MSB folks. I’ve not posted anything in a while. Well because this old man hasn’t had time. I spent time reading and studying on all the other postings. We sure live in strange times, but I reckon lots of other people have thought that as well. I couldn’t say if we have any shortages at our local wally world. I stay out of that meth monkey hell. We have a HEB here. I go there or to the local Dollar General if I don’t want to drive all the way to town. I like living far outten the woods. People leave me and mine alone. But the internet gets a little spotty. Ha!
So here is the update from east Texas if you’uns care to hear it. IT’S HOT! That article on the dew point was a dead ringer for how it is. We thought we was gonna get a little rain from that storm named Barry but I got less than a tenth. So the raised bed have been getting watered on a steady basis. Tomatoes, peppers, onions, and squash have done well. My berries didn’t grow worth a hoot this year. Pears and pecans look to have a good crop as well. The okra is bloomed out good and looking to make a good crop. Corn looks fair so far. All the rain early in the year had led to lots of fawns, coyote pups, and feral pigs. Snakes are everywhere.
We are in the best times for firearms this old man has ever seen. If you like guns, go buy them now. I’m a sucker for S&W revolvers. I have purchased more than a man can shoot. I’m also a big fan of double barrels which are bit more troublesome to find these days. Although they are starting to turn up in auctions and sale papers.
The garage sales and 2nd hand sales are really good right now. Which bothers me a bit because sometimes that’s an big nod that bad times are upon us. People are selling good tools, antiques, and furniture at too good of a deal. And they sell collections. Them deals are out there if you are looking.
Finally, thanks for all the stuff y’all post on here. I enjoy reading it. Some weeks I can’t get on here. I’m just busy. Other weeks I can get caught up. As I near a long career in public service, I advise each of you to live below your means and never leave an unkind word to your family. Tell them you love them every chance you get.
Dennis
👍
I faintly recall that cartoon, also.
Can’t put my finger on it….
BGinTX
Good words.
Been trying to be the middleman ( I dislike it) this past week for son and I’m not so sure of future DIL.
I know first hand what she is dealing with…..been there with the boy’s mother.
When I left, I gave em both a hug and told them I loved them and that I cannot give either of you advice on what to do. I can listen to both sides, give my own input on personal experience, and give you both our support.
Is sad. They are both good kids. But a relationship cannot go forward without trust and constant jealousy.
JOE C ,,,,nice calf ,, cows and calfs will grow on you ,,, and come when I call them ,and follow us around ,like a really big puppy.
SAGE. sent you a fwd with pictures of Joe’s calf let me know if it comes through ,
Oldhomesteader at the hayyouranch2 ,,,,,,,,,,
Lest any one forget ,who is John galt?
Oldhomesteader & Sage
Thanks to ya both.
Yeah I typed a mistake
Dad had both Jerseys and Holstein.
Seems as though Holstein had some added adjectives….. English lesson….
Yup, my brother is pretty darned excited…..milk, cheese, butter. Still have mom’s butter churn….the cream separator has been returned, back to off.set family, decades ago.
I will put bro to work that’s for sure.
Too long a wait for milk production……and maybe a couple, three yrs for reproduction, OH.
Hold on to that saved semen.
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Joe C,
I’ve been told sayings all my life from both sets of grandparents and my folks. Some are funny and meant to make you laugh. Like somebody mad might be hotter than a 3-ball tomcat. Or some ol boy wearing out his welcome at a buffet is said to be pitching until he wins. Other times the sayings are said with a gentle voice and intention. The ones that come to mind in your situation are loving words are spoken like the good rain. They come slowly and gentle so that they soak in good to last. The other saying that comes to mind is a man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with an opinion.
Good luck on a tough situation.
👍
Thanks, BG in TX
It’s raining cats & dogs here right now, and tomorrow it’s to be 95f.
Froze some beet greens today that my little Impala blanched.
Also have a lot of turnip greens to do.
More than halfway through July, so much to do yet.
Sheep farm north of here lost several dozen sheep to wolves.
Anybody heard from tmcGyver lately? Last post I saw was just post earthquake?
Concerned
Me2 I was wondering about him too. Miss his posts he’s like having a man on the inside. Like it or not most things start in California and work east
Anony Me,
Friday in Monroe will be better for me. Hubby leave again on the 1st so busy getting him off. How about mid morning so you can get away from the “Flatlanders parade” over Stevens Pass. All of the folks headed to their place in Chelan lol
Let me know if that works for you.
Can’t wait to put a face to the name and great posts☺️.
PEACE to all
MadFab
How about Main Street cafe at 10 a.m.?
Anony Me,
That sounds great!
Cannot wait☺️
See ya then.
PEACE
MadFab
I’ll be the old gal in braids and a blue shirt. And glasses.
Anony Me,
I’ll be the old gal with short blonde hair and sunglasses🙂
See ya then
MadFab
DOJ just announced the release of 3100 inmates as part of criminal reform act. Everyone deserves a second chance and hopefully they pick the ones that truly regret their decisions and want a better life not ones that will just prey on the community they get released in until they get picked up again
The releases have been going on a while. The selection has zero do with the regret or pretend regret of the criminal. It has everything to do with money and cutbacks. It won’t be any more successful than the ones O did during his term.
Oh yeah, just like to old guy who killed his wife. Judge let him out thinking he was too old and had not the desire anymore to hurt anyone. Tried to kill a young woman he became infatuated with and did kill another woman after that. Evil knows no age limit.
No unfortunately evil doesn’t. They are in there because of the number of people their crimes effected.
Some will make it, others won’t and about an equal number will go back in on new charges usually within months.
I’ll be glad when I retire. I’m tired of seeing them over and over, the same families too and I’d like to watch the nightly news and not know the guys name before the reporter says it.
Lauren, what size is your greenhouse?
I am trying to decide on size of my addition to greenhouse. Thank you for info.
uk-flagged-tanker-seized-by-irans-revolutionary-guard-in-strait-of-hormuz. Hope this doesn’t get out of control
I’m not looking for action outta the brits anymore than what we’ve done.
They’ve become just as ineffective as we are at taking care of business over there especially on the water.
I’d be shocked to see an operation and an expecting “negotiations” and harsh talk.
Welp they just took a second one.
Matt In Oklahoma you’re probably right nothing will come of it. Did just see they actually took a second ship today. Glad my daughter is out of that area. She just got back from her first deployment yesterday
I’m glad she made it back safe.
Matt in Oklahoma thanks. It sure was something to see the ships come in with all the sailors standing on the deck
lol our ” government ” is great at starting trouble that it cannot finish !
D. B. Cooper,
They have now seized 2 UK flagged ships. Both from international waters.
I am sooo not ready for things to get sporty. Keep thinking about what Dennis was saying about sleeper cells just waiting in our country for the go ahead from their country of origin.
PEACE, no REALLY, PEACE to ALL.
MadFab
Mad fab I keep thinking about what Dennis said also. Pretty crazy for them to take two ships in one day. If we do nothing it will only make them continue if we do something then who knows where this goes
It’s called piracy, and it was the way of life across most of the world until the US spanked the barbary pirates. Since then it’s been the US policy not to pay ransom. Except that the last few generations of presidents have done the political concessions thing, which is worse in a way.
Brits need to put security onboard their ships.
D B Cooper, Mad Fab, Mat in OK,-
I think we here in America are to close to the forest to see the trees. We are seeing our situation through jaded eyes, watching the slow slide to anarchy. We need to try seeing what it must look like through the eyes of those who hate us.
Our borders are being over run, our major cities are becoming cesspools of homeless vagrants, breeding grounds for pestilence and disease. Our prisons overflowing, felons being given early release, state’s attorneys no longer prosecuting property crimes. Liberal judges blocking every effort of our President to address these problems. One legislative branch ignoring everything, in favor of destroying the executive branch. Anarchist militias attacking citizens with protection of mayors and city council people, police ordered to stand down. The media stoking the flames of division and hate, lashing out non-stop against Trump.
Now, if you were of a mind to destroy a country. If you had taken a vow to destroy that country. If you have been preparing for decades to do just that. Would you, or would you not, through their eyes, not see our current condition as ripe for attack? Or at least a test probe?
Understand, these cells inside our country that I’ve spoken of, are self supporting. They live, work, go to school among us. But they hate everything about us. Many are second and third generation Americans. They are willing, if not desiring to die for their cause. They have unwitting allies among liberal educated/brainwashed young (and old) people.
I could go on and on. Take time to see what our enemies see, then maybe you will begin to fathom the hole we’ve dug.
Other than that, things looking good on the mountain.
Dennis well said sir as always. Live for today because tomorrow sure seems to be questionable. I don’t think this train wreck can be stopped
I’ve been saying we are due for a long time. We train for it. I can’t say much more other than I’ve had to work with some.
I carry much more than normal in the truck for just such an attack.
Mopp 4, rifle armor, rifle caliber etc.
Matt you aren’t the only one. Did p m c s on mask the other day. Pulled out my mopp suits. My mich and iotv are now e d c. Trunk gun upgraded from 3030 to m4. Hizballah and IRGC have recently been arrested by FBI. Press reporting indicates cells doing preoperational activities.
Glad to hear. Paranoia likes company.
Yeah my brain bucket only comes out at night with the nvg. I think in this heat it might do me more harm than good.
If I come up with a new hole in my forehead you can say “told ya so” lol
By e d c not wearing on seat in reach. Going to the ranch has started to look like loadout for A Stan. My nodes mounted on bump helmet. Hope all this is just informed paranoia. Have no. idea. About food shortages at wall Mart. Won’t go in have a long term 7year old bet that I don’t need anything bad enough to go there.
Trying my best to live out a normal life in abnormal times. Have no pressing reasons to venture far from home base, so am avoiding doing that. Hoping I’m wrong, but reading too much sign to ignore it. Shoring up the weak spots in order to hunker down at a moments notice. Made propane order yesterday to fill our storage. PM’ed the generator, filled all gasoline storage containers to capacity today (100+ gallons on hand). The larder’s pretty much full. The old man’s tired, but I’ve got a family to protect, nurture, and provide for. Don’t see that job going away. Have asked the Lord to give me the time and vigor to do just that before He calls me home. He should have given up on me a long time ago, but that’s not in His vocabulary. May His will be done.
Good night all. I’ll mention y’all when I’m telling Him how much I appreciate His care and provision for me, when we talk tonight. Wouldn’t hurt for all of us to spend some time thanking Him tonight. See y’all tomorrow.
Dennis I admire your open faith. Your not the silent majority afraid to offend the overly sensitive. We will all pass from this earth, it’s a short journey compared to forever. It’s good to be listed in the Book of Life.
I don’t want you to bust OPSEC but I am hopeful you’ve given some effort to hardening your home from intruders. Even a “Garden” Shed built with 360 degree visibility, 2-4 inches of gravel between the walls, a underground 225 gallon IBC water tank, a porti potty and metal sheathed for fire resistance is better than most homes when trouble flies at 3,000 FPS. Castles were more than just pride as when the Knight and his troops were out fighting elsewhere the Lady of the house and the old and infirm could prevent even an army from overrunning the Stronghold with out a seige.
That shed will be a very hard target for small arms troubles.
Some will scoff what about an APC with a 30mm or a Predator Drone etc. Well if you’ve got that level of trouble your still in the Book of Life.
Just a thought. Someday we will meet when we see him face to face.
me2,
Thank you for your kind words. Your own faith shows through, also. Faith is a two edged sword. You accept God’s sovereignty, righteousness, and His forgiveness of your failures, but that same faith makes you so much more aware of your own failings when tempted to judge other’s shortcomings. In other words, when you encounter evil around you, you realize more and more why you, yourself, stand in need of forgiveness. Kind of hard to explain to those who haven’t experienced His grace.
On the subject of home protection. Because of the life I’ve lived, few are more aware of the depravity man is capable of. That knowledge has predicated much of why I prepare.
While my home place is isolated by most standards, it has weaknesses in it’s defensibility due to the scattered layout of dwellings (one home, two cabins, large barn, two out buildings, all within a couple hundred feet of each other) and 45 acres of rugged terrain surrounding the 5 or so acres of level ground where the buildings are, and ten acres of fairly open pasture.. No one position could cover all angles of possible approach. For this reason, I concentrate on most likely avenues of approach and have cultivated thorny hedge rows to make other possible avenues even less attractive, funneling possible evil-doers to where I want to engage, not their choice.
The only “hardening” of these avenues of approach has been building “hides” from tree trunks from fallen trees, arranged to provide cover from any fire directed towards them. Like everyone else, my success or failure will depend much on the size, motivation, training, and abilities of the attackers.
I pray I will never have to test the effectiveness of my defenses, but in the meantime, I continue to hone my own skills and walk my place with an eye for weaknesses.
Dennis I remember your set up from earlier discussions. And that’s why I mentioned the hardened garden shed. I am a tad younger yet I can’t cover 360 degrees without hardening and thus shelter for non combatants.
Hi me2
Trying to picture what you describe. A hardened shed with amenities to withstand medium-term assault and to hide the vulnerable in I get. But a 360 degree view would seem to defeat its protective purpose. How to get the view and still maintain the protection? Thx.
Anony Mee think about the need to keep a watch 360 degrees. The shed is one room so you can easily sneak a peek all 4 sides pretty easily. You could even use non-combatants to keep watch. An alert Granny or child can warn you?
If someone can get to the base of your shed unobserved that would be bad. Then the benefits of having bullet resistant walls is on Their Side. You cannot shoot at them with out leaving your shed. A thrown bottle of flaming gasoline is nasty as I have witnessed it in action. Even with metal siding enough burning material will make it bad inside that shed. Even a can of wasp spray being sprayed into your shed would be harsh.
How to do this? Windows on all sides with heavy steel shutters (know a welder young lady?) on all sides, use strong hinges (recycled Door Hinges works well) that when the shutter is closed the hinges are hidden so pins cannot be removed. Shutters become fire ports so you can shoot out but outsiders have a tiny target to return the favors. Hopefully they will not twig too soon that the shed is nearly bullet proof and waste ammo shooting at the walls.
How do we keep them away from the base of that sheds walls? Well once SHTF some additional defenses like barbed wire about ten yards or so from the shed would help. Why 10 yards? Mainly because it’s hard to throw a liter bottle full of gasoline that far. I’ve given it a try a few times with water filled liter bottles aiming at window sized targets. I had to be standing up and thus a great target to get shot trying.
2 Story Garden Sheds should have a larger second floor like the old log forts did. Much more structural work 4 x 4 X members on all sides to make all that 2nd story gravel stable but the ability to shoot downward on top of rude people trying to burn you out is good.
Again the idea is to build a well disguised (USEFUL before SHTF as a garden shed?)outside safe room at a reasonable price (mine was around 1K but I am a good scrounger) as INSIDE Safe Rooms suffer from the issues that there IS NO 911 to call while you wait in there and they can simply burn you out as you cannot shoot at them 360 degrees.
Please feel free to ask if you think of more questions. As we said in the Army no stupid questions, just people too stupid (or afraid) to ask questions. I’ve read many of your posts, your not stupid.
Thanks me2
Think I’ll stick with my conex boxes. More expensive than $1k but lot less work. Easy enough to cut sight holes in them.
Mee2
If the world has degraded to that point,
Is it really worth stivking around?
Just a thought
Tommyboy the answer is yes. I remember many horrible times in my life. I pondered why do I continue to try as death seems a better choice. I can accept my own death as Gods will but I cannot abandon others who depend on me.
“This too will pass” has allowed many a SURVIVOR of German Concentration Camps to carry on. Some of my ancestors survived Dachau can I take the cowards way out in honor?
Anony Mee just a gentle question. After you cut firing ports in that conex box does it stop returning fire? From the few I’ve seen around the Middle East I’d say no unless you build sandbag walls around it or inside it.
I don’t have access to one to test fire some various caliber small arms at it but I know that the 2-4 inches gravel supported by plywood does stop small arms fire until the plywood is destroyed enough to allow the gravel to fall out. Aside from a medium machine gun firing at it that’s a lot of small arms fire at one location of the shed.
That and my neighbors don’t know that garden shed is anything odd. A conex would get me talked about 🙂
Hey me2
We’re lucky here. No permits needed for anything up to 800 sf as long as not connected to utilities. Everyone nearby has acreage and has containers or sheds of all sorts of configurations. Neighbors just moved two 40’ers to the back of their property.
My work in a previous life included evaluating structures for hardening with regard to blast resistance, which for me always included fire resistance as well. Rule of thumb – blast attenuates over distance and time. Did some work on ballistic resistance as well.
Would depend on what’s coming your way, and from what distance. Shipping containers are good against most small arms, but some larger, faster, and/or closer munitions could get through, depending. Initial impact would slow a projectile significantly, so storing items around the walls, like sacks of grain, hay bales, etc would continue the attenuation. Could not find much research on this though. USG has used plain containers, filled containers, and super-hardened containers in a variety of risky environments.
Expecting that this dead-end road out in the inhospitable boonies sees little in the way of armed conflict. But, JIC . . .
Dennis:
Who was it that said “We have met the enemy and he is us”.
Destruction from within is ths sadest kind.
Be well my friend, your words are powerful.
I saw a bumper sticker yesterday in Wally World parking lot. Only 3 words……..LEGALIZE THE CONSTITUTION. 👍
I want one!
luv ya’ll, Beach’n
Pogo
NRP, I believe it was an old cartoon character named POGO that said it . I seem to remember reading it one day in a book of Pogo cartoons my dad had when I was a kid.
Dennis
“They are willing, if not desiring to die for their cause.”
I’m also included
My cause
AMERICA
The Bill and Constitution of the United States of America.
One Nation, Under God, Indivisible……..
Dennis, destabilization before future crises.
Since Dennis started it with the bears, here are a few kitty pictures from my property:
You and Dennis have the worst taste in lap dogs.
Here kitty, kitty.
aw, how neat. Of course I am a cat person. Looks big for Bob. Is it a Bob.
Tail looks to short for a lion but could have lost part of it.
Wow Ken what dose Sampson think of these? They look like they could carry him away for a snack…
Acdh said it looks like it was a cross between a mountain lion and bobcat. They just grow larger critters in your area for the colder weather…
They are a pretty animals.
Ken J,
We’re u over at my place last week?
Lol
MadFab
Ken,
That cat crossing the road is what we call a Wampus Cat here in the south. I’ve only seen one bob cat that big in my life. It too was crossing an unpaved road about 2 miles from my old home in NE Texas. It had 3 kittens with it, broad daylight, and when it stopped in the center of the road to stare me and my pick-up down, the kittens were walking in and out between her legs. Good pictures.
KEN ,,,you have a cross breed ,cougar × bobcat ,have had both as pets /house guests ,,cougar was called miss kitty ,bob cat was simply BOB ,,most common reaction was oh s%÷t or oh jesus ,though about calling BOB that ,call the kitty when you see him ,ha ha
Wow!
If you didn’t think the world has lost their minds, a restaurant is serving a chocolate mousse in a toilet and people are eating it
What about the town of Berkley California. All gender has been removed from their city papers etc. A man hole is now a maintenance hole. Don’t know about ya’ll but that sounds plain ole nasty to me.
Humans are now hu-persons, and of course humanity is now hu-personity. “Maneuver” is now “person-euver”, and finally “woman” would be “womb-person”.
Gender is a social construct…there is no womb-people…anyone can carry a child…
…because GENDER is so much more important than reality!
Time to rename them all! Here are a few of the offending genderized words:
management
manipulate
manure
mangrove
manager
manuever
manners
Liberalism is a disease.
DB is that in the States now? Read an article last year about some restaurants in Japan that serve food in different ways. One of them used unusual serving dishes ie toilet bowls, bedpans among other things. Thematic restaurants are the rage there.
I think this one was an Israeli restaurant and I guess one is supposed to open in canada soon. It’s making the rounds on twitter I guess. When I checked I saw that it was really popular in Taiwan I don’t get it
Received my capsule filler and what a cool tool. Chose the 00 cap size which is common. In about 20 minutes I had filled 100 caps. This is after one fill. I did Ceylon Cinnamon first and then some Bitter Melon. These are both for sugar control. Barely put a dent in my powders.
It is a Chinese product and very precision made from Capsulcn. They have many styles most of which are for commercial use. The one I bought was the 100CL and you will need to decide on which size cap you want to use most often. The holes are engineered for one size. I plan to get another size in the future. Buy the separated caps unless you want to sit and do that yourself. So now I will be able to powder my own plants and buy bulk powders. In the long run it will pay for itself. There are two instructive videos on youtube. Just search capsulcn 100.
Mrs USMCBG, we also bought a capsule machine. Ours is called “The Capsule Machine” and made in the US (from Amazon), filling “0” cap size.
It really is such a spiffy little device! I bought it for my husband to use for his tumeric daily dose but he began putting it directly into tomato juice, then using a tiny blender to mix it well.
Wasp spray being used as a meth alternative in West Virginia can’t imagine being that desperate to get a high to think about doing this
It would probably give you a buzz.
lol !
Chevy
You made me snort hit tea this morning. Good one
MadFab
They’re gonna get stung by that one 😦
Just dumbfounded! I hate junkies. I’ve heard that when addicts go to pick up their methadone they also get FREE Narcan in case they overdose. Too much coddling going on, in my opinion.
grrrrh, Beach’n
They get handfuls of free Suboxone strips which they stay high on and abuse and also sell and smuggle to inmates in prisons.
Now law enforcement is being REQUIRED to have and use narcan. So if we don’t react fast enough now it’s our fault they ODd and they start talking discipline.
Up is down and right is left.
In my area, there was a man who ran a red light and broadsided a young mother with her children in the backseat. Her toddler died. The man who ran the red light was administered Narcan. Turns out, it was the 4th (fourth) time he had received Narcan from EMS. Now he’s a murderer. At what point do we stop putting these murderers back on the street. The hands of our Police officers, EMS and ED’s are tied. Narcan is available and must be used on these junkies. I say, they get Narcan and they get a tattoo on their forehead that says they’ve had Narcan… One Narcan dose from EMS and they get no more.
Our Police, EMS and Emergency room personnel have better things to do than to keep saving the lives of junkies who will NEVER change!!!!
Love to my Police, EMS, ED Beach’n
Beach’n
Agree 100 percent on the tattoo. I think there should be two different tattoos one is just an outline – which means you had narcan and went to treatment. The other would be colored in meaning you had narcan and would not get help so no more narcan for you
Beach’n
I’ll take it one big step further and state that all substance abusers who have been busted in any way must surrender their freedom and rights, and live in federally-sponsored Wards. These drugged-blights will be tended to, but will be removed from civil society because they have proven that they cannot conduct themselves according to civil laws. They will not have freedoms or rights returned until they have spent time within the Ward compounds, achieved long-term rehabilitation with proof, performed jobs to pay down the debts they owe to society and to taxpayers for their aberrant/junkie/alcoholic behaviors, have gained a job-related skill, and have a job lined up on the outside. Not jail or prison — but harder — because we know prison-reform is a complete farce.
Beach’n,
That report really gets me angry. I have similar feelings as you do regarding continuously saving these druggies from themselves (at our expense). How many times have they ruined other lives, as in your example. It’s just awful.
I believe in compassion to an extent. But that extent isn’t very much in some cases.
Say we stop using narcan on them, my thinking is this scourge will burn itself out, sooner or later everyone willing to use that junk will have succumbed.
Wow. Just wow. Re read the comments and it sounds like an agenda 21 handbook. I don’t approve of any of the drug crap that’s going on either. But according to the comments. Why just tattoo the addicts. Why not include anyone that has gotten a DUI. Anybody that goes to the Malibu Rehab and has a relapse? 90% of people that are movie stars or in the mucic industry. Steven Tyler. River Phoenix. Joe Walsh. Elvis. Muddy Waters? Someone who constantly drives over the speed limit and endangers 1000s of other people driving? Anyone who has gotten into a brawl. What if you have had more than 1 car wreck? Or even anyone that has a firearm and drinks beer or maybe takes pain medication? Tattoo all these people and more….? Then if they need medical assistance….. Don’t give it to them. Even if they didn’t kill anyone…or even if they did? Wow. Take a minute and figure out who decides what the future might be. Who does the tattooing. And who let’s someone die, instead of saving them regardless of what personal opinion they might have of them. Does that sound similar to another place in history??????
Again I must state that I hate the drug problems, along with all the other problems.
But couldn’t/wouldn’t let someone die because I don’t approve of them personally.
Maybe take a deep breath or two. Or take a chill pill. Or drink a drink. But don’t think about across the board extermination. Some day, you might not have a say so, in who is the exterminator and who is the exterminatee.
can you cast the first stone,
I don’t disagree with any of what you said. Folks here are good folks. Good folks get angry when they see what illicit drugs have done to our society, the toll in human suffering, and the cost laid on the backs of hard working everyday Joe’s who don’t abuse drugs. Folks will vent their anger at the visible side of the drug problem, and that’s the addicts whose lives have been destroyed.
I lost a son to drugs. Took his own life in jail. We struggled with his addiction for years. As a law enforcement officer, it devastated me that a son who was raised in church, had a loving, supportive family, would fall into that world……..but he did. He tried to explain how, after his first time trying crack, when the high faded, he couldn’t think of anything else but to have that experience again. I will never understand, because I’ve never tried it. I believe what my son said is true. If it is true, it’s also understandable why we have such a problem. I fault my son’s judgement for trying it the first time, but I blame the culture that told him it was not only “OK” but cool and hip.
I close by saying, I believe we have politicians and many wealthy, highly respected people involved in the trade that supplies this country’s addicts. I believe that’s behind much of the resistance to controlling our southern border. If I could prove that, if I could, without any doubt, identify those people, it would be hard for me to wait on the Lord and His judgement.
@dennis. Thank you for the reply. And I feel your pain about losing a loved one.
I too lost a step daughter. . I am sorry for your loss. That is feeling I wouldn’t wish on anyone. Your son and my step daughter should not be written off as tattoo able.
Too much money involved in the “war on drugs” the trafficking side distribution arrest enforcement. Prosecution defence rehabilitation incarceration etc etc. No wonder it never stops.
Dennis,
From what I know of you on MSB, I have lots of respect for you.
I too have lost a family member from drug and alcohol abuse. While they were alive, they caused so much pain to anyone who came close. They always said they didn’t understand why everyone was so upset with them. After all he “was only hurting himself”. He stole a car from a family member and was in an accident, while high. The other driver was injured badly and sued the car owner. The junkie’s parents lost just about everything trying to get him help, hiring lawyers, rehab facilities…you name it. He robbed me once and threatened to be back. I have seen both sides of addiction. I have also been the emergency room personnel trying not to be bitten while helping these people. I have friends who were emergency responders who were diagnosed with Hep C. I have also seen babies born addicted and the children who were found abused, hungry, dirty, sick because their “parents” were too busy getting high to take care of them. Yes I am angry! You betcha! I’ve seen enough and every bit of sympathy I used to have for addicts has been used up.
Please forgive my being human. I have no sympathy for addicts, people who drive while intoxicated and especially those who take the lives of others while they are partying! A baby is dead after the junkie was helped more than 4 times with narcan.
I have the utmost respect for Police Officers, Emergency Responders, Physicians, Nurses, Technologist, etc. They always take care of people when they’re at their worst and personal feelings do not get in their way.
I truly believe that Narcan is encouraging bad behavior, not helping.
I’ve been visiting MSB for many years now and you know that I’m not usually this angry person. Thank you Dennis for your beautiful comments, especially evening prayers. I’m sorry for your loss. luv, Beach’n
Beach’n,
I’m not angry at you or anyone else for their comments of disgust with drug addicts. Believe me, I’ve ran the gamut of emotions on this. I was not seeking sympathy for my experiences, nor making excuses for addicts.
Many times over my career I made arrests for drug possession and intoxication. I did it with no thoughts of compassion for those I arrested, for I had, so many times, seen the carnage some had inflicted while under the influence. Then I saw addiction in someone I loved. I saw his life being destroyed. I witnessed him trying to walk away from it, and fail. Fail time after time. I don’t think I ever fully understood what was going on inside him, why he couldn’t or wouldn’t quit.
He took his own life in jail. It was on his mother’s birthday. It changed our world. It affected every member of our family…….badly. We buried him.Two months later, I buried my 41 year old partner. A finer Christian man you will never meet. He was only six years older than our son. Put our house up for sale, sold it, I retired 3 months later. Moved out of state to the mountain. Just shy of fifteen years ago.
Maybe I shouldn’t have shared this. I’m still searching for answers. I’m still having to deal with the effects the experience had on his mother and siblings….and myself.
No anger at anyone who commented. I understand where everyone is coming from. On both sides of the discussion. Hope everyone understands where I’m coming from.
Weekly:
Accomplished:
I was given a new orange hunting vest that I’ll put in my kit. I carry one in my bag, truck and now my kit. The reason is that sometimes you wanna be seen. Say we went grid down or massive earthquake all bridges down. I work 1-2 days walk from home. By the time I get here the wife and whoever else has made it might be a tad jumpy. If I don’t reach them by cell or radio I plan on putting on my orange “marker” vest before walking in. I’d hate to be shot by my own.
I’ve successfully integrated 4 more small hens into my flock.
Changed out my water in my open top 65gl pickle barrels. It’s a good workout with 55gl of water getting them wrestled back into their hidy hole. One of them had a colony of ants tucked up in the screw ring. It was an unpleasant surprise.
Changed out a large quad hand guard to a smaller smooth bear creek arsenal mlok and large old school can style flash suppressor with a smaller lighter primary arms Troy muzzle brake on the 7”. Heading out in a bit to resight it in. These two items will make it more carry friendly and direct the blast away from the shooter or the person next to ya.
Purchases:
Picked up an Auguson Farm bucket at Walmart.
Got a few more chemlight balls from dollar tree
2 bbq Bridgford sandwiches and 1 bag of wise freeze dried strawberries
Got a new bucket toilet lid and bucket. I filled it with trash bags, TP and will add hand cleaner. It’s the backup to the backup.
Training: nothing till next week
Matt in OK,
re: toilet lid and bucket. I did the same a couple of weeks ago. Wally World camping section toilet lid for five gal bucket was around $12, new bucket $2.96, store brand small trash bags $3. Two rolls toilet paper $2. For less than $20, another back up toilet. Wise money for anyone.
Ordered a cheap sling pack to test their usefulness, mainly for my relatively short motorcycle rides. Main concerns are first aid, water purification (life straw), compass, fire making stuff, light, extra batteries, etc in the event of needing to abandon the bike and walk home. Just to add to what I always carry on my person.
Going to be oppressive heat today, according to the weather people. Y’all be careful out in it. Might be a good day to find a good shade tree and kick back.
Academy has them bucket lid toilets for $5 here man.
The sling packs are ok. I like a regular pack for most stuff to distribute the weight however for some things it really shines.
I’ve got one I got at academy that has an AR500 pack plate in it. I can swing it from my back to the front and the pockets are top up and hold spare mags, flex cuffs and medical trauma gear. The plate protects my chest cavity and I hope I never have to test it.
You could use the same swing method and move it to the front if say you had someone on the back in an emergency. It’s also better than having to remove the pack every time you want something out of it.
Matt,
Wally World 30 miles, $12. Academy Sports 120 miles, $5. Do the math.
240 miles round trip. 17 mpg.
240/17= 14.12 gallons gas
14.12($2.40 per gallon) = $33.89
One of the drawbacks to living in the boonies.
I make the trip to closest town every week or so. To town with an Academy Sports every 3-4 months. So, I take some hits on prices in favor of convenience. Small price to pay to be far removed from “civilization”
Lol I hear ya!
The main reason I go is cause they added one on the exit when I go to work.
I was just throwing it out there for anyone who might want one and can access it.
Everyone check the UV levels in your area–they’re elevated all over. Ours has been in the danger zone for a couple months.
Matt, might want to consider adding some Poo Powder from cleanwaste.com to your bucket. It gells solid waste and makes it safe to dispose of with other trash. It’s what is used in wag bags used by military, wilderness expeditions, and people with long commutes.
Neighbor I’ll check that out!
This week on trip to Virginia and back to Ohio it seemed like there weren’t as many truckers on the road. Way to many idiot drivers though. How any of us survive is amazing, the way people cut in and out. Wish people knew what the left lane was for. Off to Walmart for groceries will report back if anything is better or worse in the last few days
Back from walmart The canned goods about the same(shelves only about 35 percent full. Looked like less than 40 bags of sugar and flour looked low also. No French style of green beans which I believe someone else also said The chef boyardee isle was almost completely wiped out but they had clearanced them out between 25 cents and 75 cents a can. This is in N E Ohio
Actual air temperature in Manchester NH at 6:00 am today was 80 degrees, and heading for the high 90’s with a feel like of 105-ish.
Frequent breaks and hydrate, hydrate, hydrate if you are going to be outside.
That goes for your pets and livestock as well, if you want them to take of you, make sure to take care of them!
Great comments and pictures this week…! Will be moving in a month from a city of one million plus to the bugout permanently where the ten square miles around me has about forty people. Busy packing as we speak, or in this case, write. Will keep in touch…this is the best site out there!
jon dowe,
That’s great! I’m sure you’re very excited about the move. Congrats on getting out of the city. I recall how exciting it was for me and Mrs.J when we made our move. A whole new life…
Kudos to you and yours for making the move out!! Lots of excitement and ‘work’ ahead for you, but every step you take and every sweat you break will be better than that money in the bank. Breathe easy, rest comfortably, and enjoy the country life, jon dowe!!
Wondering this morning just what level of distraction the Deep State will use to distract us from the Epstein documents release. A lot of nervous “Elite” out there.
Stay alert, I would say stay Frosty but the heat wave is smothering even here in NH mountains.
Keep an eye on those you love esp. the weak, elderly and animals. Both heat and human craziness is a threat this summer.
I worked outside in 97dF yesterday and this morning it is 80 and the skies are dark and thundering. 6″ total of rain this week so far, flash floods and more on the way.
I’ve been dehydrating apricots. I got permission to strip a couple of trees but that’s a lot of work for one person so I’ll be doing juice this week. Peaches aren’t on yet, but they really don’t make good juice or chips so I’m not really looking for them. I’ll do apples later in the season.
Zucchini season is on, and I think I may have defeated the first round of squash bugs. I hope so, as other than the zucchini all the squash are varieties I want to get seeds from. One of these days I’ll be able to plant enough squash to sort for resistant varieties.
I started the window-well garden this week. We’ll see how that does. Just lettuce down there right now, but I’ll be planting a tomato as well. The window-well is quite large and has a cover over it, so it should make a mini greenhouse during the winter. The question is, will it get enough sun?
The hydroponics is doing great, but I added water to it this week. The cucumbers were doing fine but the tomato roots weren’t keeping up with following the water levels down. I’ll keep it at about half for the rest of the season.
So this week got a few things accomplished and stored up some good karma. Finished reading The Final Day, the end of the One Second After trilogy. Started Forstchen’s 48 Hours, about an apocalyptic solar storm.
Most significantly I sat down with a couple of folks in my “group” and asked that they pack two weeks’ worth of clothing, including a winter coat, in tubs for storing at the farm. They each live a little more than 100 miles from here, and only a few miles from the ICE detention center where that anarchist was killed a few days ago. If things get dicey, or they have to move quickly, they won’t have to worry about loading suitcases in the car or carrying pounds of clothing.
Even Seattle’s far-flung bedroom communities are filled up with homeless and trash. The groups of the aimless recruited a few years ago to live in public spaces in the name of occupying Wall Street are still around and being used to bulk up various protest activities. Saw such folks in both of their neighborhoods when I visited, one just out of downtown, and the other used to be rural but their acreage has been swallowed by the suburbs. The threat of anarchist spill-over is there, and it seems the “pick your crisis” menu gets more varied every day.
But in any case, we’re agreed that the dark cold years are coming and it’s best to start getting ready.
Heat index here is awful. Even the wanderlust obsessive hunting Baby Cat is hole up in the house to stay cool. She is black after all. Opps should I have said that? Maybe I should have said, The feline which is the darkest color a feline can be.
This weekend I emptied my get home bags for my vehicle and I’m reviewing all contents. It has been loaded for my granddaughter and myself, but trips with her are now very infrequent. (The son’s live-in girlfriend doesn’t want our granddaughter to visit unless she can offload HER kid on us too.)
Now that my husband has retired, we often travel together, so I am making some adjustments in those bags for him. Mostly, I’m checking the foods but I also wanted to do a full review/inspection anyway.
We keep Datrex bars in all of our GH bags, also FD foods. This is the second summer season for those FD foods to be packed in our bags. Hot summer days in a vehicle gets quite hot, so we plan to swap those foods out before Winter. We’ll use those FD foods up and put fresh FD bags in their place. It’s said that the FD foods degrade in that kind of heat — guess we’re going to find out.
Modern Throwback I love reading these types of posts and doings
Thanks Matt. I enjoyed your post today, too. Also love reading what others are doing or planning — it is quite motivating!
Since all of this talk w/ storing salt, I’ve also been buying some extra salt and pickling salt each time we go shopping. A four pound box of salt can fit nicely in 2 Mason quart jars. 🙂
Modern Throwback,
Wife made the trip to town this week. Said there was only one box of salt on the shelf at Wally World. She grabbed it. Probably just an inventory glitch. We’ve got several ten lb bags in storage. Haven’t heard of salt shortages, but will check next trip.
Knee is doing better. Think that I will be driving short distances this coming week.
Found out that the manger here has a hidden camera in the bushes at the neighbors house. It’s pointed across her driveway and into my yard. Makes me a little uneasy -ok- actually a lot of uneasy
Good article on having the right gear and proper training
A woman living in South Dakota miraculously survived a freak accident that left her neck sliced opened after an unknown object shot out of a lawn mower and struck her last week.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-dakota-woman-survives-freak-lawn-mower-accident-that-left-her-neck-sliced-open
Hi all ,,,getting over a case of shingles this week ,weather has finally turned to hay weather ,cut ten acres yesterday , yield looks only fair , would not even cut but I’m holding back on selling cows ,just don’t want to add food to the system , I talk Galt ,this is me doing Galt ,oh by the way there are new regs coming for keeping cattle , what I saw is mandatory premise registration ,and reporting and electronic ear tags for tracking and to allow farm visits to insure compliance ??? Compliance with what ???how will this benefit the small guy ??? With a home cow ? Will you be able to even keep a home cow ? Not with out registration ,what’s next a cow tax ,don’t laff ,the tax is needed to pay for the new system ,and the gov rats ,all in the name of disease control and prevention and to protect beef markets overseas
Again don’t laff all you chicken lovers. The same thing has been proposed for birds in Washington state and supported by the USDA this time to include all backyard flocks ,,, oh the joys of agriculture ,,,,,,,
Fun stuff, did a no no went to the friendly gun shop ,came out with two new ruger wranglers , one in black for me , one in silver for DW ,,now the problem is who get the copper color one. That’s sure to come along ,,,really pleased with them ,shoot good ,and at the price(150) if we lose one in the out back its not the end of the world,,,,would recommend them
Not sure how much longer I’m going to keep the web connection ,hayyouranch3 has no way to have short of sat ,and we have agreed to not do that in the valley ,,,,can we /you live without the web ? WHAT no Amazon? HA HA ,,kids ask me now what day is it and I answered I’ll have to took ,and why dose it matter ,i honestly a times lose track of the day of the week till I open the computer ,,,some things in life are really good. HA HA,,,,,,,
Now for some really good tea with fresh plums of the tree ,,,,,
Have you had a good smile today ,,, if not why not ?
So who is John Galt?,, I know ,do you?
Oldhomesteader at the hayyouranch2. ,,,,if it was hayyouranch3 this won’t be
OH, from what I’ve read about 5G coming out, you may not be without web for long.
CR ,,,,part of being allowed in the valley is you agree to NO WEB or TV. ever ,,same for open phone lines and cell , and the high hills block most signals ,,,,,if you don’t like it leave is the attude,, seven stake holders own 28,000 acres with a over a million acres of gov land around it ,close to 30 miles of private one lane road to get in ,there is talk of the next ranch over also , but there is a limit to deep pockets ,, like thinking guests in the valley are just that” guests” ,,, ,,,,,,,,,guests are community members ,and contribute to the quality of life in the valley , ,,,,John Galt is alive and well ,,,,,,,,community ,,, not commune,,,,,,,
Tea and blueberries
Oldhomesteader,
So you can use the internet, telephones etc. But no one else.
So no one can call and check in with family members or family can check on them?
You control the “Trading Post” and the prices people have to pay and how they pay?
Do you pay people with chits like the coal mines used to?
Do you control who can enter or leave? Can someone just leave if THEY choose?
Can someone buy a stamp to send a birthday card to their gramma? Or no mail allowed for them?
You call it a community. It must be different than any community I’ve seen.
I did google communism and one of the descriptions was complete control by a few people, over many people with no ability/power to makes changes for themselves. Not that I am making any comparisons. It seems like you have it all figured out. But it would be nice if someone who lives there could post something and let us know their thoughts if they were allowed to.
I had similar thoughts when reading those remarks. Have no idea though regarding the extent of his ‘gulch’ or the control thereof of the people who may or may not be there.
I’m for liberty and freedom all the way. Mostly Libertarian views. Not into the control thing.
Richard tater,,,,,,, may be I can answer some of your questions ,,,,,first thing to remember is people in the valley are guests ,,,,,,,,, so don’t worry about what we do at OUR place with your attitude you will never be invited in ,,,and what we do will have no effect on you ,,,,,,very simple really ,,,
But to answer your questions ,,
We have NO internet,or TV,, or cell ,don’t want it ,a land line is not available ,,if you can’t live that way to bad ,lots of folks can and like it
Next question,,,the trading post ,,well it’s my money in it I do as I see fit ,,again you will never see the inside so don’t worry about it ,,,
Next ,, We don’t have coal mines ,and our ‘money ‘ is silver ,,,not script
Next ,,well you certainly wont be invited to the valley so again this does not affect you ,,so no people can not just show up ,private property you know , as for leaving any time one wants we don’t need malcontent people ,life is to good in the valley , one needs to arrange transport out as most have left there cars and trucks in town ,newer ones are not allowed in the valley anyway ,,,,,
Buying a stamp ? go to the post office when your in town , if getting MAIL is something you need get a post office box in town , most do that ,
Next ,,yes we call it a community of and for like thinkers ,away from the bull pucky and and anger in the world most are living in,
Again don’t worry about the valley ,you will never get to see it ,
Read Atlas Shrugged,as a start ,,there is a better world , you just have to find it for your self
Your anger will keep you from what you seek ,,
Sit and reflect over some tea and chocolate
Richard and Ken,
you both missed the point. He described the area, it is secluded and in a valley. travel would be difficult in winter, ie 30 miles of private road…..One would need to love a wild and beautiful land and be willing to make concessions that the land..tall mountains dictate. This is a way of life for some people.
Everyone of us is controlled by something./Someone. Each has a set of responsibilities we choose….Do I work for company bcd, or do I work for myself. Do I buy my food already canned or do i grow and secure my own. Our decisions control what we do each day.
Those who go to the “gulch” He has described, have what they need and nothing to interfere with the training of children, and the care of their elderly. They would be busy folks raising children, gardens and putting away their supplies for winter.
Busy people in remote areas do not need the distractions we in cities ad towns have come to accept as normal. OH- is not there presently, that is why he posts on internet and has outside communications.He stocks needs for the entire community according to things they ask for or he sees a potential need…in a “trading post”. That would include buying canning jars, lids and rings, canners, hot water bath canners, propane/grills? medical OTC’s, TP, and any number of products that are used daily…
People in a society that is closed to outside intrusion are dependent on each other and a neighbors abilities and assistance. It would not surprise me if- Not only was 2 generations of a family were there, but Granny and her old dog were there as well.In a place where everyone pulls their weight even Granny can be useful shelling beans, telling stories to the little ones and teaching them their letters and numbers.
Have you just shut off your power and tried to see how you adjust to a lack of constant information.? Do you walk with the phone in your ear and a blue tooth on all time.? Sounds Like some people ave decided they had rather catch calves, sheer sheep, bottle feed babies goats, and raise the food their family needs without a cell phone or internet…Just Sayin’
Just saying ,,,,,you summed it up pretty good. Try 4 genarations ,, no state schools ,doctors you can trust ,good clean water ,fresh clean food from the valley ,, and it’s funny how lowering stress can improve ones health , it’s interesting to see folks that haven’t seen a movie or the web in some time react seeing one/doing for the first time in awile, a common reaction is Ick,,, it’s people like me that make things like the valley possible for some folks ,, any idea of the resources needed to have a valley?or the personal commit?
JS you and DH stay well,, you are appreciated.
Homesteader,
IMHO
It sounds like paradise to me, my biggest dislike of our modern world,
Is the modern world.
A tight knit like minded remote group living, really living, more in tune with nature, self reliant, mutually supportive, doing stuff a bit more like craftsman, the craftsman of life of old,
If i never had to hear another bit of news or look at another gubermint employee or homeless person or rude socialite, if i never had to worry about taxes, regulations or someone sticking their finger in my mundane activities,
I would be great, i personally dislike the outside world, rather stick to myself as i can rely on myself and know what to expect, if i could be of use to others with my craft and skill, and it be truly utilized would be refreshing, instead, it gets looked at as hobbies, not by myself but anyone else, people cant think far enough away to realize there may not always be a mall to go to, so then what?
I am fine with none of that.
Tommy ,,,,,yes ,like someone else I know I’ve been trapped at hayyouranch2 by family considerations ,dw has family in the big city to the south , so this was a compromise , but things change with time ,, I still hear the little voices of the high mountans calling ,a business suit is like a strait jacket ,the board meetings a jail cell,,the country club is boring and makes me long for the white water on the river of no return,,, golf temps me to take a 22lr pistol and shoot the balls into the cup ,guess I’m not really that civilized ,
,,ginger tea and fresh strawberries to night
Richard Tater and 0ldhomesteader
I think RT may not know that you’re in the process of packing to move permanently to your valley. Once there, you won’t have e-access to the outside world like you do today.
RT also might not also know about the collaborative origins of the community you and others formed quite some time ago.
You’ve discussed it over the seasons here on MSB. When I found this website went back and read from the beginning.
Anony Mee, I also have been following OH’s posts for a long time.He made it clear that this was a part of a contract there would be no cell phones, tv. etc. Contracts are binding.
It is also possible that a community of like minded persons make their own entertainment on some sort of regular basis.( because no-one has TV or cell phone does not mean. entertainment does not exist.).Options could be….Play games, build playgrounds for the children, Play music. Play jokes on each other,.. Do crafting to make needed things… baby blankets, dishtowels and dishcloths come to mind. would need threads/yarns with certain qualities for some of those. Those things I think I could handle,..but being away from my family would be hard and the colder weather and continual aching bones and muscles would be horrid for me.
OH has insights and experience I do not have. I learn much from his posts. I was glad to learn in a recent post it will be a little while before he makes that move.
In a not so perfect world there must be many items that a community can not easily procure without outside assist. Having those willing and able to financially step in and stock a trading post would be a necessity- unless one would make some kind of regular trips out to obtain those needs.Having one person do that would be invaluable to such a community.
Those who live remote have a attitude., it seems to be summed up by the statement. I have heard made…about other situations.”.if I die here, I am where I want to live..and will live in fullness.. until I pass from this life”
Just got back from the local Wallyworld. Checked out the canned veggies, rice, sugar, salt and a few other aisles. All were instock with good quantities.
A&O
11HE9, DW and I went to wally world today and looked down canned goods isle, saw open spaces and little signs that said “due to supply shortage but, we are working with our supplier(s) to get in more canned goods”. This was in Wichita Falls, TX.
The wild black berries have been abundant this summer.
We have picked 2 to 3 gallons just from the bushes in the back yard. And more to be had. I’m glad I never cut them down.
Purslane is taking over the garden. I’ve been collecting and freezing. The need to weed is a must, after my harvest.
Power brownout about 2 am this morning.
West side of the state was hit hard with outages. I was on the deck late last night and could hear the wind a coming. More storms rolling in now and black sky to the north.
Dang hot here today and lots without power….it will be days in some areas for power restoration.
Tempers will flare.
Storms a comin’.
Talking more than just Mother Nature
Picked up 20+ pounds of boneless chicken breast on deep sale today. Will be canning them on Monday!
Border agents use tear gas to stop nearly 50 undocumented migrants who stormed Rio Grande bridge This time it was 50 just think if 500 or 1000 rush the border. Time to lock it down and stop this insanity
So who wants to talk about the banking system?
I received a notice recently, that stated, if I didn’t continue with an X amount of monthly balance in my checking, I would be ‘fined’ $15 a month.
What the?
You pay no interest.
You question why I want to withdraw X amount of MY money.
Certain amounts of withdrawal OR deposit REQUIRES me to use the counter, NOT the drive thru window.
If I didn’t have to deal with these banking crooks, I most certainly wouldn’t.
My paycheck is not a paycheck, it’s mandatory that it is transferred to an account, via web.
It’s all about control and screwing over the regular joe
Tired of being screwed…..every which way….
Joe c
Have you seen the current news out of Texas, they are going to(planning to) be using PM’s as money where by it will not be taxed as a commidity. Texas has started a gold depository where they have been socking away PM’s. It appears they are going to be dropping the theiving banking system(ZeroHedge).
Several other states have started to look into honoring G & S as money. Idaho has a system where they acknowledge G&S as a type of currency. Breaking the chains of servitude one link at a time.
NICE 👍
AC. Sounds like something I’ve been talking about ,,lots of folks I know and deal with will tell you paper is not money , silver is up a bit last time I checked ,,,,,i know a place where paper won’t buy you a drink of water or a box of food but silver will ,,,
How’s the old fart ?tell him I asked ,,,,,,,,
Oldhomesteader.
0ldhomesteader
Had plans of trading in the 90% collection for solid silver but with acdh in rehab it, looks like it will have to wait. It is not a lot but of coinage but it will be an upgrade for sure.
Acdh will be able to do the toe step on Wednesday for the first time. We will see how he progresses. If I knew what time were to call would take the house phone with me & put the old battery in it so you could talk to him. Waiting for the new phones I ordered to arrive that is why I have not done much with the house unit. Give me an idea over at the mail account.
AC ,,,,,,,a mix of 90% and 999. Is ok ,keep the 90% it work outside the valley with non valley folks ,thing about it ,it makes it harder to’ think silver’ instead of dollars ,example,the ruger handgun cost me 9oz not 150dollars ,, the 5gal of gas cost 1-1/4oz not 20dollars it’s a case of learning to think in value not dollars ,it’s going back to barter system ,learning to do that now will make things easier in a SHTF,as for new purchases of PM stay away from larger sizes you will pay a small premium for 1/10,,1/4,,1/2..oz rounds but worth it in a trade situation ,balance 1oz of small rounds to 1oz of 1oz rounds ,we have found that to work well in real day to day use ,, I have found very limited use for gold in day to day ,just too much value all in one ,even to buy a years worth of TP,,,hope this helps you to understand how things work ,there is a under ground system in place and working based on what I have just posted ,i know of trading posts that won’t accept funny money ,999.silver only ,part of that is due to tax laws ,to get 999. You have to go across the road or next door to a different shop ,much like overseas to change money ,,
Hope this helps with understanding how some things work ,for you and the blog buddy’s,
,,,,john Galt is alive and well ,would you know him if you saw him ?
,,,,
Oldhomesteader still at the hayyouranch2 ,
0ldhomesteader
Of course I would. He would be the least likely person because of his disguise, but is it really a disguise.
Old beat up pick up truck, bib overalls, cowboy hat that looks like has seen better days, boots that show wear & tear from many days of hard labor on a farm/ranch. That should have been replaced years ago but are just now broken in and comfortable.
ac & acdh
AC ACDH ,,some folks are family,,,,miss my visits with old fart ,
Hey 0ldhomesteader
Au also comes in partial oz sizes like Ag. Could see using them for larger purchases, livestock, etc.
Anony mee ,,,,,,yes I know ,all to well , but the more likely is the need of day to day. ,,,, gold would be preferable to silver to carry ,easy to hide , but there is something about it that attracts trouble ,that silver does not. And gold is commonly faked ,and most folks on this sight would find gold out of reach , if one would put 100dollars in silver they would have a hand full to use for trade ,and 999.silver can be used to make colloidal silver ,remember PM is to preserve wealth not make it ,and for the day the script is worthless , ,as some think now ,use to be a oz would buy almost 3. 1/2gal of gas ,50 years later it will still buy 3. 1/2 gal of gas,,,
,,,,,,have hay to rake ,,,winter is coming ,,,,,,,,thing about ranching we are all ways thinking ahead ,way ahead kind of like prepping,,,,
Oldhomesteader still at the hayyouranch2 ,,,but hayyouranch3 is coming
JOE C,,,,, GO TO A CREDIT UNION ,,dump the bank , go to the credit union before you dump the bank ,
Oldhomesteader ,
Joe c,
I understand your frustration. Truth is, the bank doesn’t need your money. For years, you deposit your money in the bank, the bank loaned it back out to borrowers to make a profit. Put your money in a savings account, they paid you interest, somewhere between 3-5%, they loaned it back out at 8-10%. When the Fed started loaning money to banks at artificially low interest to boost borrowing and grow the economic numbers, the banks no longer needed our savings and our checking accounts became a financial drain for them.
My bank pays .75% on average balance if you maintain over $10,000 in checking, no interest, but free checking if over $1,000. They charge monthly service fee under $1k.
Joe agree with old homesteader. Credit union is the way to go we only have to leave $5.00 in our account to keep it open
Joe c
OR stay with a bank for 30+ years and get free checking, free checks and zero required deposit. Plus I get no charge overdraft up to $5000. And lastly 1.5% on the savings account that I keep $50 in.
Small home town Bank only have 5 branches, AND the people are actually friendly, NOT like the “big banks”.
Ohhhh one more thing, no questions on large deposits & withdraws.
When that changes. I move to my secondary bank…. the home safe 😎😎😎
yep, consider the small hometown banks. We get interest on our checking. itty bitty but some all the same.
Joe c I hear you. As caretaker to my wife’s parents I have to watch for inactive account and odd fees also.
From decades ago I found I keep my funds in two banks for the time one of them malfunctions I am not screwed until it is resolved. The event was a 3 week long freeze of my accounts. PAINFUL. Credit cards don’t care your bank account is frozen, (insert sounds of cash drawer opening here). That was also when I forced myself into pay cash or do with out, until I could make sure I could pay that CC off every month, as well as an awe-$hit cash envelope in the fireproof box to make payments if a freeze occurs again.
BTW I understand that some law enforcement SOP is to freeze accounts when they “investigate” you. Lawyer’s like to do that also when fishing for a paycheck. An awe-$hit envelope can afford you legal support if that occurs. Worked for me.
I use a Credit Union and a good solid regional bank. I still have to have on my yearly tasks list a reminder to move a 100.00 from savings to checking and vice versa as to prevent inactive account procedures.
My happiest day was when I got my wife’s parents to move from Bank of America to our excellent local bank. They know my name and ask about my family there.
I worked for attorneys for over 40 years. I’ve never heard of an attorney freezing a client’s bank account. We once had to sue a client in order to get paid (large fee, very complicated case), but we only did that one time. BTW, the attorney I worked for was one of the good ones – not many of those left. He truly cared about his clients.
Love Loons not the lawyers client account the soon to be ex-husbands account. Hard to hire a Lawyer with out cash on the barrel head.
Joe C,
Start banking at a credit union — they have a very different set of regulations than ‘banks’ do!
Joe c,
I can only suggest what I did regarding banking:
A number of years ago I switched from a “too big to fail” bank, to a smaller local/regional bank AND a credit union. Both.
I like having a regular bank ‘in the system’ and I also like the credit union because it’s independent from ‘the system’. Having two “go to” sources.
Not that I have a lot of eggs, but the old saying goes “don’t keep all your eggs in one basket”.
There are online resources that enable checking the strength of various banks. Just search for it. Compare.
Depending on where you live, your choices may or may not be plentiful. But it’s worth investigating.
Ken we did the same but went out of state. Oregon is very close and at a considerably higher elevation than our banks. The last major tsunami to hit us (1964) put all of the vaults in the water. Our current banks are still in the inundation zone.
Joe C, If you have money put in a bank account…They consider it THEIRS. You are loaning them money, they draw interest on every dime. If left in there, don’t leave more than you can afford to loose.If the bank overspends, is bought out by another bigger bank, and they should shut it down, you would have to get in line to get a percentage of what is supposed to be in your account.
We get “fined a service fee” for amounts below x dollars as well.They also charge for every account inquiry. ..to check balance unless thru their ATM.
DH said it is just a cost of having an account. So we draw it as low as possible each month. just leaving service fees in there, after our business is done.
Got an old friend back up and running this last week. My old High Standard DM101 .22 magnum derringer. Bought it as a last ditch pocket pistol back in the early 70’s, was a constant companion for years. Let a man handle it a while back. Big mistake. He dry fired it breaking the firing pin. Gun has been out of production for years, but found a brand new firing pin from Brownells. $12.50+$8.50 shipping (about 3/4 inch long by 3/8 inch wide), but was well worth it to make my old buddy whole again. Great jacket pocket gun. Two shots, double action, enclosed hammer.
Power outage in the neighborhood today for 7 hours due to storms. Lots of trees down, got to meet neighbors we never met before. A great time in a small town. The little generator worked fine.
Should shtf happen it will test the Christian faith as never before in this country. More than the Civil War. How do we receive the beggar at the door? How do we give our cloak after already giving our coat? How will we be able to REALLY love as taught by the Master? I do not know. I have told Mr. that I do not really think I can kill another person. I am not sure what would bring me to that point. Should my little Hispanic neighbor girls Ruth and Raquel come and ask for food can I really turn them away. sigh……….. I so hope we never need our preps. I so hope we as humans can find a common ground and just let be. I think of Saint Paul. Can we endure for what we say we really believe?
Can I really just lock my gates and ignore the folks outside? The book of Romans speaks to that as well as many others written by the Apostles. Paul wrote to the Church at Thessalonica where folks were abusing the faithful’s generosity.
2nd Thessalonians 3:10 “If you do not work, you will not eat”. Even in the early church there was plenty of Gimmie Dat’s that wanted to “Share” everything YOU had.
Post SHTF there will be plenty of labor needed to replace the electric well pump and so on. Even if all those little girls you mention do for us is find firewood is that not useful? Do we have to feed folks steak or will rice/corn and beans seem a blessing enough? Many hands planting corn and beans as well as night shift guards of the gardens to keep deer out is a blessing in my opinion.
The oldest recorded phrase of someone passing the buck was “am I my brother’s keeper?” This phrase has been misused ever since to install “charity” on a government, or enforced, level. It’s tyrannical institutionalized theft, not love.
Just another two reasons to stock beans. I can not eat them,except in a tablespoon portion, but others can. Mention to those precious little ones’ Mom you are having a more difficult time getting your groceries on a budget. Ask her if she has extra rice , beans or canned food in case of a bad weather event….pick one…Job slow down/layoff,/severe injury to one working? .. ice storm and no power… bad rains like just happened with Barry.Sometimes asking questions for someone to think about does more good than anything.tell them you just want them to think about the questions and discuss with mate…. Maybe you can find out what level of food, water supply, grill, they have and put a bee in their bonnet to get them putting food back. every can of sweet corn and string beans will be precious…should a LCE ( Life Changing Event)occur.
Just thinking thru …so many will be unprepared. Many will be our kin./neighbors/friends. They will suffer and if we have not warned them it will be on us. I have warned plenty. I also told them I am poor . I can’t prep for them and me. they need to put up what they eat- they won’t eat what we eat. and I will not eat what they do. A friend sent me word if something bad happened she was coming to my house. I sent her back word… in the form of a question. Who here is supposed to be hungry so you can eat? Next time i saw her… She asked for a list of things to have on hand. I told her to buy 40 cans of ( single serving or two serving..).meat one payday, and 60 cans of vegetables, fruit and condiments the next.Next time buy and fill 6 5 gallon water cans… drink mix, tea tea bags, koolaid,lemonaide,tang, and TP for 3 months. in 3 months basic supplies for one person…and to clean out her spring.get some kind of water filter for hand carried water. when she had 3 family members move in (emergency) she saw the wisdom in preparedness
Yeah , I like Blackjacks solution as well.We have a pantry we help stock.It serves a very low income county on a routine basis.
Now people are asking for things they can not buy with “Food Stamps”. TP, deodorant, cleaning supplies, laundry powder. bath gel/shampoo/soap, dish-washing soap.If electronics go down they will have many more needs.
Mrs. USMCBG, The wife and I have talked about this very subject in the past and we have decided to tell everyone that comes looking for food to go to our local church. If we grow extra, than we will give it to our church and let the church distribute the food. Our house is not a “food bank”.
That sounds like a reasonable response. Good suggestion…
Mrs. U, your comment makes me think of one of my favorite songs ” Trust and Obey “. Or another one, ” He Giveth More Grace “.😊
You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you. You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (NIV, Matthew 5:38-45)
The apostle Paul and other New testament writers echoed Jesus’ sentiment and expanded on it.
Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. (NAS, Romans 12:17-21)
It will be the Test of all Test. I cannot even predict my own behavior. Christ expected our struggle and gave all.
Mrs,,usmc bg ,,,,, I disagree ,,, as a half Jewish person that had family on my mom side killed in the camps ,and having a great aunt that survived treblinka ,and helped care for me as a child, I find your take disgusting ,,your freedom was paid for by men and women with blood ,, a simple Jewish saying ,,’never again ‘,,,,,,,,,,,,also ,,, if you do not resist evil then the blood of the innocent is on your hands and you too become part of that evil ,,,that’s from the Torah ,,,,,,,,,food for thought ,,,,,NEVER AGAIN,,,,the cry of life ,,
,,,,,,tea and chocolate,,
Oldhomesteader
Oldhomesteader, all 4 sides of my family have been here since before we were a nation. So my blood line has paid. As for Jewish, the Roses that came over here were. That is my grandmothers maiden name. At some point they converted. Sorry to disgust you OH as I like you and postings. But disagreeing is just part of life. In the end truth will prevail and we will all know the answer.
ice cream and chocolate sauce,
Mrs. U
Mrs usmcbg
Shalom
Oldhomesteader, hug hug
Hi MSB friends. We have noticed the Wally world can goods are starting to a little bare here also. We picked up some several frozen veggies to dehydrate for us and the dogs. We make their food for them. I have been riding the bike more to get in better shape. With this heat it has been rough getting the miles in that I wanted to go.
Sage I like your security additions you have made. Sounds like the old forts walls from the western movies. That’s awesome.
We will be making a trip to the Amish grocery in the next week or so to pick up our spices for the year and to see what other goods they have. Good to hear from you all. I would like to post more but between work and other all I can get done is reading. So thanks everybody for the great post. Please keep them coming. And I have been talking with the HAM guys I found at work and I’m starting to find it interesting. I might have to give it a try this winter when things slow done some.
Made a fresh batch of elderberry syrup today starting daily dose about a month early. Lot of people not feeling good and have coughs earlier this year it seems
Great going the elderberries are a couple of weeks to ripen here in south wales but a good batch of syrup will be my first priority ( followed ) by many gallons of wine lol )
Purslane, thought this might interest some. Wikipedia says it can be a companion plant. They have deep roots. Corn roots will follow the purslane roots down through the harder soil to get moisture. I do not found any around here. Have been looking though.
It’s probably there. Look in areas with poor soil like the sides of roads or abandoned lots. If there’s manure or rich soil it probably won’t germinate, although it does like plenty of water later.
Made some beef jerky last weekend and then again during the week, didn’t last long wife likes it a lot, and ya, I do too. Other than that, didn’t do much with preps. Except pay bills and starting to spend less.
Hi all.
Been reading some comments.
Heated would be an understatement. So I’m going to stand clear not wanting to toss jet fuel onto the fires. But know we all are here to have open discussions whereas we may or maynot agree.
That said, I had a GREAT day, played Golf this morning when it was still cool. Shot a 46 on the front nine… BTW thats good for a 34.7 handicap 🏌️♂️🏌️♂️🏌️♂️🏌️♂️🏌️♂️😁
Tis hoter than a $15 bill in a casino here still over 100 at 6:30 🔥
Y’all have a good evening, and please remember TSHTF has not happened yet, or has it? 🤔
Hey there NRP
Lefties think we’re on the cusp, and that if POTUS prevails in 2020 it will truly be TEOTWA they KI. Hee hee hee. I am ever hopeful that all my preps will be for naught.
Warm afternoon. Had a nice scratch-fest with the piggies earlier. Good day here too.
Prayer Warriors – I know you’re out there.
Lovely young man who helps out around the farm is on his way to Seattle right now. His younger brother Jeremiah has been scheduled for early morning surgery on his adrenal gland. It’s tricky, and apparently not always survivable. If successful he’ll be in ICU for several days.
I believe that the effectual fervent prayer of the righteous availeth much. Thank you in advance for joining with me in prayers for his recovery.
Prayers on the way!
…for wisdom and skill for the doctors, peace to family and friends, and healing to those in need.
Sage, FinallyOuttaCA, and all the rest
Jeremiah’s surgery went far better than anyone expected and he will not need to be in the ICU. He should be home in a few days. Still may have issues and recovery time ahead of him, but that is pending follow-up tests.
Thanks be to G-d and all of you wonderful people.
Anony mee,,,,
Am standing in agreement for Jeremiah’s surgery and full recovery.
Also for Scaredy Cat’s procedures. May you be up and around soon.
May we all prosper as our soul prospers, in health and wholeness
So much to learn and so little time to know where to begin.
Went to Wally World today to pick up a few items. Normally, I don’t like to go on a weekend, since it’s in a tourist-y area and this time of year is pretty busy.
Shelves were pretty depleted, tho’ not totally unexpected for this time of the weekend. Asked a stocker where something was, and as he was showing me, I remarked how the shelves seemed even more empty than usual. His response was that they had been “shopped hard” lately (tourists/vacationers?), and also that the truck normally scheduled for today didn’t arrive. They expect it tomorrow, but apparently the distribution hiccups are having a bit of a ripple effect. Interesting.
Curiously, I also dropped in on the local Dollar Store and they seem better stocked on most canned items, shelves full, no big gaps. Maybe their truck arrived on time.
I really appreciate y’all putting up the info on the stores and canned goods. It’s some solid information on how things are going and why and it leads to more questions. I’ve been in our wallie world, our local owned super saver type store, Dollar Tree and Aldis the last week and have seen nothing out of the ordinary.
I have one question for the folks on this site: if we have a common goal, survival. We all come
from various backgrounds, we sure have varying ideas on the approach to end goal, survival. If we can not get along, how might we expect the world to? Come on guys. I know the heat has gotten us down, tempers fly when stressed, aren’t we bigger than this? If we can not prove our ability to survive together under mild conditions; what in the world are we going to do when,soon, it gets really ugly?
We are bigger than this.
Now, on a lighter note, telephone poles arrived today to build onto the greenhouse. Yeah, they are free, the storms dropped them, cut to lengths to facilitate the need. ( greenhouse addition.) Of course, they are treated and may outlast me.
God has taught me to pay attention. One year , I came in the house for lunch and turned on the noon day news. A tornado had torn the ends off of barns at local egg farm. They said chickens running free were free to anyone who showed up and caught them. I ran and gathered young Amish men just starting out ( with no livestock or chickens. We stacked the truck high with crates and away we went. While they were catching chickens, A bulldozer operator came over to.me and said I was ordered to tear all of these long buildings down; the tornado left most of the buildings in good shape, just the ends were missing. He said he could start tearing the damaged part down, if I could bring teams of guys to take away all the good, usable material. Plus he showed us a barn of young pullets that were fine, but the barn was to be torn down also. I said we will be back at first light the next day, and we were with crews of men. Flat bed 18 wheelers and more crates for chickens. We worked hard for several days. The material came home with us. Many of us got new barns raised because of all the free material. Mine is 75′ long. We were all each others free labor. Plus all the eggs and chicken we could eat for the next year.
It pays to pay attention
Now, if we tried to get along on this site, great things could happen too.
In answer to your question above, my greenhouse is 9*11 outside dimensions, as the city says anything over 10*12 has to have permits. It’s also 8 feet at the peak, which again is just under the city code level.
It has a door on either end in the direction of the prevailing winds for temperature control during the summer. It backs onto an existing block wall with a hill behind it (thermal mass) and the roof is angled to the north rather than the south so the sun doesn’t hit the roof directly. It has 200 + gallon jugs of water and two big water barrels for temperature control during the winter.
Seeing discussion here about PMs, I’m asking for some advice.
My best friend recently received coin sets that his parents had collected for him from his birth year until he graduated from high school. Curious, we looked online and found the value to be around $450 dollars. The collection doesn’t really hold sentimental value for him and he’s thinking about cashing it out at a coin shop. Any idea what he might get for it?
He’s also thinking about reinvesting that into PMs. Silver, not gold. Thoughts?
One other thing I am curious about. Whenever people discuss PMs, it seems to always be about gold and silver. It seems like gold is for royalty or large transactions and silver is for everyday use. What about other metals? Might something like copper be useful for small transactions? I could be wrong, but wasn’t it used that way in the past? Any information that you could share or resources that you could point me to wouldn’t be most appreciated.
Neighbor, On the coin sets I presume they are proof sets meaning wrapped and never in circulation. Sadly they are not worth much more than face value unless older 90% silver in them. Even with that they are usually worth melt value. A dime would have 1/10 of an ounce of 90% silver and typically it would be mixed with 10% copper. A quarter would be 1/4 of an ounce, etc..999% refers to essentially pure silver. Silver Eagles were the only US coin made of .999%.
When Oldhomesteader talks about silver rounds he is referring to non government produced coin shaped pieces of silver.
Coinflation is a site that I like that gives current melt value for many US and foreign coins. It is updated daily. On line auctions give a pretty good idea of what proof sets go for and eBay is a good place to look. Go to collectibles and scroll down to coins and paper money.
Dealers sell high and buy low. And refer to spot. Spot means the daily value if melted. My local dealer sold me spot at 10% over and bought at 10% under spot. This allowed him a modest profit. When you visit the online sites and eBay you can get a rough idea of who charges the most and generally speaking you get better prices if you buy in quantity.
Another blog advised saving nickels as they might increase in value in the future. I did save them for a while as when I started saving them they had a melt value of 5.5 cents. That made sense (cents?) I sold them (cashed them back in) when they hit 3 cents each. I still got a nickel back so it wasn’t a bad investment. Currently they are worth a fraction over 4 cents. They tend to reflect the current industrial need for various metals.
I give my boys a 90% silver quarter set almost every year. I personally think ‘junk silver’ is the way to go. Boy don’t we boomers wish we could go back in time and know that a silver quarter would sell for around 5 dollars in the future!
Gold is the money of kings, Silver is the money of gentlemen, Barter is the money of peasants, Credit is the money of slaves. I don’t know where this came from, but i think it is right. I think junk silver is the best plan. Because if or when we are using PM’s think about buying a bag of beans and all you have is large denominations, perhaps you end up over paying.
Thanks for all of the input, everyone!
Plainsmedic, If you have waited til the RIR is laying or crowing/fighting.. get asap.. 4-5 months, tops. for eating.. tenderest. Older =tougher. could be tougher still, without them…
Vet friend told me wait to allow them to sit until are 2 years old.
consider meat birds like cornish cross. Ready to process-with proper feed and care in 8 -9 weeks. On you tube.. see “living traditions homestead”comparison of freedom rangers and cornish cross… and their chicken math. have a series they did last summer.interesting. Deep South Homestead also did cornish cross.. were big birds. at 8 weeks.
just my take on it.
Thank you for everbody’s input on the banking flaws.
This was a pretty good bank, until recently. Been with them for 20/25 years. Also had a savings in a small town bank, until my ex’s cousin wanted to share information with her. Shut down my account rather than reporting her.
Will definitely be looking into a credit union. I like changing companies as much as I like going to the dentist.
Thanks again, all!!
Glory to God !it cooled off and is raining.
Felt so good, I had a goofy attack, and was singing “Hakuna Matata” from the Lion King. Of course the bull rolled those big eyes at me and I knew he was thinking, we live with a crazy woman.
On a more serious note, I am hearing of so much sickness, right around me and on this site. Cause for prayer. In 1977, I had just purchased a parcel of land within the city limits here. I was a realtor and built homes. Just after i built the first streets and homes in my subdivision, I was having a little pain when I bent over. The pain increased. By the time I went to the doctor- stage 4 cancer. Two surgeries later, they sent me home to die. I came to this farm to be with my cows and horses and watch every beautiful sunrise with God. They ( the doctors) told me if i had a bucket list. Do them.
Well I always wanted to fly, so I reported to the local airport and took lessons in a Cessna and later in more interesting planes. I started feeling stronger. So I went to buy a new truck. Mom was alive then and said you can’t get credit. You went out of business and almost went bankrupt.
Later the dealership called me and ask, would you like to pick out a new car also, when you come to pick up your truck or we will deliver it to your home. My credit rating was I think the term back then was 4 star with the Dun and Bradstreet. I started to gain strength, started to gain stamina. I felt so good I thought I better go back to work, the cows have to eat ya know. For all of you fighting illness- there seems like a lot of you, there is healing in the word of God. I am living proof. I was the girl dancing and singing in the barn this morning. The Glory of the Lord is our strength!!! So get to singing and praising Him
What is holding you back?
From another valley person ( I’m still reading the book- who is John Galt?)
Noticing more and more “far left activists/celebrities” openly advocating like minded folks to arm themselves for protection against “MAGA people”. Another story on Breitbart quoting the creator/writer of the movie “Borak” repeating that theme.
The left is already making a martyr/hero of the terrorist who got himself killed attacking the ICE facility last week.
If nothing else, these left wingers are good about following memes. I would not be surprised if there is an upsurge in weapon purchases by these so called “snowflakes”. Keep in mind that an armed “snowflake” with bad intentions would be dangerous to an extreme. If they were deep thinkers, they wouldn’t be so easily propagandized and led to do violence to begin with, much less pay attention to safety rules. Dangerous combination.
I occasionally venture into liberal websites to observe the currents. I’ve seen numerous articles on the subject of arming themselves, listing left wing gun clubs with encouragement to join them. They tend to recommend AK type weapons for the symbolism of “revolution” they carry.
Seems as if, with the 2020 elections approaching, there is impetus to push the brain washed to prepare for violence. They are very open with this subject on their blogs and websites.
Yeah Dennis this is definitely growing. I’d tried to make a post a while back but it didn’t make the cut so I’ll just say this which is taken from a quote I’ve read several times:
“Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do – his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about ‘how hard it is;’ he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn’t go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
Matt,
I’ve been behind on comments with links approval. I just released those which you may be referring to.
Preppers would be wise to make themselves aware of this “arming up” by left wing activists/radicals.
Reference organizations like the “John Brown Gun Club”, “Redneck Revolt”, the “Huey P. Newton Gun Club”, etc. These clubs, each having numerous chapters across the country, advocate “armed resistance” against capitalism and the status quo.
You won’t see much coverage by the mainstream media on these groups, but information is readily available on their own websites. They make no attempt to mask their objectives, these more visible organizations are just the tip of the iceberg and don’t even take into account the radical muslim training camps………and state controlled underground terror cells, most with training overseas. I can’t help but believe they all network with each other, as they have a common goal.
Dennis,
People need to wake up. Problem is, they’re livin the dream right now. Just wait till it turns into a nightmare…
When I argued in 2009 that O would destroy our country, I had a friend who argued right back that he’d been elected. I needed to calm down, we’d have another shot in four years. Just be patient, let him work, he has 8 years of conservative **** to clean up.
She was the same one screaming that “Violence is the only way left!” when T was elected. She didn’t like it when I pointed out the discrepancy. That’s DIFFERENT. HER violence is perfectly justifiable. HER opinions matter. That T was elected–that’s immaterial, he shouldn’t have been, so violence was a perfectly acceptable response.
The interesting thing was that these weren’t HER words. I don’t know for certain where she heard them, but she was using someone’s talking points.
Like my BIL said, when my sister lost an argument with a conservative– “Forget the facts. Stick to the talking points.”
You know Lauren, all my adult life people around me have been saying “Get rid of the politicians, we need to elect a non politician.” This was folks across the entire political spectrum. Well, guess what, we finally did.
Gives me the giggles, actually, to see some of them trying to claw their way through air back to the cliff like Wile E. Coyote.
He’s not life-long beholden to special interests, and though I appreciate POTUS (most of the time) for a number of reasons, that’s the big one.
Went out to the garden today to pick tomatoes. All this rain has rendered them HUGE! While I was out there, I noticed that the elderberries are ripening. Started to pick some and got two cups worth just from what is right next to the garden; there are a whole bunch more out there. I am so thankful for what the Lord is providing despite my sorry gardening skills!
Another of the left training “for acting purposes”
https://www.ballisticmag.com/2019/07/12/michael-b-jordan-training-black-panther/
I couldn’t find the original conversation that dealt with the left training.
NRP,,, , Thank you for your article . Right on time as these events are not far away. Much food for thought; I own ” One Second After.”
We all need to improve our preps. Better to brain storm now collectively than find holes that we were not expecting.
Ken, , around here I am not sure how long any item mounted for security would last. They will be stolen. Neighbor and I discussed solar panels left outdoors, Stolen or shot up. Why i am building mounts on inside of windows. Nothing will be easy in a fallen society.
Quote, “Nothing will be easy in a fallen society.”
Exactly. And likely most things will be difficult in a fallen society. People have no idea.
I do not wish for it. But I know and prepare for “if” it may come.
It has been a tough week physically for me – I spent it passing a good size kidney stone. The good news is I was only out of commission for ten days and several of those days were not totally lost. I am getting back on track now. When I used to have the kidney stone surgery, I would be out of commission for much longer because they would insist on putting in a stent, which caused me problems if I moved. I much prefer using the hydrangea capsules to reduce the size of the stone, and it must soften it because they are much easier to pass with less damage.
Prayers were said for several on this site (or for those people they knew that needed prayers). I will continue to keep you all of you in need in my prayers throughout the day and evening. He will guide us as we go through this tumultuous time so keep your hearts and minds open to his guidance.
I did get to the Amish store for a bit of grain. Still having a hard time getting the soft wheat but now have a secondary market for that. The oat groats and hard wheat are not an issue yet. Also put away more maple syrup. We received a couple feed orders that will keep us going for a bit. Other that that, didn’t do much in the way of prep.
I have a bit of catch up planned for the next few days as I am sure many of you will too as the heat was limiting activity, take care all. Stay safe, healthy and alert.
D newyork, Mr. has had stones and the doctors told him to eat only fruit and fruit juice for 2 to three days. He passed stone buy doing that. His were of the calcium type. Golden Rod can be used for stones also lemon juice. Hydrangea should not used long term. There is a plant called Stone Breaker, Phyllanthus niruir, I am not familiar with it. Listed so you could look into if needed.
Glad you are better.
@Oldhomesteader,
I ask that you discontinue the use of my site as a recruitment center for your ‘gulch’. You are free as an individual to start your own website in order to promote your own thoughts, ideals, and to recruit members to your ‘valley’. But that’s not happening here on MSB.
While you have contributed knowledge to the site, some of your comments have also been unnecessarily rude to others who have questioned your statements or motivations.
For now, your comments will be moderated for appropriate content.
-KenJ.
Have y’all seen the video of the NYPD officers being being assaulted with buckets of water? If not, you need to. I’m sure that some will think it’s funny, some will be outraged.
The officers calmly took the abuse and ridicule, walked away with no push back and drove away. That took more courage, in my eyes, than fighting back. Sad situation we’ve allowed develop in this country, especially in progressive socialist led cities. Constant blaming of individual officers for actions they take in untenable situations they are thrust into, sacrificing them, blaming them, in the name of social justice for defending themselves, has led to this.
Whether you love, hate, or don’t have an opinion about law enforcement one way or another, if incidents like this are allowed to continue (and you can bet they will), no one will take the job. The police officers in Portland, who were ordered to stand down when Anti-fa (anti-free America) went on it’s rampage, have been blamed by many. You can bet they are angrier at their bosses than anyone. Many are looking into leaving the profession.
Eventually, they will be replaced. No one will like what they are replaced with. Why worry though? Small price to pay for getting even for that time you got a ticket for speeding when you didn’t think you deserved it, or got caught with that tiny bag of weed, right?
This is as close to a rant that I get. Sorry. I was a cop, I know how to hold my temper. I also know when we are losing control of our society. I’ve seen anarchy on the streets. I promise you, you will not like it. Folks need to wake up.
I saw that this morning (via a tweet from D.Bongino). Disgusting. It all continues to disintegrate around us.
Dennis — Keep talking! Whatever you do, do not go gentle!!
Our posts were written at the same time, and I was writing to thank you and MattInOklahoma for your previous comments.
What you just shared has me near to tears. This is wrong on so many levels. The group-ridicule of our police has gotten out of control. Obviously, these officers have been ordered to ‘stand down’ and to not react to small offenses such as the water-throwing.
It’s despicable.
Dennis I couldn’t be a cop again. I actually turned a job offer down from the local sheriffs when I retire from this in a year and a half or so. I’m only working private stuff afterwards where I have levity to take care of things properly.
I’m gonna refrain from any other comments.
Dennis;
9.3 on the Rant-O-Meter
A full 10.0 on the temper control.
Good comment Old-Man hehehehe
I was pretty surprised, tase the one with the bucket would have been a reasonable reaction IMHO,
That would have gotten a severe beating over here, but then again that would not happen here.
Dennis
I realize the NYPD had a job to do and they did it in spite of the distractions. Yes, it had been hot for days, power was on and off as was public transportation. But seeing them not react bothered me. Maybe they called for help and we just haven’t seen the follow-up on this.
Out here in cloud cuckoo land the “protestors” are increasingly energized by a lack of official response. They seem to think the best way to improve everyone’s lot is to burn their house down around them – how many times in our lives have we seen this before? The pasty boys (anarchists/anti-fa) have already started throwing worse than water, and now carry a variety of weapons.
Hopefully the idea of making masked gatherings illegal will be implemented, but I can’t see that allowing attacks on public servants to go unanswered brings out the best in a community.
Trying hard not to second-guess, but that was tough to watch.
Dennis & MattInOklahoma — Thank you for your wise words. I read your comments to my husband — and yes, we know what is coming. I value all of your input and rational thinking, and believe that your findings are totally accurate.
It is difficult to understand those who think irrationally. And it’s very difficult to grasp how people can be driven by cultist ideology, yet we see these people and how they affect society. We should all be very concerned at this time. The upcoming Portland event may be the next catalyst for increased violence. And the lack of policing and governance may surprise us, yet again. We will no doubt be left asking, “What will we do next?”
Most who read here probably wonder how things got so crazy — and most of us also realize that our society didn’t get so crazy all of a sudden. Our society, and the actions of MANY who walk among us, are affected by the continued moral decay, by the continued violence, by the continued apathy, and by the loss of structure.
To see how our American society has devolved, all we need to do is watch the actions of far-left ideologists, Antifa, and the muslim extremists. They are similar in many ways — and we know where this will lead. None of these pro-violent people have anything to lose, and each of them are following cultish beliefs. Muslim extremists are willing to die for their beliefs and their cause — they believe they will receive heavenly rewards for their violent deeds. Far-left ideologists, for the most part, and members of Antifa have not yet decided that martyrdom is their ultimate sacrifice. Not yet…. When that takes place, they will cross over into being the radical extremists that we already know they are being groomed to be.
It would be foolish to ignore what these dangerous people might be capable of. Their intent is to create violence, overturn civil society, and eliminate the current American government system. These are totally organized movements. (Who is in control?)
Most of the time, we comment on the ignorance of the masses, the populations of our urban areas, and the general apathy of most people. Maybe it’s time to start pointing out why we don’t ‘join in’ and visit cities, or attend heavily populated events. Maybe it’s time to start talking about the increase in violence, and the organized Antifa movements. Maybe it’s time to begin talking it up about being safe-at-home, away from crowds and violence and crazy people.
What say all of you, MSBers?
Ken
The interest in this site is partly based on a desire to preserve what many of us lived, the American way of life of years gone by – and of course, just survive.
There are those that retreat and fortify. I am one.
Sorry to say, some just sit and complain about the direction of the country.
Many people have ailments that limit their sustaining of the self-sufficient lifestyle we all would like.
Some try to gather like minded, to form that utopian community.
The disintegration has brought some panic and desperation to preserve and promote a moral community. The pressures of urbanization, over regulation, and corruption (corporate and political), has pushed many to seek the freedoms of the past.
So, I don’t blame 0ldhomesteader for trying to do what he can to develop an enclave of mini America for engaged citizens. At least he is trying do help in a way he sees as a last resort before the collapse.
Your site has motivated several of us to take action in many different ways. I thank you for your efforts – this is your way of helping us as well as sustain your own lifestyle. Please don’t be too hard on others that choose to expound on their own ideas for an improved or alternate lifestyle.
There are many old war horses and younger ones too, that post on this site and probably many more that read it. I am married to one. After many years with him I have come to understand that the adrenaline of real combat never leaves the blood. It is always just under the surface waiting to reignite so to speak. The need to survive the battle is ingrained on those that came back home in a whole body and the mind never forgets the high. Not much in this ‘mundane life’ of the everyday ever truly fulfills being in war. Now this is my opinion after living with an ole Marine. One he verifies to me. Some that post are still just angry. Mr. is still angry. They went, fought and made it home. There were no parades for the Vietnam vets. Some just never get over the anger. I am willing to listen to warrior rant. Semper Fi
Mrs. U, O.H., Warrior elite, loyal to his principles, he’ll survive.
Took wife to town this morning for her hairdresser appointment, thought I’d get a store bought haircut myself while we were their. After seeing the NYPD officers getting assaulted with buckets of water, I was feeling pretty feisty, so I wore my bright red “Make America Great Again” ball cap. Sorta hoping someone would get it my face. Don’t do that often, but I had a pretty good mad going.
Pulled up the hair dresser’s shop on the old court house square downtown. As I got out of the car, a man ’bout my age was approaching, hovering over his great grand daughter as she navigated the side walk on her small bicycle with training wheels. We were the only humans in sight. He looked up, saw the cap, stood up straight and said, “I love that cap! I hate what our country has become!”. We talked about the sad shape our country was in for about 5 minutes or so. As he departed, he stopped, turned around and called back to me, “If you have any trouble for wearin’ that cap, you don’t have to turn around, I’ll be there friend.”
Put a little spring in my step, and a smile back on my face.
Dennis,
That’s a dang good story. Good for you! And the stranger!
Brings a smile to my face.
( I should be working, not reading/commenting)
I truely believe there are more of US, nationwide, than THEM.
I haven’t gone to Lefty sites (although a good idea), but the majority of site commenters ARE ALL Americans. Same beliefs, values.
Be damned the media spin, uplifting these people of trash, that hold no value to OUR COUNTRY.
Like Dennis I’m in town today, finishing a little work.
While visiting an ongoing project I decided to hit the local Sam’s Club and grab a few items I was wanting.
While pushing the big-ol cart around I came face to face with 4, count them 1-2-3-4 HUGE pallets full to the brim with Quilted Northern jumbo rolls of TP!!! I’m talking the HUGE 32 packs !!!
OHHH MYYYY GOD I dang near had a Heart Attack right there in the store, I believe I was actually drooling down my beard…..
Is a good day to be Alive my friends.
@NRP I am laughing so hard………..Picturing your face upon seeing the golden pallets of TP……..oh my………..hilarious.