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You can also use salt on the snail and slugs as long as it not a lot, it will harm the garden soil over a period of time.
There is a granule with iron in it. The snails and slugs eat it and pass. It will not hurt the pets. Do not recall the name. Beer works great but is gross. Snails can harbor some nasty parasites. Ask our resident Hawaiian.
Will not eat a snail and I have eaten some interesting critters living in the country! LOL
Mrs. U;
“Beer works great but is gross.”
I was not suggesting that one consumes the Beer afterwards AT ALL.
I take one of those 6″ish plastic saucers and bury it to ground height, take a larger one and cut notches in the rim. Pour the beer into the lower one and set the notched one over it, set a rock on top to hold it down if ya need to.
After a week, dump the entire thing into the trash (outside) and start all over again…..
Understand, it is slime. Definitely need disposable dishes!
Working in shirt sleeves yesterday. Two inches of snow this morning. Chickens hesitant to leave the chicken house when I opened the door this morning.
We’ve stocked up on our prescription meds because of the Wu-flu uncertainties. Got a six month reserve of everything except wife’s pain meds. Government regs prevent anything over a 30 day supply.
Already getting into our antibiotic reserves. Grand daughter developed strep throat a couple of weeks ago. She’s fully recovered now, but wife woke up this morning with bad sore throat and white dots on her tonsils. We started her on some of our stocked up penicillin.
Got a family reunion coming up in 2 weeks down in Texas. Me and my cousins are now the eldest generation, all in our late sixties to early 80’s. One aunt, the youngest of my parents generation, is still with us. Reckon I’ll make the reunion. Might be the last time I’ll see some of them. Life goes on………….until it don’t.
Just a reminder,
Be proactive with your physician. They are humans, well most are, and make mistakes and do not know everything.
My youngest son called me. The whole family was getting over the flu. He said my granddaughter had a really bad rash on her legs and arms along with ears flushing. They took her to the doctor and he was stumped as why she had a rash. Soooo he calls momma. Momma ask questions. What did you give her? Has she had that before? Aspirin was the new thing. After a very quick search on aspirin allergy it was obvious. Give her some Benadryl. Next day rash was going away. Gave her aspirin because the Tylenol was not helping her much. Reyes Syndrome is another reason to not give children aspirin with the flu.
Ibuprofen works well for my daughter. Never gave her Tylenol or aspirin as it doesn’t do anything for me. Ibuprofen works great on the very rare occasions it is required. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
To ‘Bam Bam’ if you’re out there…
I found a comment in the spam folder from you. These automatic spam filters don’t always work right. I released it as non-spam. Hopefully it will all work okay for your comments now.
Thank you, Ken.
Friends have a Clivus Multrum Composting toilet. It is attached to their house so you don’t have to go outside to use it. It works just as described. The fecal matter composts over the year and they remove the cup of it annually. Also, they built it themselves.
Skeezix
Good system but it does need a continual supply of power.
Hermit,
There are composting toilets that require electricity. However, the Clivus Multrum does not. Basically, it is a concrete sloping pad.
All the clivus multrum composters I have seen need power for the fan, the liquid pump, and moisture control.
In addition to the smell control and moisture control, users have had to add agitators to the compose, either manual or powered on a regular basis.
One further observation is that the largest tank is best for only two people as the composting takes months to mature – more people dom not give the system time to complete the process.
Some people use wood fiber to aid the system, but barley straw or soil may be better as wood contains some oils not conducive to fast composting.
The people I have talked to using this or a comparable system say that without the power for ventilation and drainage, they ended up with a bad smell and a liquid mess in the bottom of the tank.
Skeezix
There are design criteria on line that have been developed over time to give the best results. See how it works out for your friends.
Hermit,
I just checked on the internet and, wow, I couldn’t find anything that resembled my friends. Quite a change from forty years ago.
Perhaps I will stop by this summer and ask a few questions.
Skeezix
Comments from users I have heard – without the venting, drainage, and agitation, you might as well just have an “outhouse” in or attached to your house – yuk.
And size does really matter when you need to compost – balanced system based on the number of depositors.
Here’s a little fun fact to tell everyone that thinks the world is over populated.
Did you know that you could take the world’s population (7.8 billion) and fit them all in the state of Texas and give them all almost 1,000 square foot a piece? Not such a small world after all.
Nice fun fact Prepper Dan!
Another fun question…What do you call most of the people of the world at the bottom of the ocean?
A good start! 🙂
(I’m here all week, don’t forget to tip your waitress!)
1,000 sqft. is too small for us Americans because of all the crap we have like the ugly sweater we got 3 Christmas’s ago or the blender buried in the back of a cabinet somewhere in the kitchen. Hehe
Sounds like ole Bernie is gonna get boned again,,,,
His peeps will go bat crap crazy!
Fun to watch the democraps eat themselves
Right you are Kula!
I watched a few minutes of the demtards disfunctional debate and the whole time I was thinking how cool it would be for all of them to spontaneously combust!
Joe c
You still receive updates on Sadie from OH?
AC
I hadn’t heard from OH in awhile via email. Email issues on my side, I guess.
I was worried that I hadn’t received any forwarded messages from him, so I gave him a call about a month ago.
I’m glad I did! We talked for almost an hour! What a cool, full of heart guy!
Joe c
Just checking to make sure you to were still discussing Ms. Sadie’s sweet puppy dog manners. rowl
Yes, I know it is hard to keep a 1200-1500 lb grown heifer from bowling you over. We had one years ago but ours was more docile than your baby.
Look for mail just to make sure you two are still in contact. Believe they are going into lock down.
LOL
Yeah she’s a puppy dog, with a ‘tude.
She was so much sweeter when she was being bottle fed!
I know he said he was very busy.
Thanks for the heads up.
CF
Sorry to hear about your father. Know you were there seeing to his care for quite some time. Don’t forget to stay in touch after you find your new home.
Believe the rest of the group would like you to keep sharing your ‘ham knowledge’.
Interesting phone call this morning from the doctor’s office confirming my wife ‘s appointment next week. Have you been to China recently or near anyone that has been to China within the last 30 days? I am glad they are being cautious .
Bluesman
Be sure to wear your finest virus apparel to the dw’s doc’s visit–gloves/mask and eye wear jic
Acdh & I wore face masks for a lab visit the other day, jic. Told them we were not sick but we did not wish to take anything home with us.
A C ,
Good idea. Hospitals and clinics are germ havens, full of germs and stuff.
Bluesman,
I hope that after you answered the question you asked them if they or anyone on the staff, or anyone close to a staff member had been to China recently.
Arrogant medical people think they get to ask the questions and are not required to answer the same questions.
This morning I called a family meeting to discuss the Covid-19 virus situation. After all the kids (with grand kids) arrived at the farm, I told everyone under what circumstances I would call everyone to the farm and lock the farm down ( total isolation). Their reaction was “doing what I said left no way to save their job”. My reply was ” this is not about saving your job this is about saving your life”.
Then Lauren said that the government had taken over some old unused buildings in California cities and placed quarantined people in those buildings. A number of homeless people returned to the buildings and had mixed with the quarantined people only to be expelled by the police. This also happened in San Antonio.
This really messed up my plans of when to call my family to the farm. This virus can spread thru the homeless community nearly undetected untill there is a vector pool.
I need your ideas and suggestions on this.
Texas Boy
Understand both sides of the coin.
You want to see that they are protected against virus which has along shelf life all of it’s own. No warning signs that anyone is ill until it happens to them. How many did they infect through their lack of forethought.
Then you have your children, no job, no income to support their family. Bosses who will not understand that this is now a life or death situation.
You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
About the only thing you can do is have each family set up a decontamination area before entering the house. Children, they may have to stay with you, and be home schooled if that is possible.
From what I have gathered since this disaster began, this is not something that will fade away come April or May. This is a long term virus which will sweep through every nation at it’s own pace, and human carrier which provides it transportation.
Think of this as the Spanish Flu on high potency steroids, it will be around a very,, very,, long time. Whether we want it to our not. As for a cure, one year or more, and how many will die from the CURE(Guinea pig). A vet some of us know from an old blog has their spin on it, and it does set one back on their heels.
Read JS postings on anti virials and read Stephen Buhner’s books, it will give you an idea of what we are all up against.
They will have a job.It will be helping each other to survive and thrive…They will be schooling their children.Everyone will have chores and assist where needed.
Point out to each of them…The jobs of all those poor people in wuhan is not important to them because they have had their corpses burned…many families are wiped out totally. antivirals.. start and use daily for a minimum of 28 days as they arrive , if not already on them..
. Give each of them a short list of things to bring..( example) have one bring 40 lbs of rice and beans,one to bring 40 lbs of chicken, the other to bring 30 lbs of pork. another to bring 30 lbs of oats or dry cereal., one 4 bags of food for critters.
No count can be right we are seeing… it is enough we know it has to be horrific. potential for explosion from the interview last night.. on paul cottrell channel-he thinks cases will explode on 24-29th. if you/family are within 100 mi of SA,.. sooner.. will mean less chances of exposure…
. make sure they have all school materials for at least 2 years….ahead… and lots of reading material of all different types… material to challenge. look at 2nd hand stores for health related materials-( how to train CNA’s anatomy and Physiology esp important), old Medication books and as many pharma meds as they have in house…, herbal and wildcrafting books. For growing children- clothes in sizes too big, shoes of several kinds.( part of this you have already… just trying to jog own thoughts..) favorite Crafts/games to keep children busy in “down time”.
include.. shop lights with daylight bulbs plus extra for grow lights in dark/sheltered places. order sun shade, plastic for frost and heat retention in winter.
Have each one bring some kind of meat, and extra jar lids, rings or canning jars. a choice in a frozen vegetable.#10-20 lbs of each if you can make room to put it…. If they have dehydrators or canners….animal feed for chickens, rabbits or? you have.dog feed.TP and paper towels/paper plates/bowls .. large family gathering amounts…
.seeds especially for items that it takes 2 years to grow seed. greens-as much variety as your family will-and can eat. Antivirals!
This is NOT a sprint. This will be a MARATHON. Think and try to be prepared for 2 years.. ..every pound of dry goods will be vital.
Texas Boy,
Pray for Divine guidance. I am thinking we won’t know until too late without it. I to would like to know when things are “out of control” but, with the infectious incubation times that have been discussed, when we are certain it maybe too late.
I can think of very few faster ways to get things started in this country than in the homeless population. With a large segment mentally ill or drug users we may not know they are sick until they are dying. Then we all are in trouble as they will have spread it across the country.
Good luck and God Bless.
Texas Boy, more considerations,
you will need a separate living area, tent ,port a potty,thermometer, oygen sat monitor, b/p monitor… etc… for those who arrive “late to the party”.. they will need to remain separate prob for 30 days to be safe., old sailors on high seas were often stuck for 40 day quarantine. .. that is away from all other human contact.. those not coming when u call…. should be on daily of elderberry or tamiflu/or homemade version…run diffusers w antivirals.
any meds they are on for 6 months minimum… peak is estimated to occur April and May. this will be for this round only… will be at least 2-3 more. ..as it continues to mutate..
NRP
Beginning to wonder if you have stock in the tp market..lol.
Yes, I should have grab more of it the other day in Costco, but my basket was a little full at the time. Guess I will have to return for my semi trailer case load.
Which reminds me did you purchase that semi trailer last year when it was on sale? hummm no wonder you have Blue at home front.
Antique Collector;
Naw, just content with the 600 rolls …. for now, waiting to see what really happens with China.
Wife had the required boob squash yesterday and I’m sure the ladies can relate. As we were out of town we did a Costco run. Nobody wearing masks but large amounts of toilet paper and paper towels going out the door. Multiples of their mega packs for many buyers. We tend to stock babywipes and could probably rival NRP with his TP stash. Baby wipes can be washed and although it will probably be just about impossible to get the staining out they can also be sterilized or disinfected.
For what it is worth rumor control has a close contact of the individual in Humbolt county now infected also.
Now is probably not the time to be buying PMs as the price is skyrocketing, Gold was up $17.00 an ounce yesterday and has already gone up another $24.60 today and the market still has not closed. $1646.00 now and around $1550 a couple of weeks ago. Needless to say the market is down. We did move some investments out of stocks last week so hopefully we will not be hit to hard.
I filled a scrip today for “jic” as it had one refill on it. I mentioned to the pharmacy clerk ‘why’ and she looked at me with a puzzled expression so I said again the possibility of shortages or price gouging and she shrugged and said ‘Oh well”.
aka
Apparently they have never required a filled script for a JIC situation.
If they looked at you quizzically that means they do not watch the news that tells them we are in deep poop, but the reporting agency is on vacation–as usual.
Joe c
Ms. Sadie has mail
FinallyOuttaCA, no, I haven’t heard anything about cases in NY, but now you have me curious. I will have to look into it. We have many friends in the medical field. Because how could we NOT have cases in NY – they should be hitting both coasts if you think about it.
DAMedinNY, go to shrimp zoo channel u tube. info there he in ny./buffalo?
Tucker Carlson Show just said this has spread to South Korea and Japan. Vaccine not available for 18 months per CDC. Also mentioned about the group of people sent to Omaha so they can get the treatment they need. But if that is the case, why put them on a regular airplane?
@DAMedinNY
I don’t think the Omaha people were put on a regular commercial flight. From the beginning, the 14 diagnosed were supposedly placed in a special isolation section of the plane (think I saw a brief photo of it, with medical folks in PPE) for the trip from Japan. During the flight I think I read at least one other passenger was moved into the isolation section.
This is the most comprehensive article I could find on the evacuation:
usatoday (dot) com/story/travel/cruises/2020/02/17/coronavirus-diamond-princess-evacuees-test-positive-allowed-fly-united-states/4783787002/
Apparently the University of Nebraska is known for their facilities and treatment of highly contagious diseases, and is close to the designated quarantine center at Camp Ashland:
nebraskamed (dot) com/biocontainment/coronavirus-qa-what-it-is-and-how-to-avoid-it
Saw my Primary care Dr. today. At the end of my visit we had a quick discussion about coronavirus and protecting ourselves. We are both of the emergency preparedness mindset. They increased my prescriptions so I could build up an emergency supply. I had all the information needed regarding the “formulary” and what insurance would pay for, etc. All I had to do was ask and they agreed. I was a little worried about the conversation, but they actually seemed relieved to help me.
luv ya’ll, Beach’n
I keep seeing comments on how it is not possible to move manufacturing back to the US or at least North America.
I call BS on these statements. Look at the build up of armament manufacturing in the second world war – it a matter of months, industries had switched over.
Stop sending our raw materials off shore and bump up production of core necessities for our citizens. And for our safety, get back our production of pharma/med – it is like we have a knife at our throats now.
hermit us I wish you were correct. It would be good news for our Republic. But the “switched over” was of factories and trained people to run them. I’ve been in a lot of places where those old factories are just rusting away with those skilled workers long retired or dead. A very large percentage of our Oil Refinery crews come from India as young Americans are not interested in dirty nasty work.
Looking around how many young people have any interest in even going into the Trades like Plumbing and Electrician? You cannot force interest. You can force them to go to school for it upon not getting fed but what kind of work force would you have?
Aside from a few bright well raised young folks our American get up and go seems to have left.
As a matter of fact we closed our last ability to build Tanks in Dearborn Michigan about 10 years ago. All our tanks are more than 10 years old and we barely can maintain them at “Combat effectiveness” by salvaging parts from motor pool queens much like in the Navy and Air Force salvaging to keep other aircraft going.
If we were to stop being the policeman for the whole world, *issing off everybody maybe we could figure out how to fix our roads, bridges, aging electrical grid and maybe even build things again with the Billions we throw away in world policing every stinking day..
That would be a wonderful day for the Republic our forefathers built.
There is a factory building tanks in Lima, Ohio.
Kay S I just looked it up a congressional boondoggle don’t kill my funding effort. Produces and or modifies less than a dozen a month. Current Abrams tanks in US arsenal 7,000. With less than 700 crewed and fully functional with current upgrades.
Not exactly the arsenal of Democracy. The average age of Abrams Tanks 12-14 years old and for example of other weapons systems the F16 fighter is over 16 years old average age.
As a retired soldier I wish we were sending our young warriors out with current equipment but like WW2 when a Peer Level War breaks out (not chasing goat farmers around the desert) our folks will be trading blood and bravery for technology they wished they had.
The Cobram armor is still awesome but top of tank targeting current AT missiles like the Javelin is dealing with much weaker stuff.
We still need to get out of the World Policeman stuff. Thomas Jefferson wanted us to be in his words “A friend to all with enemy to none”.
Here is a list of expired foods that I have used the past couple of weeks.
Campbell’s Chicken Noodle soup with a date of Jan 2006. Opened several cans. First one was fine until about the 5th spoonful, then I started to taste a metallic taste. All the others opened had a strong metallic taste from the beginning.
Campbell’s Tomato Soup with a date of Oct 2017. Again opened several cans. All tasted fine.
Navitas Organics Cacao Powder. 16 oz bag with a Best Before date of Mar 2019. Tasted fine.
Krusteaz Buttermilk Pancake mix 32 oz box. Best By 7/2/19. Tasted fine.
Del Monte corn 15.25 oz with a date of 9/25/17. Tasted fine.
Also opened MRE vanilla pound cakes. All tasted fine. No date on these, but I estimate them to be about 20 years old.
Can of beefaroni purchased in 2012 tasted fine. Can of chunk chicken purchased 2015 tasted fine. Can of Campbell’s clam chowder purchased 2015 tasted fine. Can of pineapple purchased in 2013 tasted flat.
We had noticed some time ago that the canned fruits don’t seem to hold up as long as the vegetables. So we never stored too many fruits.
Woke up this morning, got out of bed. No intolerable aches or pain. Started the coffee, stepped out on the porch, air is still and crisp, sun just coming up. I’m alone in my thoughts, everyone else is still hugging the covers.
Chickens are slowly sneaking out of their house. Evidently my son forgot to close them up last night. A quick head count satisfies me that none were lost to varmints.
Counting my blessings as I reflect on the week gone by. Yes, we have encountered a few bumps in the road traveled. Had to carry one son to have dental surgery, an unexpected expense, but I had the funds to handle it. Wife showed symptoms of strep at the beginning of the week, but I had the proper antibiotics on hand. She began to medicate immediately, symptoms are going away, so there probably won’t be a doctor visit.
Older son is still recovering from the cancer treatment regimen. Eating good now. He applied for a two week extension on his disability insurance, giving more time to recover before returning to work.
Got a family reunion coming up down in Texas, still two weeks away. I plan on being there. Four hundred mile drive. Corona virus a concern, but I’ll be taking the risk unless things change quickly.
Well, my part time neighbor just drove by. Looks like he’s heading back to some hunting grounds behind my place. Last weekend of archery season for deer. Don’t know if he’s still hunting, or maybe preparing for the spring turkey hunting.
Folks, we have some obstacles we must face. Always have, always will. Don’t let fear of the unknown dominate. Take time to appreciate what you have. Try to dwell on the good. I am blessed. Take a deep breath, look around you, I bet you’ll see that you are too.
Y’all have a good one.
Forgot to mention, for those who might be interested. I did a little impromptu testing on my last bulk order of CCI .22 lr rimfire ammo, this week.
Every year, around Christmas, CCI runs a promotional batch of .22 lr ammo with red and green polymer coated bullets. A couple of months after Christmas, suppliers usually put these on sale at close to half price (four cents a round). I have used these in the past, but almost exclusively in revolvers, where they performed flawlessly.
I read some reviews from dissatisfied buyers, complaining that they were “underpowered” and failed to cycle the actions of their semi-auto pistols. Got me wondering if they were in fact “underpowered”. So I ran some tests.
I used the little Taurus PT-22 Poly, which has always been picky about what ammo it will digest. It performs flawlessly with CCI Mini-Mag 40 grain solids. It cycled the first 3 rounds of the polymer coated ammo, then started failure to ejects, and stove piping almost every round. Switched back to the regular CCI ammo, it performed perfectly.
I thought that perhaps those giving the bad reviews might be correct saying it was “underpowered”. I broke out the chronograph to check velocities.
I quickly found that, rather than being “underpowered”, the polymer coated bullets, same weight and diameter as the copper plated bullets, averaged over 50 fps faster. Definitely not “under powered.
My assessment is that the polymer coated bullets must go down the barrel with less resistance, therefore generating less rearward pressures on the on the slide of a semi-auto pistol, resulting in the failures to fully cycle.
I finished out the range session using the Ruger Wrangler single action revolver. The increased velocity held true in it as well, and accuracy was excellent. The polymer coated ammo is an excellent choice for it, and I suspect, for just about any non-semiauto.
If one gathers nothing else from this post, take this with you. Always function test your ammo in the guns you are going to use it in……….before you need to use it.
My gut tells me that the WHO will make a statement this week that the coronavirus is considered a pandemic. I think the WHO is purposefully delaying this announcement but hell is breaking loose over seas. Shutting down cities is no joke.
If/when this announcement happens, people will react. Though I am already set, I will be going to the store today for one last rush of items. This virus is one bad MFer. R0 too high for my comfort. The # needing hospitalization too high. People having viral load even after recovery. Everything just screams bad. I hope I am wrong…but this is exactly what we prepare for. May a God bless all of us as we look into this storm.
I agree with you — if/when the WHO announces official pandemic, mainstream America will begin to go “huh?” and start to the grocery stores. We’ll see how .gov and MSM “manages” or “eases” the reality to Mericans as it unfolds. We’ll see if and how long it takes to break ‘just-in-time’ supply chains when too many people buy too much “stuff” at once.
If/when they do make it official, I will make yet another topping-off run for food, TP, and other stuff. (While taking common sense precautions while out in public, and immediately afterwards).
If this was just a flu they wouldnt be shutting stuff down, people are ignorant of whats going on, have been called alarmist, and that was just for asking about it,,,
And that’s why I cannot stand the mainstream media, and the rest within the same class of lying @$$h*!#$ within .gov who cover stuff up.
We are better served to hear the truth. The reality — rather than the fuzzy dumbed-down version.
On the other hand, I do sort of get why there is (likely) a mandate to “manage” the release of this information in this particular case (though they’ve been covering it all up until just recently).
Why are they “managing” it? Because people will panic.
Why will people panic? Well, that’s another article. Maybe for tomorrow. Although the answer to that would probably take a book worth’s of reasons. I just shake my head. Whatever. At least you and I and others here (and others elsewhere) are critical-thinking rational common-sense human beings who “get it”. The rest? Well, they’re screwed… so to speak.
I have also been wondering when/how the w h o will finally break the pandemic news. And, when it gets to the point they can no longer postpone it, I’m betting they will still sugar coat it.
Finished the un-packing! WOW. Do NOT want to move ever again…rather drop dead! Two months of what I can easily term HARD LABOR.
Found a few holes in the near term pantry, and a fewer amount of holes in the long term supplies. Guess I need to raid NRP for starters! Good thing we moved closer (LOL). And, probably want to visit his lake as well for a couple items.
Sure do enjoy the posts from Dennis. I especially enjoy your quiet moments thoughts you share. Blessings being sent from our house to you and yours.
Pegasus…getting ready for a run to Pahrump….you heading that way anytime soon?
AC, always enjoy your updates as well, and the blessings you sent us may have been plenty powerful, because our move went smoothly, things have settled in and I can even start planning improvements.
Want to send out a thank you to Ken for this wonderful family he built for us here at MSB. Hope we all remain safe and happy! PW
Pioneer Woman
Happy to hear the move is completed. Time to set back an breathe before the treasure hunt begins.
Now, in regards to the tp stash of NRP’s, use a drone for surveying🤩. You will find it camflaged with some construction style netting. It might have the wording ”Scott’s tp” but we all know it is NRP’s ..rowl.😂
Pio…so glad your move is done! I remember doing that while my DH was away on campaign wildfires. I am surprised I have any friends left!
We are planning a trip hopefully in April. We have 1 trip planned down there but we are waiting to see how this whole pandemic is working out around then. Until that time though we need to practice!!
Pioneer Woman:
Welcome to the neighborhood.
Let me know when you what to drain Navajo Lake, I know thare is a LOT of stuff on the bottom.
Probably some stuff we do NOT want to know about also.
PS:
OMG I hate moving rather have the Shingles again than move
Pioneer, makes me tired just to think of it. I consider at times if Mr. passed HOW would I deal with all of the stuff.
I got everything that’s even slightly cold tolerant out in the greenhouse, and what do you know, the temperatures dropped. The bin is now in the house, and going out on the porch every morning. Some of them need to be repotted, so that won’t work much longer.
The yard is starting to come to life under the snow. I’m going to close up the winter drainage for the tanks this morning, so they should start to fill. With the meltoff from one more good snowstorm, we’ll have drinking water through the beginning of summer if that becomes necessary. Dad and I are set if there’s a quarantine, but I worry about my siblings.
I read an interesting story yesterday from my neck of the woods. A man was supposed to turn in his firearms because he violated a protective order. He didn’t turn them in by the deadline. So the police and FBI went to his home/property with specially trained dogs that had been trained to sniff out guns and ammo. They got all 20 weapons. He lived on 20+ acres. I don’t know where he hid his weapons but they were all found, even a few unregistered guns. Those that think you can hide your weapons may be in for a surprise.
Peanut,
I agree. Folks planning on hiding their guns had better be creative. Better yet, don’t become a target for a search.
No such thing as a registered gun in my state. Guns that can be traced, yes. Registered, no.
It’s interesting to watch the progression of a pandemic. Whether it will fizzle or not remains to be seen, but each area has its own progression. It works out across the board to a perfect J-curve, but in each area there’s a secondary progression which I should think would mess up the curve, but doesn’t. Right now the hotbeds are in Japan, South Korea, and Italy. Each is growing exponentially, but at different rates. The world-wide doubling period works out to about five days at the moment.
So Iran and Italy have started quarantines. Whatever else happens, this is going to play havoc with the economy.
Been cold and clear this week, freezing at night. Elk hung around for a few days.
Cookie decided to play a chase game with Ani, a very preggers sow. Stopped them as soon as I could, but Ani farrowed later that day. Couple real runts in the 7 she had so wonder if they were a few days premature. Runtiest wad not able to compete for titty time against siblings twice her size so she came in yesterday for hand feeding. Sweet little snuggler.
Sat up late with Ani in freezing cold. Have been coughing my lungs up ever since. Never believed getting cold would give one a cold, but could be wrong. Then again, everyone seems sick with something this time of year, and this spring am no longer a spring chicken.
Had plans for the week. Spent most of it sipping peach ginger turmeric tea, a gift from 0HDW, and becoming very good friends with Dayquil.
Anony Mee got a whole chicken you can boil up for some good old Jewish Penicillin? The add some kimchee to as your serving it?
A powerful flu-bug fighter for me. Do you have a recipie for Fire Cider if your not interested in Kimchee? Also very effective using most of the same anti-viral foods.
“Let food be your medicine, and medicine be your food.”. Hippocrates was an ancient Greek physician (460-377 BC), who is considered to be the father of modern medicine. Hippocrates also said: “IF you feed a cold, THEN you will have to starve a fever.” This advice is still quoted today, but with the IF and THEN left out.
I agree with feeding both the cold and the fever as the modern take on this.
BTW good tea choice!
Keep an eye on your health friend, we need all the immune system “bullets” we can get.
me2
I prefer Isiah 55:2
Eat that which is good and delight thyself in fatness.
The last phrase was on the menu of a restaurant where I worked in a previous life.
Anony Mee LOL that’s an excellent one!
Get healthy you have much to do!
Anony Mee
“Never believed getting cold would give one a cold”
I thought that also, but finally heard a good explanation from one of Dr. John Campbell’s coronavirus videos. It was a side comment, but he said that when your nose gets cold, it slows the bloodflow to it, which reduces the number of white cells available to fight any potential virus.
At least that makes sense to me, rather than just the “old wives tale” I grew up with, lol!
Hope you feel better soon!
Had a good laugh last Monday.
Was in the fishing section of a sporting goods shop talking to one of the workers there. Discussing best hooks for river salmon and creek trout. He said he was also a professional guide and asked which river I was considering. Showed me a picture of his boat. Told him where I lived (pretty famous for steelhead, chinook, and coho salmon) and showed him a picture of elk in the back pasture. He responded by asking if I was also looking for a husband. Had to laugh and say “not today.”
ha ha ha Anony Mee , take it as a compliment.
Mrs U
The bloom has been off the rose for a while now. 😉
That’s why I laughed.
Times being what they are though, my location has never been more desirable.
Be assured, I did.
In the west we have been having really beautiful warm weather, so I think today I am going to plant some cold weather spinach and swiss chard out in the garden. With some hand watering we may get something…or it may freeze in the next few weeks.
As part of my scrambling to fill the holes in preps, I bought a few bare root berry bushes. Some of them have already leafed out. I cannot find much info on what to do with these. I have kept them in the 50 degree shop and am thinking I need to plant them. But we will definitely be getting more freezing nights, so will that kill the new growth?
Thanks MSB family and Ken for allowing a platform for us to connect. During times especially like these it is good to know we are not alone.
Pegasus
I have one berry bush in leaf and two bare root fruit trees doing the same. All going into large buckets in the dog kennel. If it drops down will pull out the cheap sheets to make tents for protection against the weather. If you have a Good Will in your area pick up the sheets there for the plant protection. Then one does not have to worry if the don’t match😊.
Thanks AC!
Sort of chilly here in North/Central Florida. High in the 60’s lows in the upper 30’s. Had to bring the citrus trees inside last night.
We have been prepping for a long WU FLU. One of the preps is to hit the $3.95 DVD’s at WW, so we’ll have some entertainment “IF”? it happens.
Don’t know about the rest here, but the “IF?” is looking more and more each day like a “WHEN?”.
Body count is 2300+ dead today, was 1600+ last Sunday. Scary stuff?
Stay safe, God Bless, and watch out fur dem hogs!
We have been considering a short vacation with the camping trailer since Covid-19 killed our plans for airline travel. Plan is to go up the left coast at least as far as Washington and see friends along the way. Thinking about a trip into Canada and I know I can’t take my pistol but am wondering what the rules are on semi-auto 22 rifles. An AR-7 lives in my car along with my get home bag. Anyone know what the Canadian law is?
You going to Canada? Believe me, LEAVE THE GUNS HOME.
Besides, Canada is not worth going un-armed.
You need a permit, good for 60 days, I believe, but can be extended at no charge. I don’t know how much the permit costs. Try googling
Bringing a firearm into Canada, that should take you to some pertinent info
Most hunters I’ve talked to found the process fairly painless. One thing they did say was to stop at US customs and pick up a formdeclaring that you were taking XYZ out of the country and would be bringing it/ them back in.
It simplified the return process. I do know that it is a lot more hassle for a Canadian to take a hunting rifle into the US than vis versa. Check things out on line, the .gov here has a fair number of BS laws about mag capacity and weapon length. Mostly band aid solutions to try and pacify the lefties with out pissin’ off the rural vote too much.
Good luck
Ran out this week to get some assorted items at Costco and Walmart. Costco inventory looked fine except for the TP and paper towels. The pallet rack shelving they have against the back wall was completely empty. Usually that’s pretty full. Had quite a few pallets on the floor though.
Saw the same issue at Walmart. No extra stock of TP or paper towels on the top shelves like usual. Also the OTC meds, antibiotic creams and other health items had a lot of holes. Way more than usual. Food products were pretty much in stock.
Be interesting to see what it looks like in another week or couple.
A&O
11HE9,
Must have been raided by NRP!
Does any one know why we have Democrats?
God was out of locusts!
Was in Home Depot the other day looking at the drill bits.
A blond came in and ask the clerk for the stud finder.
Said she wasn’t having any luck on Match.com
OK I made this up and I am blonde/well was blonde 🙂
Mrs U
True story.
When one of my sisters was on the dating scene she kept a stud finder in her purse. When a guy she was not interested in hit on her she’d take it out and turn it on. Then tell the guy “sorry, no.”
Occasionally she was a blonde,
Anony, Now I would liked that back in the day. What fun!!!
Mrs. U,
I like it! Thanks for the laugh.
Mrs U……
For a made up joke……that was funny!
Since I have been slacking on food preps, I thought it was my turn. Things I thought we might need.
Holy wow, did I teach the other half well. (Self pat on back)
I won’t go through the whole list, because she had it well covered.
Chap stick, more lighters, more bleach, Clorox wipes, powdered milk-and in a chocolate version, baking soda, powder, iodized salt and peanut butter.
I went to the Dollar Tree. They seemed fully stocked and busy.
Then WW,…..I know….I had band them.
But I wanted to see their inventory.
Disinfectant wipes were picked through.
I was in a hurry and had forgotten to check out non food inventory…..I spent way too much time in the public setting that day.
Brother said he was going to order Elderberry for us and himself.
I would like to order some elderberry bushes and plant around the property.
Has anyone dealt with this?
I wish all well here.
We are going to see tuff times a comin’.
Stay safe, healthy, and alert.
And thanks to Ken and all that have given excellent information on what is happening.
Joe C, Elderberry likes a lot of moisture… . after your bushes get up some height they are supposed to be able to propagate. I had a puppy get ahold of my plants last year, had in willow tea… to root…Mama was NOT happy. going to try again… Have some seed. need to get them going..
Cuttings are better, seed is tough to germinate and slow to grow
JC
Ebay!
Or Strictly Medicinal Seeds
Richo may well have started plants available
Just Sayin & Kula
Thanks for the info.
Just checked SMS.
Out of stock on elderberry.
There was a bush on my brother’s property that he would not tell me where.
Well I guess I covered it with one of two brush piles.
He was not pleased with me.👼
I guess I’m in the dog house, too…..along with Puppy
Joe c and everybody who wants to grow elderberry. It’s EASY. It’s almost a thug plant. Find someone nearby that has a elderberry patch. Ask for some this springs green spring shoots. Cut a hands length segment with several buds on it at a diagonal. Strip off the lower 2/3rds of the bugs leaving the tip buds alone. Use some growth hormone or make some with willow twigs in water for a day or crush a plain aspirin in a glass of water all are good rooting hormone. Soak lower half of cutting in hormone for half a day or so. Plant in a pot of good soil. Keep moist (don’t drown it) use a plastic bag like a mini-greenhouse and pretty soon in about six weeks or so you should find it’s rooted.
Expect some failures here. If I want 8 elderberry plants I start with 12 cuttings. More often than not I get 12 plants, Oh well :-O!
Planted in good soil and enough moisture you should get a small harvest this year.
So Joe GO Look at that brush pile there Might be a elderberry sticking out somewhere. Or ask around the older gardeners who make jelly-jam.
Small skills like this helped my family prosper during the Great Depression. Even Socialists cannot stop the rain or the sun from rising.
me2
Copied and pasted your info.
Minorjim and kula,
Thanks!
I (we) should have done this years ago.
Never thought of the importance of a berry would be so serious.
Those two quarts of tincture, I thought I had, turned out to be only one. Slight, ohh crap mode.
Joe C,
Most elderberry bushes are at least 6′ tall, if not bigger at maturity. Think back, this would have had loads of white flowers on the ends of umbrels, like a star-burst pattern. Pretty hardy, unless you cut it down and sprayed the new shoots. On bush should give you about 5 gallons of berries. Least that’s
What mine do, and I live in high desert using a little irrigation.ymmv.
The tangle of elder behind my friends house is about 30′ high and covers about 1200sf,,,,
So far it resists being cut back, run over with a dozer and roundup! Just keeps coming back.
I got to take him some eggs and check the flowers and berry sitch,,,
Joe c
sfherb.com has elderberries and elderberry flowers in stock as of this evening.
Anony Mee
Thanks.
Will inform brother of this site.
Have you ordered from them? Quality products?
My brother is a stickler.
Joe c
Both on-line and in-person last time I was in CA. Herbs and spices for cooking for me and family members. So far so good.
Just ordered some botanicals and we’ll see.
The niece told us today that one of the parties were she works just returned from the orient. Of course the returning party said there was nothing to worry about, the area which they were in was not infested. OH JOY! It may not have been but what about the plane they came back to the states in from over there? 😤🤧😷
Lot more COVID-19 stories on mainstream media in the last few days. Thinking as it continues to spread to Japan and South Korea we may start to get more accurate numbers on fatality rate?
Starting a 10-22 build to go along with my stock ruger. Ordered the BRN-22 receiver from Brownells to start, anyone have any recommendations for aftermarket bull barrels?
Top o the mornin’ to ya, RB8. Bull barrel? Have you considered really needing one? Heavy barrels on a short range rimfire rifle is simply marketing Berniespeak, (nonsense to us un-woke masses). Intended effective range of said cartridge is 0-50 yards, negating need of the stabilizing effects of a heavy barrel. Save barrel money and upgrade factory Ruger sights to M1A style, money MUCH better spent, YMMV.
rb308
My vote is for a Volguartsen carbon fiber wrapped barrel.
They are excellent, not cheap, but pretty much the standard for high quality
Kulafarmer, yea they’re super nice but definitely pricey. Have read some pretty good reviews on the Kidd barrels as well….decisions decisions
1 off preps for this week
kens piece on hepa filters showed me a gap in my preps so got this one ElectrIQ EAP400D with a set of spare filters will look at the uv light when it arrives to source a spare my experience with fish tanks indicates a change in bulbs every 6 months .
the second prep a sterling silver tea strainer and stand in wonderful condition 3 troy ozs of silver at around spot and my tea is now strained in the most elegant way.
Don’t let a crisis go to waste. Folks need to pay attention to this.
Anybody notice the recent “suicide” of Phillip Haney? Who is Phillip Haney? Glad you asked.
Phillip Haney was a whistle blower. One of the original higher ups in the Department of Homeland Security. After retirement he tried to blow the whistle on the infiltration of DHS by muslim operatives during the Obama years, and the push by Obama appointees to downplay muslim threats and convince the public that white supremacist were the biggest threat to America.
Trump just replaced the Director of National Intelligence with an outsider. Susan Rice, Brennan, Clapper have gone ballistic (must have been a good choice by Trump). Immediately after, Phillip Haney “commits suicide”.
A close friend says that Haney confided to him recently that he was fearful that he was being targeted for death because of his knowledge of what took place under Obama and his operatives, and if he died, it would not be a suicide.
I read this report yesterday. Most people have no idea the level of corruption – to the extent of murder – ahem, I mean, suicide – that exist within the very powerful deep state structure(s) of this nation. It’s real. And it can be very bad for one’s health.
But that’s just one man’s opinion.
Ken,
Wasn’t it ironic that the day after his “suicide”, DHS publicly named “white supremacists” as the number one terror threat to America.
Now we can expect a social media campaign to discredit the book he just had published. Funny how these things work.
Sur glad I’m like Sgt. Schultz……………”I know nothink!!!”
And I predict that they will vastly broaden and warp the perceived definition of white supremacist to include many (or all) who are (NOT) of the former definition, but simply patriots. The new enemy. The writing’s on the wall. I see many ways in which they may attempt to accomplish this.
It’s terrible, but the entrenched globalist/communists (or whatever you want to call this power structure) are coming after the traditional American spirit of freedom, liberty, and patriotism. We are the only light of real freedom (to the extent that it is), on this planet. It has been an experiment. They want us crushed, and controlled.
We have entered the phase of fat, dumb, and happy. Actually entered long ago. Easily controlled. Gimmee dats. Free stuff. Easily controlled.
The (older) patriots are just that, getting older. The young (not all) have been indoctrinated into the ideal of hating these Americans. Loving socialism, even communism (because they don’t know history).
Anyway, I’m just saying what most of us already know. It’s a battle for sure. Frustrating to watch it unfold. Oh well. Whatever, right? (/sarc).
Ken,
This may be a topic for a future discussion. The push to demonize “right wing conservatives” as “white supremacists” to be feared and loathed.
I remember, early on in the opening months of the Obama presidency, and Loretta Lynch’s justice department, their insatiable desire to identify and prosecute “white supremacist militias”. One case in particular caught my attention. That was the persecution prosecution of the “Hutaree Militia”.
I’ve always been a live and let live type guy, when it came to militias. Never saw them as a threat, never had a desire to be part of that movement. To each his own, whatever cranks your motor. But as a law enforcement professional, I find myself always analyzing the predicates used to prosecute folks, especially highly publicized federal prosecutions. I found myself, early on, doing just that in the case of the “Hutaree Militia” members.
It appeared that the case against them was, basically, 1) they where white 2) they had quite a few guns 3) they liked to sit around camp fires drinking beer 4) they liked to blow off steam by bragging about what they would like to do to cops and others they saw as interfering with their pursuit of happiness.
When reading the evidence against them, I voiced to others that I felt this was a vindictive prosecution with little or no hard evidence they actually presented a threat.
Luckily for them, so did the judge who heard the case. The case was thrown out, along with a harsh lecture by the judge to the prosecuting attorneys.
As a caution to folks who vent their frustrations on forums such as this one, I’ll share an experience I had fairly recently, that may or may not be relevant.
One afternoon, last fall, an older, fairly non-descript car pulled up to my rural home. A man stepped out with an open laptop computer, tapped a couple of keys, then did two complete 360 degree turnarounds (I was watching him from inside my home as he had tripped my driveway alarm). I stepped out and asked him if he was lost (I seldom have visitors I don’t know) He identified himself as a temporary worker for the Census Bureau, doing a pre-census scouting of the area in preparation for the up-coming census. Sounded plausible. I answered a few questions about the homes in the immediate area that appeared to be unoccupied, again, plausible questions for a census taker. He left. I retired to my range for some therapy.
Later, I drove back to visit with some part-time residents who were up for some deer hunting. I asked if the “census worker” had visited their place. They related they had watched him as he tried to take pictures of me, through the woods, as I practiced on the range. Strange behavior for a “temporary census worker” I would think.
Was I being surveilled? Good possibility. Was he taking pictures with his lap top while doing the 360’s in my drive? Sounds feasible. What would make me a target? Don’t know. I do know I have a file. I’m an honorably retired LEO who has protected every president between Gerald Ford and Bush II inclusive, complete with pictures and handshakes, held top secret clearances. You know that they know who I am.
What would prompt my being looked at? All I can think of would be an on-line presence on a perceived “right wing conservative” blog.
In reality, I’m just a wore out old man who lives back in the hills, who likes to shoot a lot, and likes to share a few experiences. Now that I think about it, he probably was just a census worker.
Dennis
Welcome to the club.
Hello Bill, I need a ……….. done…….
Ken, you are right on. My question is what can WE do about it? I am tired of sitting idly by while a few idiots classify us as dangerous citizens.I am mid sixties and other than voting Trump again in 2020 I don’t know how a few can stop this snowball from crushing all the righteous law abiding Patriots that we are.Our way the Patriotic , I’ll take care of my own, thank you very much kind of life needs to be preserved, not locked away and forgotten about by the next generations.
I’m with you Maggie’s farm, but sadly it is NOT JUST a few idiots. There are millions of idiots who do not cherish liberty and American Exceptionalism.
Stay vigilant!
True, millions.
Just another of a thousand cuts and not many citizens are complaining, yet.
The perfect society in their eyes, the socialist/communist proponents – caviar and vodka for the privileged and bread lines for the unwashed masses (that’s us)
Looks like the SNAP/EBT network crashed on the east coast. oops. I was going to dig a trench today for some underground feeder cable… might be stuck to YouTube instead.
May the odds be ever in your favor!
Boot laces! Oh my goodness, this may be the prep I forgot. Such a small prep, but sooo needed. Oops.
Pegasus
Paracord works good for that
Kulafarmer,Katniss woulda loved some paracord😁
and should it really get crazy and you see a groundhog…. their hide/skin makes tough durable shoes laces. Was used as such back during the day…..
Dennis
How I wish that it were true, ‘only a census taker’.
After we lost our home in the fire of 2004 and replaced it, one day a women showed up on hot day. Rather than answer her questions outside I invited her in to the new home. Answered her questions but what set my alarms bells of was her keying her laptop as if she were tagging our home.
Being a dowser does not mean I only look for water, I know we were tagged because of an old blog I would post my thoughts. Was I mean or vindictive only one time when a fellow blogger & offered to purchase a row boat with one oar for ms P and 2 fellow higher ups so they could paddle around hades as they were being detrimental to our way of life.
It could have also been that dh is retired military, he worked in certain areas which we do not discuss even to this day.
Yet that creep feeling you were being watched & tagged never goes away. Lock your gate from now on, put a call button or signal down by it so you know who is coming to call without an invitation. mho
ps: never let them on your land again
Some food for thought. Last week the death toll from the WU FLU was 1,665 mostly in China. Today it is around 2,442 but spreading to places outside of China. That is an increase of around 780 deaths from this monster in a seven day time span. Israel now has 200 suspected cases.
Anyone who say’s ” This is just another common flu-bug” is a fool in my book. Anyone who can read knows that Japan and South Korea are getting hit big time, along with Italy and Iran.
Why is the W.H.O so concerned about this killer if it is a nothing burger?
Firearm Experts;
Any suggestions for a good 2 Stage Trigger for an AR10?
Not 2 stage,
But
JP trigger modules are excellent
Thanks Kula!
I will look into JP.
Be well!
After some research, I ended up going with a CMC AR15/10 Compatible Drop In Trigger System with a 3.5 LB Pull. Very pleased with this lighter weight trigger vs the heavy factory mil-spec trigger.
I have no association with this company whatsoever but for a nice smooth clean breaking aftermarket Drop In Trigger Assembly for your AR platform rifle, check out CMC Triggers 100% Made In The Great State of Texas
https://www.cmctriggers.com/
RDM
Cool beans!
Thanks for the link RDM/KJ
Did you go with the two stage? Or the single?
Might get one for a dedicated 22lr im building, was going to use the JP as all the other parts are from them, but those look and sound good, i like the idea of the lighter pull weight.
Kulafarmer;
Check out their prices on Binary Triggers….
Kula and NRP
I went with the Single Stage Trigger with CMC’s signature Flat Bow. The local gun store that I dealt with had the Single Stage CMC Triggers priced about $30 less than the CMC website so I’m assuming they have a volume discount.
For an AR10 16″ barrel “Battle Rifle” the single stage works fine for me, but on a bench rest rifle I’d sure look at the 2 stage triggers.
Best to all and safe shooting!
The Democrat Party has become the Socialist Democrat Party (Bernie Sanders winning primaries).
The future of America is becoming VERY BLACK-AND-WHITE so to speak. Stark and obvious differences where this nation will be headed // the choices that must be made.
NOV-2020 will be it. One direction or the other. We shall see.
Ken looks like Bernie is going to run away with it….scary that a socialist could potentially be one election away from running this country. What’s even scarier is if he were to win the popular vote and Trump takes the electoral……think the left concedes graciously at that point?
Not meant to be argumentative here, but this Wahun virus still doesn’t pass the smell test.
#1, If there was 1000’s of cases in America, social media would be going nuts. Everybody has a camera, everyone wants to be on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and they are not. We all know, EVERYTHING on the internet is true.
#2, No recorded cases in Africa (Egypt case is a tourist from China), South America, nor Central America.
#3, First confirmed case in US, 1-20-20, was NOT at fish market, was sick for 5 days before seeking medical attention. NO outbreak.
#4, Who benefits economically from this? Shutting down China, economically, hurts the whole world.
#5, Why doesn’t China, let our doctors and scientist, any where close to the BSL-4 lab?
#5,The origins of the virus are no longer important. Playing the blame game at this point is too little, too late. If this were a conventional military attack, President Trump’s response would have already been decisive, and it’s NOT – but I fear because this is a different type of threat, the Government, is lieing it’s ass off to prevent it’s totally incompetence from showing.
#6,The first quarantines in major U.S. cities will grind the U.S. economy to a halt and there’s going to be nothing the Federal Reserve, Gov’t, Cops, Doctors, or FEMA, can do to save it. Riots will start immediately, and there is nothing they can do to stop them.
I know this is serious, but the facts just don’t line up.
Curious to know your opinion… Do you believe that it’s not really happening? Or that what we apparently know from actions in China are blown out of proportion? Or that this is engineered not to affect humans other than Asian descent? Not being combative but would like to get your opinion of what may actually be going down — or not going down…
Ken Jorgustin
It’s happening, But not like in China. Not counting that petri dish cruise ship, MOST, of the infected are of Asian ancestry, not all, most. India, has only 3 confirmed, Pakistan 0. Mongolia 0.
Absolutely, I do think this is a GMO virus. Virus in nature do not have the qualities of this virus. We will probably never know, but, it’s acting like a GMO weaponized virus. Targeted for Asian blood, I think, Yes.
Patient 0, walk around , in public for 5 days. It’s been 34 days, and no one else is sick? That doesn’t make sense. But, they were all Caucasian.
Facts are being keep secret, so making any kind of fact related opinion is impossible. I believe, there are more cases in US than are reported, but not 1000’s, Just look at the smuggled videos out of China. They took a huge chance, getting them out. We have no where close to that censorship, yet, crickets on social media in US.
Nobody, not even China, knows what the hell is going on in that country. It’s the biggest FUBAR, the world has ever seen. And, we will Never know the truth.
For the life of me, I can NOT figure out who benefits from either the virus damage, or the disruption in supply line shipping. Who has the power, to put the WHOLE world, into an economic disaster? Why are the worlds markets, NOT,showing any worries about this?
The one good thing I can see, is the USA, just got a rude call, concerning what we don’t manufacture. Maybe, just maybe, some to the critical industries are required to come home and produce, maybe.
I don’t know Ken, most of this is way above my pay grade. Just trying to think outside the box. Plus, I don’t believe much what I read.
SMG-A Mee-Peanut-me2
If you will go back in time there was a certain ‘charity’ organization referred to as the Gates foundation. They had “funded” a study on the common cold virus aka corona virus. Which was being pursued in the lands to the north of the USA, how little did we know. Does anyone believe that they would have had the same open opportunity inside our borders?
The news media(lol-joke on us)did a fly by mentioning of them working on such a virus. Of course it was here today, gone tomorrow, puff piece, and yes I am being snarky for a reason.
Then fast forward to the news story out of Canada where they “escorted” Chinese patriot doctors out of that lab. That story was fairly recent as I recall. No mentioning as to WHY they removed them from the level 4 lab.
Whom do we hold accountable, in our household the foundation that thought they could play with mother nature. One does not fund a lab where toxic virus can be exploited by other nations to the betterment or determent.
We can now see it is to the determent of the worlds population. Be they rich or poor, this virus could care less as it is an equal opportunity destroy of life as we all know it.
mho
Antique Collector from what I’ve read in a few sites I trust like IAF and can verify via internet search both the US Government and Gates folks ran simulations recently about a Spanish Flu style scenario. A bit like those “School Active Shooter” training sessions just before an actual mass shooting occurs.
Now your telling Mr. “We need to reduce the population” Gates funded this bug?
Sorry to say though your last comment
“We can now see it is to the determent of the worlds population. Be they rich or poor, this virus could care less as it is an equal opportunity destroy of life as we all know it mho”
is not always true. The very rich and powerful have already bought themselves bolt holes and or US Taxpayer Nuclear-Biological-Chemical Bunkers to “Assure Continuation of US Government Plans” for such emergencies like this.
Between Rich and Powerful traitors and for sale at the right price Governmental sorts We the People are in real trouble.
Even IF this is a designer bio-weapon that kills mostly Asian people the Chinese Government will respond and again We the People will see the worst of it as our Rich and Leadership await the results in “safety”.
Praying for our Republic, between this virus and the likelihood we may vote in Socialism OR Bloomberg’s Fascism (is there Really a Difference to the folks under that Boot?) we are in trouble.
me2
There is a flaw in your sub terrain bio-weapon strong hold for the special people. They are the type that have to be taken care of, waited on by servants who have families.
It only takes “one” to be the carrier into the strong hold to spread gift which keeps on living.
You see it your way and I see it mine. We may not always agree but I do understand what you are saying. I see the world in a different view than you do.
Antique Collector that a single infected person would be their undoing would be an interesting data point unless the cure is already set aside? Gates as you well know has literally spend billions on vaccine development.
A interesting report you probably already read?
by Spiro Skouras
In this report we take an inside look at Event 201, which took place in NYC on October 18 2019. Event 201 is a high-level pandemic exercise hosted by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
This is extremely fascinating because this pandemic simulation exercise of coronavirus took place about 6 weeks before the first illness from the coronavirus was actually reported in Wuhan China!
That is one hell of a coincidence if you believe in that sort of thing. Another fascinating connection, is the fact that not only did the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation participate in and help set up the pandemic simulation of a coronavirus outbreak, but they just so happen to fund the group who owns the patent to the deadly coronavirus and are already working on a vaccine to solve the current crisis. Again an incredible coincidence…
We do tend to agree even if our terms might be different. You’d be a welcome neighbor.
I just read where Italy now has several towns on lock down due to the virus.
Stand my Ground
Re Africa
who.int/dg/speeches/detail/emergency-ministerial-meeting-on-covid-19-organized-by-the-african-union-and-the-africa-centres-for-disease-control-and-prevention
Two days ago the Director General of WHO spoke to the African Union’s ministerial meeting about COVID-19. He noted that it was only 52 days previously that a cluster of unknown pneumonia cases were reported out of China to WHO. It’s a short but informative read.
Make that yesterday.
Anony Mee
I have already read that one.
210 people have been investigated for COVID-10 in the WHO African region. 204 cases have been ruled out and six cases are still pending.
NOT one confirmed. Yet.
Stand,
Yeah, a little fishy that one. With over a million Chinese workers in Africa going and coming back to China for the New Year, and no cases? Riiiiiight!
Of course health care in the “Dark Continent” is next to non-existent. They probably don’t have any cases because they don’t have test kits.
Minerjim
I’d like to know, what a “test kit”, consists of.
I go to Doc, he sticks a long Q-Tip in my sinus, off to the lab, bingo, I got influenza type B.
It ain’t rocket science.
I read on ZH that only three states have the ability (test kits?) to test for the Virus at all? (ILL, CA, TX) This came to light in a news report after it was discovered someone that had visited HI came down with the Virus after leaving. The reporter asked about subsequent testing and was informed that the ability/kits weren’t available in HI.
Hi Stand My Ground
“I go to Doc, he sticks a long Q-Tip in my sinus, off to the lab, bingo, I got influenza type B.
It ain’t rocket science.”
That’s like watching a lift off at Cape Canaveral and saying, “Rocket science, seems easy enough.”
There are similarities, though was thinking that acoustics probably doesn’t play a part in viral diagnostics. Turn out, researchers at Mount Sinai have reported that chest CTs taken at certain times after onset of symptoms can be used to differentiate COVID-19.
CDC’s web pages dedicated to COVID-19 have links to extensive and detailed sites that list and describe all what’s included in the test kits and testing process.
Before you ask, in my checkered past I did a stint at a Navy weapons testing facility (real rocket science) as well as an assignment with the Army in virology. Seems to be a number of us on this site with suchlike patchwork quilt careers.
On the flu swabs. 50 to 70% effective, which means up to half the time they can get the diagnosis wrong.
Stand my Ground I already brought up the “Who Benefits” from crippling the most dangerous economic-military possible enemy of the USA. I still suspect some 3 letter agencies got too clever in their efforts to prevent China from threatening America’s power.
Who in the world is the Color Revolution specialists? Change the Leadership to someone that will “Play Ball” with us? Hong Kong recently? Trade war and food is our main trade tool with them so their food supplies get various unusual diseases like maybe Pig Ebola? Wheat Smut? Wheat is the #2 cereal crop of China. But the Chinese chose to buy wheat from Russia at a higher price than US offered… China chose to BUY the US Port Production using our Treasury Bills aka America’s credit card. AND bought meat from anybody at any price as Not to buy American.
Seems we Love Sanctions but China ignores them, I suspect this Corona Virus TARGETING Chinese was a very bad idea from uncontrolled 3 letter agencies efforts to support the 4th Generation warfare against China.
Not to sound as wacko but We the People will suffer the blowback from this poorly thought out Deep State problem solving effort. China’s ruling party must “save face” and nothing works better than revenge.
Pray for our republic, between Socialism getting well on it’s way to being legally voted in and traitors with in our Deep State 3 letter agencies accidently or worse deliberately damaging our country America is in Trouble.
Just saw a perfect picture at WRS. A Donkey with it’s “arm” over the Elephants shoulders both looking at a rising red sun with the Soviet symbols on it. The Donkey says to the Elephant “At least we will still be Millionaires”.
Democrat or Republican who really believes they care for what happens to We the People?
They only care for Power and the Money that comes from us taxpayers.
Thomas Jefferson would be doing the Dueling dance but the armed bodyguards of the gun grabbers would stop him for good.
Still praying for our Republic and preparing for Venezuela 2.0 American Edition
M2
They dont care, none of them care. If they could just toss the constitution they would.
We need term limits.
We meed to start local grass roots groups to field candidates who have pledged to enact term limits on house and senate and reform the way gov works period
I‘Ve got one of those pump sprayers. Just don’t use more than a 10 % bleach solution… else the innards may disintegrate. But that’s good enough for disinfecting…
Silly question:
A couple weeks ago I read several articles about how we were opening facilities on 4 military bases to house and quarantine coronavirus patients.
So why are they having such a hard time finding somewhere to house the Diamond Princess passengers? Trump had to step in and stop them from being sent to Anniston, AL. Did those 4 bases get filled up and someone forgot to tell us? Heck, one of them is right there in California. If I remember right they were setting up for about 250 per base. We only have 35 cases in the US so surely that base in California still has room for the (50?) cruise ship passengers without having to send them to another state.
Don’t we have a football stadium somewhere we can put them? (/sarc)
And what’s this I hear about 325 people being monitored in Michigan? Again with the self quarantine with phone calls from the health department to monitor them?
If this stuff was in a movie script it would never get green lit. Producers know their audiences would never buy this storyline. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far.
Regarding the 325 people from Michigan…. here is the quote from MDHHS “they have all be ASKED to self-quarantine at home to the best of their abilities.” This seems to be a great plan. Jeesh!
Self-quarantine at home to the best of their abilities? BOGUS!
Quarantine at all times with NO EXCEPTION!! Weld their doors shut like they do in China!
You know they’re making quick runs to the drive thru. Ordering pizza and ordering other food from Grub Hub and other delivery services. Maybe even taking Uber and Lyft rides.
And what about all their garbage they’re possibly contaminating and passing on to garbage men and homeless people picking through their garbage.
And what about their sewage? Prescription drugs end up back in the water supply after treatment so why wouldn’t COVID19? Even if you’re filtering drinking water, you could still end up cooking or bathing in COVID water.
This would be a good year to be up on the international space station.
Mom in the Mitten
Great idea, huh?
Hope you’re doing well.
Funny how there was nothing in our state, then whammy….
325. Just mild cases….yeah, okay
I had heard less than a dozen a week or two ago. And then BAM, a few hundred. What?? Really? All I can do at this point is to keep monitoring things and making my own judgements. And of course, I’ve checked and double checked my pantry stores.
Why can’t they have tracking like South Korea. Alerts sent to phones when you are getting close to a possibly infected person. It’s like it’s known there is going to be community spread so why even bother
well gold and silver are said to be the canary in the markets and the charts look like they are singing . If the virus wasn’t a real threat to supply lines ( never mind health ) the metals would not be behaving this way . my preps are topped off as much as possible and keeping a low profile.
Ok since nobody’s yapping..
How about the Markets????
Opened 1000 points down and is still over 800 down.
Interesting for sure.
NRP,
Like I said from the beginning of this COVID-19 outbreak, there’s a lot of things we can’t know for sure, but a devastating blow to the world’s economies is unavoidable. I suspect we ain’t seeing nothing yet, compared to where it hits bottom.
Some production shortfalls can be weathered. What is concerning to me is when, and how bad, the food production and delivery will be affected.
How long before we will be able to harvest our spring gardens?
Dennis;
Of all the things we “sort of” prepare for I see this Pandemic the worst of the worse.
Just about every aspect of lives will effected.
I hope like crazy this just “goes away” but there is absolutely zero chance of that.
I do realize most of the regulars here on MSB are fairly well set.
Those that visit and the lurkers….. Please take heed, get some things stocked up, a good Water Filter, a way to cook without electric and Nat Gas.
Look up Kens series of preparedness.
Please get some supplies.
A LOT of very smart people have a very VERY bad feeling about this.
I suggested this to a few people. They looked at me as though I had three heads. One actually said “what will they (whoever they might be) do to take care of us? I almost choked and said probably nothing. It’s going to be one holy mess.
Miss I Made It Myself;
Mighty close to the statement some make..
“If something happens I’ll just come to your place”
Another perfect reason for stronger OPSEC.
Yes NRP you’re absolutely right. They won’t like what they find waiting at my house. The gate will be locked and the house will be secure.
Dennis there is Bok Choy a cool weather plant that goes from seed planting to belly in 50-60 days. Makes a good stir-fry and kimchee.
How about some other quickly grown veggies folks?
me2,
Thanks. Never tried Bok Choy. May try it this year.
I’m blessed with an abundance of edible “weeds” like plantain, dandelion, and kudzu that produce from early spring thru late fall. Also quite a good supply of poke.
Dennis did you see my posting on Lambs Quarter? You might even have that.
Now just a little poaching, err varmint control you might be doing pretty well?
He is on the Throne, Romans 8:28 28And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
Your family is in my prayers
Dennis,
not to butt in on your conversation, but Dandelion, Kudzu and Poke all have strong medicinal properties. Those weeds are medicine!
Yes minerjim all he mentioned as well as Lambs Quarter are useful in dealing with the corona virus. Eating deep fried fast foods is NOT recommended for gut health (remember Supersize Me?) and right now we need all the health boosters we can get. God dropped a lot of healthy choices for us.
“Let food be your medicine, and medicine be your food.”. Hippocrates was an ancient Greek physician (460-377 BC), who is considered to be the father of modern medicine. Hippocrates also said: “IF you feed a cold, THEN you will have to starve a fever.” This advice is still quoted today, but with the IF and THEN left out.
Maybe that old guy was onto something? Aside from starving a fever? Might have been a bad translation eh?
Thus my constant suggestions to support your immune system the #1 way to fight even the corona virus by supporting your gut health (the basis of the immune system) with fermented foods like Kimchee?
This situation is a All Hands On Deck survival test. The basics like washing your hands before touching your face or anything you care for is more important than special herbal formulas NOT that I don’t want them also. BUT if can stop it before your immune system gets overwhelmed is that not:
An ounce of prevention is worth pounds of herbal cures? Maybe?
I want my friends to pass this test. I am concerned about Calirefugee because being both Asian and a Health Care worker who like myself will be working as long as the system can use our skills are working in a Hot Zone.
BTW minerjim did you happen on more information on that herb that saved those American Indians during the Spanish Flu? The herbal growing in your area ? Like what part did they use? How much? As food or tea or??
Needed information friend.
Me2,
The herb that a lot of the native tribes of the Great Basin used is called Lomatium Dissectum, also known as Fern-leaf Biscuit Root or desert parsley. Yes, looked it up on USDA plant registry, it grows in my county and around me.( Also found it in a USDA report from 1941 that was done on Indian medicinal plants of Nevada, by Percy Train) I also know because I looked at a bunch of different pictures of it and know I have seen it here. Blooms in April- May timeframe, so in a couple of months this Ol Miner will be taking a few field trips to locate this. I’ll let you know what I find.
Bok choi will bolt when planted between late april to mid july and sometimes a bit later. Cool season crop, very easy to grow if your timing is good. Very good eating, stir fried or made into a kimchee, not as good for kimchee as won bak or “napa cabbage” but still good
Kulafarmer does the heat or amount of sunlight cause this bolt? Not that I don’t want more seeds on hand for fall plantings and maybe greenhouse growing but I have space on my shady northern side of my home I could grow Bok Choy?
Thanks, and I am still jealous of your 365 days a year growing season and excellent fishing. I’ll think about you when I’m shoveling snow this Friday.
M2
Im honestly not sure, but without exception i have never gotten bak choi or wan bak to grow without bolting between those times, its pretty much everywhere too, maybe google it? I just read about it on Johnnys under notes on growing years ago, havent been buying from them, but they may still mention that
Kulafarmer I had tried to look it up, information actually seems to disagree with each other aside from the Bok Choy is “Panicking and going to seed now” comments.
I will give it the north side of my home where temperatures tend to stay lower and lots of shade. I like the healthy nature for good gut health with this current semi-emergency depending who you believe with Corona Virus. Maybe during the second or third wave of this disease I will have Bok Choy field reports for Zone 5 folks.
lomatium root tincture….highly antiviral. 1ccsl daily-bid.common use avail herbal out of Utah.
Just Sayin’ does everybody on this list understand medical shorthand?
What are the indications of use? What is the times you should NOT use it or contraindications?
Allergic responses possable to be concerned about? Anaphylaxis is nothing to take lightly?
Me2,
Go pick up Stephen Buhner’s book on the big A, “Herbal Antivirals”. All the information you seek is there. It is about $23 right now. Go through Ken’s link so he gets compensated a bit.
Dennis, NRP and all Lurkers..
Multiple ideas: think sprouting…! It will get you vegetables in 5-8 days… that is a quick harvest!
If you have a covered grow area, a hot bed or cold frame, can add a layer of bubble wrap tacked across the top to give 8 more degrees protection.and warmer grow space for frost tolerant veggies, like lettuces, turnip greens., radish.
Also.. radish can be planted in flower pot in house window. Fertilized and watered properly will give a crop in 25 days..sources say they are good baked.no window? get a daylight bulb and turn it on them…
for sprouting ..consider… things like sunflower seeds( bought for birds?,) the wild bird seed, some beans the white ones……, mung , blackeye peas are said to be good choices..
… also for extending and making feed more bioavailable. for chickens and pigs esp…. consider soaking grains overnight.
… wheat( untreated). generally one tablespoon of seed will make a quart of sprout veggies.. the result is gluten free and high in B vitamins. you tube a good resource to learn…
Other quick tips.
….. Be sure to purchase things to make treats. .
….. Sure, pick up hard candies, favorite cough drops.,vitamin c drops, zinc lozenges. favorite biscuit or pancake mixes IF you can or will use them.
”..Do not forget oils, almost every recipe requires some amount.
…. Use all the contents of a can of meat… that fat/tallow on the canned beef will make a good gravy.the stock surrounding the meat, if not used in your basic recipe, that stock will complete a gravy, probably will need another cup of water..
Think of your favorite snacks and making them at home., from basic supplies…. cookies, cakes , pies, standard popcorn with different flavors…? alot of recipes can be made with flour, sugar, butter, milk or water, cocoa, oatmeal and peanut butter, nuts,raisins, dry fruit…
Seasonings! as much variety as you will use or can eat…. will need those to change use of basic foods, like rice from a side, to a desert or to a main dish.
Just Sayin’;
You sure you don’t want to move to the Four Corners, we sure could use someone with your knowledge around here.
Not opposed to the area, I don’t do winter or HOT temps well anymore…am near land that generations have owned.Lots of spiritual family are here. DD is within 4 hours..
Travel is getting harder every year..as are most other things, I have been researching in my spare time, to do more with less and easier work loads for garden production., and many similar searches..
Those interested can plug in requests for information on DIY, or U tube and get good answers for different applications. these resources are free. The uninterested will never, can not be taught.
Much of what you see here i have begun to apply for us…
NRP,
Just checked in on YouTube…
My feed is literally flooded with short videos from the Official Chinese CGTV network. At least 40 of them. No other virus videos came up.
All praising the good job that China has done with their “containment “. Especially a bunch from WHO officials saying the world owes them their gratitude for their actions.
The Blitz if Bull S**t is upon us folks. Anyone else seen it?
Now also it looks like they’re getting ready to shift the blame to Iran.
Fourth Turning indeed…
Bill Jenkins Horse;
I don’t trust the Chinese to tells what’s going on….
Heck I don’t trust U-Tube or F-B or any of the “controlled” media.
Read the article that Ken did on that anonymous commenter.
That is what I believe, the words from the people that are in the middle of this crisis.
Did anyone else see there is a HUGE outbreak in a church in SK?
NRP,
I read Kens article and firmly believe the info he shared from a trusted, anonymous source. I have been following the stories out of SK and wondered if Ken’s source’s source was somehow tied into the outbreak among one or more congregations.
I also saw that the c d c now says more people from the ship tested positive. I wonder how many more Prople from the ship are infected (and now in all parts of the world).
But, obviously I am over-reacting since the w h o continues to tell us this is not a pandemic. Sigh.
NRP, I clicked on a video that was saying there are now 50 dead in Iran. It peaked my interest as that would definitely be an anomaly given the Information we have.
It wouldn’t play so I reloaded it. The page cleared and was flooded with the propaganda videos. Some were the feel good ones with people fighting the good fight against the virus. A bunch of them were from the WHO shills fawning over the Chinese government.
Then some were putting the heat on Iran and their inability to combat the outbreak.
Newspapers and MSM in the US.are only talking about politics. Very,very little about the virus.
So I can see why no one is hearing about what’s going on here. Most of the clueless sheep have already decided it’s not as bad as the flu because they heard it at the beginning. Now anything is those “crazy conspiracy theorists ” pushing false narratives.
(Actually heard that out of a neighbor’s mouth at the local gas station).
So yea,once again we are being treated like mushrooms. Being fed BS and kept in the dark IMO…
Bill Jenkins Horse;
“Now anything is those “crazy conspiracy theorists ” pushing false narratives.”
Honestly I have been called a LOT worse that that, and it rolls off my back like water.
I just looked again, Dow is off over 1000.
Someone out there is looking at the “real truth”, Watch the Stores and see what the stock in those stores do.
There is a reason this is hitting the Dow.
“crazy conspiracy theorists ” ??? Actually that sounds just fine, In the end, if I die with 600 rolls of TP in stock….. well Good for Me. Sure rather leave it to someone that actually need it…..
Story over on “The Burning Platform” (believe it was lifted from zero hedge) saying panic buying has emptied store shelves in Italy.
Dennis;
that is exactly what ‘they’ are trying to prevent here….
JMHO
Went to Costco yesterday for hopefully the last time out. Of all things, there were only 2 pallets of TP, and those were only half full. Is this because of the weekend shopping or because there are a few in this area who are as concerned as me. In looking at everyones’ carts, no one was as concerned as me, and I saw someone I know with only 3 things in his cart.
Hi Bill Jenkins Horse
WHO has been failing the people, and under the current leadership, it will fail more rapidly.
The Director-General of WHO is Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus was Ethopia’s Prime Minister of Health and then the Prime Minister of Foreign Affairs from 2005-2016….During his time in Ethopia, Dr Tedros under-served, under-reported, and under-stated several serious disease outbreaks. To be blunt, Dr Tedros has been accused of COVERING UP 3 CHOLERA EPIDEMICS.
The day that Dr Tedros was appointed to lead WHO, Trump cut foreign aid (the US contribed $4 billion until then). Think that wasn’t pre-planned??
At WHO, Dr Tedros appointed Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe as a goodwill ambassador. Then he appointed a Russian official to head the TB program. Both were HIGHLY controversial moves.
What would you bet that Dr Tedros is grossly under-reporting and under-stating the seriousness of COVID?
It’s going to get worse. How many container ships from China have not shipped? How long until the ramifications affect the rest of businesses? We’ll see.
With that said, the PPT (plunge protection team) of the US Government will no doubt do its best to prop up market dumps. Though one wonders how much of that incoming tide can they actually hold back…
Gold is up big time. Indicator of fear in the markets. Duh…
Hey I have an idea… why not the FED just print billions and billions and billions MOAR fiat money to keep it floating? Heck, it’s worked all these years, why not increase the size of the pump that’s keeping this insane balloon gassed up?
Hey, why not!
It worked for Zimbabwe didnt it,,,,
Ken;
I read somewhere it’s something like 1.6 million Shipping Containers that are sitting on the docks in China.
AND no food going either way.
This is NOT good my friends.
What me worry? Is this not why we Prepare?
Just got a bad feeling about his all going down.
PS: how’s the Pharmaceutical supply lines doing?
Well perhaps as those containers sit the virus dies off inside if contaminated. Then there will be the new production.
China has been printing new money to swap for the possible contaminated bills. That is old news of course. Big expense for gov.
Mrs. U. Most of those are incoming…to China….pork from smithfield..waiting to be processed, because they can do it cheaper in China… who knows what they have been sending us back… what was produced here, or there.. Just guess… Just sayin’ Xi has said he will end the global marketplace.. well , look like it s happening… now whether by design or not… I ask you to consider.. what is the first thing on does in a conflict… cut the supply! think and get ready for shortages , on anything that comes from Ch in a… directly or indirect….If you have money to buy that special purchase item that will help tmcgyver.. now is the time!..( just wish i did.)
Just Sayin’ while I remember tmcgyver talking about new and interesting stuff his Company was about to sell, I never saw a link or such to look at tmcgyver’s “stuff”.
A website suggestion please?
me2, I was hoping anyone interested would reach out to him, since he said it was “quiet at work”…and that he did objects commonly used in the” prepper” community. Was thinking he had a hand in manufacture of different kinds of gen sets.. from things posted months ago… nice that connections can be made thru this board…
I wouldn’t be surprised to see MOAR as a ticker symbol before long…
Seems the Goldman Sachs report had an impact. Here is interesting portion from
naturalgasintel.com/articles/121129-oil-prices-stocks-plunge-as-fear-spreads-alongside-new-coronavirus-cases
Begin quote: Goldman Sachs Commodities Research analysts wrote in a recent note that the world is “not out of the woods yet” when it comes to the coronavirus impacts. The outbreak has created the largest disruption to commodity-related activity in more than a decade, they said.
“Though the situation remains unclear, we note three key facts,” the Goldman team said. “One, their economy has yet to materially restart; two, dislocations are creating a backlog in global shipping; and three, Chinese policymakers are committed to minimizing this economic disruption through policy stimulus.”
The Goldman analysts noted “significant downside risks to commodity prices” based on near-term supply and demand fundamentals that “are severely out of balance in nearly every market.”
As for shipping activity, the timing of the lunar new year may have served to mask Covid-19’s “true impact” on international trade, according to Goldman.
“Coming as it did — right at the lunar new year — meant that international trade with China was at a seasonal low. The timing created a natural buffer in global supply chains — overseas manufacturers expected a sharp slowdown in Chinese industrial activity over this period and planned accordingly,” the Goldman analysts said. “Normally, ships leave just before the lunar new year, laden with finished products, and return with scrap/raw materials after the lunar new year is over.
“As a result, it is around this time that ships are beginning to arrive back into the Pacific basin to pick up cargo to return to the Atlantic basin with. However, with some ships unable to pick up their cargo in China, this is beginning to create surplus ships in the Pacific and a shortage of ships in the Atlantic, which can be seen in international freight rates.” End quote.
Looks like the market activity is playing catch up with actual industrial activity.
Stock market from another perspective: some analysts are blaming slump in heath and health tech stocks on possibility that Sanders might be Dem nominee.
dailywire.com/news/absolutely-no-doubt-money-analyst-points-to-bernie-as-stocks-tank
Seems that in any case the stock market is a fickle friend and an untrustworthy partner.
Closed out over 1000 down. Roughly 3 percent. Really not that big of a drop unless it continues. We’re due for a correction anyway. If it gets much below 10 percent it’s time to worry.
The markets being down is about time…I know we all have been looking and wondering why it has not happened until now. TPTB were just selling off to get out of the market and now the rest of the investors are catching up…and catching up to believe it is worse than they wanted to believe in China.
While I knew it was coming, and preparing for it…it is still scary to look forward to the implications of a depression and a pandemic.
Heres one im sure some of you can relate to,
What to do with tax refund?
Rubber for the truck? Vs supplies?
What thinks you?
Kula,
I would gauge how many more miles could be left on the tires against how many miles you drive in a month/year.
Unless you are concerned they won’t be available in a few months.
Supplies can always be consumed or bartered.
Maybe buy 2 tires and some supplies?
You know your situation…
BJH
Im definitely more concerned they wont be available, BFG comes from China, actually, almost ALL tires come from China, even a few you wouldnt think,
So, in a way they are a prep supply too, not critical, pretty much nothing is as i got stuff and some backups, but if we are looking at disruptions, especially long term disruptions, im not sure what would be worse, lack of tires, or lack of something else?
My first thought was more seeds.
I have seeds, but could definitely see a need for more if everything is disrupted from either sick folks or just a breakdown in systems.
Maintenance items should be bought when they are on sale/rebate. I’d find a quality tire, check the date code, and check the manufacturer country of origin. Stick to US or Japan sourced tires made in the most recent 18 months. Many tired are done in production runs so they might only be made every year or so.
Food stuff can be dollar cost averaged. Tires you might buy every 3+ years.
P
Been considering Nitto tires this time, from everything ive been reading they wear far longer than the BFGs ive been running, something changed with BFG and their tires dont wear as well anymore. Got do search more for USA made but havent had much luck.
I bought Hankook ten ply last time. They are holding up well on my rough rock road.
Kula,
FWIW, my friend who owns the quick lube places told me that there are manufacturers dates codes on tires. He figures more than likely the oldest tire manufacturer dates get sent to the Islands to be sold.
Maybe its worth knowing so you don’t get tires that have been in some warehouse for years.
Not firsthand knowledge just putting it out there…
Switched to Duratracs myself after being a BFG AT and BFG MT believer. May consider General AT3 if Duratracs get too expensive.
Gas mileage did suffer on the Duratracs vs car touring style tires but better than any other “truck” tire that doesnt look like a car tire (like a Steeltex).
Just ordered our fruit trees for the new “orchard” so we can get that started! Will be looking at adding a small greenhouse during the spring…next project after DH gets his hip replaced!
Ok Pio…where did you order them from? I have been looking at several sites which do not have the varieties I want.
Just saw a an NBC news cast from Milan, Italy. Correspondent said, got off plane, no one asked travel history of those coming in, and no temps being taken, no one in city wearing mask.
Mrs U
American Consulate Milan has stopped visa work temporarily, and there are reports that schools and offices have been closed in some communities.
diplopundit.net/2020/02/24/uscongen-milan-suspends-routine-visa-services-until-march-2-2020-covid19/
Fox News had a very different take on Milan than NBC. Fox showed people in mask and the store shelves almost bare. Interesting.
Just a thought. If budget allows consider paying property taxes early or maybe an extra year. Also consider your house insurance.
Was just reading the new Woodpile. Remus’s wife is terminal days or weeks estimated.
He said the Woodpile will go dark for a while afterwards. Understandable.
So many need prayers and comfort. Spiritual preparations are as important as N95 masks.
Get prepared friends, if your waiting until the Mobs get scared you’ll need a refresher of Ken’s excellent articles about “When it goes down all you have is all you have”. Or “last minute shopping trips”…
Not only the likely hood what you want is already grabbed, that folks might get violent about it AKA Black Friday BUT that you maybe getting exposed to the corona virus with the crowds.
Amazon is already “delaying” deliveries and survival food sites same sort of thing.
A situation doesn’t have to be REAL to get REAL BAD with panicked mobs.
Ordered from Augason on the 8th and still no ETA. They have my dollars though!
This past week we decided to take care of some business that we can’t seem to get family to do. We bought the burial plots (next to all of ours) so that we own them, and they are readily available. Each time I ask family about taking care of doing this, there is always something more important — eating out (a daily routine) or meeting friends. It isn’t a dreaded topic, it is a priority issues. Party time is much more important….(My parents are regressing, for real!) So, last week we decided that it was time that we, the adults, took care of things.
The greenhouse has been converted over to a raised bed grow-house, as of today! It looks very different now, without grow tables. But we have raised bed frames in there now, and we are excited to begin. We have to connect the propane heat and fill the boxes, then we’ll be ready to grow. I’ve already had my hands in soil, doing a few early transplants of early Springtime bulbs. Our early Spring bulbs are blooming and even the Rhubarbs are sending up shoots. Seed packets are out and I’ve been setting seeds in a few flats, getting ‘ready’. This is going to be a VERY important garden year for many of us. Right now, we have some fresh produce from the supermarket, but once it’s gone, we’ll have to wait for our own fresh veggies. This week is our ‘store cut off’ — we will not be buying any more ‘fresh’ produce from the supermarket until COVID is under control and better understood. Who knows WHO is handling the produce?
This morning was our final store-trip to buy additional dog food.
The other day I made a cherry pie with canned, pitted cherries that were put up in 2015….made my Mister happy.
OMG it is dead here today. Nothing is happening. No orders, no support calls, not even the air is moving. If it weren’t for a couple of hyper-kinetic salesmen making a mountain out of a molehill in a desperate attempt to stay relevant, there would be no communication with the outside world at all. I’ve checked the phone system twice. Our weekend buffer, usually good for a few dozen messages, was completely empty.
We make and sell things of value to the “prepper” community. This dip in action is unprecedented.
Tmcgyver
It will be ok, as soon as the shock wears off of the unprepared. Your office will be slammed hopefully, fingers crossed.
tmcgyver where can I see what your company has to offer?
Can’t buy what I know nothing about.
me2:
I work for a company that manufactures generators of many kinds, as well as power stations, power tools, lawn and chore equipment, and other neat stuff. Our own website is crummy and hardly used because the bulk of our manufacturing is under license for really large companies that have excellent websites. Our company is owned by a large conglomerate in China, which was recently bought out by a massive conglomerate in China.
I have to be careful because for both OPSEC and competitor reasons so forgive me while I dance a little. One of our most recognizable customers is Ford. Our gear can be purchased at Home Depot, Menards, Rural King, TSC, Amazon plus various online entities and dozens of other B&M retailers; sometimes we manufacture under their name; sometimes under our own name.
Make you a deal…. let me know which brands you might be considering and I’ll offer my opinion of it.
Last year at the National Hardware Show in Vegas, I was lucky enough to meet up with a long-time contributor to MSB. I was seriously overtired and probably left a dull impression. But we’ll be there again this year, in early May. If anyone happens to be in the Las Vegas area around that time, let me know; I always enjoy meeting people from online.
tmcgyver
I’m still lookin for a good propane generator, around that 8500 to 10,000 watt range
Advice?
Stand:
Ford 11050PBE is a good dual-fuel machine at a decent retail price point. It is a premium product over others in the segment. You’d have to spend 4 times the money to get anything better. Keep in mind it is a “portable class” generator, not meant for 24/7/365 grid replacement. We have decent inverters and parallel systems too, but that one has the most bang for your buck, I think. You’ll probably want to feed it from something larger than a 20 pound jug to prevent freeze up under continuous high load. Follow Ken’s AMZ link.
Thanks tmcgyver for the reply. Sad to say I have zero chance of ever being in Las Vegas unless forced to make a connection there.
Good luck friend. Things are getting real out here.
me2 – You aren’t missing much in Vegas; not my favorite place by a long shot. Assuming we are all still here in a functioning society, we should be at the lawn and garden show in Kentucky again this summer. That’s actually a pretty cool state.
tmcgyver
Not at all. Was delighted to make friends IRL with fellow MSBer. Managed to immediately mislay your contact info. If you still have mine please PM.
Does a heart good to get to know like-minded folks. Thing about those living the preparedness lifestyle, we do put our resources toward our priorities. Does us good, and keeps us from adding to the chaos of an emergent situation.
Hi Anony Mee!
It was pretty late, but as I recall, you were planning to send me your contact info, from the info on my card. Hahaha I figured maybe you weren’t too sure about this guy…. I sent a forwarding request to Ken. Great to hear from you.
Ken
I looked on here for ratio of, Chlorine pool shock, 73% calcium hypochlorite, for the proper mix rate to achieve 5.25% solution, couldn’t find it.
Can you help me out here?
@ Stand my Ground,
I’ve been intending to do this for awhile now… your comment is motivating me to get-er-done. That is, to go through the exercise of validating via a chlorine test kit and mixture ratios by way of experimentation. There are rules-of-thumb out there on the internet for this, which I have noted in my own personal documentation. But I need to verify via scientific testing to assure safe levels for water purification. I have “pool shock” stored, but have not posted on it because I don’t want to just regurgitate online information without testing for sure myself when it comes to safety.
I’ll bump it up on my “to do” list.
Ken
Thank you. And THANK YOU, for all the work you do to keep us MSB Patriots infromed.
God Bless you
Yes Please
That would be awesome, Ken, and much appreciated. I’ve had it on my list to make sure I know what to do with the pool shock I have if SHTF, but haven’t gotten around to it (been too busy canning, dehydrating, and planting, topping off our deep pantry).
Gloomy Cold Monday Evening Ponderings by Red Dog Master;
Has anyone thought about shooting their TV when they see Political Ads where some douchebag politician spouts off about his/her support of the 2nd Amendment while wearing camo and holding a double barrel shottie, often there is a youngster in camo in the ad…
GRRRRRRRRR!
So I have stopped even trying to figure out whether or not the .gov SCUM are even attempting to do their freakin jobs. So far all of the reports that I read state that the CDC SCUM have only tested under a 1,000 people in this country for ncov-19… That no local state authorities are testing even suspected cases….
So here is the problem – How can we tell if our local communities have gone hot like the local Northern Italian Communities that are now on lock down???
My solution for now is that I have been listening to my County Fire and EMS dispatch now for several years it is broadcasted on a 2M repeater county wide. They will make calls like “Personal Injury” “Fall From a Ladder” “Possible Stroke” ect…. Then run dispatch for the local unit.
This weekend I was listening but working outside in the garden kids come to tell me the radio was going crazy all morning. I sat down from 12:00 PM to 1PM break out a log sheet to make entries. Got five calls in a row which is completely unusual for a Sunday Afternoon.
Call outs for EMS are as Follows:
1. Headache
2. General Illness
3. Breathing Difficulty
4 Breathing Difficulty
5. General Illness.
Normally at most we get 1 call per hour for these type of dispatches. I know I am just being paranoid But I will be picking random times once or twice a day and start logging entries. Before I draw any conclusions.
I did not have a chance today too busy working on things. I feel this will be the only way to gather local intelligence we cant rely on .gov SCUM will not be telling us the truth until it is too late.
As far as the breathing difficulty goes I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on that complaint. So many of the people calling 911 do so because they are suit proof. Can’t pay for the ambulance and with no income or poor prospects of being able to pay they never even get a bill. They tend to use it as a free taxi service and a call for difficult breathing will get a faster response time then one for a complaint of back pain. I’ve had people call for an ambulance for a 50 mile trip to the hospital then sign themselves out as soon as they get to the ER. Clueless as to the fact that when they do that the next ambulance may have an hour response time for their neighbor having a heart attack.
Other times they will call so they don’t have to wait in the lobby. 911 puts them directly into the ER. They tend to be very upset when we’d get them in, triage them, and send them to the lobby to join the rest of the crowd. All though I never did so I suspected some of my peers would give them a very therapeutic “wait” time in the lobby.
This was reported on Reuters earlier today and since been taken down but The Daily Telegraph still has the article up. Here is an excerpt:
The World Health Organisation (WHO) no longer has a process for declaring a pandemic, but the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak remains an international emergency, a spokesman says. ….. “There is no official category (for a pandemic),” WHO spokesman Tarik Jasarevic said.
So I guess we won’t be hearing the word “pandemic” being declared by the Who as phase 6 in their protocols no longer exists.
Contempt of court charge up-date
Lawyer filed “writ of prejudice” and constitutional violations of my !st,4th, 5th and 8th constitutional rights.
I filed, constitutional violations of my !st,4th, 5th and 8th constitutional rights.
I’m gonna leave a lot out here. Writ of prejudice, granted. contempt of court, dropped, and there is suppose to be a reprimand put in his file. I doubt it.
I represented myself, I’m not intimated by these liberal assholes. I get an out of county Judge, for now on. I’m to un-popular in this county to ever get a fair hearing by the local Judges
They have NO idea, how much contempt I have for Superior Court.
They do now….
me
What would you have done?
SMG, I’m pretty sure that what we say on this site falls under the term of “chatter”. Certainly we are not under the same grouping as the fascists and the islamic extremists but enough talk on this site of civil war has likely placed it on a list to be monitored by whatever 3 letter agencies find us interesting. Even Dennis thinks his property has been mapped by the “census” bureau. I don’t think he’s being paranoid.
I remember an idiot on another site a few years ago boasting about how his “group” had dynamite and plans to blow up all of the bridges into his county if the SHTF. That boast likely put him on the list of possible domestic terrorists. Do you think a folder wasn’t opened on him?
You already know that “they” know who you are. I’m glad that you are fighting for your constitutional rights and so far, winning. Some thoughts though are better kept to themselves. We already know how easy it is to plant evidence and you might not prevail in the future. I just don’t think that it is a good idea to throw gas on the fire and the statement about contempt for the court could turn up in a folder before a judge in superior court.
As for me, my folder says old guy with COPD, knows a lot about medicine, Owns his home, advocates for moderation, has a few guns and would use them if invaded by an outside power but would not take up arms against his country. I don’t think I rate very high on the threat level.
me
Very good response. A bit late for me, I’m already screwed.
For others, me, is correct
We’ll stock market is down, and the White House is asking Congress for over a Billion dollars of emergency funds to help fight “potential” pandemic. Mrs recommended we make an additional/unscheduled Costco run this weekend which is probably not a bad idea. Should be interesting to see how many of the grasshoppers out there start to wake up and see what is happening.
In other news this left wing hi taxation state of mine is bringing a bill forward on Thursday to add a 35% additional tax on all ammunition sales. The same loon tried passing a 50% tax about two years ago but was luckily shot down. But hey I’m sure when the criminals and whack jobs go to legally pick up ammo to go do illegal things they may pause and reevaluate their decisions because of the additional tax..(insert raw sarcasm here).
Daybell is a publisher and author who has written several books loosely based on the theology of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, with a focus on doomsday scenarios. He also posted podcasts for an online organization aimed at preparing church members for biblical end times. Vallow participated in some of the podcasts.
Don’t purchase any of his books, don’t fund this person flight from Justice.
Want to elaborate? Who is Vallow? I’m not overly religious but I do admire the LDS thoughts on preparing for bad times.
I have been following this case since the news broke out just before Christmas. The rabbit hole is deep. If anyone purchases said books by Daybell, or Rowe, you’re basically feeding very very bad and dangerous people. Lori Vallow (currently Chad Daybells wife) is currently in a Hawaiian corrections facility waiting extradition to Idaho. Their beliefs are “taylored” around the LDS Faith. Lori Vallow’s brother shot and killed her 4th husband Charles Vallow. Chads wife mysteriously died in her sleep. 14 or 17 days later; Chad and Lori got married in Hawaii. The media has dubbed her the “doomsday mom” the term “Prepper” pops up… Keep in mind; these two people are NOT preppers, and give the community a very bad name. All they have done is take peoples money – PERIOD. If you search online for a reporter – Justin Lum <— you will learn more. Loris bond is set at a cool 5 million dollars. In the wake of all this her two children are missing JJ and Tylee… Oh, and there's more; She (Lori) believes she is a transcended being and has visited 21 other planets etc..but, this group isn't about solving this case, please, if you are searching for prep books, please do your research on this couple before you submit any cash to purchase his books. (Julie Rowe is another author that Chad endorsed, or whatever…) I'm shocked that it has taken since December for this topic to pop up in the group. – Yes, Im here, I just don't chat much anymore. Preps are decent… Please everyone, do not stop prepping. If anything, ramp them up even more; tell your family every day that you love them.
thanks for clarifying
I think there is an older child also asking her to say where the brother and sister are. Sad Sad
Just saw this on ZH. Looking for direct source.
US CDC says COVID-19 epidemic is rapidly evolving and expanding, warning that a vaccine could be ready in a year, and Americans should prepare for possible spreads in communities.
“Now is the time for businesses, hospitals, communities, and schools to begin preparing to respond to coronavirus.”
Additionally, HHS Secretary Alex Azar says at Senate panel hearing that the U.S. doesn’t have enough stockpiles of masks and ventilators to fight the coronavirus and that’s one reason the Trump administration is seeking $2.5b in funding.
A&O
I can’t say that I follow what WHO or the CDC pressers offer to the general public.
The drug article I posted about several days ago is in the pipeline as a treatment: remdesivir (from Gilead).
NY Post article “Massachusetts biotech firm releases potential coronavirus vaccine for human testing ” from Feb 25 says:
“Moderna, Inc., of Cambridge, announced on Monday that it released its first batch of mRNA-1273 to treat humans for the virus.
Vials have been shipped to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health, in Bethesda, Md. The experimental vaccine will now be tested in humans, the Wall Street Journal reported.
The institute will begin a clinical trial of about 20 to 25 healthy volunteers by the end of April to determine whether two doses of the shot are safe and induce an immune response likely to safeguard participants from infection, NIAID director Anthony Fauci told the Journal.”
Further testing would then occur, and then regulatory procedures….it’s a gene-based therapy, so there’s that too.
We are experiencing unprecedented difficult times in a number of ways. Best to self-isolate and practice being a germaphobe.
For those interested there is a new documentary on Netflix. The Pharmacist, he is in Louisiana and went to war in early years on OxyContin as he saw the destruction of the communities coming. I do not have Netflix but saw this on the Solari Report site.
Reply to Me2 regarding cultivation of Bok Choi/Pak choi/Napa cabbage:
These were all grown during the frost free days in the coastal valleys in California during the years I grew up there working on the farms of my relatives. ( during the winter months, the farms cultivated cauliflower, Brussels sprouts and broccoli.). The soil was coastal alluvial loam with a good bit of sand mixed in with it. I do not remember the pH of the soil. These crops were grown in the low-lying coastal flood plains from Santa Cruz to the North to Ventura Plains to the South. ( range may have gone further. These are the regions I knew and met commercial growers in Cali.)
Weather was long days with frequent summer fog which would burn off by noon on most days and fog would roll back in at 5-ish pm. Temps rarely got above 85 on most summer days. This pattern of weather was also prime for growing strawberries for commercial market. Both my grandparents raised crops commercially after WW-2 in these regions.
If I were in Texas or in Dennis’s neck of the woods, I would probably build an artificial shade cloth “greenhouse” to keep the temps lower during the peak hours of sunlight during Summer. All the veggies mentioned tend to get “burned” by the sun if the fog burns off and the temps get too high. Hot, inland valleys of California were where most of the pit fruits like peaches, nectarines, plums were grown. The very hot regions around Bakersfield were where many of the melons and table grapes came from. ( seems like the high sugar content fruits require/thrive in long days of high daytime temperature. 95 to 110 degrees F.)
Good luck in raising Bok Choi. I like the spicy kick it adds to a batch of pickled vegetables. My pickling solution is 2 Tablespoons vinegar, 1 Tablespoon sugar, ! Tablespoon of non-iodized salt to 1 cup of clean, boiled water. 10+ drops of Tabasco Sauce. Garlic is optional for the Japanese. Koreans add lots of garlic.
Thanks Calirefugee! So from what I’ve read and Kulafarmer and your comments that my spring planting will be fine in the normal garden, mid summer crop I need to carpet smother part of the woody northern side of my place where shade and my favorite hot weather chair awaits (right now covered in snow) and then the fall crop back into the garden.
Thanks! I’ve had little luck growing head cabbage, will try again this year as buying cabbage for 5 gallon buckets of kimchee is pricy. BUT Bok Choy I planted last spring was easy.
More pickling in my future I see. Thanks again.
U.S. Government is deliberately not testing for COVID-19, and, they are counting those sick from SARS-CoV-2 as seasonal flu patients. Only those COVID-19 patients, which cannot be swept under the rug, due to media attention, or, officially declared, are counted.
No test kits are available and the testing guidelines from the CDC prevent testing to take place, unless the patient is somehow connected to a China contact source.
The Government is deliberately keeping themselves officially in the dark for manipulation of the populace, while they get ready and collect up what supplies they can.
The economy is done. All the prime movers have been given their time to move their assets around as best they can…and the market may drop to where it wants.
I suggest using the on-line sites, which allow YOU to see all the calls being answered by your Fire Department Medical responders in real time..with the reason for the dispatch…and where they patient was taken. If the dispatches start to go nuts…for medical issues to hospitals..it could be informing you about your locality as it becomes impacted.
We hear this “flu” season is abnormally bad..this year. But, if you cannot tell the difference between the common flu and Covid-19…it’s all just the “flu.”
This will be the biggest disaster of our lives.
Ision
The question is – will it be an infection rate of 40% to 70% with a mortality rate of 5% to 10%?
If so, what populations in this country will suffer the most – high population urban centers with poor public hygiene like SF? Who will suffer the most due to supply problems – high population centers like Manhattan? What population will be affected the most – anyone with breathing challenges due to smoking, smog, industrial contamination, … ?
I see a better outcome for we, the prepared and more isolated.
This Winter’s “flu season” which has shown to be caused from several different influenza strains makes me wonder if there is another strain that is not being reported (Covid). “Official” records state that more than 100 pediatric deaths have occurred during this flu season so far.
“Va Dept of Health said that Virginia reports three flu-related child deaths each year on average and that the department has investigated 61 flu outbreaks during the season. There have also been 773 pneumonia and influenza-associated deaths reported in Virginia during the 2019-20 flu season.”
Virginia has suffered 3 pediatric deaths from “flu” already.
One 15 year old girl had “flu” symptoms and went to the ER, was discharged with basic instructions for her “typical” flu symptoms. She went into cardiac arrest while her mother was bathing her. Her twin sister attempted to revive her. She had no underlying medical conditions — a perfectly healthy teenager….
A 7-yr old boy in southwestern VA recently died after being diagnosed with flu and strep. He died after being released from the ER. Another child who was otherwise perfectly healthy.
These stories truly break my heart.
Fox23, dated Jan 9: “This year’s flu season has been especially deadly for children, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said, with 27 children dying from flu complications nationwide through the end of December.
That is the highest number of child deaths from influenza at this point in any season in the past 16 years, the CDC says.
The number of deaths for children under age 18 is more than twice the number of 2017-2018 pediatric deaths from influenza. That flu season was considered one of the worst on record with 187 children dead from influenza by the end of the season.”
(Note that this was written January 9!)
What is not being disclosed to the general public?
Looks like normalcy bias is taking a punch in the gut. People that gave me funny looks, and some openly laughed, when I was wearing surgical gloves at the supermarket a month ago, are beginning to lose their minds now that the markets are taking a dip.
Members of my own family laughed that I had more food than will fit in my pantry.
But no, they still have to go out to eat, go to events like car shows with millions of other people, and they can’t be inconvenienced to not socialize with their extended friend circles.
Their motto is you can’t live your life in fear. You only live once (YOLO). To that I respond, looking both ways before crossing the street isn’t fear. I don’t have to cross the street right this instant, I can wait till after the cars pass.
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t give him the will to live.
Grits, I really like your comment in context with the rest of what you said, “Their motto is you can’t live your life in fear. You only live once (YOLO). To that I respond, looking both ways before crossing the street isn’t fear. I don’t have to cross the street right this instant, I can wait till after the cars pass.”
So many people while referencing preparedness (for example) use the words “worry about”, “fear”, etc, with regards to some topics that I (and others) write and talk about — which we all discuss on a semi-regular basis. As though we are all afraid, worried to death, fearful, shivering scared, jumpy freaked out weirdos (some exaggeration there, but you get the idea)…
It is COMMON SENSE to take the actions that we as preparedness-minded people do… I am not afraid. I do not live in fear or worry. I am not fearful. I am happy. I smell the roses. I live life to the fullest extent that I can. Yet, some feel that we’re all fearful. Nope. We’re just sensible. Big difference. Look both ways before crossing the street. Wait until it’s safe. What a concept.
Correction,
You should live everyday to the utmost..
You only “Die” once
True, that. For me, being prepared is what makes me NOT fearful.
What are the odds of them passing some sort of medical red flag law when things get bad? Extra food for those folks that report certain kind of people (sick, hoarders, militia, preppers) to officials.
Going this weekend to spend what little extra I have on more food, water, and hygiene supplies. Anyone know what beans are best for sprouting?
My local Harbor Freight store has the N95 mask with valve for $1.99. I thought it was a decent price considering what’s going on.
Our local menards has sold out of the cheaper n95 masks now only have 3m for $22 for 10. Places often forgotten about are construction supply houses. They usually carry masks and nitrile gloves and might not be as picked over.
Don’t overlook auto parts stores. They also carry n95 masks and gloves.
And my wife favorite stores Hobby Lobby and Michael’s. But don’t buy there, they are too high.
Grits..(maybe this is a silly question, but..)
is an N95 mask from an auto parts store truly the same (quality re virus) as one bought at a medical store? Will it truly do the same job? thks
Jane Foxe
Auto parts do sell various “dust” masks but they also sell n95 masks. N95 is a NIOSH regulated safety rating. So basically n95 is n95. So just make sure it’s n95 or better.
Grits..thanks
Grits/Just Sayin’ — I see photos of folks wearing these masks. Some seem to fit snuggly against face (in my mind therefore not allowing germs in). Some do not. Is it a matter of “brand name n95”, or how much one pays..or are there a whack of fakes out there which basically do no good?
I know, Grits, you said that as long as it was labelled n95, likely all good. For the uninformed (me) is there anyway to check/know if what one is considering purchasing will do the job?
Also, have read somewhere that each mask is only good for a few hours, then it is contaminated with moisture from breath etc…? any idea on how long wearing one is doing some good?
Grits/Just Sayin’ — another question…some of the n95 masks seem to have breathing vents in middle, some do not. (of course suspect ones without are cheaper). Are these two versions likely truly both n95, or work much same?
Heres some input from using these things for the last 35 years,,,
The 3m type “dust mask” type N95 as the now call “respirators”
Were for years called just that, dust mask and the N95 had nothing to do with “virus protection”
They were a dust mask for industrial applications and construction, tradesman, cabinet makers etc.
Thats what they were, thats what they are. A dust mask.
The “surgical mask” that is the slightly looser fitting (depending on how big the face is wearing it) is a mask to protect everybody else from whatever the wearer expells,
Those may well be for virus protection,
of everybody from the one wearing it,
I cant even find the 3m or any other variety of dust mask for actual work where i need them, (i have a bunch plus alternatives but was looking anyway when picking up stuff for work) because all these boinkers think its going to save them from getting sick, never mind almost none of them have a clue about proper decon, sanitation etc,,,,,,,
THEY WILL ALL STILL GET SICK UNLESS THEY ARE LIVING IN A BUBBLE OR ARE INCREDIBLY LUCKY!!!!
So many misconceptions, so much bad information, sooooo much willful ignorance as well.
Again,,,
N95
Refers to percentage of a particle size in microns that the mask will stop.
Look it all up!
Do an internet search…….
Prepper Dan
At the check out you may see a box of simple protective glasses the kind used for when you are using your weed eater. If they are there grab a few for you and whom ever in your household.
That’s definitely something you don’t want to forget. I ended up getting everyone in my house some safety goggles.
Thanks for the comment Antique Collector
As Kulafarmer put it so well it’s a filter mask not magic. Having one on your face doesn’t automatically “Save” you from viruses. It has to fit you properly or the air will go around the mask into your lungs.
That little metal nose piece is so you can adjust it to fit better. Masks come in various sizes because well WE come in various sizes. A mask for my big mouth will not fit my nieces petite face.
Also if there is any facial hair breaking your seal WELL then what is the filter value of your beard? Because again air takes the easy way in. Lose the facial hair guys. It will grown back if your still alive in two years (given the Spanish Flu’s history records).
Know how to remove that contaminated mask and gloves OR you will contaminate yourself with the very bug your trying to stop.
Wash your Hands, Wash your Hands, Wash your Hands! Aside from someone coughing corona virus right into your face your HANDS are the #1 vector to give you a “Gift”.
No filter mask or herbal will help if you keep touching dirty contaminated surfaces and touch your face…. It’s not magic, it’s germ theory.
I’ve seen photos in lots of articles of people wearing either surgical or n95 masks. I’m wondering where they’re getting all these masks. They know they’re disposable right? You can’t wear the same one today that you wore to work yesterday. If people are so adamant about being out and among other people they’re going to need fresh masks every time they go out. If you’re not going to isolate you’re going to need hundreds if not thousands of masks per person before this “event” is over.
Grits
When do you think is a reasonable time to self quarantine? Do you set an end goal date for supplies on hand to run low or is it a mileage thing for you? My Family is discussing the mileage range. Wait for confirmed cases or word of mouth about cases?
Muskrat Man
I’m retired so I’m pretty much almost always in self quarantine. I normally only go out once or twice a month to resupply. Once this “event” popped up on the radar I just bumped up my alert level to where I wear gloves when going out to resupply. At this point I may even add a mask, but I’m still undecided since I shop at odd hours and avoid close contact with people and use self checkout where possible.
Not sure when I plan to stop wearing the gloves. Waiting for an all-clear seems unlikely. Waiting for them to stop talking about it doesn’t sound good either when they were so reluctant to start talking about it to begin with. I’m sure the media can’t wait to move on to the next subject…
In reality, the only reasonable end-date goal would be, when it’s over.
GRIT
Appreciate the insight I never even thought about supplying at off hours to avoid contact. I agree they can’t wait to move onto the next subject as to not draw attention to deficiencies in response on their part. Best wishes MM
Wonder if you can microwave the mask to sterilize? Don’t have metal do they?
Actually yeah they have a metal strip to form a seal over the bridge of the nose. ☹️
They can’t get wet either, so bleach is out. Plus you’d have to soak them if it were possible so you could kill the particles “in” the filter.
Possibly bake in the oven at 200°, but I don’t know if heating up the metal of the nose piece might damage the mask.
Disposable, any time a mask is taken off it needs to be discarded properly.
There are reusable masks, but they also use disposable filters and you have to train yourself on the proper cleaning and maintenance of the mask unit after every use.
Ohh, I have 2 unopened boxes so I did not know. Guess an oven treated one would be better than nothing if it was all a person had.
heard someone/dr say… would spray inside lightly with colloidal silver.
Doh! I forgot. The oven won’t work either. It would probably melt the rubber band straps. 🤦♂️ Unless you have the type that have cloth tie straps? 🤔
This is the reason I haven’t dipped into my mask supply yet. Avoiding people is key right now. I’ll break out the masks when people become less avoidable, like when stores are only open for a few hours a day. 😷
Try direct sun light for 6 or more hrs should do the trick. Look it up.
A&O
I’m cut and pasting a possible reason the WHO is avoiding the Pandemic call.
The World Bank launched a $425 million 2017 catastrophe bond issue supporting its Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF). There are two tranches of PEF bonds outstanding, expected to mature in July, and this means investors of the bonds will collect massive profits if the bonds aren’t triggered or will lose everything if the Covid-19 outbreak continues to escalate.
It’s becoming increasingly apparent why the World Health Organization (WHO) has had a difficult time calling Covid-19 outbreak a “pandemic,” this is because it would cause both bonds to trigger, effectively wiping out bondholders.
The World Bank issued two tranches of PEF bonds worth $425 million in 2017. Bondholders have seen two years of above-average returns with no concern of virus outbreaks around the world that would trigger even the slightest hint both bonds would go into default, until now.
Class A bonds were issued in the amount of $225 million, with a payout of 6.9% annually. The bonds default if a pandemic is identified, and deaths reach over 2,500 in one particular country with an additional 20 deaths in another, the prospectus states.
Class B bonds were issued in the amount of $95 million, with a payout of 11.5% annually but had a much lower trigger level of deaths, versus Class A, hence the high yield.
Bloomberg spoke with several investors who own the bonds. The unidentified people said the bonds aren’t quoted on public exchanges.
If the bonds are triggered, it would be determined by Boston-based private company AIR Worldwide Corporation.
The investors said Class B bonds are trading at 60 cents and 70 cents on the dollar, mostly because of the Covid-19 outbreak.
The investor stressed the quoting of the bond isn’t public information and wanted to remain anonymous, adding that the large tranche, Class A is trading a little under face value.
The bonds were issued to support the World Bank’s PEF, and would only be triggered if certain criteria of a pandemic were met. If triggered, the bondholders would lose their money, the funds would be transferred to developing countries to fight the virus. To date, the bonds have yet to be triggered, as it’s increasingly becoming obvious that the WHO may stall calling Covid-19 outbreak a “pandemic” until after the bonds mature in July.
Who says BIG Money doesn’t make the rules?
I sure was looking forward to that trip up the coast but am now thinking that the window has shut. Wife has an eye doc appointment today and then it will be time to hunker in. I’ll make one last trip out for more hand sanitizer for convenience sake and will try to find a few of the plastic bags that you can use to bake in. Any mail coming in will go into the bag and then into the oven to sterilize it. Most of my bills are debited from my account so as long as the banks don’t crash we should be okay there. Market down 1900 points since yesterday morning. wonder how low it can go. I do a bit of selling on eBay and I guess I’ll be suspending that in the immediate future also.
For those with concerns about bleach it is not to late to order an MSR SE200. Regular salt, water and 12 volts will make fresh bleach. I wouldn’t be too surprised to see online deliveries taking a big hit in the near future, certainly slowing way down if not stopping altogether. Ken’s advertiser, Ready Made Resources carries the in the water filter section
From info wars – it’s always about the money!
HERE ARE 425 MILLION REASONS WHY WHO REFUSES TO CALL THE COVID-19 OUTBREAK A PANDEMIC
The bonds were issued to support the World Bank’s PEF, and would only be triggered if certain criteria of a pandemic were met. If triggered, the bondholders would lose their money, the funds would be transferred to developing countries to fight the virus.
The World Bank launched a $425 million 2017 catastrophe bond issue supporting its Pandemic Emergency Financing Facility (PEF). There are two tranches of PEF bonds outstanding, expected to mature in July, and this means investors of the bonds will collect massive profits if the bonds aren’t triggered or will lose everything if the Covid-19 outbreak continues to escalate. It’s becoming increasingly apparent why the World Health Organization (WHO) has had a difficult time calling Covid-19 outbreak a “pandemic,” this is because it would cause both bonds to trigger, effectively wiping out bondholders.
Wanna know what a real good Doc is like? Known him for 30yrs.
Called today, spoke with doc, about my concerns of med shortages from China. I’m on a med I can not live without. I wanted 2yr supply, now.
No hesitation at all, OK. I’ll have to order them in. My Doc sells meds at wholesale prices. Guess what? Made in America.! Go figure.!!
Friday, I’ll be covered for 2 yrs.
YABBA DABBA DOOOO
Stand, awesome! I’m So happy for you! That must be such a relief to know you will have your meds.
Take a look over at Worldometer on the corona virus statistics. They give their sources. Looked under age statistics. At this point in time, I have about a 4% chance of succumbing to this virus for a man my age. Lots of factors here. This virus is going to be a game-changer for sure. All I can do is pray, prep, and trust God.
Veteran…….if you are out there, hope you are doing ok.
Miner J
Wouldnt it be peachy if it only really was a problem in population centers!
…Democrat districts.
Minerjim
If you have your dowsing crystal with you when you have to travers into the unknown void, which we refer to as the stores. You should know which direction your positive is and your negative will flow from the crystal when you hold it.
Here are the parameters you will need:
Is this building contaminated with CV-19(corona virus 19)?
Are any of the products carrying cv-19 shedding?
In the last # of days have there been, or presently cv-19 shoppers within this building? * you select the number of days you want to go back on this request*
If you receive a “positive” on your crystal for the following questions the building is to be avoided all together. Since you have worked with dowsing and are not an amateur wanted to share a bit of knowledge. My short cut for the virus is cv-19 makes it easier to work with on questions.
Minerjim
Last question I forgot to add last evening do to nightly chores.
Are there any employees or staff that are carriers or have been exposed to the cv-19?
Lastly this parameter.
Set these questions for each shopping trip with no restrictions.
Yay! I wish all doctors had that integrity.
I’m an ‘merican living in ‘merica. I’ve been traveling, including internationally, on and off since I first heard this was a problem in early December.
I know people (students) who live all over China, including the quarantine zone. They are all upper middle class or richer as you can’t afford to go to a top ten university in ‘merica. They get their news from outside the country (via VPN) because they know the Chinese news is propaganda.
I’m washing my hands more. Crap that comes in the mail I deal with outside of the house instead of throwing it on the kitchen counter like many do. I carry hand sanitizer. I pay special attention to mucus membranes on me. I make sure I don’t touch my face or ears. I avoid public sickies. Same thing I always do.
If I were very young or very old and sick already I’d worry more. If I were a geriatric taking my pills from a pez dispenser I’d fret. For the people that are already only still alive by the miracles of modern medicine… I’d be scared.
We live in the greatest country on Earth. We have the best doctors in the world. We have the smartest and most determined people in the world looking into it. Like most of you I have prepared fairly well. I’m not going to worry about it any more than I already have.
I kind of hope the economy shits itself. I have a hankering for a new motorhome and could use a deal.
Pretty much what it is Pinky,,,
If people bothered to be proactive and use an oz of common sense, they would not be panicking.
Watch though, itll get worse, much much worse.
We have polititians all over the place, they are pretty much all useless bufoons, ALL OF THEM!
Lots and lots and lots of bad info, mis info, and BS
Has anyone tried predator urine on their property before? I am considering coyote urine on one side of our property.
Mrs. U;
here is a link to what I use to keep “most” critters out, Urinal Cakes. I set one in a used Tuna Can unwrap it about 1/4 and set it around the Garden.
Don’t see why they wont work well for your use.
They smell like Moth Balls.
Urinal Cakes
Response to Mrs U:
Coyote urine may attract more coyotes if the coyote urine is from a breeding female ( in estrus.). To you and me, these locations are where an animal relieves itself. To dogs and other pack animals it is like reading a newspaper. Will this be used as a sign to “Keep Away” for the coyotes?
Using urine as a deterrent or as a lure is tricky business. You may start by contacting your local Agricultural Extension and they may get you in touch with a local biologist. I have used dog and cat urine on fenceposts along property lines to observe behavior among pack hunters like coyotes. ( used doggy wee pads and old clumps of cat litter.).
Tmcgyver
We could call ☎ 1 8 0 0 t m c g y v r.
Picking on you a little this day, as I have been out spraying the road way.
If we go into lock down guess I will be able to catch up on chores that have required my attention. 🛠
Yes, right after I read this blog & all the postings on it, more break time, then work time.
Saw there was a shooting at Coors in Milwaukee
I hope my good Buddy Weiser is okay.
Joe c – Your buddy’s buds Miller and Coors had a rough day. How about a nice German Hefe?
…and no doubt (duh) it was the fault of “the gun”. At least that’s how it will be spinned. Fortunately, my guns don’t shoot by themselves! (Must be special guns). (/sarc)
If memory serves, Cain rose up and slew Able with a rock, let’s ban them next
DB Cooper
Was thinking of you yesterday.
Good to see you post.
I didn’t realize you were Ohio.
I saw this morning Ohio made their announcements as in the form of Michigan.
Almost the same MO. That dang cruise ship and China travelers.
Joe
It’s disgusting how they keep us in the dark until they can’t any longer
Have a feeling the U S is going to be changing to red as fast as China did on the tracking map
The subject of bleach.
FWTB said last night, looking over my purchase of bleach.
This is will not suffice.
Bleach is bleach, right? That’s what all the sites say. Get stocks of bleach to disinfect for said virus.
As per nurse Amy, there is a Germicidal Bleach and the common household disinfectant bleach.
Input?
Regular bleach is 4-5%, the germ stuff is 6.75%, if I recall correctly
According to Google Fu normal bleach percentage is around 5% Clorox Ultra is 8%
1-10 ratio bleach to water for ten minutes wet exposure works in my Hospital and I am pretty sure it’s not premium bleach.
If your concerned that your bleach is weak then change the ratio to maybe 1 part bleach to 8 parts water? If the bleach is really old like as barely smells of bleach well…..
Shelf life of bleach is 6 months “Highly Effective” and 9 months fine for “home use” (Their terms not mine) Some sites say up to a year if stored in a cool location.
Maybe I need to look at Nurse Amy (The Patriot Nurse?) YouTube sometime.
me2
No not Patriot Nurse.
A Dr. Bones and nurse Amy web site.
Ken,
This article was for eliminating surface viruses as the Corona.
Not for our everyday bleach use as of water purification.
And as TMac posted this Germicidal Bleach has a higher bleach content.
Was just wondering if it were true or hype.
Or up regular bleach use and not dilute for surfaces,
not water consumption.
I didn’t mean just water purification…
I meant for a “normal everyday” bleach use.
Joe c,
The article that I referenced includes suggested bleach-water ratios for disinfecting surfaces (not drinking water purification).
Disinfectant Bleach-Water Ratio
If you want to know about (water purification with bleach), refer to the following article,
“Bleach-Water Ratio for Drinking Water”
Hope that helps you…
The bleach bottle will tell you the % on the label. Regular Chlorox and generic Wally World is 6%. You can use that as your base.
We used to be able to get the 8.25% in our area, but for the last 2 years we have only been able to find 6%. So just change the ratio to fit 6%.
They’ve apparently changed back to 6% with their most recent formulas. Not too much difference when it comes to water purification. I cover the differences in my referenced articles.
Ken
Yes, thanks.
I wasn’t very clear to you or me2, typing in between chores and argumentative critters.
Only place I get peace….in the barn.
Hopefully this will hep with your concern,
Disinfectant Bleach-Water Ratio
As Ken’s link suggests, most disinfectants work by being put on wet and staying wet for anywhere from 2 to 10 minutes, then being air dried or wiped down. It is NOT just a single wipe/swipe and you are good. Make sure to read the directions….sometimes those pre-moistened wipes will not leave enough product to stay wet for the correct amount of time.
Wife just got home from work and tells me she was telling a coworker yesterday how I’m giving her the latest news about the virus 🦠
Coworker comes in today and says “your husband is right nobody is going to be ready for this / stay home for 2 weeks “. My wife just smiled and said we can and told she better go to the store on her way home
And to continue with Bliz…..
“Intentional virus”
These years of 2021 and 2030 are short coming.
The Globalists Agenda.
Do the Financial Institutions, the township tax assessor’s care that I’m/you’re unemployed because of docked shipping containers that hold vital material for production?, not being able to get parts for my/your farm equipment, with spring planting and having no future income?
Will they give me/you a break? Heed my/our desperation?Forgive my mortgage? Will my/our tax assessor forgive my/our summer land taxes? Or will he just continue to hike them?
Nah
Both entities are just wanting/expecting that bankruptcy, foreclosure.
Do they care that you/me will now reside in any $hittown of like resemblance of a Portland, San Fran, Detroit, Chicago?
Hell, no. That’s what their ALL hoping for. And all that now .gov controlled farmland…. will be for the greater good
What is yours, IS for the Globalists.
President Trump press conference;
We’re from the Gov’t, don’t worry we got this, and we are to help.
Nothing to see here, move a long.
Not one bit of info that could or will help anybody, except, lets throw billions of dollar at this, so ll the thieves can get more money.!!
I’m soooo sick of this shit.!!
My 3 cents worth,
This is the very first time I have not trusted the man I voted for and would stand beside.
I listened to most it President Trumps speech/conference.
I believe he is one of the best Presidents EVER and has done so much for America and the world.
For me I listened between the lines, one time he would say “we got this covered” next he would say for Schools, people, others to be prepared.
NEVER has there ever been a cercomstance where the President has sent such a mixed message.
Honestly I’m more concerned now than yesterday.
BUT just my opinion.
You all do as you need….
Im going to level 4.
PS: Blue said “get mote Dog Food & TP”
PS: Safeway has Strawberries on sale for $2.oo a pound.
I agree NRP.
It’s curious, but just after the press briefing I found an article about the first case of community spread COVID-19 in California. As in, the patient has had no travel to any infected country, nor had any contact with anyone who has. This is a case that comes directly from the community with no known source.
I posted a link earlier, but it’s hung up in Ken’s link filter. 😬😆
Grits:
Is it not courageous, I have never heard a Presidential Conference talking about “a flu thing”. Remember Ebloi, Swine flu, SARS, and all the rest???
Why now, Why the Beer-Virus????
Sorry I don’t believe a single word from the .gov about this.
Call me a Wacko fine… BUT there are millions upon millions of people in the US of A that also are scared to death.
Hence. I’m shutting down. Going to get 3 more rolls of TP and 5 pounds of dog food and thats it
I said curious, not courageous. 😝
NRP – You nailed it… reading between the lines. You also said you listened to it, I watched it, and couldn’t figure out President Trumps odd body language. At some points when he was standing behind other speakers, he seemed to be silently mouthing answers the speakers were giving, as if it had all been rehearsed. His speaking wasn’t natural either, somewhat halting; eyes darting around. Something is not right. He normally rocks that podium in total command; he seemed lost there tonight; hustled back behind the curtain fairly quickly too.
I thought it seemed VERY odd as well. Very stilted and uncomfortable, not his normal self.
They are “Managing” the release of information. “Hoping” the markets don’t crash. Good luck with that…
Maybe he had to take a dump
He was just in india
F’n-A Kulafarmer… Turmeric and Ghee overload. It totally explains the unusually deep orange facial tone with screaming bowel grimace. You’re wicked smart with that Occam’s Razor ain’t ya?
TMac
Any news from the far east?
Kula:
Nada mucho Jefe. I get prints and doc review from “the girls” over there, hard to tell if they are in office or telecommuting. And I don’t want to ask, because their sh*t is monitored and it will cause trouble. No word on who, exactly, is producing what or where. VN is cranking for a couple of our customers, not sure what’s happening due north of there.
NRP and all,
I did not get to watch with sound (was in the office with no way to do anything but watch and read the highlights as Fox added headlines under the picture). I thought his body language looked all wrong, and his expression. Both when speaking and when standing behind others. He did not look sincere or comfortable to me at all – and this man is used to being in front of a crowd.
I am used to him being very forthright, even blunt. This looked forced. And we are “very,very prepared” even as we struggle to find care facilities for the infected people we took off the cruise ship? And we don’t have working test kits for all but a few states? It makes no sense.
I also felt worse after he finished than before. Was he trying to look extra-presidential? Was he uncomfortable with the science? Was he not being his usually brutally honest self and so out of sorts with the message?
Did anyone else get a different impression?
I wonder how Amazon is fairing with shipping to and fro China shut down ???
Just food for thought
I just got my 2 day delivery from Amazon of boot laces! I guess I am ordering the wrong things to notice a difference. Or maybe my laces were made in the USA!
Everyone take a moment.
Do a search for
“community spread”
It’s being reported in every newspaper and news source.
New case, with no known source.
The patient has not been out of the country and has not been in contact with any known carriers of the disease.
This is a community spread case in California. The patient could have contracted it anywhere.
Does this mean it is officially among us?
I knew this would happen when they started allowing people to self quarantine! Someone obviously went out!
Just some comments re the President’s speech.
He just got back from India and probably has some time lag – zapps most people’s energy for a while. Not the usual spark given his schedule and the serious situation – very sobering.
He stated that thinks the virus spread could go either way, better or worse. But, he was optimistic about the 15 cases being treated.
He stated that the annual flu took 26 thousand to 69 thousand lives a year. Even China does not come up to these numbers of deaths from the COV yet.
He said it is a wait and see situation that he feels they are prepared for as much as possible.
He said there will be some economic impact but did not acknowledge the disastrous policies of the past in allowing most industrial production to be sent off shore.
I think he was being as honest as he could be, given the information available about a new virus. Tempering his concerns was necessary to avoid panic and violence – many animals in our society would like nothing more than an excuse to run wild.
hermit us
I totally agree with your post. I was gonna post the exact same thing, but yours is better.
Thank You
Every time there’s a shooting somewhere it fires up the gun control debate…below if food for thought from a friend of mine in upper MI
A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:
There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin …. Allow me to restate that number: 600,000! Over the last several months, Wisconsin ‘s hunters became the eighth largest army in the world. (That’s more men under arms than in Iran . More than France and Germany combined.) These men, deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin , to hunt with firearms, and NO ONE WAS KILLED.
That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan ‘s 700,000 hunters, ALL OF WHOM HAVE RETURNED HOME SAFELY.
Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It’s millions more.
The Point? America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower! Hunting… it’s not just a way to fill the freezer. It’s a matter of national security.