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DJ5280,
Not for sure, but sure appeared to be. Significant number of whites throwing objects at police, numerous black masks with the “anarchists” emblem emblazoned on them. Saw an internet post (can’t recall the site) giving a list of equipment and supplies needed if folks wanted to support antifa’s “fight for justice for Floyd George”. I know that antifa and anarchists are separate entities (not necessarily separate ideology), but you seldom see one without the other (answer to the same masters)
Farmgirl –
Maybe they should consider a name change. ….
tmcgyver – Okay, you’re not even trying with that one, lol.
Anony Mee – If I’d been drinking something when I read that, it would have streamed out my nose.
Dennis
I agree with everything you said, and I understand that ‘looters gonna loot’. It’s just that when I was seeing some of the livestreams, it seemed like Target represented something that needed to be defiled and destroyed. Maybe it was just an implied narrative to justify the looting. Interesting, too, that there was infrastructure in place to support the protesters – didn’t feel spontaneous to me, and some of that would have required roll-out ready support.
I watched way too much of the live stuff, just trying to understand the various mindsets of the people involved. Interesting study of, I was going to say humanity, but some of what I saw was just pure predator behavior. I’m trying to develop a more realistic view of people in general, and lose a bit of the ‘everyone has some good hidden in there somewhere’. Maybe they do, but if the dark part is operating I need to learn to engage accordingly.
Farmgirl:
There is just something about Target stores that makes my skin crawl. There is a pervasive air of something hideously ostentatious in those places. They seem sterile and contrived with the blinding combo of snow white and that seizure inducing tweaked Pantone red everywhere. The whole presentation just screams “suburban white folks”….. or possibly ‘Karen’ headquarters.
Honestly, were I prone to acts of senseless stupid violence and destruction…. I’d probably enjoy a vicarious thrill destroying one of those places with a bat and hammer.
I enjoyed the old Targets; Dayton-Hudson days. Sometime around 15 years ago the gender-benders took over and made them all fabulous. Haven’t set foot in one since.
tmcgyver
I don’t remember the last time I was in a Target either. To get to one, I’d have to drive over an hour away, and there just isn’t anything of value for me there. Now, if they start going after Farm and Fleet stores, that would just be heartbreaking.
Went to a Target only a couple of times in my life. Did not like their selections or prices. They sell a lot of the same cheap made in China crap as Wally World but priced higher. Yeah there politics have chased me away. I’m voting with my bucks ( or the few of them that I have).
I think the farm stores are safe. If they loot the garden tools then that means they should probably use them. They can’t do that as it interferes with their TV time watching TV on their looted TV.
tmcgyver, I agree. I when I lived down south many years ago, I shopped at Target because it was what I could afford and I could get a decent selection. I quit shopping at Target when they said they preferred you to not have your Constitutional rights….don’t carry in their stores.
Rarely shopped in a Target. Too much ‘red’ everywhere. And I totally quit when they started allowing men in the women’s bathroom.
DJ5280
Target is a French owned company, reason I refuse to shop there unless given no other choices. Last time was to pick up masks for dh before the world went nuts, so he would have something for doctors appointments. Otherwise I no longer need them and they do not require our money.
Farmgirl,
Animosity towards the businesses being hit? No.
Looting is for the loot. It has no connection to punishing the people they are protesting, it is nothing more than taking advantage of the situation for personal enrichment.
The people doing the looting are the same ones who will steal anything that they think they can get away with……everyday, day in, day out.
What may have started as a legitimate protest gave cover and anonymity to the ne-er do well opportunists and the antifa/anarchist types to do their foul deeds.
Just like everybody in the community is not participating in the protests, not everybody in the protests are participating in the burning, looting, and destruction.
Interesting article over on American Thinker today about how left-governed cities are the usual focus of race rioting.
americanthinker.com/blog/2020/05/why_are_democrat_enclaves_such_hotbeds_of_racism.html
Dennis
That whole pile o turds makes me glad i live on this little quarantined rock in the middle of the ocean,,,
Kula:
“That whole pile o turds”….. Dammit! Why can’t I coalesce and express my thoughts so succinctly, accurately and on-point as you do every time?
Well, I can report that inflated beef prices have hit So Cal. Before we left the BOL yesterday a neighbor had gone into the nearest town and told me top sirloin was up to $13 lb. there.
So, I went to my trusted butcher shop here in suburbia a little while ago, and ground beef that was selling for $4.50/lb four weeks ago is selling for $8 lb today (regular ground chuck). Bit more than a 75% increase in about 4 weeks.
There was also a story on late night local news here last night about meat production plants here in So Cal now having sick workers, and unions fighting to close plants for cleanings and inspections.
Glad to have a good supply of meat in both locations, but thinking I may need to work in more non-meat meals into rotation.
Farmgirl
Because Sears and Kmart have closed.
Nothing says justice like a big screen t.v.!
So Cal Gal
That’s happening here in the midwest, too, although maybe not quite as high. Lean ground chuck was $10/lb for grass fed, which is usually higher than the regular stuff. I do believe there’s a concerted effort by TPTB to move us plebes away from good quality animal protein. Insects are all the rage now. /s Good thing you stocked up!
Farmgirl,
I’m going to have to pass on the alternative protein sources; ie: mysterious plant-based patties and tony critter selections (aka soylent green and insects). I know you’re kidding, we’ll sort of, the push toward plant based items has been huge and really obvious this past year or so.
I think it’s time for me to find an old article of Ken’s where we talked about recipes and add-ins for beans and rice.
I just refuse to pay $8/lb for plain old ground chuck. I’m just not doing it. (Said while stomping my foot down resolutely 😉 )
So Cal Gal
Any room at your rural place for a steer or two?
Farmgirl,
No, it’s mountainous, high altitude, small community, no pasture areas and we are not there full time.
Farmgirl –
Just as an anecdote, I voluntarily quit eating meat a little more than 30 years ago. I haven’t suffered any malnutrition; nor have I turned into a wuss, a eunuch, a soi boi, or a democrat. My last sick day was in 1995. Both of my kids, now adults, are vegetarian since birth with no obvious ill-effects.
To each; their own. I would never dare to proselytize for a particular lifestyle choice… But if it comes down to a meat shortage; or just exorbitant prices; I think I can safely assure that you will survive it. Beans and rice are good insurance; but they do get boring. There are thousands of great recipes online where meat is either optional, or not needed at all.
tmcgyver
I hear you on the vegetarian thing. Funny thing, I was a vegetarian for 14 years, 3 of those years vegan, until I went into adrenal system failure. Saw a naturopath and a chinese acupuncturist to get myself whole — really long slogg. The naturopath informed me that if I didn’t get some meat, red meat, in my system in short order I would probably end up in the hospital.
That first burger was a real challenge. Went to Whole Foods and got the cleanest meat I could, came home and cooked it up. Really hated the smell! My kids didn’t like it either, and wouldn’t touch it! But I ate it, and starting including red meat in my diet more frequently, and started to feel better. Evidently, I needed the taurine, which nothing else would provide.
I tend to eat in accordance with what feels good to my body to eat. Still make a mean vegetarian chili (happy to share the recipe!). I did feel really good for a while on a vegetarian diet, and I still eat quite a few meatless meals. When we ate veg, our diet was extremely varied and healthy. My oldest son’s favorite veggie is still kale. So I hear you, and share your live and let live approach. I just really don’t want to eat crickets!
Taurine is available in pill/capsule form. Some are able to go without meat. Others aren’t. I personally need a bit from time to time, but mostly poultry and fish. I really like pasta or rice with veggies but for me to keep my weight down meat and veggies does it for me.
There is an interesting book about the lectins in foods and blood types and eating for your blood type. Author Dr. Peter J. D Adamo
For instance type O’s do well with meat, A’s are veggie, B’s are a blend and do ok with dairy. AO another blend. He gives the history of blood types also. AB is only around 1000 years old or so. In the distant future all will be vegan.
Mrs. U
I remember that book, but I read it a long time ago. I’m an O, so am supposed to have meat. Grains, not so much, but I seem to do okay with sprouted grains, like Ezekial bread, and also sourdough. I was never a good pill taker, although I had to get better at it when I recovered from Lyme’s using Stephen Buehner’s protocol. Guess I’d rather eat some meat from time to time than take a pill, but I’d take it if I had to.
tmcgyver
P.S. I haven’t tried going without red meat for a while, but am noticing I’m not craving it so much. It’s been over 20 years since that adrenal episode, and I do notice I’m drifting more toward non-meat food. I got really good at cooking vegetarian style, and will probably keep doing more of them. If the food system gets co-opted in a big way, small producers like me might just get squeezed out by regs anyway.
Farmgirl
Regs
Are why Kulafarmer is now just a homesteader with a big garden
Kulafarmer
*Sigh* I know. The thought keeps crossing my mind. I love gardening most of all. It’s where I get to spend the least amount of time. Have to pay the bills, though. Someday, that’ll be me, too.
Farmgirl, yes it is hitting here too even among the farmers with beef to sell. Fortunately, we were able to hookup a friend looking for beef with another friend who has grass fed ground beef at $4.50 lb. the other guy he was talking to wanted $7.75 lb for his beef…and he will get it because it is too hard to find even in our cattle area. The processors are booking beef for slaughter beyond September 2021 right now. Their schedules are filled entirely for beef and pork…..not sure about lamb. I had to book my yet unborn piglets for end of September 2021 to make sure I have a date.
DAMedinNY
That’s actually a good price ($4.50) for grass-fed ground – lucky friend! Mine was 5.50 last year, 6.00 this year for grass fed Jersey. I could have asked a lot more, but just didn’t feel right about raising the price beyond that. 2021?! Maybe I better call mine and check about next spring…
Farmgirl, I know! And the meat is so much better than store bought meat! We, also, did not feel right raising our prices during this onslaught against animal protein. We are very small and have more control over pricing and even the processing of our meat will be easier to manage when time comes.
We also have several beef producing friends who have contracted their supply and won’t be having as much on the hoof in the future. What they retain will supply their families and extremely close friends. At some point, the people wanting large animal meat protein will require the knowledge and ability to process this meat if they want to share in the bounty.
Next on the menu–
Locusts from Africa and Asia.
Interesting info. This chicken was smaller than an old layer. Fit in a small round granite ware pan. We will see if Publix responds.
The problem with prices is they never seem to go back down after the fact!
You are so right, Mrs. U… always up, rarely if ever back down. Sigh.
Ya know, maybe Target stores wouldn’t be looted quite as much if they changed it’s name
😦
Mrs. U –
The same goes for punitive tariffs too. The President hit China goods with a 25% tariff, which got immediately passed on to consumers. The market priced it in. Production moved to countries that border China. There are no more tariffs, but the 25% spiff remains, because the market adapted to it so well.
All Trump accomplished in this case was a 25% boost to the bottom line of every Chinese company that move their production lines across a border to appease the US government.
Yay! We sure showed them.
Um, not so fast…
tmcgyver, I am not sure about that statement. In addition, we had a major trade imbalance and theft of property that also needed to be addressed. No one likes pulling the band aid off, but someone has to do it.
Farmgirl, tomatoes are self pollinating. For the most part, pollen never leaves the flower it starts in. Shaking the flowers (or a bumble-bee “buzzing” the flowers) releases the pollen to the inside of the yellow anther cone. Few varieties will actually release pollen outward, which is why you seldom see natural hybridization.
Under the right conditions pollen can be released, but that takes either an open flower form (most modern varieties, even heirlooms, have a closed flower structure) or the flower being torn apart. Bumblebees will sometimes do that to get to the pollen. It also takes a stigma on the receiving flower which extends beyond the anther cone. Again, most modern varieties the stigma is entirely enclosed by the anther cone.
As I understand it, air movement isn’t for pollination but to prevent tomato diseases.
People paid much more attention to their food, where it came from, etc., and if a company had low standards they usually lost their business. PEOPLE controlled the quality rather than the .gov controlling the quality. Yes, to a certain point anything goes, but if you kill your customers it will get around and no one will buy your product. So quality control was a huge deal with legitimate companies.
Looking at the information available, it’s interesting to see how quality dropped almost immediately in every field when the government set “minimum” standards. Most of (I won’t say all) the private companies had better quality control standards than the government mandated.
I had this conversation earlier–government interference most often reflected an existing “movement” among the public that the pols wanted to take advantage of. Whether that movement was the space race, car safety, or race relations, the government created “legislation” to take control of an existing movement and bring money into their coffers. Food safety was no different.
Lauren
Yes, knew they are self-pollinating and easy to save seeds from for that reason. I just remember learning that the wind is what helps them self-pollinate, and that would have to be imitated in a greenhouse. So shaking the flowers would do that same thing I guess. Or attracting bumblebees! 😉
Does anyone think that the day is coming when you can be refused employment for not having a tracking/tracing App?
Yes
Oh yeah and of course some states sooner rather than later. This snowball is gaining speed faster than I could ever imagine.
Personally,
I will refuse just on the principal of that whole thing.
Yep. Also coming: you may not go out in public if you haven’t had the COVID-19 immunization.
CR, yes. We just don’t know the when.
CR
I’m already nervous for the day employers try and make this rushed vaccine they’re working on mandatory as well
Is this America?
Employment is the least of it, you will not e able to purchase or sell anything, and they may try wuhan style lockdowns… in cities.. if you won’t have anything they will lock/weld in your apartment without anything but what you have and forget about you til it stinks and the stink is gone.
So sit still little children don’t say anything to anyone..it might hurt someone’s feelings.. . ( sarc off)
i ran into lady today who has just awakened offered to help- info , ideas, etc… but have not rec’d message from her yet.
Southern Exposure Seed Exchange just had an article on pruning tomatoes. Said to prune indeterminate ones but do not prune determinate or it will affect yield.
CR-
Of course this will happen. Almost every state in the union has “at-will” employment. Boss tells you to wear a mask, or have an app, or whatever – and you don’t comply – buh-bye. We just had to post yet another CA-EDD special Covid-19 emergency guideline thing at work. About 100 square feet of wall space is covered by employment law notices.
Screw it all! I formed a single member LLC and refused to be anyone’s ’employee’ ever again. I’m a long-term contractor now. Life is so much simpler for all parties involved.
tmcgyver;
Hmmm, that’s a good approach I’d never thought of. It used to be that there were some good advantages to being an employee: health benefits, retirement pension, a fair amount of employment security. Nowadays most of those don’t exist, so you might as well be a contractor and not have to follow their goofy rules so much.
Chipmunk,
Regardless, you’ll end up following them one way or another.
Even if you some how elude the chip; it appears that sooner or later, facial recognition could possibly be coming to a town near you.
CR
True, that.
Ken
I know you wrote a post just a little while ago about organizing freezer storage, and it was really helpful. Do you have anything in the archives about general organizing for homesteaders/preppers? Something along the lines of taking a disorganized heap of supplies and creating an efficient, ordered storage system.
Asking for a friend. 🙂
I think Minneapolis/St. Paul is done for. Two precinct buildings overrun, a third one being targeted. Firefighters being attacked. Don’t know where the Guard is, but it’s probably gotten too big for them anyway. Your island looks pretty good, Kula.
Farmgirl,
We are a world away from that BS.
That said, open season is a term that comes to mind.
Kulafarmer
The thought occurred to me last night, that we might start seeing a lot of Minneapolis area transplants here in the not so distant future. On the order of ‘I know…let’s move to Wisconsin! It’s peaceful and nice in the country there.’ I’d say the winters would get them, but they’re already used to that. Once that happens, there goes the neighborhood.
That is what has happened here.
Kalifornia transplants. They move here then they start with the same crap that made them leave that liberal paradise.
Just mind blowing how ignorant some people are.
Its already ruined here. All their buzz words cant fix the damage they have done.
I watch the show Buying Hawaii, I think that is the name, the prices WOW. Notice most are sold with the furniture too. Guess shipping over is ex pen sive!
Beautiful state.
Mrs U
A LOT of the homes you see being sold with furniture are vacation rentals / short term rentals. The counties have been cracking down on this and raising tax rates on these properties because they are screwing up the housing market for rentals. Absentee owners who rent short term for elevated prices with whatevercrap furniture so they dont care.
Furniture is expensive everywhere, shipping is expensive too, but not the main reason these units are furnished.
“It’s not about politics! Don’t say it’s about politics!” I actually heard someone say this once. Leaving CA because of the crime, the prisons, the homelessness, the high taxes, high prices, etc, etc, etc, but keeping her politics because “It’s not about politics!”
Farmgirl
Anywhere near Milwaukee? Week of August 16 promises to be lively.
Anony Mee
Milwaukee is a little over 3 hours away from me. DNC convention?
Mrs.U, yes, you should call them out on it. It was most likely a culled layer from who knows where because currently anything is okay as long as it doesn’t “harm” you. The measures are supposed to be temporary, but I am sure they will stay in place as we seem to be rapidly moving towards the U.N. objectives regarding what is acceptable for food and the changes they want us to accept.
Find a local farmer who is raising meat chickens and have them sell you several of their extrasand put them up for the year. Make those connections now. Even before, they could inject up to 10 percent solution into the meat, which could be water or anything not harmful to you (flavor enhancers?)
Was wrong about the hydroponics. Its an aquaponics now. 2weeks being taught by so many mentor on a daily basis. Water level, pump and flow and the best thing is, I learn soo many new things. Not only about the system but also the mentors themselves. All three are around 60s. All hot headed. Haha.. Nevermind. Doing it myself while they pour in their expertise is the best experience I will ever get. Level 2 now.
Moonair,
So called “experts” telling me how its done, is exactly why i usually figure stuff out on my own along with extensive reading and research.
Its like the media, all have their own slant and agenda.
And I thought u-tube is neutral. Well, I actually did learn from these masters (apart from what not to do based on what the results were) but since I’m still considered new in the company, I’ll let others interpret it themselves. Been working alone, mostly for almost six months and now I’m relearning how to communicate and I just love the outdoors… You got to.
moonair, Youtube is owned by Goggle. It will never be neutral again.
moonair , try “Rob Bobs ” you tube, Aussie…channel has a lot of info there..
JS,
Thanks for the heads up. Infos on the web is still free and alive and time to learn, for my task is not yet finished.
And I heard one of them mumbling something like… “he should be a contractor…” what’s that supposed to mean eh?
Been reading the comments here, on beef prices, etc. Butchering a whole steer would be a LOT of beef. I could see a couple of families getting together and doing one. I’ve never butchered beef. I have done several pigs and countless deer. Winter time would be the best, obviously.
Some of the cuts of beef might be different, but burger is burger. I’d imagine the tender parts of beef are very similar to deer or hogs. Buying one on the hoof could be done, getting it ready for the freezer, wow.
I know that many cuts of beef include the bone. That’s a really bad idea for deer. We’re set up well for deer. Beef would require more heavy duty tools; lifting, cutting, saws, etc. Just thinking it through. You know, just in case it’s the ONLY option. I hope we never get there.
Plainsmedic
As a past raiser of the bovine for the freezer camp(JSayin’ terminology), would recommend it is better for the trained local butcher to do your beef.
If you want quality, they age the beef for 30 days in a walk in freezer/cooler before the cutting process begins. Also they will not mix the beef with the hanging of deer at the same time in the same walk in cooler. Try to miss deer season for your area.
A whole beef is enough for two households for about 1 year.
Here is a general idea on how a beef is estimated-live weight then hanging weight. We will say a beef weighs 1000lbs live, hanging will drop it down to roughly 700lbs/less, then depending on hanging time it will drop again. If you have it totally deboned, you will be looking at 500lbs +/- of meat. Our beef breed was black bally (Angus/Hereford mix).
My calculation could be off as it has been a few years since we did this for ourselves, friends and family.
Can tell you in our household when we split a beef with the baby sister it took us while to go through the meat. We had more hamburger on our side over top & bottom round steaks, since it was only the two of us. Sister’s household could vary from 4 or more bodies to feed and went through the beef quicker. It smells and taste differently than store purchased beef-fyi
AC,
Isn’t summer a good time to butcher a beef? The guy I grow hay for swears by this, and judging frtom the beef he gave us, I think he’s on to something. What do you think?
Minerjim
We had ours dispatched during just about any month but not during deer season. Any time our family friend & butcher could fit us into his schedule.
Miss having him do our meat, but he had to finally retire. Arthritis did his fingers & hands in after all those years. Parents met him in 1964/65 when he was learning, then he opened his own shop. Dad did not care what he charged, you could eat off the floors in his butcher shop everything was so spotless. It was the same way until he retired, he is sorely missed by this past ranch family.
Last place did our beef gave us the wrong beef back, nasty!! Heard stories afterwards that they would slip the good beef like ours into their meat market cases and would pass off the less quality meat back to the small time rancher. No way to prove it was not yours after the cut & wrap. DH was going to do a blood test as we had the mom of the steer we sent to the butcher shop/grocery store. Since there were no other butchers available in our area. We sold off the balance of the stock to another rancher.
Know your butcher and get references on their work & check out their place of business when they are not expecting you.
If they are connect to a grocery store, make sure they are not affiliated with a closed herd beef rancher. jic
Minerjim
Missed answering the actual question.
YES,,I believe summer time has an effect on the meat from the heat, the blood could possible flow more to keep them cooled down.
Just an assumption on my part as we had only one beef done during the summer time. BIL said it was the best beef yet.
Minerjim, I’m not AC, but I raised grass fed lambs for some years. Fattening requires lots of sugar in the grass and that’s what grass does best in the early summer and late spring, make sugar (actually in health-threatening quantities for our horses!). We always butchered in early summer before the grass “went over”. Completely out of sync with conventional lamb market. The grass may have a resurgence in the fall, but the solar energy is no match for producing gain as that spring/early summer time frame. We could not sustain our sheep year round on homegrown feed because we lack irrigation, and couldn’t plow and plant suitable forages year round. That meant purchased inputs, which pretty much doomed the operation. The feed store and the butcher took care of any glimmer of profit.
AC, Dogpatch,
We are getting our meat in a month. We trade hay for meat. Our friend is in NM right now, but has a good butcher. In the future, when our canning/butchering kitchen is done, I want to do the butchering myself. Need to get a walk in cooler setup first, I like to age all meat as long as possible. I’ve butchered deer, antelope, elk, and buffalo myself. How hard can a beef be, especially if you take it in quarters? Of course I won’t have all those “fancy” names on the packages, just “hamburger, stew meat, hind quarter and breakfast steak, and backstrap”. LOL. These days I find myself following the KISS principle more and more. Thanks for the advice you two.
AC, Dogpatch, Minerjim, others,
Thanks for the input on butchering beef. My winter time reference was due to not having a walk-in cooler/freezer etc. I would have no qualms about butchering beef. I simply realize what a big job it would be. A butcher shop is all set up for handling the weights involved and they have all the saws etc. in place.
It takes a lot of counter top space or large tables to process even deer. I can only imagine what it takes for a much larger animal. My son has fed out 3 or 4 steers at a time, for butchering on numerous occasions. Butchering is a skill all unto itself. Many folks have made a good living at that craft. I have respect for their skills.
Mostly, just thinking about shtf. There would be no ordering in what ya want. T-bones or not, round steaks or make ’em into burger, etc. I know from experience, it’s better to let a deer hang for a few days. I think with beef it’s even longer.
With a grid-down situation, a guy could let them hang in an unheated outbuilding during the winter. You would be at the mercy of mother nature’s temperatures. You’d need a significant structure to hang those kinds of weight.
For deer, I have two separate cable winches/pulleys set up on vertical pipe. Works very well, but a beef carcass would be a LOT heavier. My winches are set up on the north side of buildings (outside) to provide shade/cooler temps. Just thinking it through. What if???
Do ya have the clear plastic wrap?
The freezer paper?
The tape?
The knowledge?
The skill?
Minerjim, we only ever butchered a few lambs and it was an all day project with just a few hand tools! Bet your beef is going to be great!
Plainsmedic
Wrapping beef, gives you several options. We had the larger pieces of meat double wrapped in butcher paper and hamburger in plastic case tubes. Resembles the packing you would see on a Jimmy Dean package.
There are butcher shops that use the vacuum seal with plastic bags. If you were to do that I would recommend a higher end machine, not the one for everyday home usage. They would over heat from continuous sealing of a whole beef.
Check out LEM, believe they produce one that could fit your requirements.
Will your pully system handle the split weight of a beef? Estimate a minimum of 300+lbs for each half. That way you will be safe otherwise you would have to calculate for the whole beef until you could divide it in half. Memories from visiting the butcher shop during all those years.
You said it was north side apparently an open to the air hanging. Since this may be exposed to outside exposure, find your wife’s old bed sheets.
Please ask her first, do not wish to put you in the dog house for taking her good linens. You will wrap the beef same as one would do when aging deer meat to keep the flies off the meat while it ages.
Time to stock up on old bed sheets larger the better. Check out Good Will, 2nd hand stores, yard sales, neighbors who are going to get rid of them.
Plainsmedic,
Since you are brainstorming, and have mentioned an eye for how to butcher in a SHTF scenario, I’ll add these two cents.
In a grid down event where survival is the goal, the meat is the main goal, our concept of how it is cut up and marketed to us shouldn’t be important.
You’ve butchered deer before. Most likely you bone out the meat from the carcass. You most likely hang it to make it easier, but it really is not necessary. Many times, when I’ve taken deer far from any access to transportation, I’ve skinned, boned the deer out, wrapped the meat in the hide, bound it into a bundle to carry out on my back. There is no reason a beef can’t be done the same way, other than the need for help in the transport (and sharing) of the meat.
Native Americans butchered buffalo in this manner, the whole tribe contributing to the labor. I’ve done it with deer, by myself, out of necessity arising from circumstance.
Antique Collector, Dennis, others
Thanks for your opinions, it’s appreciated.
On wrapping the carcass. That’s not something I ever do. It is always winter time when butchering deer. If it was ever warm enough for flies, it would already be cut up and in the fridge. I’ve never had a problem with temps above 50’s during the middle of the day. Any warmer than that, well I’d have to change plans. Freezing the hanging carcass is more of an issue.
Many times, we simply store very large stainless steel bowls in the floor board of vehicles. Nature’s fridge. Keeps the critters away too. Always covered with clear plastic wrap. Keeps the meat from drying out.
I too, have boned out a few deer in the field. Always carry several walmart bags for the meat. Sometimes, depending on the terrain, it’s easier to do it that way. I have to disagree with hanging the carcass comment. I’ve eaten venison that has hung for a few days and venison cut off the bone in the field. Hanging for a few days seems to make it better.
Beef is better than venison. No two ways about it. We eat a lot of venison throughout the year. I don’t really like a deer hamburger. Spaghetti, chili, mexican food, several other dishes, venison is great. Steak fingers from the backstrap of a small doe, yummy. Venison roast, not so much.
For those who haven’t; cleaned a fish, butchered a chicken, a hog, deer, whatever, I’d encourage you to do so. It’s a skill you’ll need if NK or China or Iran or………..
Plainsmedic
Helped my dad with fish, grey squirrels, deer. No, to the butchering of a hog, watch the process when I was about 7 or 8, and helped pluck the feathers off of young chickens. Now that was a messy stinky job… No wonder I like Foster Farms chicken from the grocery store.😁
Antique Collector,
Agreed. We all reap the benefit of the work done by butchers. In SHTF, you’ll have to be the butcher, like it or not. I don’t have the vacuum tube machinery or anything else. Well, I do have a very nice meat grinder.
Once a person gets past the “yuck” factor, it’s just another chore. The skinning of deer is not difficult. Hogs, well they’re a lot harder. Takes a lot more time, but it’s doable.
I’m certainly not a professional butcher. Like they say, “I can get ‘er done.”
Antique Collector and others
Years ago when I was young and poor and feeding kids I raised pigs.
First time all of the expert help who offered to help did not show up.
I did have a pro kill and dress the pigs as I did not have the equipment to do that. With no expert to show me I picked up a knife and started cutting. Was a long day but I got the job done.
When you have to you can do what you have to do. Most of the time it even looks like a pork chop and ribs and even bacon!
Faced with adversity you will prevail!
Buck up everyone “country folk can survive “.
Why does DJT or any conservative or even moderate continue using twitter or facebook?
Everybody needs to cut that crap out and let them live in their little echo chambers.
Because that’s the way most of my family communicate. If I didn’t want to keep Dad up to date I’d probably dump the whole thing, but all my siblings are on FB and never seem to communicate (at least with us) any other way.
Kula AMEN,
Feel as if over the years more bad than good has come from social media. Seems like we all got along just fine pre Facebook/Twitter etc. Outside of the fact that it completely leans left it’s evolved into a platform for people to complain about how bad they have it, gloat about everything they have, or bully others with differing views.
POTUS does it because he can reach many people quickly…in putting out information he by-passes MSM… puts out narrative he needs out. MSM is so corrupt, IF DJT cured cancer, they would post he killed Big Pharma. He knows how to leverage information.
Most other people use public media, they consider private, to talk with family and friends. No one has to be concerned about them because they post TMI, location and all.
I don’t use anything but this blog and e mail.. sometimes that is too public….but once anything is on the web anywhere, it is out…
I would use them for vacuum sealing.
Just a thought. I watch Vice News sometimes as their perspective is very different most of the time. They were in Hong Kong speaking with a ranking member of the revolution so to speak. A comment made really hit me so to speak. The resistance was very strong and organized before the virus and now is more scattered and loosely organized so to speak. Was this the whole reason for the release of the virus? To more easily take control of Hong Kong. It got of control and was more virulent than known. Wuhan is in a very interesting location on the map. Not quite in the middle between Beijing and Hong Kong but an almost direct line. Just an idea.
NRP,
Thanks for your note – doing well and hope you are too. I’m sure you have lots of projects on your “now that I’m retired” list, but I’m betting you & Blue are having some cool outings, too.
I’m glad for your family leaving Fullerton. Which state are they headed for? Still in same situation here, but have been looking at Nevada as a go-to.
Been really glad to spend so much time at the BOL these past couple of months. Still driving distance back to IL’s, and been coming back as needed to support their medical needs, etc…. as long as my job lets me work remotely this works.
I’m so relieved we no longer have the business. Our buyer is doing his best to keep things going, staff working part-time, but I’m sure he is not sleeping nights right now. I know I wouldn’t be if it was me.
The governor here is beyond terrible. A political hack with big dreams and a big ego. Heaven help us if we get a second wave of the virus. We’ll be completely ruined in this state. Sigh.
Be well my friend, I think of you all the time 🙂
A glimmer of hope, as Elon Musk says, ” Take the Red Pill.”
A bigger glimmer, Ivanka Trump says she has “Taken !” For someone so connected tot he demonrats that says they have taken the red pill.. NOW that’s encouraging.!
Regarding Contact Tracing: Watched part of a video (20ish mins.) by a woman who got two different contact tracing certificates (to see what it was all about) and shares exactly what it involves. The part I watched was enough to make me realize the only way to escape this contact tracing craziness is to go nowhere and see no one, and make sure your family does the same. Totally nuts. This woman is in California, I think.
For those interested, it’s on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFUyZWw7qoc&t
Farmgirl,
Thank you for sharing that link to the contract tracing video. You’re right; it’s scary!
Wendy
You’re welcome. I only watched about half-way through and had to get more work done. Kind of reluctant to watch the rest. I’m sure the music of it is the same all the way through, right?
Farmgirl,
It gets worse. It’s probably stuff you’ve heard/seen before, though…we’ll have to have the app that shows we don’t need to be quarantined before we can go to work, the grocery store, etc. We may be forcibly vaccinated. Basically, we become a communist country in many ways. (That’s what the masses are screaming for, anyway, right?)
Farmgirl
WELL….it was on U tube now they have erased it from their site. Decided I had time to take a look at what you had posted. Gone, that is just like them. Does not fit into their
diatribe and you are erased.🙄
Antique Collector
I found it a different way. Go to preppersdailynews dot com and see the second item in the first column. I just tried it and it works.
They can’t be serious. So if say, everyone who’s been exposed is isolated, or quarantined, and they’ve contacted 25 people who have to be isolated, or quarantined, add infinitum. 25×25×25×25…
Yeah right.
All of these people not going to work, or school! Who’s going to replace the employees while these employees are absent for 10 or 14 days? Then oops! sorry Bubba, youve only been allowed back for one day, but you’ve already been exposed again, so guess what!
How many kids are not going to be in school? And what about when several teachers, and substitute teachers are quarantined at the same time?
How many businesses will go under because employees are not allowed to come to work?
Like President Reagan said, the scariest words in the English language are ” We’re here from the government, and we’re here to help. “
Hypothetical question… (asking for a friend) –
Say you have to urgently fill an entry-level position, ($17/hr+benefits)… and no one actually shows up. Because anyone in California who chooses to be a home bound slob, can afford to do so; for now. You spend thousands of dollars at a couple job sites for practically nothing. Then one day, a candidate actually shows up for the interview. No real skills, same dead-end work for many years…. has a pulse…. but there is something terribly wrong. Every Spidey-Sense input screams “drug addict”, probably meth; maybe something else is wrong too.
Later you bring your concerns to owners and there is a conundrum. If the position goes unfilled, at this time of year, customer service response time collapses, hell breaks loose, potential loss of significant business. It’s your call. What would you do?
tmcgyver
My answer would be “nope”. Never ignore the spidey-sense. The unfilled position has a known outcome. The methhead has a way worse potential outcome, up to and including position goes ‘unfilled’, hell breaks loose, valuable stuff goes missing, workplace violence, etc…
Hard choice, for sure, but your gut is telling you already what the right answer is. Trust that. I find that when I do, often something better happens. Not always, but often.
Thanks Farmgirl. You hit on every concern, plus one more with the prospect of violence. Tweakers are known for that. Some people think it’s easy-peasy; cut ’em loose if they don’t workout. They aren’t the one who opens the place in the pre-dawn hours.
tmcgyver
Some thoughts for ‘your friend’:
Can’t tell from the description, but is it possible this job could be performed by someone from another part of the country from home?
I’m sure somewhere in this country is an out of work self-employed type, who would jump at the chance for a job.
Perhaps it isn’t that kind of job, or you would have probably thought of that. I had a friend here locally that did customer service work for Duluth Trading Co. from home. She had to go for training for a week, and have stuff set up in her home, but then good to go.
tmcgyver,
I agree with Farmgirl, and obviously with what you’re already thinking. We’ve got someone in our office right now who just doesn’t do the job well, and it IS better to have someone doing at least some of the work than none of it, but there are no warning bells that go off for me when he is around. Trust your instinct. One bad apple ruins the whole bushel.
Where I am in the midwest, $17/hour plus benefits is good for an entry-level position, especially if there is the potential to move up. I don’t know how it is in California, though. I hear that everything is more expensive, but that may just be in certain cities. Would higher pay make a difference? I like Farmgirl’s suggestion of working from home. My office NEVER let anyone work from home before, but now many of us do, although we’re starting to cycle back in every other week. Maybe that would be incentive, if it’s possible.
I know you’ve been looking for a while; I remember thinking before that it sounded like a good opportunity for someone. Overtime available, too, if I remember correctly. I’ve just said a prayer that you’ll find the right someone soon.
Hi Wendy-
Thanks for the prayer! Actually, this is the second position, to be filled in the past month. First one was a termination; long overdue -shudder- …still cleaning up that mess. That position is filled by someone who is so far, so good. This second one did a great job, but gave two weeks notice, two weeks ago, because of the long commute. The pay is actually pretty generous, even for this area. Minimum wage is $10-something.
You and Farmgirl mentioned work from home. About 25% of daily activity requires physical presence in the warehouses and shipping area. We did the work-from-home thing for about 8 weeks during the Covid scare. It didn’t work out well. Living expenses are so high here that everyone was cooped up with family and/or roommates; largely out of work. A deal is pending right now – if it goes through, by January we’ll need to set up 24/7/365 regional support centers, likely based in seven cities across the US. Better to get this figured out now.
TMc,
I take it you have maxed out the overtime thing with your existing employees?
We have the same issue in the Rocky Mtn States with finding people. Maybe 1in 10 will actually get hired, but more like 1 in 25 might work out. We drug screen, so that cuts a lot of that out right away. I say go with your gut and keep looking. Maybe contact the military bases in your area to find folks getting out of the service who need a first job in the civilian world. Just a few thoughts from some else in the same boat.
Good Morning Minerjim –
Yes, I’ve been allowing OT up to my team’s tolerance threshold… so that’s like – $25 an hour? I’m really the only fool on that side to do 12-15 hours a day. I’m not doing drug screening for a couple of reasons. Foremost, our candidate pool would drop to zero. Second, I’m morally offended by it. Marijuana can be detected up to 6 months out, whereas meth… you really have to catch them actively under the influence because the metabolites clear so fast. I would totally hire a reasonable person who smoked pot on their off time. A Tweaker OTOH – may as well just kill it with fire. Those folks become something other than human.
tmcgyver
Concur with Farmgirl. Most of my regrets in life resulted from not listening to that internal voice.
That being said, alternate structures?
~ Remote work?
~ Contract with a company that provides entry-level workers rather than hiring them yourself?
~ Bring a single person LLC like yourself on board.
~ Part time? Job share?
~ I have had very good luck getting good entry level staff by contacting HACU (Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities.) You get college students who need their class time accommodated. List of participating schools is here:
hacu.net/assnfe/CompanyDirectory.asp?STYLE=2&COMPANY_TYPE=1%2C5
~ Have also had very good luck with hiring disabled veterans. Again, some physical and medical appointment accommodations might be needed. Every state has a veterans employment section in its unemployment office. You might also try contacting the local DVA.
Are you promoting the job as customer service to increase customer loyalty and grow company’s bottom line? Much better than advertising for a call center worker.
Best of luck! Who knows, you might find someone who already had an interest in your products.
AnonyMee –
~ Remote work?
— About 25% of the work requires physical presence
~ Contract with a company that provides entry-level workers rather than hiring them yourself?
— Oh gosh, I’m going that route now for the massive expansion we are planning on for ’21. Those places are cruel and unusual punishment – the way they cram people together in little micro work cells – shiver. We’ve done overflow center for hurricanes and they just don’t work out. IQ’s seem to be running around 80 points or less.
~ Bring a single person LLC like yourself on board.
— I haven’t come across any. And if one showed up, I’d expect them to have more ambition than this position. California has made LLC’s so expensive now that it barely makes sense for me to do it – for this job. It was more of a holdover from what I was doing three years ago
~ Part time? Job share?
— That could fill an urgent gap, say pulling overnight voicemails, etc. It would take some load off the others on team. But again, if no one wants a full-time job; why would they want a part time job? Might cut into their FSA payouts.
~ I have had very good luck getting good entry level staff by contacting HACU (Hispanic Association of Colleges and Universities.) You get college students who need their class time accommodated.
— Now that is something I never knew existed. And it is brilliant because I really need bilingual Spanish. I will look into this first thing Monday… because I’ve got until Tuesday to extend an offer to this other one.
Once again, I’m a smarter person for knowing you.
Thanks for promoting the DVA.
me
You bet! Proud to say my last two years of work I received awards from the state and kudos from my agency for hiring as many disabled and other veterans as I did.
Many relatives served. And it’s always been an issue for me since my graduating class was the last one drafted.
Tmcgyver,
Blows my mind your having this much trouble filling the position. I know people out here on the east coast that would kill for 17 an hour right now and would work hard for it. Sad what the work ethic of many in this country has come to.
rb308 –
It blows my mind too. I did hire a kid a couple of months ago. He is known to me and recently got put out of his university for the covid stuff. He busts his ass and provides customer service that is beyond outstanding. But he has big plans for his life, I have him until mid-summer. Then I’ll be looking to fill yet another spot.
tmc, if recall your last spidey sense was correct, wasn’t it.?
tmcgyver,
Tell your friend, that’s why he/she gets the big bucks!
Big cities are having rough times tonight. There seems to be some evidence that Minneapolis was intentionally set off by Deep actors. The White house is in lockdown. I’ve been seeing all the dots and a horrible thought occurred to me.
If everything else that’s been tried so far to wrest power away from a democratically elected leader has failed, and an overt action would be too incriminating, what better cover to achieve the desired result than to be able to blame it on some lone thug caught in the throes of a national uprising.
Very sick feeling about this. Hope I’m over reading it. Am I just letting my imagination get a bit carried away? Crazy, right?
Farmgirl –
My girlfriend (eventual wife) and I were living in North Hollywood when the Rodney King riots started moving north through LA in 1992. As LAPD retreated for “officer safety” our Korean/American friends took up fortified rooftop positions with long guns and put an abrupt stop to that crap. Even if that failed, not one rioting thug would make it over the hill past Mulholland. Nature has a way of restoring balance. The same will happen here. They’ll burn their own crap. There are boundaries, lines both literal and figurative that must never be crossed… Yes, it could be a busy weekend. I saw the one “African-American Yoof” up on Drudge earlier, announcing to the world: “We’re coming to the suburbs next”. … Mmm, yeah. We’ll be here. Shall we just, get it over with already?
TMc,
I remember the Watts Riots of the 60s growing up in the Valley as kid. Seems to me the Asian population did the same as your Korean friends, and were left to fend for themselves when things got out of hand. When the smoke cleared, the Asian sections of town were left intact. One thing a rioter understands is a man with a gun (and not afraid to use it) protecting his family and livelihood. Let’s hope the violence stops and justice is carried out calmly.
Minerjim –
It’s cultural, I think. The ‘furriners’ in my workplace were the first to arm-up when it looked like society might collapse a few months ago. It was bizarre to hear hyper-excited Mandarin all day, like: “blah-blah-blah Bass Pro, blah-blah, nine mil-mee-tuh, blah-blah three-o-eight, blah-blah, Sale!” If SHTF while I’m at work, I think it’s gonna be OK.
Partially cultural. Many people come here to get AWAY from the chaos, and to be able to protect themselves by law. Yes, they’re the first to arm up because they know the alternative first hand. The same way someone who has known real hunger will make sure they never have to go hungry again.
tmcgyver
Think I saw that same fine young man /s quoted on ZH. Really good comment’s section after that particular post. If it ever comes to the suburbs, all restraint exercised by those of higher morals will drop, for sure. If they get as far as me, they better not be on foot. Lots of hunters in these parts, and contrary to misguided notions, no one goes unnoticed in rural America. We notice every unfamiliar car and face. Busybody’s, us.
I don’t think it will come to that. Pay attention to what’s going on in front of the White House. I know they can block the area off better than they are doing.
I think that the” we’re coming to the suburbs next” guy was posturing for the camera. They know better, or they should anyway. As I am watching this unfold, I see an awful lol of black clad black masked white kids… seems like Mr Soros has his useful idiots out fanning the flames. They are the ones that may try coming to the suburbs. They will be surprised at the reception they get.
kevinH –
I’m quite sure the angry violent ‘yoof’ in the news piece has not the means or intelligence to follow through on anything. What worries me a bit is the media splash that it got and how it might inspire other, more local ‘yoofs’.
kevinH
Agree on the posturing. First thing I thought seeing the crowd was “not in those shoes.” They shut down public transport and it’s a long walk.
He probably hasn’t noticed that in the suburbs the houses are separated by driveways and watered lawns. How many Molotov cocktails you gonna carry all the way out there? How you gonna get that loot home?
I bet metal fabrication is gonna be a booming business across the country. Every shop and vulnerable homeowner will want roll down or pull across barriers for their windows and doors.
How they going to carry their dead home???
Ohh right,
They jus gonna steal them some wheels
No, not crazy at all…your perceptions may just be spot on.
Farmgirl,
Not crazy at all. What you see taking place, the “spontaneous” protests, with violent actors, burning and looting, is not “spontaneous” at all. There are well trained (and full-time, compensated) instigators on the ground in each of these large cities. They train, network, build local forces, then stand by awaiting activation orders. This is not unlike how Green Berets go into areas to develop and train locals into fighting forces.
This ain’t near over. It may, and probably will, die down some for a period of time, only to reignite for the political conventions. It will progress at a pace to meet the needs to achieve the leadership’s end game. It may appear to be chaos, but it’s orchestrated chaos with a goal.
It only looks like chaos because we’re seeing the pattern from a micro level. The planning is being done on a macro (world-wide) level.
The orde of chaos?
If you think your imagination is getting carried away, it is not, it is real. After watching the aftermath of destruction these riots have done, Riot-tors are hurting themselves, dishonored the memory of Mr Floyd, and has become a war of anarchy.
The inner cities filled with Demon-crat mayors and governors of the states allow this carnage to happen because they are incompetent, not only to allow the riots but put Covid-19 patents in Nursing homes that caused most of the deaths in Minnesota, but the people never learn and keep voting them in power. This is why I chose to live far from cities, live on the edge of the wilderness, and prepare for the threats these idiots already made to come to my neighborhood. They will be met with buckshot and bullets if they threaten my life this far north. And no, it isn’t crazy.
NRP,
Hey Ol’ Son, you been moving that massive TP hoard around lately? I see the scientist are reporting the magnetic field of the earth is changing again. Next time you’re gonna do that, give us a heads up, ok? That way we will be ready to recalibrate the magnetometer.
Minerjim –
You mean to suggest that this NRP character has ferrous toilet paper? Geez-Louise, talk about an OG, literal bad-ass…
Read this morning the CNN sign at the headquarters in Atlanta was vandalized by protestors. I’m dying to see the spin they put on this one, but I’m sure somehow it’ll be Trumps fault 😂
What is the difference between an individual setting off a bomb or an individual setting fire to an establishment that both have people around? They are both terrorist. We need to start arresting these individuals who riot like this the same as we do terrorist who blow things up. Both are trying to instill fear in the public. Am I wrong for thinking this? Demonstrators who are peaceful are not what I’m talking about. The ones who destroy things are.
… Agreed they need to arrest and if found guilty of looting, inciting riot, visual evidence, recorded evidence… no bail for several days, not out til before video judge, full representation, house arrest if guilty, monitored…. organizers of violent protests should have all funds removed,and remain until danger is past.. solitary, no communication.
.. arrests of big city protestors is not happening because some one is paid off and allows it to happen…Its hard to collect a check for protesting if you are dead. so certain anti- protest methods should be used. the groups paid by soros antifa and blm are two and agents from both have been identified.Of course those lives don’t matter when they are doing abortions… they locate murder centers near black neighborhoods.Look it up.
So, someone wants to get out of W H o. Why eh? Hmm… Anybody knows of this?
Yes, and that is only one of many such things we need to get out of.. the corruption is rampant in several you named one… cost is enough for us to use to do our own medical health organization and there are some already in place..They are not protecting US but are protecting the ones that first “discovered the release” of this vir rus…they held information and spread disinformation so that it would be spread the world over…. probably every head 6-8 levels deep in ALL such organizations need replacement.
The best thing them and their associates at ni h, c dc wh o, f da al can do is get lost and stay away.
Or was it like ingesting clorix and the like?
“Somewhere, a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his own web gear. He doesn’t worry about what workout to do – his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about ‘how hard it is’; he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn’t go home at 17:00, he is home. He knows only The Cause. Still want to quit?”
Last night we had a live fire training with NODs. 12 guys showed up. That is about 6 more than usual. Riots have people concerned, and rightly so.
Before we start every training session, I have someone read the above SOF quote.
Train like it is for real for soon it will be.
Well we have the next 8 days predicted to be <90F, "June Gloom". I think it's time to get off my ass and finish the HVAC system I started 5 months ago. All the difficult attic copper has been run and holds a vacuum. My biggest concern is pulling down a working system for a new one that's never been run. One glitch, problem or defect; and I'll have until next weekend to get the old evap heads, linesets and electrical back up – Or there will be two rather upset women in my face when the weather gets hot. Got my coffee in me, now where is that motivation? Oh crap. Just remembered I missed dinner last night; fell straight asleep.
TMc,
Pull those linesets for several hours, make sure they are dry. Install an optical dryness sensor in the line too, that will tell you if you have a compromised system down the Road.
Glad I’ve got mine done, it hit 90f here before 11am this morning.
Minerjim –
Break time. Just blew out a service valve on the old system, so I’m committed now. I dummied up the brass cap with Nylog and stopped the leak. Just my luck.
Say, my vacuum pump only pulls to 27.5; no matter how long it runs. I have nitrogen. What if I nitro-flushed the lines and pulled whatever vacuum a few times? Should that ensure no moisture? Thanks
TMc,
If I remember correctly the tech did blow out my lines with dry nitrogen before pulling a vacuum. It should help, but pulling and holding the vacuum on the lines for like 3-4 hours should do it. Any moisture should flash and come out in that amount of time. Good luck! Get er’ done!
Good Saturday morning to all MSB family:
It is raining in waves here in the State of Jefferson, of course I watered all the plants yesterday because it was HOT! 😏
Main vehicle had to go into the shop for a check up, good thing it need some items we were not aware of besides general maintenance. Baby has a few miles under the hood, but it is paid for!! Stripped the work truck yesterday, pulled everything out. Vacuumed the entire front & back so that I can store what I have to have for trips to town in that vehicle. Beside there was more hay on the inside than on the bed of truck, yes it had been that long since it was cleaned. It will receive its allotment of urinal cakes because of the mice, and two lazy kitties. 😣
Past week gathered items to sort by usage, we are not lacking in black pepper corns, yes, we have that many, also found the canning salt I purchased years ago which was vacuum sealed. Think we are good to go for a few years…lol
Forgot to close the gate and something ate the leaves off of my potato plants that were going crazy. The plants are still doing great so far, it could have been a rabbit but I am leaning more towards the young deer who are left here by there moms so they can go galivanting around the neighborhood. Thankfully they did not get into the tomato plants. whew!
I got two more hydroponics tanks up today. I had to dump and refill the others because I didn’t have them protected sufficiently from light. The new are inside black garbage bags, hopefully that will be enough. The one that didn’t get dumped is a tomato, and has blossoms on it. The new tanks are a tomato and a cucumber. The (ash and eggshell) nutrients won’t be put in them until they’ve actually got strong roots in the water. I replaced the dead tomato with a chia plant. I have no idea whether it will take to the hydroponics or not.
I planted out the last of the park-strip watermelons yesterday, but I still have maybe a dozen tomatoes in the greenhouse that are still tiny.
We finally have a semi-firm date for the move-in. The dogs will be arriving on the 5th, and the rest of the family probably on the 7th or 8th. Apparently my garden clone is excited to get out there with her shovel. My brother made sure I was aware that she also needs a hat, since she apparently inherited our family’s skin.
A word to the wise!
Check your HO(homeowners policy) renters policy, it could/may have an exclusion on riots/terrorist’s destroying your personal property.
Majority of insurance companies have gone that route in the past few years as the leftist(brown shirts)being turned loose for any reason on the general public, and their holdings. Insurance companies do not wish to pay for loses that are caused by the less then functions brain cells walking on two legs.
It does not have to be a HO policy. I am betting that there were exclusions on the businesses which were burned to ground. Even if those business self insured they are not going to rebuild where this type of behavior is allowed.
My small bit of knowledge to give you a step of what could happen in your small section of the world. jic
As someone stated recently—If those that are LOOTING not considered ”domestic terrorist’s”.
What do the governors of those states consider them? Miss guided children who’s hands require a slapping & time out in a corner?
This may sound drastic, but what happened to water cannons when the mobs went out of control and started this type of destruction on business/personal property?
Antique Collector — I had the impression that most insurance polices/in most countries/for most types of insurance had clauses for nullifying the insurance in cases of damage/death caused by
war
civil insurrection
rioting
etc
thought I had seen articles fr many countries of this applying to property/health/life insurance..
Jane Foxe
About 4-5 years ago when the farm package arrived on renewal there was a new policy sheet attached with a letter from the independent insurance agent notifying us of the change to the coverage to also include rioting, looting which prior to then I do not recall it being in the policy.
Because it was a farm package,(commercial policy) it was normal for me to double check the items listed making sure nothing had been over looked on the policy. Habit came from working in this field of business. There may have been stipulations written prior in the coverage, but from what I recall it was expanded to prevent claims from this type of behavior costing them money do to a loss.
Antique Collector – expect all policies are much the same. Even years and yrs back, on reading over some travel policy, I recall reading exclusions due to getting trapped in / involved in riot/war/civil insurrection, etc..
One of my postings did not make the cut, it had a link.
Please take the time to go and read at the Solari Report Catherine’s editorial on vaccines. Here is an excerpt.
“Here is one example of how the trick may play out. A toxin creates a disease. The toxin might be pesticides or industrial pollution or wireless technology radiation. The toxin damages millions of people and their communities. Companies or their insurance provider may be liable for civil or criminal violations. Then a virus is blamed. A “cure” is found in a “vaccine.” The pesticide or other toxic exposure is halted just as the vaccine is introduced, and presto, the sickness goes away. The vaccine is declared a success, and the inventor is declared a hero. A potential financial catastrophe has been converted to a profit, including for investors and pension funds. As a portfolio strategist, I admit it has been a brilliant trick and likely has protected the insurance industry from the bankrupting losses it would experience if it had to fairly compensate the people and families destroyed.”
Saw an interesting comment the other day–My SIL’s brother stated that he is “100%” supportive of the looters. Because they’re victims, you see, and “systemic racism” is totally an excuse for violence.
I wonder what the difference is between “100% support” and actually being out there throwing bottles and shooting at police? Proximity?
Lauren…there are always folks like this..
so…just asking, wonder how he would feel if they came down his street, went into his home, cleaned it out, and trashed what was left, and then trashed his vehicle..
would he still feel it was ok? would he feel safe..? would he per chance call for police to protect him? just wondering..
He’d probably be the first screaming for protection. There seems to be a cognitive disconnect with this type.
Many of the looters would probably raise hell if the fire department wasn’t there while their house was burning.
They’ll blame “the deplorables” for the increase in unemployment when the burned out businesses don’t return.
Lauren — I think you described it well, sadly.
Response to Lauren on why I left Kalifornia: It was not the politics. For me and my wife it was for the money.
I am the guy that left the state after working for the state for over a decade in several different jobs. While a peace officer in 1992, I saw Pete Wilson pay healthcare workers IOU’s for 8 months. While a licensed healthcare worker in 2008 I saw Governator Arnold S. try to do the same thing at the start of the Great Recession. We left before IOU’s were issued though the governor taxed my paycheck before we left.
Response to Farmgirl and TMcGyver: Stay safe in your very different locations. When I was living in the ‘burbs of California and there was talk of civil unrest, I made it a point to check on my inventory of batteries, fuel, food, ammo goes without saying
My favorite weapon to have on hand in event of civil unrest: 12 gauge pump shotgun. Inexpensive to buy, easy to fix and maintain and nothing says “uneducated redneck” like a guy sipping beer while sitting in a lawn chair holding a short barreled pump shotgun.
If you get close enough to notice, the end table is actually stacks of trap loads covered with finished lumber and a cute tablecloth and the redneck is reading the Wall Street Journal.
My wife rolls her eyes at my outfit but she has her own shotgun too. She considers herself to be The Queen these days and if somebody kicks her dog, the shotgun comes out. ( the Queen is not amused…)
I was in Orange County surveying the intact storefronts of the Little Saigon after Rodney King Part 2 years ago. The storefronts were intact and the gold was being displayed in the shops within days while smoke was still spiraling in the sky from South Central. Their ethnic neighborhoods really came together during those times to defend their and each others shops.
On a tactical sense, they used cell phones ( wireless communication ). they spoke in code ( foreign language not understood by the attackers ) and they used cooperative tactics. ( spray birdshot on people attacking a storefront across the street because the people on top of the building are not in a good position to do this. ) This was also in the late spring so the weather was quite warm. They had ice chests with plenty to drink and some food as well.
As with the aftermath of such an ordeal, the families view themselves as veterans of a shared hardship and their kids intermarried and the community became even bigger and still remains pretty tight. They have celebrations and the guns are oiled up in the closets waiting for the next time.
Other that sitting on my porch in Suburbistan these days, I felt pretty safe eating at one of the fine restaurants in the ethnic neighborhoods. I like the food and we think alike though the language is different.
@Antique
I am with you bud, where the hell are the water cannons? Every one of those good-for-nothing-lowlifes should be brought up on FedGov terrorism charges, especially the accelerant and molotov throwers!
At a minimum, why cant we arm the police with some powerful full auto paintball guns and an endless supply of paintballs. Those things hurt like a mofo when they hit you, not lethal but definitely painful!!! There is a reason paintballers dress up in full riot gear when they play because those paintballs hurt like crap and will leave welts for days.
Also shoot the molotov throwers with REAL live ammo for all I care, preferably hollow points, screw the FMJ NATO BS ball ammo. Just get rid of those terrorists once and for all. If you burn a man’s business that he and his family likely worked their entire lives building, YOU DIE!
In the eyes of any sane and reasonable person, this has gone well beyond peacefully demonstrating a public injustice and crossed the Rubicon in to full on anarchy!
“Well placed headshots certainly have a way of eliminating repeat offenders”
Fire For Effect
Furious Minnesota Governor says George Floyd protests are being manipulated by ‘domestic terrorists’ and drug cartels trying to destabilise the US as the National Guard is fully mobilised
Fire For Effect
Threatening Terrorism?
Minneapolis protester warns the unrest will hit the suburbs next because there is ‘nothing left here’ as thousands ignore city curfew and take to the streets
Fire For Effect!
They could do all of those things you suggested, and yet they’re not doing it. Could be overwhelm, but I think it’s more likely because the plan hasn’t played out all the way yet. Noises about white supremacists and drug cartels, combined with POTUS tweet about having a MAGA night at the White House tonight have me thinking they won’t step in until it can be pinned on the ‘right wing racist extremists’. Not sure why the president made that tweet, but it would be playing right into today’s narrative to have a ‘party’ on the WH front yard.
fire for effect, If you take the paint balls and put them in your freezer over night they hurt a HOLE LOT MORE!… Don’t ask how I know.
They make hard rubber balls that fit in most paintball guns. They also make pepper balls, those are pretty good, can you imagine getting smacked in the face with a pepper ball?
Ouch!
Am i right, haa
Calirefugee,
Good advice on shotguns in suburbia.
Many folks see the AR’s in .223/5.56 as the cats meow for home defense (they do have their place), but being as every bullet has a final destination, is a super velocity projectile the best choice in an urban/suburban setting (especially on your home turf)? Being as you seldom get to pick your backstop when responding to an attack, do you really want that backstop to be the home of a friend/neighbor/innocent bystander when using the AR?
Even in my environment, I have a family member living in a cabin catty-cornered to our front porch and less than 100 ft distant. Buckshot wouldn’t penetrate the walls, doubtful a pistol caliber carbine would, no doubt .223/5.56 would.
Keep in mind, it ain’t the weapon that wins the fight, it’s the person behind the weapon.
So D,
What yer sayin is i shouldnt use my NEMO OMEN for home defense
🤪
Kulafarmer,
(laughing) Not at all. Just pointing out some considerations. Wish there were such a thing as the “best gun”. Helps explain why I have owned and tried so many different ones. Every one filled a niche, none filled them all. The one thing that works for everyone is a constant thriving to get better with what you have.
‘spect you know that already.
@Kula
“Every one filled a niche, none filled them all.”
So true!
They are like tools in a toolbox.
Hard to beat a pump action or semi auto 12 gauge with an added white light for Homestead work. The variety of different loads and choke sizes make it incredibly useful! It can be a meat getter, varmint killer or home defender all in one and it is the only gun that really works well in upland bird or waterfowl country.
FFE
I love my Mossberg 590 with ghost rings, nice piece, kicks like a mule but solid
wondering with all the riots/crowds, if the number of positive COVID will shoot up
@JaneFoxy
I imagine the Covid infections will spike in riot areas due to all this. I don’t see what will stop it?
Front row seats to the slow death of the once great and beautiful American Republic. How agonizing, how utterly grotesque and disgustingly putrid to watch.
Painful indeed!
Fire For Effect! — well, from photos I saw (and I didn’t spend a lot of time looking), have to say, I was surprised that many/most of the rioters had face masks on…so…would protect some…What surprised me, thought, face masks hard to find, but suddenly rioters had lots of them? was someone supplying face masks?
@JaneFoxy
I think it would shock and offend most of us the logistics behind the “protests”. They are well funded and well coordinated, even if it doesn’t appear so.
The news shows merely the “Useful Idiots”. However there is a long, dark, mysterious money trail behind this that likely leads to ill intended state actors, Communist China, Russia or The Clinton Foundation, as if there is a difference between the 3 (Snark).
Fire For Effect! — think you have something there.
Just an Observation,….Covid will not spike in the areas of riots, all those are hired actors from somewhere else. So if your areas has idgits who decided their life was worth a few dollars …and were gone for a few days….look for your numbers to spike… Phone Numbers were posted with advertisement for “protestors” .. in many areas. Those numbers were called by multiple people and the offers were legit…
Reply to Dennis and Fire for effect:
One of the best uses I saw of a precision rifle being used in a riot was the targeting and hit on a lit petrol bomb prior to being launched by said protesters ( instant karma ). Rarely happens and it appeared to be in one of the Latin-American countries.
Footage shown to us for tac officers in training decades ago. Teach your kids to not play with fire…
In Suburbia, most fire-gone-wrong scenarios involve gasoline in place of lighter fluid, intoxicated dude manning the grill and singed eyebrows at a minimum. ( holiday weekends in America with the shouts of children, barking dogs and the smell of singed hair in back of my ambulance…awesome!)
I think your hot dogs are dun…
A short follow up on the Walker Razor Slim electronic ear protection w/attached FRS/GMRS radio transceiver.
The sound amplification on these is much greater than found in my older Walker Power Muffs. A lot greater.
The hearing protection from gunshots is as good as my older, bulkier muffs.
The radio works well. The only draw back I see is that the controls (especially changing settings such as channels, vox (voice activated transmission)) requires, at least for this old man, removing the muffs. The push to talk button, if not using vox, takes a little getting used to (again, this may be because I lost the sense of touch in my finger tips with advancing age and abuse).
Everyone probably wants to know what kind of communication range to expect. The farthest I’ve tested them at is a little over 3/4 mile. My wife was inside our home with a Cobra micro-talk handheld radio, I was down in the holler in my side x side. Communication was crystal clear. This distance is similar to what I get with my other FRS/GMRS units where heavy cover is between the transceivers. I have got 5 miles when talking from one ridge to another w/o having woods in between, when using my hand held units, but haven’t taken the time to try the Walker version yet.
Do I believe they were worth the price? Without doubt. Of course, I use them on my daily therapy sessions, but I also use them when doing my rounds in the side x side and mowing the pasture. The muffs themselves do not need to be turned on for the radio to operate which is good when in the side x side or mowing. The decibel levels of either activity hovers right at the point the muffs automatically shut off outside noises, causing the muffs to jump back and forth between modes. Simple to just turn the muffs off, still stay in communication, turn them back on when you stop.
Just yesterday, I was mowing pasture when I had a visitor show up at the house. Wife calls me on the radio to let me know. In the past, I would never heard the cell phone ring or her trying to raise me on the hand held unit above the noise of the mower.
Be glad to answer any questions on what I may not have covered.
Dennis
Thank you for the report. This sounds like it will be better for us here on the place instead of taking the cell phone with me when I am out working and dh is in the house. He can call me via the hand held unit when I am on the tractor. Assume!!
Okay, more dots to connect. Dana Boente, FBI’s top lawyer was asked to resign. That sounds very significant. I’ll confess to not knowing, nor having the time at present to follow the trail on this one. Is it connected to the de-classifying of Michael Flynn’s papers/conversations?
Could all of the forces of provocation, fomenting civil unrest, be a desperate attempt to stop some big players’ involvement in corruption from being revealed?
Also, the ‘ask’ came from the DOJ, *not* the FBI. That has me wonder if FBI director is in the hot seat.
Farmgirl
We can only hope, and that is about it. Did not hear about the lady being ask turn in her papers.
AC
I thought it was a woman, too. Nope – a man. The formal request was made by Director Wray, after the DOJ decided to end Boente’s ‘tenure’ at the FBI. I think lots of people are about to be officially exposed. Hope they can do it fast enough.
Had a weird dream, was walking down a trail, smells something strange.. Pop out a Belgian malinoise… Looks like he’s mad.. Eh.. It’s a dream, right? Slowly back-up a couple steps without turning my backs to it. Heard a growl on the upper side. A snow leopard?! What on earth are these? Woke up.. Its a small world and I sweat my shirt. Thought I was in Philippines.
Gained another thousand as a Top Prepper Site.
Only took us 73 days; last time it was 77 days. Still only about 13 people voting per day.
If everyone who comes to this site would vote every day, we would be #1 in a few days.
To see where some of this is oriented, look up the Redneck revolt and its cousin the John Brown Gun Club. Both are associated wit Antifa.
Well, I woke up this morning after sleeping past sunup. Unusual for me, but I was up late last night. Combination of watching the cities self destructing due to liberal democrat leadership and the liberal democrat voters who elected them, and me fighting a chigger attack.
Stepped out on the front porch, sun was about 15 minutes above the ridge to our east. Wind calm, air fresh and sweet, temperature in the mid-60’s. Squirrels already scampering about, gathering what’s left of last fall’s hickory nut crop.
Walked around to the back of the house to check on the enclosed raised bed garden. Yellow squash was sporting several huge orangish yellow flowers. Heirloom tomatoes are about 30″ tall and looking healthy. Zucchini coming on strong, but no blooms yet. They came from seeds, not pre-sprouted like the yellow squash. Cucumbers and bell pepper plants look healthy, with pepper blossoms about to open. Purple hull peas up and growing, took three plantings before soil temps got up enough for the seeds to germinate. Planted potatoes yesterday. Late, I know, but was unable to find seed potatoes this spring, so had to wait for store bought taters to sprout on the window sills.
Turned out the chickens for the day. Been averaging 8 eggs a day, a little low, but ok. Filled their water and feed.
Life is good on the mountain. Family is healthy, the larder is full, the week ahead looks good. Hard to believe our country is self destructing. Believe I’ll not participate.
Ahhhhh…….smell that sweet air. Yep, gonna be a good day.
Dennis
Beautiful. Thank you.
– Dennis,
We always just coated each and every red spot from the chiggers with nail polish. (Color is up to you, I always used clear. The remainder I used to coat the knots in fishing line, so I just tossed it in the tackle box.) Works quickly, and is cheap (Did I mention it’s used in fishing, and its cheap?)
– Papa S.
– Alternatively, rub your legs with cheap vodka, then coat them with sand. Get the bugs good and drunk, sooner or later they will start throwing rocks at each other and them you can sweep them all off into the creek and be rid of them.
– Papa
Rubbing alcohol for me and always have some clear Caladryl in the cuboard. I also keep homeopathic Apis Mel tablets. Will work on the bites from the inside. Works very well also will cut down on the duration of bites.
To all MSB family
If you want a good synopsis of what we’re dealing with, I watched part of a video put out by Jack Posobiec. Never heard of him before today, but what he says rings dead solid true to me. He has a new video, 50 mins longish, called Antifa summer 2020 has begun. I FF through a lot of his giving background creds, in an effort to get to the meat more quickly. Wish he didn’t pause so much – I can take in information rather quickly, so his speaking style is a bit frustrating for me, but he seems legit. The video is on his twitter feed; if you search his name you’ll find it.
Got no twitttrr nor faescebuk. But I got me aquaponics goin. That’s good for now and later.
Besides, that rob bobs do rocks ay? And the anarchists cookbook isn’t available here, even if I have to steal one.. Sigh.. Mayhem, maybe not. Must-do. Yes.
Dennis
Have you tried coating your legs with Diatomaceous Earth-Food Grade before you go out side. Think of DE as sunscreen version to keep those little bitters off your legs.
It is just an idea as I recall dh being eaten up by those critters when we were in OK visiting his aunt & uncle years ago.
If you have Witch Hazel astringent in the household try using it now to kill those that have burrowed into the tissues. It will also sooth the skin and should help ease the itching you are having now.
Someone last year mentioned Neutrogena body oil. Works well. I put it on my legs and clothes and on my arms when the skeeters come out.
Mrs U
Yep. Anecdotal evidence only. GF and I working on a Caribbean island discovered that the light sesame body oil kept the skeeters away. Drove her husband and others crazy that we were no longer slapping bugs all evening so we finally shared the secret. So much nicer than sticky stinky chemicals.
Dennis: Try picking and frying some of those squash blossoms in olive oil after coating them in breadcrumbs. Sounds weird but it tastes good.
Locally, I was not able to find any older ammo short of 22 rimfire in the past 2 weeks so I returned home to reload some cast lead bullets. Not much activity at local ranges due to lack of ammo available/ possibly people hoarding again/ people preparing for rioters marching through their neighborhoods.
Another reason to have on hand some type of 12 or 20 gauge shotgun. During the last ammo drought, you were always able to find shotshell ammo.
Dennis,
I like to stuff blossoms with ricotta cheese/ herb mixture. Coat them in whipped egg whites and dry. Mmmm good eating!
PEACE to you and your family
MadFab
Dennis,
Fry not dry.
Sorry about that
MadFab
Just a recap of the way I saw it and how it has turned out
Vacation spots are full of people that have escaped urban centers in RV’s. I saw an increase in RV sales and suggested many were bought for bugging out. Someone disagreed.
Corporations, mega suppliers and media giants, moving some top people to near trillionaire status and dictatorships. So, Amaz and WM have killed most small companies and ruined middle class employment. Someone disagreed.
Off-shore money was allowed to purchase farmland and food production facilities with the result of immigrant and illegal workers earning low wages and have no consideration as to food safety. But someone wanted cheap food.
I had faith in our medical industry in fighting the virus. But I underestimated the control China has in supplying all our medical needs. However, I was correct in suggesting the Coronavirus has and continues to be no worse than the annual flu in this country.
Welfare has turned a large segment of our population into lazy gimedats. It has destroyed the family unit, particularly in black communities as the percentage of single baby mommas is nearing 80%. Bread and circus will destroy this country from the inside. So called “Dirty Jobs” pay good money and offer stable employment, but not many will train for these jobs. But being against welfare is considered being racist.
A reset to bring our country back to limited government and re-establish our Constitutional Rights is needed and is probably inevitable – but many fear the pain and would prefer to live as sheep in chains. The price will be paid sooner or later.
I believe as many on this site, that self-sufficiency and diversity of resources is the only way we can survive in the future. Location plays a big role for a person, family, or community being able to achieve true freedom.
Glad you’re back.
Thanks Lauren, but this is just a visit as some of my views/opinions require that I change channels. I respect the work needed to provide all helpful information on this site. I also appreciate that this work must produce some income to continue, but question the agenda in some cases.
Your horticultural information, based on your own experiences, has been very helpful to both beginners in gardening and seasoned gardeners. Your writing talents are also commendable.
hermit us
Over the years I’ve visited many many similar websites. Though I don’t always agree with Ken, or some of the participants, or them with me, have got to say this is by far the most wide-ranging site in terms of preparedness. Also one of the most civil, though we do have our differences of opinion and disagreements.
Come back often. It’s good to get your perspective.
hermit us
Missed your posting but understand, just nice to know you are still out there in
cyber space aka the uppers of id.
Your comment on RVer’s purchasing units is spot on, read an article on the sales of new units going out faster than they can fill some of the orders. Along with the new hires for these sales lots.
Have been checking them out with the possibility of giving us the availability to travel and have acdh’s equipment with us(an get out of the house)! Cabin fever is calling again, time for more chores. 🙄
Bummer Hermit,
Kinda miss hearing from the Redoubt.
Hope all is good up there.
Stay frosty!
😎🤙🏻
– Just FWIW, hermit us,
I happen to agree with at least 90% of your comments. Always enjoy reading well-written views and opinions, especially when they agree with my own.
– Papa S.
Hermit Us,
You have been missed!
PEACE to you and yours
MadFab
Ditto
Golly, I know I commented yesterday, but those crowds are “something huge”..And, if you’ve seen the crowds in Britain, from photos I have seen, they are crowded in even closer than crowds in States. And, from what I can seem most do not have masks…..If Coronavirus is anywhere near as contagious as stated, …..big trouble coming….(pretty sure those rioters did not go home and self isolate for two weeks (visualise this one…phone work…oh, I cannot come in to work for two weeks because I got exposed to COVID when I was rioting…)
So Cal Gal
We are still here, acdh is doing as well as can be expected with medical facilities closed down that he needs open. Understanding he is not the only one in this boat. The gov of this state needs an enima-😉😂 the key board made me say it…and that’s the truth..rowl
Did you happen to hear the latest on State of Jefferson? The Circus of the 9th appeals decided to do an end run around on the paperwork requesting our day in court for the 3 board court. Guess the next step is something I would recommend you listen to on today’s program ‘Jefferson’ program. Half million dollars to be kicked back to the curb like urchins. Nothing says we love you like a Demo C rat running the show. Chores are calling..
If you can head up to the hills…would probably be a good thing for a few days, if your IL’s are doing alright now.
Couple nice days this week then cold and wet again. Little pigs did a good job tilling up the ground for my pumpkin patch. When it’s dry enough will get out and finish the job.
Separated this litter. Four gilts and two boars. Very pleased with my herd sire as so far have got 12 gilts (girls) from him and only two boarlets. Gilts are preferable to market as there’s no possibility of boar taint in the meat. Will grow out the boars to see if they should be kept for breeders.
Have a girl in each litter shaped like a bison. Call both of them Buffy. Big shoulders and big hams, but a bit short coupled. Will breed both to see if that shape can be made dominant.
Feeling like it’s time to start adding again to LTS food. DFM relocated from SoCal to central ID. Glad to have them closer, and so much safer.
Far beyond suburbs here. Blessings on all to come through these scary times safely.
The best conditions for ham radio in months. Got on earlier today and wow. Crystal clear comms out 200 miles (s-9) and quite a bit further. Still learning this hobby/skill and some days are better than others. Even had the antenna 45 degrees off (playing around) and it still came in great. 2m ssb is my main thing, but several of us were playing around with FM and it was good too. All of that with just the technician’s license (beginner’s license). Might be something to think about if ya have family or friends.
Welcome to another episode of Red Dog Master’s “Things That Make You Say WHAT THE HECK?!”
Its pretty amazing that in addition to WalMart, Home Depot and Lowes that the Riots are another place where the COVID19 virus is not present?!?
I don’t hear any of the demoturd governors, Dr Fauci, or CNN/MSNBC Talking Fools lecturing the rioters about Social Distancing and Stay At Home Orders?
(Masks, meh, the rioters seem to have taken to wearing masks, but I digress!)
Stay tuned for more of Red Dog Master’s “Things That Make You Say What The Heck?”
Those you whom are trying to divvy up Ken’s holding since ‘he is not going to make it’ per cid. You seem to forget Mrs. J may have something to say about his stash of goodies & his survival…rowl
Those of you who are married, take a good look at your spouse, bet they will do anything to protect you.
😉
grin
well, I’ll take Sampson…..he be ok here in the south with three cats…..
Stand my Ground,
Haven’t seen ya post in a while.
Hope you and your family are doing ok, my friend😃
Miss your postings.
Blessings and PEACE
MadFab
OK wanted to share an FYI (don’t know if it was posted anywhere earlier on chat before, so mea culpa if it’s a repeat)
According to NY State- Stearamine (those sanitizing tablets used in foodservice) are on the official approved list for disinfection against SARs-CoV2 virus(the Covid 19 novel coronavirus) it’s pretty inexpensive and tabs have a long life-just mix it up as needed and spray to disinfect (looks like the 400ppm strength so 2 tabs to 1-gallon water)
so stock up during the relative calm before the next storm
fireswamp…hadn’t heard this name before, Stearamine . Any idea where the average person (not in food service etc) might purchase?
Steramine tablets
Can be found on amazon
150 tablets per bottle
Use 1-2 tablets per gallon of water so it is a good supply item for any prepper IMO
And now that it’s officially on list of recognized covid 19 virus disinfectant
I bought a 6 pack from janitorial supply site for $47
Restaurants/foodService/bars etc use this product
It is a quarternary ammonium
Fireswamp
thank you
IT WORKS! The four room HVAC project I’ve been dragging ass on since December is finally working! We have AC in the kitchen for the first time EVER! My wife is just standing there in the air-stream; mesmerized. My office/man-cave also has near-silent super cooling. I can’t wait to dispose of that rackety-ass portable with the taped-on cardboard air deflector I’ve been using since forever. Living room is cool, ditto my covid-refugee daughter’s room. The north side is now first-world climate controlled.
Now the south side is irritating me. That’s just two rooms, my bedroom and “the pantry” which cannot go weeks at a time in summer heat. 8-10 year old mini-splits in there. I’m going to try and let the existing system last until this winter, then change it out to this new Senville Aura system; which is positively bad-ass.
tmcgyver
Just in time! Congrats. 🙂
Tmcgyver
Awesome! Doesn’t feel great when something you dreaded tackling has come together. Then you have a happy Mrs. Tmcgyver,,, that is a wahhhooo!
TMc,
Great job. It will returns for you for many years to come. My DW still comments every summer how nice it is to have central AC.
Looks like it’s going to be another long night. Chicago antifa and general lowlifes are moving out to the ‘burbs. Been on the phone with my son, talking him through different scenarios and feeds/scanners to pay attention to.
One bright note, I’m noticing regular protestors calling out antifa and troublemakers, sometimes blocking access to businesses. If enough of them do this, it might make a difference. Good to see them starting to wake up to the fact that they’re being played.
In D.C., watched a video of peaceful protesters actually grabbing an antifa guy and hauling him over to the police. It took five of them to do it – that antifa guy was in shape. In Houston, a police chief gave a rousing, passionate speech to a crowd of protestors saying he’s behind they’re right to peacefully protest, and proud of their city, and rallying them to not let the thugs trash everything and blame it one them. I hope people are starting to get it.
Farmgirl
Let us hope that cooler heads will keep that destruction out of your son’s area. May he be alright/safe tonight and the coming days.
Farmgirl
That is really heartening to hear.
AC-ACDH
Thank you. He’s an adult, and I do my best to respect that, though it’s hard to do when I’m concerned. I was able to shake him out of normalcy bias yesterday, so he’s more alert today. He has good back-up plans in place, just needs to make sure he doesn’t wait too long to activate them. Appreciate your prayers.
The person who hoists a weapon to stop a bank being robbed, is called (by news headline) an armed vigilante
“Moment armed vigilante tried to stop a bank from being robbed as looters cash in on George Floyd protests”
note the “language”…why not…a citizen attempting to enforce law, with (likely) a legal weapon?
Jane Foxe
On KTLA news last evening, a protester removed a weapon from the police vehicle. He was preparing to do something stupid, when another person came up on this thief removed said weapon from his possession. Then started to disassemble it, by his actions would guess a avid gun enthesis or military.
AC,
One story said the person who removed it from the thief was a plainclothes officer (or perhaps off duty), but have not seen that confirmed. I was infuriated and sickened at the lawlessness, and my heart broke for all those small business owners who watched their business vandalized, looted and even torched last night. Some of those owners may not even have adequate insurance, as many small business policies do not cover losses from “civil unrest”. Those owners will probably have to hire attorneys to help them fight for coverage saying these were purely acts of theft and vandalism. But, the “protests” may give the insurance companies an excuse to deny claims.
Antique Collector
He’s a bodyguard for local Fox reporter in Seattle. After looters removed two from burning police car he secured the crew, took one from a looter, secured it, then took the other away. He’s former Special Forces.
foxnews.com/us/seattle-security-guard-ar-15-rifle-rioter-stolen-smashed-police-cruiser
Anony Mee
Thanks for the info.
Thought I recognized that dismemberment of a beloved weapon.
Now wondering which SF group he left for the body guard position. Surprised usually there is another one somewhere in the vicinity, as they always work in pairs.
So Cal Gal
On twitter feeds, a newswoman claimed the man who took the AR away was her personal security guy. Looked legit.
One would think that, with all of the brilliant leaders and decision makers in the United States, at least one would suggest an idea to quell the current situation by nonviolent means.
Does anyone think these rioters care one rats rear-end about dead guy George Floyd?
How many thugs get shot, stabbed, beaten and killed every weekend in every large city in the US?
They don’t seem to care about them do they?
But then again, most of you already know this…
No, 99% do not care.
Hello all,
I follow Ken’s site, but rarely post. I do have a question to toss out. I live in Central Virginia. With the lockdowns I have noticed in the way of many fewer planes flying and the sky being more blue. Until today. The sky is full of plane traffic and their trails. I am wondering why the sudden BIG uptick of plane traffic. Has anyone else noticed?
I haven’t noticed that, the sky is very clear here, but for the last two or three days a big black military copter goes overhead once a day, moving north fast and low. I think I saw it first last Friday.
We just found out the reason. Troop deployment. All the flights have been east to west, a few north to south.
Farmer’s Daughter,
82nd Airborne Immediate Response Force and the 16th Military Police Brigade have been ordered to D.C.
I have a question for our LEO/former LEO members. I know that rifles and shotguns can be traced through the rifling marks on the bullets. pretty old technology, and works fairly well. here’s my question: can shot be traced back to a given shotgun by any means?? obviously not by marks on the shot, but maybe by chemical analysis of powder residue could shot be traced back to a given type of ammo? (or taggants like in explosives?) If this knowledge is classified, or not for public knowledge, I understand. Sorry, my miner brain is trying to take in all the firearm comments and this question popped into it. thank you in advance. I think you might see where I am going with this.
Minerjim,
Not a forensic expert, but I believe that would be close to impossible to do. Maybe trace the trace elements to a type of powder, maybe even a manufacturer and lot number. To an individual buyer or weapon? I don’t see that as plausible. As long as the user is tidy, not leaving shell cases or DNA behind, it would require other methods to identify an actor.
Dennis,
Thank you for the info. It is as I thought.
Ughh… Tired of all this crap news. Very sad to see where we as a country are headed.
My simple joy today was my chickens. How’re yours Ken? I had a question for others with these happy birds…. I have a room off the garage that I converted to a chicken house. Built some roosts and nesting boxes. It has a small ceiling fan with a light and I do have one plug I used to use for a heat lamp when they were small. My question is about cooling in the hot months. I let them range around during the day and they all go back home at night on their own. Does anyone have something they use to cool their chicken houses down? Do I need to worry about the hot nights of summer? I was thinking about mounting a fan to the wall for circulation but wasn’t sure if that would work.
Surprised how attached I’ve gotten, but they do make me smile all the time. Guess I want to keep them happy for when they start laying. DW thought I was nuts when I asked her about maybe putting a small AC unit one of the windows 🙂 Call me crazy, but I think everyone needs a bit of distraction from all the craziness while still keeping one eye on things.
DT
Double Tap
Our ex-neighbor put a swamp cooler in for his chickens during the summer time. His chicken house was super insulated for our area. We can range from 90’s to 115 degrees, sometime even hotter. Yes, you can lose them if it gets to hot, saw my dad lose them when it went beastly hot here.
DT,
Walmart has a small unit called Arctic Air, for about $45.00.
You might have to rig a gallon jug or something for supplemental water supply.
Double Tap, I cut 10-inch squares at the top of my coop walls on the north and south ends of the coop. Cover with pieces of ordinary window screen stapled on the wall. Let’s most hot air escape. If you open the coop doors during the day they allow air flow through the coop. I wouldn’t mess with any cooling systems. A fan is nice, and I will occasionally put a tiny one up on the rafters of the coop during the hottest and most humid part of the summer. Also, keep a full chicken waterer in there at all times (I place mine on a cement block turned sideways so it’s low to the floor but keeps the shavings out). Remember, chicken lungs are very delicate (which is why you should not use cedar shavings in a coop) and sensitive to any type of chemicals put out by machinery; plus I’m always more afraid of an electric fire in there (power surges and the like). And, those crazy birds can fly around banging into more things trying to establish dominance over a favorite roost, etc. The less ‘stuff’ in there the better, IMHO. Just food for thought.
Mr. received his letter saying he would get his stimulus dollars. This after it was deposited a couple of weeks ago. The MOST interesting part is it also had one of his ex wives name on the letter too AND what is really interesting, the ex wife has been dead for about 9 years…….
gives us an idea of how precarious the gov software is. scary huh?
And these are the people who want to do ALL vote-by-mail. What could possibly go wrong with that?
Western Rifle Shooters Association blog has been shut down. Another example of tech companies stiffling right wing views.
kevinH and all,
straightlinelogic.com has a message from WRSA on his site.
To whom it may concern:
Western Rifleshooters Association site has been suspended/removed from wordpress, in accordance with their terms of service.
Kind of an all over the place site, but sometimes had useful info.
Twitter is being heavily censored right now. I’m not a Twitter user normally, but I’ve been checking the feeds for intel about areas of concern to me. Before yesterday, there was a lot of info directly from violent elements about what was happening on the ground. Now, as soon as something pops up, it’s shortly removed. Not just from the agitator groups, but anyone posting info about goings on in real time – very spotty now. Frustrating.
Farmgirl –
This is exactly what they do in China. Exactly. It’s come to the point where I have to wonder if they invaded and took over the USA, how many would actually notice a difference.
tmcgyver
Maybe they very covertly and steadily are taking over. I can’t remember where I saw it, so you’ll have to do your own fact checking, but not long ago twitter got a new ‘monitor’, and she’s got ties to the CPP. So I guess I shouldn’t be surprised if it’s true.
T Mack
Its what communist do period
We received our stimulus debit card yesterday. It was utilized to buy an extra pair of Blauer boots, waterproof with the BOA lacing system for each of us. I love this boot….so comfy and the lacing system is easy on my hands, just click down and turn to lace up and pull out to loosen. I received my first pair from my son as a birthday gift (wonderful gift). Thank you taxpayers throughout this country!
Here I sit, broken hearted…… Where the hell are the angry rioters? Look up ‘suburb’ in the dictionary, and you’ll see an overview of my town. They keep promising to bring their tantrums to “da white hood”. Well – I’m waiting. Me and my precious Doberman/Shepard, who is also looking forlorn and stood up. I don’t hear any gunfire. I can’t even smell blunt smoke in the air. HELLO? Homies, Brothas and self-loathing whites…. where you is, foolios?
158g SJHP .357 Magnum is a decent defense round, right? Mushrooms right out, less worry about backstop? Guess I’ll run another patch cloth through it, then probably go to bed. This is boring.
I hear you tmc!
But we’re so far out of the “suburbs”, poor Mrs Red Dog Master is still waiting for Trick-Or-Treaters for the past 10 years or so! HA!
tmcgyver
They’re probably too busy right now brainstorming how to break into Saks. Plywood, chainlink, razorwire, armed security, and seven dogs, I think, german shepherds and pitbulls. I wonder how much those guys hire out for? Nah, I don’t have enough.
And how long will it be before we are asked to pass billion $ bonds to rebuild all this er ah “stuff”?
Goodnight McGyver. Get some sleep and I hope you do not have to use that hand cannon of yours. Shooting some one is a life changing experience…and not always in a good way. ( even if you are in a fully justified shoot.)
158 grain SJHP is a bit heavy and I would be fearful of over penetration in a neighborhood surrounded by drywall and wood or stucco exterior walls. If you can find ammo for sale, you may consider going to a 125 grain JHP. Kinda hard locating ammo these days.
Do not let the muzzle blast fool you, 357 mag is not a good stopping round for black bear. The black bear soaked up 5 rounds before it stopped trying to charge me. ( tried it once, have since upgraded to a 44 mag carbine and handgun for black bears.).
This was a malnourished black bear that had parasites and some badly healed injuries. It took to charging people and pack trains along a popular trail so…it had to go right away. this took place in the Sierras NorthEast of your suburban home in California in the 1980’s.
Well,
Matt Brackens Western Rifle Shooters is unavailable, appears it was suspended. Most likely by another leftist POS.
Its coming.
Better get clear where you stand and just how much you are willing to swallow and just how far you are willing to go for your beliefs.
Kulafarmer
Yup – mentioned this last night, probably after everyone went to bed. Straight Line Logic website has a message from him.
You can find them at Gab… Concerned American, whose site it was, has an account and a group there.
You can find WRSA at gabdotcom/wrsa. You can find a link for the 4G warfare book that probably got them censored at Bison Prepper, at the end of his current post.
Kulafarmer & Farmgirl
Lead story this morning on Fox Business news on the line which scrolls across the bottom of the screen was ‘Guns Sales are UP’. (aka rip roaring)
Acdh said was not sure when the article would come up for discussion. It was time to get a move on around this place, so he turned off the tv.
Antique Collector
I’m not at all surprised. Anyone paying any attention at all is seeing that the government doesn’t ‘save’ anyone.
A while back, I read somewhere some rules for living that I took to heart. Hard words, but motivating: No one is coming to save you. You are responsible for everything.
While I believe in giving and receiving support, and that these rules are about the physical world, living as if these two things are absolutely true will leave a person much better positioned than having just hope as a plan.
Gun store is open today, so I’m going to find out what the ammo situation is there.
AC/ACDH,
Stopped into the Sportsman’s Warehouse in Grand Junction on the way back from a work trip to Moab yesterday. Hmmmm. About 1/2 the pistols they normally have on display were gone, virtually no handgun ammo anyplace, except maybe a few oddball calibers, reloading components were down, powder was like 10%, primers the same. no defensive shotgun ammo, mostly shot size 7-1/2 and 8s. Glad I have what I need. (not that it will do me any good. all my firearms were lost into the Black Canyon on the Gunnsion when my hunting partner rolled the truck up there years ago. 🙂
minerjim
I got familiar with our local gunshop today. Small rural town, upper midwest. I asked about defensive shotgun ammo, and 9mm defensive rounds, knowing they are non-existent any place I checked on-line or in person. (I asked, only out of curiosity, mind you. Nasty things, guns. 😉 ) They had some! Both of the things! How wonderful for anyone looking for said ammo. Very nice and helpful proprietors.
Also, I learned something new about shotgun ammo. The owner explained that although it might seem crazy, these cute looking little No. 1 Buckshot 1 3/4″ shells he had would work perfectly fine in a pump-action 2 3/4″ bore shotgun. I did not know that, and now I do. I bet someone with a shot gun like that (pump action ONLY) would have fun trying that out.
I think they may have been closed during the Safer at Home time, and only just recently re-opened. Probably why they still have a lot of hard to find items.
Farmgirl,
Maybe the proprietor is smart and knows how and what to stock,,,,
Humor appropriate to the day:
So the rioters are now saying country boys are next.
You do realize country boys will sit 30 feet up in a tree, all day long, just to shoot something…
In the cold in the rain in the snow for weeks at a time!
Jaeger
Sounds like deer hunting season in Wisconsin. Opening day is usually when the really miserable weather starts.
ha ha ha ha ain’t the truth…..and get up in the freezing cold wet weather, hot weather, rattle snakes, poison ivy, rickety tree stand, yep was married to one of those long time ago…..
Mrs. U
I’ve never understood how they do it. It gets seriously cold up here, way below zero cold, and they’re out at o’dark thirty.
Farmgirl
You made my day!
Farmgirl –
Wait, what? They totally skipped the suburbs! I feel cheated.
tmcgyver
No worries, you can get ’em on their way back. They’ll be moving pretty fast though.
Farmgirl
R O W L,,,but darn you are not suppose to give that secret away.
Or 600m away
Dr. Marc Siegel speaking about the Covid 19 vaccine on Fox news this morning. I can not find it on line yet have been looking for an hour. Perhaps it will post later. VERY interesting, Very New way of making a vaccine. I do not mean to be vague. Will find and post eventually, hopefully. Set my ears on fire!
Jamie Dupree is reporting that VA governor Ralph Douchenozzle Northam has introduced plans to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee from Richmond. I hear crickets. Hello Dixie? Y’all still there? What the actual F is going on in this country right now? Sheer insanity.
I’m pretty well traveled, including numerous visits to every southern state. I did technical training, got to work face-to-face with local Class 8 technicians. Folks in the south seem to abide by a general code of conduct that I find appealing. I’ve often wondered on those visits, how things would have turned out, if the Confederacy had prevailed. Now I find myself wondering that once more.
TMac
It really is mind boggling.
Tmcgyver
As a cousin even if it is distant I find this reprehensible about removing his statue. He and the Confederacy are a part of our history. Destroy history, then their is nothing to look back on except the lock step that TPTB wish to place us under. mho
tmcgyver
Isn’t it part of the MO of revolutionaries to destroy all vestiges of the culture they are seeking to overthrow? I seem to recall reading about that happening in China, something about the 4 pillars. It occurred to me today that in addition to wiping out cultural markers of our nation’s history, the shutting down of churches further weakens people’s connection to their particular ‘tribes’. The only acceptable object for reverence is the state then. Got goosebumps thinking about that.
They didn’t skip the burbs here…search for BLM in Coeur d’Alene, ID on Monday 6/1..they came into town and were greeted by several hundred of our finest armed citizens bent on protecting our downtown business. Addition citizens were also stationed in various neighborhoods as an additional precaution…no riots no looting etc. God Bless America!