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  • car guy
    08/21/2019 at 11:46 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    North Woods It gives a sense of comfort to have a well stocked wood shed. The shop is all I heat with wood. I had a car load of guys come and split a bunch of wood for me. This will be the third winter for that wood pile. Thank God for kind people. Congrats to your step son on his sobriety.





  • Dennis
    08/21/2019 at 11:31 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    I'm a believer in knowing your history lest you repeat the same mistakes. There is a very good article over on Guns in the News dot com. down in the commentary section titled, Siege at Ruby Ridge: the ATF shootout that started a militia movement. Very good synopsis of what led up to it, what transpired, etc. Today is the anniversary of that event. You could save yourself from becoming entangled in the same mess the Weavers found themselves in. Ironically, the same methods used to go after Trump associates by entrapping them into minor violations of federal law in order to turn them into informants against their real targets were used on the Weavers. Good informative read in any case. Nothing new, but well laid out history.





  • Old lady
    08/21/2019 at 11:28 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    As I sit here in a restaurant waiting for my car to get fixed well on vacation I was reading your blog about cooking on alternative stoves. On vacation we always use our volcano stove. At the moment it is hot in our motorhome the cooler outside so all cooking is done on that stove. We can use wood, charcoal, or propane and it works fine. I wouldn't want to have to run with it as it's quite heavy but for stationary use it's great.





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/21/2019 at 10:40 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis, Severe T-storms can be unbelievably intense when it's right on top of you. Insane lightning and thunder 'bombs'. Plus there's sometimes the concern for a tornado in there. It's our turn in the northeast today. They're even saying a chance for a few "spin-up's", which is unusual up here. It's a matter of keeping an eye on the radar...





  • Dennis
    08/21/2019 at 10:25 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    One heck of a thunderstorm last night. Lots of thunder and lightning. Winds pushing hurricane strength. Storm had 3 hail cores, thankfully none passed over my place. Electricity flickered off and on a total of 7 times. but was just that, outages were never more than a few seconds. The electric co-op hired outside contractors early spring to cleanup all their right of ways. It seems it must have helped. Evidently no trees fell on any major supply lines despite the intense wind and lightning. Normally storms like we had would have resulted in at least a day without power. The saw crews came through my place the day before yesterday and ironically the cleanup crew had just started cleanup of limbs and debris left behind yesterday. They're back this morning finishing up. So much more efficient than the local boys who work for the co-op who were supposed to keep the right of ways clear.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    08/21/2019 at 10:20 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Papa Smurf: You mentioned something on the cooking post that I've often thought about and it's those old west cross shaped "murder holes" and I think that an upsidedown "T" might be better with the sighting system of the MSR. It will allow the above bore sight/dot/scope a better view but be able to swivel side to side while leaving the most material possible to protect the shooter. A second horizontal line might be needed for sight though. I prefer to shoot from inside the structure when being sneaky but in an all out I think these are still needed or at least a plan for them. Thoughts?





  • Papa Smurf
    08/21/2019 at 8:55 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    - One of the things that Texas Tech University has in Lubbock, Texas is the Ranching Heritage Center next door to the planetarium and the Art museum. There a number of original ranch houses, along with some of the outbuildings, including a springhouse, representing ranch life for as far back as ranching in Texas goes. That's almost 300 years. Most of the buildings moved there from their original sites had some provisions for outdoor cooking. Others were specially adapted for such things as fighting off Indian raiders (One is two story, with the upper story hanging over the lower story and “murder holes” in the outer upper-level floor. Along with no lower-level windows). Another is a “dog-run” cabin, really two small cabins joined with a covered breezeway, one of whose functions was as a covered semi-outdoor kitchen. It had facilities for an indoor kitchen as well, to use in colder weather. It’s interesting just to wander through there; better yet is to visit at a holiday time when they have reenactors playing the parts of the original residents, especially since one the more common tasks shown is preparing food. - Papa S.





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  • Bird Dog
    08/21/2019 at 8:46 AM
    The 10 C’s Of Survivability

    Mine also doubles as a parachute.





  • me2
    08/21/2019 at 7:40 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    DAMedinNY thus my interest in Strawbox or Retained Heat Cooking. Bring that pot to a boil with a rocket stove and a few sticks, lid it, carefully transfer it to the thermal cooker and your NO extra Energy Slow Cooker does the rest. As far a Bugs and Heat if you cook in a screened summer kitchen WITH a Grape Vines Lattice for shade and evaporative cooling it's quite an improvement. Not quite like AC but pretty nice. Gazebo's used to be Wealthy Peoples AC back then with vining plants providing shade and evaporative cooling just like being in a breezy clump of trees. With proper screens and hammocks I bet they would pass for a good bedroom.





  • me2
    08/21/2019 at 7:33 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Papa Smurf YES you DO! I wonder if we are somehow related friend. Good Morning to all! Rejoice in what is good because all the nasty will show up with out you looking for it. To keep this on topic subject is Summer Kitchens OR WHY you should buy screen repair-replacement material NOW. Pre-AC smart folks cooked outdoors and indeed Harvest Kitchens were best done outdoors due to vast amounts of processing and hot steam flooding the inside kitchen. I can salvage wood and old nails but seldom do I find screen material salvageable to keep those darn bugs out. THINK what our pre-AC forefathers would have LOVED to have. Screen materials, Plastic sheeting, duct tape, the list can grow. These things are CHEAP today. Things I cannot make or make do with out once a LOUD Bang shatters my Pre-SHTF lifestyle AND my nice Windows. Off to Lowes I go, have a blessed day! Oh Blue BE nice to NRP, he still loves ya! NRP your in my prayers.





  • poorman
    08/21/2019 at 7:27 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    me2 Never really thought about baking in a thermal cooker but your right it should work fine. Guess I'm going to have to try it now. Damn like I didn't have enough to do LOL





  • DAMedinNY
    08/21/2019 at 7:18 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    We had out of town family here for a visit and dinner was at our home last night. The family absolutely loved the American Guinea Hog steaks and chops that we did on the grill! Served with that were gold potatoes dig s few weeks ago, corn on the cob and fresh veggies do sausage stuffing with banana peppers. Most everyone had seconds. The entire meal could have been cooked outside, but I opted to do some on the gas stove top and oven. By the way, it was extremely hot and buggy - tons of them biting! Was grateful for the AC and thought about how tough it will be when things go sideways.





  • DAMedinNY
    08/21/2019 at 7:10 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    And it seems like crock pots use a lot of energy so I would not plug and play with those.





  • Grey
    08/21/2019 at 6:34 AM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Bogan, covered all the bases, well said especially the last paragraph. Processing wood can fatigue you quickly.. We (daughter, son-in-law, DW and I) did some winter busted tree felling, chunking, hauling and loading all day. Many breaks, water with specific roles; cutter, trimmer, helper, haulers. Chucking brush into piles to prevent tripping. Big saw, limbing saw, pole saw, maul, wedges, the whole enchilada of gear. Called a halt after six hours, everybody was gassed. Beats goat yoga for exercise.





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  • Just Sayin'
    08/21/2019 at 3:49 AM
    Borax Uses and Multi-Purpose Cleaner

    Mike, DE , Diatomaceous Earth can be used to kill ticks. apply liberally , after a heavy dew' or misting area- using one of old style garden dusters is ideal.... Wait 7-14 days ( depending on cycle of what you wish to kill)and treat again, repeat one more time at same interval. DE is non toxic, safe for man and animals.t can be used to de worm animals..from chickens, rabbits,goats, horses. and man/woman and child. It kills worms by piercing their body with micro sized holes... It desiccates them. also kills roaches., fleas. We once had tick infestation outside back door so bad they were crawling up the walls of steel building. One treatment took care of it...It does take a few days, is relatively cheap. Repeated to make sure there were not nymphs unhatched.





  • Just Sayin'
    08/21/2019 at 3:20 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    "Thoughts on recession".. it does not matter what name it goes by, if i prevents you from doing what you should be doing, from living the life you should be living. Prices are inflating. Part of it is supply and demand, much of it is manipulated. Our chore as we prepare for any future we have on earth is to provide the best level of us thriving, with the fiat currency we have available. It means we must use every$$ wisely. Buying goods made in our country and our nearest neighbors is one way of boosting our economy, and upholding as much as possible our closest associates. Avoiding products made in "states "that are showing themselves " less than friendly" also helps our economy by reducing our deficits with them. Keep on Keeping on. Spend your funds wisely. Put something back for a rainy, cold day. Winter is coming and it may well be very long.





  • Calirefugee
    08/21/2019 at 12:15 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Spice for pumpkin pie filling: cinnamon, clove and nutmeg. Adjust ingredients to taste. This used to be used in pancake batter back in the day until Starbucks went ape-sh#t with it and put it in darn near everything. Still, it was good trick to teach moms of fussy eaters to get their kids to eat pancakes.





  • Stairwayt0heaven
    08/20/2019 at 10:59 PM
    How Long Will Our Democracy Last?

    I think the war cycle needs to be factored in as well. 4 generations or roughly 80 years between. It may end up being a civil war to stop socialism or a global event.





  • Papa Smurf
    08/20/2019 at 10:18 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    - To quote NRP, who is still out there somewhere lurking with Blue - Hey! I resemble that remark! LOLOL! - Papa S.





  • me
    08/20/2019 at 10:03 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Timely, had GD using small Ryobi 10" saw today. Wearing chaps with empty pocket and thinking I do need to fill that pocket. Links Ken? I'll order from Amazon.





  • Bogan
    08/20/2019 at 9:41 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Nice article Ken. An ounce of prevention equipment wise is also a good idea: - Decent Kevlar chaps - Stihl makes the best set I am aware of. I've had a chain bite into mine a couple times - could have turned out REALLY badly. Spend the money on quality, your legs and family jewels will thank you. - Safety helmet with visor and ear protection - Steel toed boots - long sleeve thick shirt buttoned down (sort of a mini chap for your arms) Yeah, its blazing hot especially in warm weather, but better than getting wacked and bleeding out. Another safety thing I have found over the years is the mental aspect: take it slow, steady and deliberate. Pace yourself. Always line up the bar on the log so its straight forward. Keep your legs out of the way when limbing, Hydrate. etc. Consider in advance how to handle torsion cuts. Always preplan an exit in case the chunk of wood falls in a place other than you expect. As soon as you feel yourself rushing on to the next thing, or twisting our contorting your body to make a cut: STOP. Gather your senses and proceed diligently.





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  • Thor1
    08/20/2019 at 9:37 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    This also applies to using a machete or going to a gun range or hunting, never go without a first aid kit or gun shot kit. The life you save might be your own.





  • Thor1
    08/20/2019 at 9:30 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Of course alternate fuel sources can be used to cook which is great, especially something that is replaceable like wood. Solar power can also be used as a 1000w stove eye or microwave oven. Solar ovens too. Renewable sources are the way too go for long term.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    08/20/2019 at 9:06 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Poorman I’ve got a similar oven that just sets down on the stove. The kind I got ain’t made no more though. It works great for biscuits and stuff. Never baked bread but don’t see why ya couldn’t.





  • me2
    08/20/2019 at 8:53 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Sorry tired but forgot to mention a great way to reduce cooking time and thus fuel usage. Add a pot skirt to your pots. A great way to use your Tin Snips and empty #10 cans. Think of it as a Chimney guiding ALL the heat from your stove around that pot. Found it in the Low Tech Magazine webpage. I think right now as new material gets added it's page 5 or so back. Also talks about Thermal Cooking in that article. Warning Low Tech and it's sister No Tech can be addictive especially for Papa Smurf I bet :-) If you Google Pot Skirt you'll find Ecozoom sells them for their excellent wood cookers. If you can use a tin snip with out harming yourself recycle your empty #10 cans. If you ask your favorite Restaurant I bet they would give you a few. Goodnight all, may the peace of God fill your home with joy.





  • me2
    08/20/2019 at 8:34 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Poorman you know you can bake in a Thermal Cooker? Details vary but look around. I've had good results with cornbread muffins (tasted great with the Chili also in that same Thermal Cooker). I've seen steamed bread recipes but have not tried them yet. When things go sidewise time will be short with lots to do, fuel and food supplies limited. Learning how to do a few good Thermal Cooking Recipes can save you time, cooking fuel and you never can burn your food in them. I will have to make a batch of chili and corn bread this weekend and smell to see if it's OPSEC useful in reducing cooking smells. The Jalapenos in that Chili will tell (or should I say smell) the tale. :-)





  • NORTH WOODS
    08/20/2019 at 8:24 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    First I would like to say to Peanut Gallery that my heart goes out to you ! As a believer that thing's are going to go sideways and I am also loseing the use of my left hand due to old service injuries I decided to increase my wood supply. I purchased three cords and cut two more to go with the two and a half I already had! Not bad for a sixty nine year old! Can't claim all the credit, my oldest step son and his I hope future wife helped a lot. This allows me the comfort of about three years of heat and time to add to or purchase more. Have to brag a little about step son. He had a drinking problem that was a family problem, l counseled him for some time that as I had the same issue total abstinence was his best way out. Well I an happy to say he is now a former drinker and happy to be alcohol free! Along with the firewood I have been adding to my preps as I can afford to. Ken, can not thank you enough for keeping the blog going! Hope we all get thru without much problems God bless us all!





  • poorman
    08/20/2019 at 8:23 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Colman makes a propane oven. I have seen them but never seen one used. the only thing I would worry about baking would be bread and I can do that with a dutch oven





  • poorman
    08/20/2019 at 8:20 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    pressure cooker would be one way to keep it down. As some have commented using a thermal cooker would at least keep it to a minimum. BBQ is really not a great idea and neither is a fire pit as both waste a lot of fuel and don't work very efficient ( try boiling water on your grill). In a true long term grid down situation we will all be eating a lot of things like soup and stews so the thermal cooker sounds like the best option for that.





  • Bluesman
    08/20/2019 at 7:08 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis, We grow a squash, sweet meat, that makes great pumpkin pie. They are great baked and drizzled in butter as well , wonderful flavor.





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/20/2019 at 6:43 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    SthrnRebel, I appreciate that you have been hear for 'years'. Thank you. And welcome to the comment section. Thanks for your input.





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/20/2019 at 6:41 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    You're right, NRP. Complacency, normalcy bias, needs to be consciously recognized where appropriate. Easier said than done...





  • Kulafarmer
    08/20/2019 at 6:14 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis, When i do pumpkin pies i usually use some nice sweet kabocha squash, way better flavor than pumpkin, we use the recipe off the sweetened condensed milk,





  • Dennis
    08/20/2019 at 6:01 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Just so everyone knows (I'm sure most do, but just in case), pumpkin spice is just the combination of spices that make pumpkin pie taste like what we've grown accustomed to. There is no pumpkin in pumpkin spice. Pumpkin itself is just about as bland as bland can be. Innovative cooks developed the combination of spices that make it more palatable. Personally, I prefer sweet potatoes combined with these spices for pies.





  • car guy
    08/20/2019 at 6:01 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    I am mildly allergic to bees so I carry Benadryl in all of my first aid kits.





  • Bluesman
    08/20/2019 at 5:42 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Great reminders on using a chainsaw. As many have stated , accidents happen in a split second.Have the first aid stuff and know how to use it and make sure your helper knows how as well.





  • Kulafarmer
    08/20/2019 at 5:42 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Hey bud, hope you are doing better,,, 😎🤙🏻





  • Kulafarmer
    08/20/2019 at 5:40 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Bluesman My favorite is the tandor cooker out of india, of course i wont be using dung as fuel but they are a great way to cook kebabs and stuff





  • D B Cooper
    08/20/2019 at 5:15 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    A guy I know who has years of experience had his saw kick back and almost take his head off while he was up in a bucket luckily he was wearing a harness and a buddy of his went with him at the last minute Only takes a second for it all to go to hell





  • D B Cooper
    08/20/2019 at 4:51 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Here’s one for the world we live in today Akron Ohio A man and woman went to the grocery store and loaded a cart up and walked out w/out paying. Store employee followed them out and they turned a couple pit bulls loose and they bit the guy in the groin





  • D B Cooper
    08/20/2019 at 4:45 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Saw it on the shelf at Walmart on Sunday





  • Bluesman
    08/20/2019 at 4:37 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Once upon a time on a trip to Honduras I noticed that the traditional cooking platform was waist high, made of cinder block and filled with dirt. They would use wood pieces and/or briquets .They used small bricks and grates to elevate pots and pans above the heat. On one occasion the ladies cooked a 45# grouper on this platform . It was stuffed with rice and peppers and wrapped in large damp leaves. Coals were heaped on it . It was delicious. Third world countries are a great place to look for creative ideas on a very small budget.





  • Mrs. USMCBG
    08/20/2019 at 4:18 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    I watched the Chernobyl series about 2-3 months ago and it was very informative. The Ruskies of course denied the series validity and blamed it on the American CIA. If you get a chance to watch it, do.





  • SthrnRebel
    08/20/2019 at 3:45 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Never commented before in years of reading, I noticed a few mention 2 burner kerosene stoves & Coleman fuel camp stoves, for what its worth...Lehman's sells Oven that fits both these stove types and They Work Well! Smaller Oven fits on 1 of 2 burner gas stove & temp regulated 2-600dgrs by adjusting flame height, Much larger close to full size Oven for 2 burner Kerosene stove bit trickier but doable temp regulation with practice/experience and multiple dishes can be cooked at same time. Saw Kerosene Heater cooking mentioned too, also Very doable, have done many pan,pot types meals on 1 and biscuits in a pot w/lid by removing top cover & lowering pot bottom 3"ish into heater, makes a very hot fast dutch oven type cooker so stay right on top of it or you get charcoal briquettes instead of biscuits. This is on the round type 20-22,000ish but kerosene heater. An adjustable height grill like cook top can be easily homemade to move cook surface higher/lower to increase/decrease heat to pan/pot being used. For what its worth.





  • NRP
    08/20/2019 at 3:42 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    A good "reminder" article Ken. Especially with the Fall/Winter wood gathering season upon us soon. If I may borrow one of your quotes; "It is WAY TOO EASY to become COMPLACENT!" How friggen real is that???? Not only with a Chain Saw but in 99.99% of what we do everyday. Seriously, how many people are injured or even are killed from simply tripping on something and falling, how about falling down a flight of stairs, how about on Ice?. You name it, almost anything/everything we do in "normal" life becomes complacent and we "can" and do get injured from it. We ALL need to be careful and be prepared to administer aid if/when needed. Just think on if a family member was injured and you did not have the resources or knowledge to help and you watched them "bleed out" from a Chainsaw Accident........ Or a bee sting and they were allergic to it --- Ken.





  • Lauren
    08/20/2019 at 3:26 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    They don't care about the numbers. It's all to get votes from the idiots who can't run calculators.





  • Lauren
    08/20/2019 at 3:14 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Real world. Some idiot judge a few years ago (I think it was in New Yawk or New Joisy or something like that :) ) told a company that was going bankrupt that they weren't allowed to close because it would put too many Union employees out of work. I never heard what happened, it dropped from the news after one story. After the Great Depression the .gov made laws about when and how a depression could be declared, and what would happen afterward. That now takes an act of Congress, and among other things would put an immediate stop to all foreclosures. Like many other well intentioned laws, it backfires consistently and regularly. Notice that what happened in 2008 was never declared as a depression? It became a "Deep economic contraction." How deep do you think the contraction would have to go before Congress declared a depression? I'm guessing you'd need a submarine to get that deep. And you can have your thunder back. I'll never get that smell out of the car :)





  • Anony Mee
    08/20/2019 at 3:00 PM
    Why Are The Triggerable Snowflakes Triggered So Easily? So Intolerant?

    Lauren you are spot on. Had a boss once that would clench her fists and literally stomp her feet at you if she was unhappy with an answer from advisors. That three year old playing dress up tea party with her dollies had absolutely no idea how to work with let alone manage professional adults.





  • Mrs. USMCBG
    08/20/2019 at 2:57 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    limited quantities, now that is no surprise :-)





  • Lauren
    08/20/2019 at 2:55 PM
    Why Are The Triggerable Snowflakes Triggered So Easily? So Intolerant?

    No place for hate UNLESS you wrongspeak, or wrongthink, or have wrongfun. Then it's game on and no holds barred.





  • Chevy
    08/20/2019 at 2:54 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    I hope I've learned not to post when I'm half awake; I have no idea what I was talking about there, it isn't even my writing style using slashes instead of commas, spaces, sentence structure etc.





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/20/2019 at 2:45 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    So I just got back to the house. Mission accomplished. The leaning trees in that area are now down, cut into ~4 foot lengths, and inconspicuously stacked. The QuikClot and Israeli Bandage remain sealed in their packets. Mrs.J was with me, the ATV driver and hauling assistant. Do you know what the worst thing was? I got stung by a stinkin bee! Dang that hurt! Right on my ear. Oh well. Hazards of life.





  • JBL
    08/20/2019 at 2:26 PM
    Why Are The Triggerable Snowflakes Triggered So Easily? So Intolerant?

    That's Gen Z for you. I wonder what will happen when Gen Z grows up into their 30's? "He called me stupid! Arrest him!" I blame the PC's and Liberal's "no place for hate-accept everyone-rainbows and unicorn farts will save the world, etc"





  • me2
    08/20/2019 at 2:08 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Smiling, Hey! Lauren you stole my thunder! Chuckling. You know I remember doing some reading on who became wealthy in post WW1 Germany during the Chaos between the Communists and the Nazi's before Hitler came into power and effectively nationalized everything. Even in Chaos the well connected can make more money. A Businessman with ties to Railways and Steel Production KNEW that the Government was about to print a LOT more money and could Borrow Money cheaply today to expand his business and repay it in much cheaper devalued Marks later. He Bought PRODUCTIVE Assets that had the ability to raise prices for inflation with effectively depreciating fiat Money. For the common German, the German Mark was so over printed to "Pay" for the War Reparations that a true story follows: A manager was paid his weekly wages (A Wheel Barrel Full) but couldn't get to the bank before it closed. He figured it was so worthless he left it outside for the night. The next day the money was there BUT they stole his wheelbarrow. Farmers were paid by the wealthy in China Dish sets and Silverware for sacks of potatoes. The farmer had to smuggle in the sacks of potatoes by hiding it in a wagon full of straw WITH an easily Found Basket of Apples for the searching Police-Soldiers to "Find". Food scarcity was the real deal when a inflationary recession-depression occurs. The farmer cannot afford to grow and sell food because the "Value" of the Money gained drops so fast. Same with all things we use daily like Toilet Paper and soap. As a side note I was visiting my garden this morning admiring the potatoes. You know I could easily SEE them hidden inside an Flower Bed in plain view. They look as nice as most bedding plantings thusly. Most non-gardeners know only to LOOK for food in Garden beds. Part of my preps today I picked up 100 bars of Ivory Soap. At 3.97 per 10 pack at Wal-mart that's about 40 cents each and now they are inside a pair of 5 gallon buckets. Still more space in there so maybe off to get more? They never go bad, just need to be protected from water and mice until needed. I wonder what I can trade a few of them for when things get inflationary?





  • Kulafarmer
    08/20/2019 at 1:55 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    The big Eucs are fun, most varieties have what they call brittle heart, it is exactly what it sounds like, your hinge isnt always going to act like you think it will, My favorite was taking down some big trees on the sde of a hill, first one went down not bad, a bit harder than i would have liked, caused a shake in the trunk (cracks) the second one was about 50 yards uphill from the first, about 60’ higher elevation, that tree just exploded on impact, sent chunks flying everywhere including right back towards me, was quite the sight seeing my friend who wanted to come along that day, his eyes were wide and he was shaking,,,fun stuff all the “free wood” as i used to have people tell me, never mind the half a million dollars in equipment it took to move, haul and process it.....,





  • lc smith
    08/20/2019 at 1:47 PM
    US Nuclear Target Map

    Relax Bard! It's 3 years later and you're still ok.





  • Dennis
    08/20/2019 at 1:22 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Ken, horse, The average modern gas cooking range draws 3-4 amps while oven is operating. Watts= amps x voltage, or watts= 3 amps x 120 volts to watts = 4 amps x 120 volts or 360 watts to 480 watts to operate. For what it's worth when planning for grid down use of a modern gas range.





  • Calirefugee
    08/20/2019 at 1:01 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Ken: Thank you for the safety reminder for those going into the woods this summer and fall. I will not cut trees alone anymore using a chain saw. I am also cautious on who I let use the chainsaw because there are those people who use poor judgement everyday. (These are the folks who will lose or break the tools you loan them.). Those people who break things or get the saw blade pinched in a cut were delegated to be swampers. ( people who lift and move branches and rounds of wood.) If there is a member of your group that resembles what I just described, they are best off not using the chainsaw. A person using the chainsaw must have respect for the tool as well as examining the problem at hand ( like a leaning hazard tree ). A good sawyer will take a few minutes to walk around the problem and decide where to cut and what type of cut. I still use a plumb-bob to determine subtle lean the slope of a hill. Eucalyptus trees were especially dangerous because the branches will not support the weight of a sawyer climbing up in order to top it or limb it. If the base diameter was too big for the saw blade, we called in a professional crew because few people have the resources to keep on hand: a dump truck, wood chipper, and a crane to start limbing the tree prior to dropping the trunk. I have worked as part of a crew in SoCal in my younger years. It was a good supplemental job to seasonal firefighting. ( fight fire in summer season/cut back brush and create fire corridors in the winter season.)





  • car guy
    08/20/2019 at 1:00 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    The legs rusted off of one of our charcoal grilles. I have a forge made from a brake drum that I use as a base for that grille. The ability to adapt and improvise are very important to survival and every day life.





  • aka
    08/20/2019 at 12:58 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    also had to give 2 personal references when I opened my current account and this was at a credit union





  • FYI
    08/20/2019 at 12:53 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Yep. Aka and bluesman. You are correct. I tried explaining this to my mother. She thought I was Looney. So I told her to go the bank and tell them she was closing an account. And wanted it in cash. They refused. Bank managers came out their office. Phone calls were about to be made etc. She made quite a scene. She stills thinks I am a bit Looney. But not stupid. Lol





  • Anony Mee
    08/20/2019 at 12:46 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Wood burning stoves in house and barn. Inherited a dual fuel wood/propane cast iron stove when DFM upgraded off-grid cabin. Conserving fuel using retained heat method in a box of old blankets. Thinking building a well-insulated outdoor pizza oven might be prudent. With pigs now am looking forward next year to cooking a whole pig in the ground. Wonder if that would work for other meats like fish or chicken.





  • Timberplot
    08/20/2019 at 12:43 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Thanks for the linked articles and info.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    08/20/2019 at 12:32 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Good stuff





  • Calirefugee
    08/20/2019 at 12:30 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Kulafarmer: It was a mixed heritage group of fire fighters so...they liked to mix it up a little. I was the only asian guy so I was referred to as "Hop Sing" by the white guys. (in reference to the old tv show: Bonanza) Over 1/2 the crew was of Mexican heritage so we actually ate a lot of Mexican food. Burritos filled with cold meats were a common trail food. The most rice I have seen served within a firehouse was San Francisco Fire Dept where there were many 2nd generation Chinese working as firemen. I have been told that the New York Fire Department firehouses there is a lot of Italian food being served.





  • Neighbor
    08/20/2019 at 12:09 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Chevy, I think it would be bad for the rubber long-term. In this instance, the rubber was already cracked and I needed a quick fix to stop the gas leak. Once I was home I cleaned off all of the Vaseline and replaced the ring with a fresh one.





  • Lauren
    08/20/2019 at 12:09 PM
    Why Are The Triggerable Snowflakes Triggered So Easily? So Intolerant?

    I saw a kid actually do this a while back. They were doing a lemonade stand, all standing out there smiling and trying to get people to the side of the road to buy their lemonade. A truck passed without slowing. One of the kids had an absolute meltdown, screaming at the driver, literally stomping his foot and waving his fist. I could tell he was hamming it, but it doesn't matter. I walked over there and read him the riot act about what I would do if a business owner or employee acted like that in a real store. He was just making faces and laughing at me, but I could see the other kids absorbing it. Especially the one who is serious about making his own money. What they learn as appropriate behavior as children is what they will take with them into adulthood, unfortunately. This kid's siblings behave the same, and their parents dismiss it as "just being kids."





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/20/2019 at 12:09 PM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Kulafarmer, I used to live on the west coast where the Eucalyptus trees were HUGE. Incredibly dangerous. Plus they are highly flammable!





  • Kulafarmer
    08/20/2019 at 11:57 AM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    A pair of kevlar chainsaw chaps is a good investment, gloves too, they now have some less clunky arborist gloves that work well, The quick clot is indispensable, The biggest issue i had when felling trees was stuff flying out of the canopy from other trees as the one i cut was going down, But then again i was cutting down big eucalyptus trees, usually 36" or bigger at the butt so the canopy was up there a ways, scary stuff





  • Kulafarmer
    08/20/2019 at 11:53 AM
    Chainsaw and Emergency Medical Trauma Kit Should Always Go Together

    Thanks Ken,,, 😎🤙🏻 It happens fast, takes a moment to register





  • aka
    08/20/2019 at 11:41 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    They can also do a SAR if you repeatedly try to take just under the 10,000. Basically anything "they" deem suspicious they can delve into- even a big deposit. Example: you deposit 15,000 because your going to buy something. They will hold that money for however long it takes to decide that it is legit.





  • Lauren
    08/20/2019 at 10:27 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    And don't forget that brainiac judge who tells the farmers that they CAN'T stop producing and tries to force them to work for nothing. No seed potatoes for you, and you can't reduce your quota...





  • Bluesman
    08/20/2019 at 10:26 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    FYI, I may be wrong but I think the $10,000 cash activity at the bank means the bank must report the activity to the IRS. The SAR can be done by anyone at the bank who wants to ruin your day or is suspicious of you. Your account is usually frozen and the bank is forbidden to tell you what they are doing . An aquaintence went through an SAR at his bank, he did nothing illegal . Some banks also have an internal red flag alert when you do a $ 3,000 cash withdrawal. Perhaps banks are not our friend. The trouble is in todays world a bank is an integral part of our lifestyle.





  • Kulafarmer
    08/20/2019 at 10:18 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Calirefugee,,, Teriyaki with mashed potatoes? Thats almost sacrilege,, Rice,,,, nice sticky white rice!





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/20/2019 at 9:35 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    I was thinking about that too. I believe the ignitor coils in my oven draw a few hundred watts. FYI, a electricity usage meter (such as this one) is advisable for checking this sort of thing. Related article: How to Measure Power Consumption





  • Dennis
    08/20/2019 at 9:20 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Horse, I'm curious about the 50w inverter to heat the igniter on your range. Have you tested it to make sure it will handle the task? I ask, only because having replaced those igniters before, those I replaced were of much higher wattage than 50w. Not doubting it works on your particular range, but if you've not tested your plan, you might give it a try to make sure. No doubt 50w would handle the spark for the top burners, but the igniter on the oven burners doubles as a heater for the thermocouple that releases the gas and made of high resistance tungsten that gets cherry red hot to perform it's task.





  • Chevy
    08/20/2019 at 9:10 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Neighbor: (an alias I was once considering) wouldn't the Vaseline corrupt the rubber? For a short term fix, but I wouldn't put it on a good ring.





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/20/2019 at 8:51 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    horse, My LP stove/oven is similar. The stove top will light no problem without electricity. The oven though would require it. Good idea regarding the inverter (12v battery converted to 120VAC) for temporary use. Fortunately in my case I've got solar power to get me through.





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/20/2019 at 8:47 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Rough Rider, "We’ll build a pole barn, screen it in, add frig, freezer, deep sinks, tables, propane burners, smoker/grill, and fire pit outside." That sounds nice! Don't forget those screens to keep the "Deep South" skeeters and bugs out!





  • Calirefugee
    08/20/2019 at 12:43 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Probably the best training to maintain a clean kitchen and clean up after yourself is to live and cook in a kitchen within bear country. Black bears have a sense of smell better than that of most dogs. In my cabin, I cleaned with ammonia or windex after cooking something that was sweet, gooey or savory like BBQ ribs and chocolate chip cookies. This step was in addition to washing with dishwashing soap and hot water. Garbage was in bags and taken out each night. On trail patrol the following day (s) often meant eating leftovers for lunch on the first day out. ( teriyaki marinated flank steak with mash potatoes and green beans was popular.). I would cook for several days worth of meals when I did turn on the range, the oven and light up the grill. Trail lunches were typically no-fire/cold lunches. I never was able to cut down on cooking smell if you are going to be slow roasting a big turkey or grilling a lot of meat. Our solution: Post others out there for guard duty while you do the cooking. I used to boost morale by serving the people on guard duty the longest first. Seconds are available after everybody got their first serving. Working in the kitchen got me out of a lot of sh!t detail. I was always told to knock off work early so I could get dinner started.





  • Kulafarmer
    08/20/2019 at 12:27 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Really good reading on woodpile this week





  • Papa Smurf
    08/20/2019 at 12:10 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    - Or you can use the boiling water for preparing ramen and such. - Papa





  • Chevy
    08/20/2019 at 12:02 AM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    You have to consider what you're cooking; fried eggs/fish/ potatoes or rice, bacon or pasta. They all require different arrangements.





  • Papa Smurf
    08/19/2019 at 11:37 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    - If you must cook and have no other way to control odors: Use instant coffee. Nothing will attract trouble like the smell of coffee brewing. This is a good time to use canned goods. Peel the label, unless you like paper soup, place the unopened can in a pot of cold water deep enough to cover, or mostly cover, the can. Heat the water with the can to boiling, remove the can carefully with tongs or whatever you need or have. Open and eat. Just assure that the can does not boil dry; a dry can on a fire will explode. If you are careful, the water can either be placed into your canteen or used for hot instant tea or coffee Perfect? No, but it will reduce the smell of cooking to just that of the fire. Hope this helps. - Papa S.





  • Papa Smurf
    08/19/2019 at 11:14 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    - Misspoke above. Started learning with Mom's cast iron at age nine. Started getting my own cast iron at age fourteen. - Papa





  • Papa Smurf
    08/19/2019 at 11:07 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    -me2, Actually, I have a satellite dish and some of those printers' aluminum plates around, just haven't put them together. I also have a couple of the large Fresnel lenses stashed around the house. Those seem to get pretty hot, too. One thing west Texas is not normally short of is sunlight. What it is, is a way to keep an inquiring mind out of trouble. The Strawbox is a very effective way to keep heat in and turn whatever pot into a slow cooker. I will play with it at some time. Just haven't yet. I do agree, firewood is too much work to use if not needed. Evacuated glass tubes? I remember how attractive panes of plain old window glass are to rocks/slingshots/.22 bullets. I probably won't spend that money anytime soon. - Papa





  • Ken Jorgustin
    08/19/2019 at 10:58 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Grump, Thanks for posting. It’s good to think about "odor" opsec... - cook indoors Otherwise, a few thoughts include: - cook lower temp vs. hot and smokey - use pot with cover/lid when possible while avoiding excessive heat - be aware of foods that will put off more odors than others (meats vs. veggies or simply heating pasta, etc.) - be aware of wind direction - don’t cook outdoors when nearby opsec is a particular concern





  • Kulafarmer
    08/19/2019 at 10:24 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    11HE9 Thats a crack up,,, I wonder what it tastes like? Going to have to watch for it... 😎





  • Bluesman
    08/19/2019 at 10:23 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    me2, An indoor wood stove helps to keep odors indoors. Kerosene cook stoves are designed to be used indoors. Canned soups, pork & beans, corned beef hash, etc. can be eaten cold or warmed up. Boiling water for Ramen soups or MRE's doesn't make much odor.





  • Kulafarmer
    08/19/2019 at 10:23 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Dont! Seriously, if its going to be a problem better to totally minimize with stuff you dont need to cook or that takes minimal heating,





  • Dennis
    08/19/2019 at 10:10 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Cook downwind of your enemies. Post guards downwind from your cook fire in case you misjudged your friends.





  • me2
    08/19/2019 at 9:58 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    With all the knowledge we share on this site can anybody chime in on HOW to Reduce Cooking Smells??? Could literally be a lifesaver





  • Bluesman
    08/19/2019 at 9:57 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    We have a propane range for cooking , but no power means no oven, with a 5 year propane supply. We have the usual camp stoves , bar-b -q's and a volcano unit that uses wood , propane or briquets . Also have dutch oven cookware and our winter heat source is a wood stove that we can cook on as well.





  • me2
    08/19/2019 at 9:53 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Papa Smurf why an I NOT Surprised you built a solar cooker? Wish I knew how to make a Laughing Face. A well build parabolic is a powerful tool. Around 300 watts per square meter with near perfect reflectivity and that is focused on the bottom of your cooking pan. I have used those flexible aluminum plates that printers use and recycle today as reflectors. Pretty cheap (I "Paid" a 6 pack of beer for a lot of them) and they are long lasting/easy to polish back up for next seasons use. I recycled an old Satellite Dish for mine. Smoked a couple of old aluminum pots before figuring out the proper focal point. DO operate it from behind and rotate it facing the earth when not in use, safer and saves weathering of the aluminum plate reflectors. Take a look at GoSun webpage for a portable version using Borosilicate Glass Evacuated tube technology. A Thermos with a solar reflector heating it up. With a good parabolic and a Strawbox retained heat cooker you'd only need 10-15 minutes of good sunshine to boil that pot and get the "Slow Cooker" effect going. Or we COULD use the Original Solar Collector "Trees" and Burn that "Saved" Solar Energy in our Rocket Stoves and such. However what do they say about heating with wood? Warms you twice? Add to that cutting trees with out a gasoline chainsaw, hauling that wood to your home and splitting etc. I plan to be very thrifty with my firewood supplies. A LOT of Work building up those cords of firewood TODAY and I have a gasoline chainsaw and a gasoline pick up truck etc.





  • Bluesman
    08/19/2019 at 9:50 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Welcome Grump, Good reminder on traveling food odors. A lot of what we have set aside just needs warming not a prolonged cooking time .





  • Rough Rider
    08/19/2019 at 9:35 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    We are closing on the new property (Deep South and near relatives) on Wednesday. One thing we are planning is an outdoor kitchen. We'll build a pole barn, screen it in, add frig, freezer, deep sinks, tables, propane burners, smoker/grill, and fire pit outside. This article and accompanying comments are inspirational! Me2, I liked the Strawbox idea, too.





  • me2
    08/19/2019 at 9:33 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Jane Foxe I am pretty sure you were kidding? The problem with "Free Money" is it is an automatic trip into INFLATION land. TANSTAAFL is real = There Ain't No Such Things As A Free Lunch The easy way to look at it is more dollars chasing that pound of potatoes. At first glance a great feeling. Pretty soon that "Extra" 1000.00 per person per month means every dollar you have including your employment, retirement-disability pay, savings and retirement accounts is worth even less. So you spend more of those worth-less (note spelling) dollars to buy the Next pound of Potatoes. Fixed Income folks get REALLY Screwed as even Wet Dog Food goes up in price..... Seniors forced to decide between needed medicine, power bills, rent and food really happened during the 70's Inflation event. Frankly it's happening now just a little bit hidden by the use of Credit Cards and other tricks like "Reverse Mortgages" where you PAWN your Home for cash to live on today. Then some Socialist Brainiac decides to LIMIT the Profits of those Greedy Potato Farmers by SETTING Prices to discover the Farmer cannot afford to produce those potatoes because those extra dollars we also chasing fuel and wages and..... Thus NO Potatoes available despite the same Brainiac's deciding it's ONLY FAIR to Raise the EBT Card Limit because otherwise the Gimmie Dat's will RIOT and destroy their cities. No Food, 3 meals until Anarchy... Even the sweetest Grandmother will Kill you to Feed their HUNGRY Grandkids.... Cue the Loud Bangs, Screaming, Smoke and Riot Control gasses.... A very simplistic example and frankly I am quite sure you already knew that but maybe hope against hope somebody who was unclear might have a better clue of what happens when "Helicopter Money" is thrown to the crowds. Really messes up an already distorted economic system with all this nearly free money to loan Zombie Companies.





  • FYI
    08/19/2019 at 9:26 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Jane. There is already something similar in the US in the banks. Its an SAR. Suspicious Activity Report. Used to be $10,000. Now its less.





  • 11HE9
    08/19/2019 at 8:20 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Hey Kulafarmer, Just read a USA Today article that Hormel will becoming out with a Pumpkin Spice flavored Spam for the holidays this year. Limited time and only online starting Sept 23rd through Walmart or spam website. I know spam is a big deal over on the islands. Thought I would give you a heads up to be on the look out. Sounds yummy. Lol. A&O





  • Pioneer Woman
    08/19/2019 at 8:07 PM
    Survival Cooking When The Electricity Goes Out

    Love cooking dutch oven style over coals....wood or other....we have a 1000 gallon propane tank (only use about 250/year on ave.) so will last a while! Gas hot water, ovens, dryer and even a gas "fireplace" freestander in front living room (works great for the kettle!0 Use charcoal for grill...we have an "acorn" so can use it to bake as well. fun. also have all the usual camp gear. Cooking without electricity is NO PROBLEMO