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  • Matt in Oklahoma
    09/16/2019 at 9:38 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Also Me2 how did you label the panels? I’m considering using numbered cow ear tags. They are tough and fade resistant. The find on the traps are awesome. Defense and food collection.





  • Anony Mee
    09/16/2019 at 9:29 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Hey Dennis Preach brother. Seriously, your prayers are a comfort. Am missing Shepherdess’s blessings. Spent a long career in big cities. Now in an area with negative or no growth for several years, at the end of a dead-end road, 25 miles from “town.” As safe as I’ll ever be, as long as I don’t need emergency services in a hurry.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    09/16/2019 at 9:16 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Me2 If you don’t mind me asking what gage did you go with on the expanded metal? I’m covering area denial with the group this weekend. First thing I did here is build a gate. They had fencing all around but no gate. It was weird to me. I used some gas pipe for the frame. I’ve got cable to go across and rebar knee high Czech hedgehogs that attach. 3” screws were one of the first things I did to all door locks and hinges here. I’ll be controlling more than just my little square. Can’t let them that close. What’s your fire retardant plan? Safe rooms rarely cover that. When they realize that can’t get what they want the meanness and evil will come out and they will burn you out.





  • Calirefugee
    09/16/2019 at 8:59 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Hay Dennis, Great minds think alike: I was out shooting my 357mag this morning and have cracked the reloading manuals in order to reload some 357mag loads that are more mild. ( these loads are actually +P equivalent within a 357 mag casing.). I am going to reload with some Unique powder I have in storage as it has been a long time since I have used this. I cut my grass this afternoon since God gave us several hours of sunlight to dry the lawn prior to cutting. I am ever, the Japanese Gardener living out here on the Left Coast. Now I am BBQ'ing some chicken on the propane Weber with the propane I bought at the local refill station in reference to the propane thread that was on this website earlier this week. ( I refilled the "Amerigas" tank I exchanged a month ago.) Folks at the gas station did not blink an eye at the new-to-me tank. I suppose this method of tank replacement can be referred to as the "NRP" method since he advocated this method in the propane article. Like NRP, I am cheap. I am willing to bet that most of us on this site are of similar mindset. ( some call us cheap. I prefer the word: "Thrifty" or efficient.) Thank you for your posted prayers. You are articulate and thoughtful in your prayers and I wonder if you considered being a Deacon or lay-preacher in your community if not on this site.





  • me2
    09/16/2019 at 7:58 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Well, Well, happily not a serious sickness Papa Smurf, that's good news. Maybe you can charge them a Grandfather "Fee" and give them a shopping list of items YOU might like from that town wide yard sale? Extra wool blankets? A rusty but restorable camp skillet? Just last week I picked up a rusty old squirrel thumper for 20.00 I paid a friend to clean it up and pretty it up (they need cash) and now it's a beautiful truck accessory. Just because I asked when I saw some old steel traps. Also got the traps. Have to love thrift stores and good (non broken plastic junk) yard sales





  • me2
    09/16/2019 at 7:46 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis and friends spreading lawlessness and chaos is classic Rules for Radicals tactics. Fear makes people willing to accept anything that promises safety. Part and parcel of the "Make it STOP" campaign. More to come and we are NOT Allowed to Defend ourselves as then WE are the Evil GUN People and they are the poor misunderstood victims. The Media as Judge and Jury. Stay away from crowds, stay away from stupid people. If you have not made serious plans to Harden your Home with pre-cut welded wire window covers, solid outside door with 3 inch screws and reinforced frames what is your back up plan when serious trouble shows up? If you have to live in a Democratic controlled city do you have a Safe Room? Plenty of Bear Spray? If you have a driveway worth the trouble can I suggest a logging chain across it when you close down for the night? That and make other ways to drive up a problem. If you look like a hard target they may go for an easier target, or at least you get some warning and time to respond. Think the Purge in real time. That's what Democratic cities are devolving into by INTENDED failure of civil laws. Bad times ahead.





  • Calirefugee
    09/16/2019 at 7:37 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Sorry Dennis, I did not see or bother to look at that video. I still got bad memories of Reginald Denny, the truck driver that got dragged out of his rig in South Central Los Angeles back in the 1980/1990's during Rodney King Part 1. Interestingly enough, the pilot that filmed the Denny incident from the air was an African-American ancestry individual that was a proud graduate of the US Air Force Academy. These days, I cannot say I am surprised so much as saddened. I can say I will not be traveling there for vacation or work anytime soon with that stuff going on. Thanks for the heads up though.





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  • rlverrat
    09/16/2019 at 7:27 PM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    I go with Ken on this. This is not a gadget. This is a survival item. How many road flares can you carry in your back pocket? I own some of these and can tell you they do work.





  • Beach'n
    09/16/2019 at 5:56 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    me, I agree with you 100%! Spinal cord, broken ribs, probably got his spleen as well... This was not just a robbery, this was attempted murder. This isn't on lame stream media, because for some reason, Ilhan is becoming a misunderstood little darling. She was on "Face the Nation" this weekend. Trying to explain why conservatives just don't understand what she means when she speaks. These beatings were not part of the discussion at all. And yes, I watch Face the Nation. Know your enemy. luv ya'll, Beach'n





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 5:54 PM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    - NRP, Believe me, you want to have your priorities in order. Just try using that 0000 steel wool for TP! - Papa





  • al
    09/16/2019 at 5:42 PM
    9 Electric Power Grid Substations Will Bring It All Down

    If you take out the transformers, that step the voltage down to sub transmission and lower, no power xfer can occur.





  • Dennis
    09/16/2019 at 5:41 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Anony Mee, These cities and their progressive prosecuting attorneys have stopped prosecuting property crimes where losses are under $750. This is almost begging for anarchy. Assaults are reduced down to misdemeanor disturbance of the peace. Youths are rarely prosecuted. Either they are plain stupid or, more likely, hoping for total disintegration of public order. I feel for those whose job requires living in or near these ticking time bombs. If you do, have a plan





  • Slippy
    09/16/2019 at 5:38 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Lauren, It took me a couple of days of racking my brain to see if I could name 1 government program that has not gone bad. (Other than the Military and we can all agree that the USA has the greatest military!) The only thing I came up with is The Interstate Highway System. Every other dang program that I thought of or researched cost us money time and freedom.





  • Dennis
    09/16/2019 at 5:25 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Got about half my .380 loads finished. These are defense loads. Tedious, precise powder charges, Lehigh Extreme Defense copper bullets, using Lee factory crimp die for final step. Tested this load some time back. Today is just for stores. Took a break to go to my range and burn some .38 spec wadcutters using my bird's head grip single action revolver. Love the back to basics feel of this fine handgun. Consider it a fine compliment to my preps. Got the 75 or so empty cases tumbling now for reloading again. Getting old, a little slower in step, but do what I can to stay ready. Should circumstances come where I'm forced to take a stand, hopefully the efforts to try and stay on top of my game won't have been wasted. Hopefully, I'll never again be tested..............nor any of y'all. Son is out in the pasture mowing. Guess I'll go join him. Later.





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  • Anony Mee
    09/16/2019 at 5:23 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis Dismal days certainly for large Democratic Party-controlled American cities. Riots, wilding events, wild mobs in downtown shopping centers and urban malls, “organized retail crime” mobs in inner cities, all been going on since the sixties; easier to initiate and see with today’s technology and ubiquitous media. Add in anarchists and “anonymous” crashing relatively peaceful protests since the Seattle WTO riot of 1999. More recently Occupy Wall Street all over the country, Black Lives Matter, Islamists taking over the Women’s March (originally organized by Jewish women against Trump), attacks on Jews in Brooklyn (interestingly Jerry Nadler’s district). Now antifa. Following what’s happening in PNW. There’s a video showing black-masked antifa beating up an older gay man. Another showing them screaming in the faces of African-American police officers. Intolerant brown-shirts of every sort are running wild in the streets. Correlation does not equal causation; but the relationship is very strong between libsider-controlled cities and these sorts of WROL events. BTW that part of MN also has highest level of jihadist recruitment in the US.





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 5:17 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    - Hah! Just found out the rest of the story! Apparently, there is a community-wide ‘garage sale’ there that is also going on this week, and guess who wants Mom to go along? - Papa





  • me2
    09/16/2019 at 4:30 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Family FIRST Papa Smurf, Family First! Hopefully all resolves quickly and fun times erupt in your family





  • Kulafarmer
    09/16/2019 at 4:27 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Where ya think that ilahn omar trash came from, And that one is in the gubermint,,, And then folks wonder why i have such a bad attitude about that stuff





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 4:26 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    - me2, Unfortunately, my manual right now is in one of several plastic tubs stored in the garage. It was part of the goods retrieved from the old house prior to the fire, and I haven’t had a chance to get all of that stuff unpacked and put away. I have seen it for sale from the old Paladin Books catalog, too bad they are out of business. I think a Major catalog had it in a multibook deal a couple of years ago along with Emergency War Surgery and something else. I didn’t pay a lot of attention as I already have those two. Still more unfortunately, I have been elected to take DW to youngest daughter’s house to assist with an ill grandchild or two for a week or so. And I get to work on a shower plumbing fitting as soon as I get back that has gone tango uniform. - Papa





  • Kulafarmer
    09/16/2019 at 4:25 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Makes ya all warm n fuzzy dont it...





  • me
    09/16/2019 at 3:27 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    That was a truly disturbing video. Deportation? Not until they've done some very hard time and are old and gray. There is ample evidence of intent to do grievous bodily harm. I truly hope that the victims spinal cords are intact. Send them back now and they might be regarded as heroes.





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  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 3:22 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    - I had not really thought about it, but after this conversation I have begun to suspect that the manufacturers, knowing about this practice, decided that it would be simpler and cheaper to make a longer .38 short case, load the heavier bullet and call it a .38 S&W. Modern powders would make it easy to produce a load to duplicate the old ballistics. The tapered case, I once read, was developed shortly after the Civil War as the S&W was one of the first cartridges the old cap-and-ball Navy colts were converted to. It was supposedly to keep drilled out cylinders from being used as they were more powerful than the old black-powder cylinders could reliably handle. You had to purchase a proprietary new cylinder for your Colt. - Papa





  • Dennis
    09/16/2019 at 3:15 PM
    How To Defeat Tear Gas In A Riot

    Papa,When we went through the gas chambers at Ft. Polk, way back when, we enter in groups of ten, with the gas mask riding in it's pouch on our right leg. I found myself standing directly over the can the CS gas was burning in. Once inside, in a line, we were ordered to remove our mask, clear it and adjust the seal. Once everyone had done so, we were ordered to remove the mask, recite the "orders of the guard", before replacing the mask on our heads and clear it again. Once that was performed, remove the mask, place it correctly into it's leg carrying pouch, secure it properly, before exiting the building. No way possible to cheat. Once clear of the door, everyone was fighting for one of the two water hoses they had going, strings of snot flying around, a few even threw up. Some things one never forgets.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    09/16/2019 at 3:05 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Here is a drone article you might find interesting. Look at it from your perspective in preparedness https://smallwarsjournal.com/index.php/jrnl/art/mexican-cartel-tactical-note-38-armed-drone-targets-baja-california-public-safety





  • Slippy
    09/16/2019 at 2:56 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis, Nothing racist at all about your post, you were stating fact. These somalis who came over to the US under our gracious and foolish political asylum laws are nasty animals that inherently hate the USA as well as Christianity and Judaism. They need deportation at the least. Parts of Minneapolis are turning into No-Go Zones. islam is a geo-political ideology of world domination, not a religion. It is made up of 2 groups. One group wants to kill or enslave any who do not follow islam's world domination dogma and the 2nd group funds the efforts of the the first group. Not one islamist should ever be allowed to enter the USA. Assimilation will never occur with these animals.





  • Sully
    09/16/2019 at 2:53 PM
    Alarming NOAA data, Rapid Pole Shift

    I'm pretty sure Keats, I get what you mean by "NOT metric" and "American conversions". We use the Metric system here in Canada, and I think the U.S. still uses the Imperial system. I was well into failing to understand fractions, and long division in grade school when Canada switched to using the metric system. Talk about messing up a 3rd grader's head. To this day I still do the conversion in my head back to the Imperial system. Liters to the kilometers have no real meaning to me. I like to know the miles per gallon, or the weight in lbs and ounces. I must not be the only one because I see lots of Imperial tags on things I buy every day. I don't know if $1.89 per kilogram is a good price for chicken, but $.89 cents a pound is a fill the freezer price in my house.





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 2:51 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    - Oh, best guess is the slight taper was done in the initial forming of the case, since you mentioned it. The crimp is not that heavy. - Papa





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 2:46 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    - Dennis, Your description of the cartridge is absolutely correct. The pistol was DFIL’s in-car carry, stuffed down between the seats in his Olds for many years. Best I can find out, it was made in the early 40’s, possibly as early as 1939, and when it came to me it was loaded with .38 Short Colts. In his dresser drawer he had had a couple of boxes of the vintage .38 S&W 148’s; they appear to be usable, but I bought more modern loads to give it a whirl. I was intrigued by the cases, as they didn’t resemble exactly the older cases. Just for curiosity, as I knew the older cases wouldn’t chamber in my Ruger, I tried the new ones and lo and behold, they would. Apparently, this was not an uncommon thing to do, loading the Short Colts as a sort of reduced load for the S&W. Lighter bullet, lighter powder charge, and if you didn’t reload, ruined brass wasn’t an issue. Shooting them in the S&W chamber fire-formed them into the larger size. It is a nice gun, with the old-style latch at the rear that is unlatched by pulling up on the rear sights. Then it hinges down to empty/reload. It is a bit smaller than any I have found at the local gun stores, but I would guess that it wouldn’t bring more than a couple of hundred dollars. It is fun to go out and shoot once in a while, though. - Papa





  • Kulafarmer
    09/16/2019 at 2:42 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Matt, Thats what i ran into here as well, snobs and snitches. Ill be damned if i join anything where people look down their nose at you. Theres nothing worth dealing with those people





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 2:06 PM
    How To Defeat Tear Gas In A Riot

    - Many years ago, I was “selected” to run a gas chamber as part of a training exercise for an Army hospital… all day long, multiple iterations. I was given the little paint-type can of CS capsules that you were to open and place the powder within on the bottom of an upturned coffee can with vent holes in it over a candle, because it was “Less Expensive”. Okay, I can do this. I took my mask off in the chamber just like the rest of my subjects but got tired of that after about three times. I took most of the groups through without taking my mask off through the day. Word went back to command that ‘Sgt. Smurf isn’t taking his mask off when everyone else is!’ Oh, the other thing was, I added another capsule every other time when I went through, because it was windy and the doors were open for quite a while. At any rate, I had about 14 of the 500mg capsules on the top of that can when the word came down about that. I was a little bit irked, but sure, I can do this. I took the last group into the chamber, made sure everyone was doing alright, then took my mask off and stowed it. I stood just in front of the door out, had each one unmask and talk to me. The majority of the group were female nurses that had put the gas chamber off until last because of the side effects. Some of them tried the holding their breath technique; some of them were quite good at it. One managed to talk on what air she had held, until I asked her what her measurements were. Never found out, as the sharp intake of breath ended our conversation. I think she threw up as soon as she cleared the door. Even the Colonel was in the group. She was the Director of Nurses for the hospital. She talked to me too. The General wanted to speak to me afterwards. I recounted the experience for him (he had gone through in one of the first couple of groups and remembered that I had taken my mask off with his group.) I explained what had happened, and what I had done. He was a bit horrified at the quantity of CS at the end (the recommendation is for two or three!) but burst out laughing when I recounted the story of the last group and what I had done. No one in the last group denied that I had been without my mask the entire time while questioning the group one by one. I was in no trouble at all; but I was never again selected to run the gas chamber! It’s purely a matter of Mind Over Matter. If you don’t mind, it don’t matter! - Papa S.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    09/16/2019 at 1:43 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Plainsmedic I'll talk to him about it. I'm not about joining anything. I've gone that route and it leaves much to be desired. With my current position in life even though I'm open about it I would considered less than desirable anyway LOL. On the ham I just listen and gather intell because folks do enough talking to answer any questions I'll have. I'm studying now for the ham license cause I'm on bout every list there is anyway. I won't be joining any local organizations in that either. I've attended some of their stuff and between the snobs and snitches I'd rather not even look at these guys.





  • Dennis
    09/16/2019 at 1:18 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Papa Smurf, From what I can find, the .38 S&W cases are sort of unique, being not true straight wall cases nor a necked down case, the lower section being slightly larger in diameter than the top. Having never worked with any, I don't know if this occurs in the crimping process or in the forming of the case. As a side note, years ago, in my first year in law enforcement, I almost bought a S&W Terrier (the precursor to the mod 36 Chief's Special) in .38 S&W from a small town hardware store in E. Texas. The Chief Special was hard to find at the time, and I found this revolver, brand new in the box. I passed on it because I wanted the .38 spec. Sorta wish I had bought it, in retrospect. It was slightly smaller than the Chief. Am told that Smith called it an "I"-frame, the Chief, of course, is a J-frame.





  • Beach'n
    09/16/2019 at 1:06 PM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    I have the gobspark firesteel with the magnesium blocks in both cars and both GHB. I learned about them from you, Ken! Not long after my order arrived I received another small package from Firesteel. They sent a smaller firesteel as a thank you! That one is in my "purse". Great company! luv ya'll, Beach'n





  • Danny Mootispaw
    09/16/2019 at 1:04 PM
    U.S. Nuclear Power Plants, safe distance?

    Piketon Ohio !





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 12:35 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    - Headstamp is R-P .38 S&W, FWIW - Papa





  • aka
    09/16/2019 at 12:23 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    I see nothing racist and it is my opinion that the sooner that people quit bowing to political correctness the better off we will all be. To my knowledge there have been no similar attacks- the msm media would have had a coronary of pleasure if it had indeed happened.





  • NRP
    09/16/2019 at 12:23 PM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    Calirefugee; "I try to stay away from using my TP stash for a fire starter after all, one must have their priorities clearly established" Dang RIGHT!!!!!! I might freeze to death, but I'll have a clean....... nevermind... LOLOL





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 12:18 PM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    - Correction, not file but hacksaw blade. Missed it when I was typing up the comment. - Papa





  • Dennis
    09/16/2019 at 12:15 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    At risk of being called racist. Just took a break from reloading cabin (.380 acp today). Came into the house to Fox News on TV showing a series of videos from Minneapolis of gangs of blacks attacking white folks of opportunity. Beating them unconscious, and continuing assault after they appear to be totally incapacitated. In some cases, stripping the limp bodies naked. No mention of racial motivations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Minneapolis the Obama created Somali immigrant enclave? Wasn't abusing and stripping the bodies of their victims recorded in "Black Hawk Down"? Isn't this the home base for Ilhan Omar, the muslim Somali-American darling of the left? Looking more and more like Mogadishu West. So much for assimilation. In interest of fairness, someone please point out similar attacks by roving bands of whites on random black targets. Sorry for the dismal post. Back to reloading cabin.





  • Papa Smurf
    09/16/2019 at 12:10 PM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    - Agreed, I am most likely to use a standard Bic butane lighter to start any fires needed. The whetstone pocket on my old Camillus M-5 (Aircrew Member’s Survival Knife) that is still my EDC in the woods has one of the military magnesium blocks with the inserted fire steel at one side. I have several others for use or practice, but that one is there because it will always be able to start a fire if needed. (There is a piece of plumbers’ sandscreen epoxied to the metal back of the sheath should I lose my stone and have to resharpen the knife.) The pocket also contains a short piece of file for striking sparks or using to cut small bits of metal by dragging the teeth over whatever, should I have to. There is also a sail needle Gorilla-taped to one side and a big-eyed regular needle should I need it. Both are magnetic. . Granted, road flares are nice if you have room for one in your bag. I do try to Be Prepared, though, should I not have my bag. I have literally gone for an un-looked-for swim and had a fire within ten minutes of reaching shore and getting warm and dry with that gear. Also agree, the Chinese copies I have tried have been worthless. Threw the couple I bought away to be sure I didn’t pick up one of them by mistake. - Papa S. -





  • bill posters
    09/16/2019 at 12:07 PM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    totally agree with your comments Dennis . I own and have practiced with various fire steel and magnesium fire starters . My every day carry is a lighter or 2 , reliable and quick :)





  • Plainsmedic
    09/16/2019 at 12:04 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Matt, Ya might ask your comms guy about amrron. Curious about other's opinions on this organization. As I understand it, mostly about ham radio emergency communication. Kind of a network to disperse emergency information. As I've stated, I'm very hesitant to join anything. At first glance, why would I care what someone 1000 miles from me, says or thinks? There could, however, be valuable information available in a grid-down situation. Ham radio would likely be the go-to means of comms. Apparently, there are "members" all over the country. Info could/might be disseminated from one ham on to the next, to cover the entire country. Even lowly technician licensed folks, like me, could get valuable information from just listening. I'm NOT an expert on ham radio. I do see the advantages of being able to contact VIPs when your cell phone no longer functions. Children and grandchildren are a huge part of the reason we prepare. How are ya gonna answer the wife, when she asks "Are the kids OK?" I know that I feel WAY WAY better, about being able to contact VIPs in a grid-down scenario. Besides, I have discovered, ham radio can be a lot of fun. 2m ssb





  • Calirefugee
    09/16/2019 at 12:01 PM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    I have several fire steels in my various kits and in my truck glovebox. Along with the fire steels that provide a good spark, I keep a wad of very fine (0000 size) steel wool in a ziplock bag to help catch the spark and start the tinder. Over the years, I have had better luck with steel wool as opposed to scraping off magnesium from the block. It is a bit quicker. My #1 goto for fire starting is still a Bic lighter. ( like Dennis ). I try to stay away from using my TP stash for a fire starter after all, one must have their priorities clearly established. The more time I spent in cabins and off grid locations, the better I got at splitting wood and creating tinder and kindling. I also got better at setting aside or spotting sapwood and pitch pockets on trees or on recently fallen trees. A handy skill butt practice will make one better at this skill.





  • Ken Jorgustin
    09/16/2019 at 11:34 AM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    Agreed that a road flare will certainly give you great odds to start a fire - especially if your hands are numb from freezing cold! Though it may not be convenient depending on one's kit size, purpose, etc.. Here's a related article on that: Paraffin Candle & Standard Road Flare for Fire Starter Kit





  • me2
    09/16/2019 at 10:57 AM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    Great concept by Fire Steel! However beware of cheap magnesium fire starters (from china?) much harder to scrape and far less success in my experience in igniting with attached fire starter. Maybe a low grade alloy? Military grade is not that expensive for the years of service you will get out of it. One is none....





  • Norml Chuck
    09/16/2019 at 10:56 AM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    Gadgets are fine,but for dependability in almost any situation it’s hard to beat a good old road flare.





  • Dennis
    09/16/2019 at 10:46 AM
    Make Fire in the Toughest Conditions with Magnesium Bar and a FireSteel

    They work. They never go bad in storage. They take up little space. They are not expensive. You will probably never use one completely up. I'm most likely to use a butane lighter to start my fires. Most times I don't set out to start a fire in a rainstorm. Most times I don't need fuel impregnated cotton balls and a small tarp to shelter my fire-making from the elements. Being a prepper/survivor means being ready and able when conditions are not ideal, and you have no control over circumstances. Better to have it and not need it than to....................





  • Bill Jenkins Horse
    09/16/2019 at 7:28 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Matt, I posted about drones last year. A group I work with caught a couple guys using a drone to map out their land. These guys had mapped out many places, commercial buildings and properties. Definitely for nefarious reasons. A drone does have its uses. We purchased one for our group. I agree that they are the new norm and much of the usage will not be for anyone's good.





  • Ken Jorgustin
    09/16/2019 at 7:09 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    @DLS, I have both the Presto 23qt (our first canner) and now the All American. They both work. The price difference is significant. Though it's obvious what you're paying for with the All American. Again, they both get the job done. If you're just getting started and not sure if you'll keep it up - maybe the less expensive Presto is the way to to. However if you want to buy the Ferrari right away - you won't be sorry. Related article (lists the various sizes), All American Canner





  • INPrepper
    09/16/2019 at 4:53 AM
    How To Tell How Full (or Empty) Your Propane Tank Really Is

    I thought the way to tell how full or empty a tank is, is to take the top off and use a lit match to look inside to see the liquid level. I haven't tried it yet for propane tanks but it works well for water tanks. Just kidding---- Kids, please don't try this at home.





  • me2
    09/16/2019 at 4:40 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    me, I agree there is a real threat that the powers that be might use a currency exchange system to capture physical cash out here vs. simply making it worthless. Was recently done in India a country that uses cash as the daily economy to force the un-banked into the system so they could collect more Taxes. The exchange was so abrupt that the economy was almost destroyed for almost a year. This process has been discussed by the banks and congress if the need for negative rates needed to be enforced because everywhere else recently that tried to enforce negative rates (where you PAY them for the right to hold money in your bank account) folks (Like the Swiss)cashed out and held it at home, forcing a cash only domestic economy. Folks need to be aware just like Bail In's where banks have the "Legal Right" to take our monies to "Save" their bank, negative rates are also out there waiting for the "Right" moment to "Save" the big banks and Government from default with little peoples monies. Most of the "Rich" have other assets held outside the system. Mostly physical Gold that cannot be touched by such money conversions or negative rates. Also as history shows over and over again the Political Class NEVER harms those that Bribe them so the Rich will have advance notice as to avoid the Bail In's and or take ADVANTAGE of the Currency exchanges. President Roosevelt's forced Gold confiscation and reevaluation during the Great Depression to pay for that great Socialist "New Deal" did NOT harm the rich. That would have been Political suicide for Him and the Democratic Party. But I would suggest some of those 100's you mention be exchanged for 50's 20's and such. Otherwise you limit your ability to make quick cash buys due to lack of change.





  • Anony Mee
    09/16/2019 at 12:01 AM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Quiet week. Some rainy days that felt almost wintery. About halfway through Blackout Wars by Peter Vincent Pry. Will give a report when finished. Have corresponded with Dr. Pry recently re his current thinking on EMP vulnerability. He said it is prudent to have a year’s worth of necessities on hand. Visited cabin with DFM; talked over design and parts needed for year’s worth of water storage. Here you can’t recycle waxed cardboard; it has to be hauled to the dump. So when I pick up scraps for the pigs the green grocers often put them in their waxed cardboard boxes. Did a little burning this week and found that waxed cardboard burns clean, fast, and hot. Think I’ll cut up some of those boxes for a stash of quick burning moisture-resistant cardboard leaves. Might make good fire starters for the wood stove. Pioneer Woman - will you be staying at altitude or dropping down to a longer growing season? Don’t envy you the move. Keep Calm and Prep On





  • Calirefugee
    09/15/2019 at 11:38 PM
    How To Tell How Full (or Empty) Your Propane Tank Really Is

    Update in 2019: I had my tank date expire and the filling station wouldn't refill it so I took it to the nearby Lowe's and did a tank exchange for some $26. I got a tank made in 2018 so I should be good until some 2028 expiration date. The folks at the filling station said- "oh yeah..its a good tank..Bring it on by when you need more propane." I'll be refilling it tomorrow and cooking a pork shoulder roast tomorrow night.





  • DAMedinNY
    09/15/2019 at 10:00 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    DLS, I purchased my AA 921 pressure cooker around 2012. I found it for $199 and was happy with that price. I wanted something that would last my lifetime and could be handed down. I have been very pleased with this unit and it gets a lot of use. I also have a smaller pressure unit for cooking dinner - Kuhn Rikon Duromatic. You can put a whole chicken in there and it cooks quickly and beautifully....so tender. I actually used the AA to cook a Thsnksgiving turkey one year and it was awesome. The pressure cooker is s big investment but worth its weight in gold to be able to put shelf stable meat away for many years. And the meat is so tender and delicious.





  • Bluesman
    09/15/2019 at 9:34 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    DLS, We have 3 presto pressure cookers. All are from the 1948-1968 time frame. One is a 2 quart size ,one is a 23 quart size and one is called a camp cooker that holds 14 quarts at a time. We have been happy with them all.It is easy to purchase backup parts if they are needed.We have never used an All American cooker .





  • me
    09/15/2019 at 9:19 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    We use Edward Jones also. I'm not financially astute. Just statement of fact. Keep thinking we should move some of the investments into the trust, all of which are set up with Edward Jones. If the market goes crunch how safe do you think funds in a trust are? On the PMs they may not appreciate as much as we would hope but they do tend to hold their value. I sort of follow them on a fairly regular basis and when the world gets nervous they do moe in a positive manner. I worried about having a few K in hundreds and being caught up in a currency change. I remember in Vietnam we were paid in MPCs or Military Payment Certificates (sometimes referred to as Monopoly money). We were not supposed to do business with the locals in MPCs but they had a lot more value than the local currency. Periodically the military would change the currency and it left a lot of the locals holding worthless paper. When I think about it, it probably shifted support to the VC. Anyway on having hundreds in a lock box is probably nothing compared to the amount of 100s held outside the bank by the rich.





  • Wendy
    09/15/2019 at 9:18 PM
    Long Term Drinking Water Storage | How-To Recommendations

    Milk jugs aren't good for long-term storage. They will leak out so slowly that you don't notice, and then you will have an empty container. Two-liter soda bottles work well, though.





  • Joe c
    09/15/2019 at 9:02 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Amen, Dennis Peace be with you and yours





  • Lauren
    09/15/2019 at 8:35 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Looks like our GDD is down by almost 1/3 from the 2018 highs. The plastic is a good idea, maybe I'll move the hoop houses. I should be able to keep the greenhouse above freezing well into November, and longer if the insulation changes work the way I hope. Last year the first "frost" in the greenhouse was in December, the early morning temperature was in the high 30's and low 40's through the end of November and it wasn't until January that it really froze in there. That's when the sweet potatoes died last year, although the tomatoes keeled over in December. I keep trying on the TPS (true potato seeds). I'll try again next year, but it's a learning process. The seedlings are so stinking fragile...If I can get that first generation, the 2nd generation will be easier.





  • Just Sayin'
    09/15/2019 at 8:29 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    MT, I agree, this is their goal unless someone throws a monkey wrench in the spokes. Amazon is supported by government and they pay much of those shipping costs already.... would be in favor of a breakup of the monopoly agencies. amazon is only one. When we buy or produce local, that takes Amazon out of the equation. Can't have people feeding their own self plants they grew without poison, or animals they treated humanely. Like the false news that chicken causes cancer. bravo sierra... the truth is they are trying to push fake meat made out of everything from dried roaches to ground up grasshoppers and pink slime to us to make us sick. Rape seed oil was developed to make cows fat... just go to wal mart and watch come "benefits day" you will see one fat cow/steer after another...





  • Dennis
    09/15/2019 at 8:24 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Lord, it's been a good week. My family and I enjoyed good health, we have lacked for nothing we are needful of. We thank You for that. I see your majesty all around us. The beauty of your creation. The grandeur of the rising morning sun awakening the birds to sing their songs. The living portrait of the setting of the sun. The cool of the evening as we relax and look forward to a time of resting. As bedtime approaches, I reflect on my life. There was not a moment that You weren't with me. Even when I wasn't thinking of You, You were watching over me. Those times I failed You, You didn't forsake me. No, You're love is not conditional, it's unconditional. You've never turned You're face from me. Yes, You have let me suffer the consequences of my stupidity, but, thankfully, I learned from those mistakes. I was strengthened by those experiences. Even then, You didn't leave me. You never allowed me to suffer more than You and I together couldn't make it through. Lord, I know of no one I've done wrong today. If I have, make me aware so I can try to make it right. I ask Your blessings on me, my loved ones, and my family here a MSB. Continue to watch over us Lord, continue You're provisions for us. I ask for just a portion of You're wisdom, You're love, and You're grace. May my actions be pleasing in Your eyes. I ask these things in the name of Your Son, and my Savior. Amen. Good night my friends. Sleep well.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    09/15/2019 at 8:22 PM
    How To Defeat Tear Gas In A Riot

    I’ve regularly eaten gas for 35 yrs. military and law enforcement. OC, CS and back in the day CN which pretty much isn’t used anymore. You can operate in a chemical environment if you can maintain control of your mind. OC is worse than CS. It’s harder to get off of you. With CS get out of the cloud, face the wind and walk into it. Don’t rub your eyes. You will be ok soon. Let the snot run and just blow it out in the ground. With OC you want to wash with water. Cold water. Remember anywhere The initially contaminated water runs will also be effected. So if it’s in your face don’t let the cold water run down on your genitals. Again don’t rub your eyes. With both wash your clothes on COLD water. Heat can regenerate the chemicals. Air (cool) and time are your friends. Don’t panic and control your mind. If your carry personal CS it expires in a couple of years. Take a small amount on your finger and just wipe it below your eye on your cheek. It will cause enough discomfort to know the effects but not hurt you badly. You can progress to a full spray eventually. If you have asthma or heart conditions don't do this though. It ain’t easy but if it was it wouldn’t be effective.





  • Just Sayin'
    09/15/2019 at 8:21 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    DLS, Your reasoning is sound. I have had presto equipment in past and some of it is still working but a cooker not a canner. If you need to can for family and things are tough, you may need 2 going...meats and corn in qts need 90 min, it can certaintly speed up the process to have 2 going at one time. I have "mirror " i am currently using. have AA and another older one, forget what it is,... i have to get parts for... Once you obtain and use a few times, know you need to continue... get your replacement parts... a gauge or stem with weight..( the round one with 3 choices i have found effective.), and rubber seals for the lid. , and emergency pressure release. order all at one time- so they are on hand for quick repairs. I have one been using 2 years with nothing new, but already have repair parts ready for when gasket stretches and is hard to seal or ?





  • Joe c
    09/15/2019 at 8:20 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    JS/MT Worked in a automotive warehouse for thirty years. Let AI takeover, I'm damned tired of the cheapskate manufacturer BS. These idle hands would be more productive on the home front anyway. Fire me, "show me the door", I beg of you. I ain't 40, hell I ain't 50 anymore. But keep pushing us to no limit.





  • Modern Throwback
    09/15/2019 at 7:44 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Just Sayin' I believe we will see radical changes in how warehouses and delivery in the near future. There will be much larger distribution centers, and I wouldn't be surprised to see corporations sharing these warehouses. Warehouse workers will be phased out in the near future, and replaced with a robotic system. Amazon does this already. Speaking of Amazon, they are not far off from being in a position to challenge or take over the postal delivery service, too. Amazon is at the forefront with automation and BIG business and product distribution. Look how many small and large businesses keep an Amazon storefront now. Brick & mortar stores will decrease, and I wouldn't be surprised if more large businesses will gear towards online ordering with pick-ups, to reduce retail overhead while automating with robotics. It is my belief that the Leftist hype over the "living wage" and 'free' healthcare have been intentional catalysts to usher in the robotic era. It will be the excuses fed to society as to why businesses can no longer afford humans. The robots have been planned for more than 20 years, but big business can't just remove a large segment of the human workforce without reasons. And society will not easily accept a 'takeover' of robots -- unless the dangling fruit of 'free money' and a 'basic income' is given. They've already set the stage. Can you imagine? 'Idle hands are the devil's workshop'





  • Antique Collector
    09/15/2019 at 7:06 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    BJH That is a blessing she likes to read, hope the other grandchildren follow in her footsteps. You may be a little on the antique side, but aren't we all, mean tempered, doubt it unless the grandkids messed up.





  • Dick LipShitz
    09/15/2019 at 6:46 PM
    How To Defeat Tear Gas In A Riot

    Get a CAN, thermos, jar, Paint Can PUT MUD IN IT, (like protester in Hong Kong did) * WEAR only heat resistant gloves (leather) only to pick up tear gas grenades. * -->> Shake the Tear gas grenade in the can of mud (muddy COLD water -best) to put it out. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a28904691/how-tear-gas-works/





  • DLS
    09/15/2019 at 6:33 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Presto (Chinese) or All American pressure canner? Hi folks. I'm thinking of trying out home canning. The Presto 23 quart canner for ~$80 seems a reasonable entry level choice. Does anyone have experience with the Presto or All American brands? Personally I don't have issues with buy a made-in-China item, provided it is of good quality (and Chinese airlines buy plenty of the airplanes I help produce). However, thought I should ask if there are issues with the Presto brand, or other reasons to go with the AA brand. My thinking is that if I get serious, and the AA turns out to be worth the 'Pro' price I could upgrade and then give the Presto to someone who doesn't have it so good as I do. Thoughts? Thanks.





  • Just Sayin'
    09/15/2019 at 6:00 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Lauen, this is just my thinking..I know does not go with what you have been doing necessarily. Our night temps dropped to 58-59 for 2 nights, now back to 70ish for lows. Highs mid 90's. also thinking we may get an earlier frost than normal, around 10-7th give or take 2 weeks is our normal. for frost. IF I thought was my fault i did not get these started early enough, I would give them a few more hours of grow light ,LED 45 watt shop lights will work get DAYLIGHT bulbs.. and protect in that green house under two layers of plastic...as long as possible to give those tubers time to mature.. and make the work done , pay off next year. I am going to use these in greenhouse,and other grow areas, if God permits. Our GDD, is also down by almost 10%. To accommodate change i can cut lights or power somewhere else. have a friend who is working with potato seeds and a long season... are producing but wants more experience in that for sustainable.





  • Bill Jenkins Horse
    09/15/2019 at 5:41 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    AC, I'm impressed she knew what it means. Girl does like to read so she read it somewhere...





  • Just Sayin'
    09/15/2019 at 5:38 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Joe C, What a strange thing... I relieved contact from an old friend..( I worked in a warehouse ,long ago and 12o miles away). So am very familiar with merchandising of consumer goods. Each major distribution center goes thru normal cycles of deep cleansing and generally a fairly rapid refill, is visible on the receiving dock. Report was" less stock available than ever observed". Could not help but wonder what the orders look like??? suspect size changes are imminent, for every product..as I have been seeing in a local store, over past 2 months. Heads up . If you need it, can latch fingers on it, get it now. if you did not produce enough____(whatever) this year for you and yours. As for us, working on sustainable and trying to see what works have had good indications of what has not worked... limited success with gardens. Wicking pots better than most other things, will lower to/in ground for next year to utilize cooling of ground...and add reflective covers in places and shade cloth in other places./certain crops.Have added more winter keeper veggies. as soon as temps cool enough to allow for sprouting of other things will plant more. I have worked on gathering hay this week for small animals and securing. We have continued very hot, no rain. and since we had grasses cut , was blessed for it to be that way.Anything non use-able for animals will go in composting with manures for garden. Have worked on plans for securing the new green house... some materials need to be moved to "use area" One hard job at a time.... Hauled some pine sawdust and began replacing floor in the chicken run..henhouse completed .Have begun the winter straw for the chickens, using native untreated grasses.. I have rotated a generous amount out this week, out and replaced. No large amounts of any one thing. Found some vegetables in frozen are not avail in one store brand, are in stock downsized under a different brand. size reduction from 32 oz to 24 oz. with 60 cent increase in package. This matches the business model that increase prices by small amounts to increase the revenue leaving my pockets and going to another's. With my experience of working in this environment.(whse).I began asking MYSELF, to follow to logical conclusion.... Has anyone considered that as back-stock in any warehouse is reduced, it reduces the workers needed to pull and process any item....ie.the equipment needed for moving material out of a slot 8- 10 layers high is different from what is required for 2 layers. MOST JIT freight could be ordered, received,accounted and shipped without ever going to those whse. slots,by going to the shipping dock, being broken down and loaded for 60 different stores on 20 or more trucks. With the set shipping days many stores have, would limit the time those cases of (whatever)are tied up. Low level warehousing requires less skill .Less maintenance on equipment, less labor hours and insurance on those employees. That is a business model that puts money back in pockets of investors, ...from at least two different directions. BTW, just another version of chinza mart putting in the self check outs, another way to reduce overall costs.





  • Joe c
    09/15/2019 at 5:26 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    BJH Lol Glad to hear your granddaughter is teaching you to be more sociable 👍





  • Joe c
    09/15/2019 at 5:20 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    AC Thanks again. I saw PG post today/last night, so hoping she is doing well. Seems as if I'm turning into my mother.... Here on the farm, every horse, dog, cat has three or four names before I get it right.





  • MontanaHome
    09/15/2019 at 5:19 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    No- I don't even know what AmRRon is- AC just asked who was speaking so I gave her the list. They have oathkeepers and militia there at a vendor table too, I am also very wary of these groups.





  • Dennis
    09/15/2019 at 4:58 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Papa Smurf, If the new manufactured .38 S&W cases/cartridges fit in your .357 chambers, I see no reason they wouldn't work. The original .38 S&W had a larger diameter case (slightly), and were slightly longer, that prevented them from chambering in .38 colt. I know several manufacturers offer .38 S&W. Maybe they are using cut down .38 spec brass and .357 bullets instead of the original .361 diameter bullets.





  • Sage
    09/15/2019 at 4:35 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Peanut Gallery,,, So glad to see you post!!!! Glad you are back. You don't want to have the children calling you an old curmudgeon, like Bill Jenkins Horse! BJH,,,, I read your posts for years, as a lurker, get those fingers busy and keep us informed- we need you. Veteran,,,,we need to hear from you regularly. 1, we know you are OK. 2,we live thru on how to survive in harder circumstances. 3. In this country, we are so VERY spoiled. Missions work taught me all of that and much more. You keep us rooted into a world quickly coming, it allows all of us to better prepare. You have a big job keeping us rooted into the world we really live- thank you.





  • Antique Collector
    09/15/2019 at 4:35 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    me2 Check on eBay and possible Esty. Know when we lost dh's sf stuff in the fire I was able to replace several items being sold on that sight. It will take perseverance to find what you are looking for but who knows. Good luck





  • Veteran
    09/15/2019 at 4:30 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Matt in Oklahoma, Pozdrav za tebe I tvoju porodicu! World is smaller than we think. Civil War is everywhere disaster. I hope so that you and yours will never experience such kind of event. Now, after all we have problems with Muslim migrants from middle east via Greece who want to go in EU but EU close the border but they don't want to stop migrants to come from Greece. So we are now huge camp for Muslims.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    09/15/2019 at 3:41 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis I topped off everything today. I posted this elsewhere today to on the drones. “spying, bombing, remotely shooting, firebombing, lasers, radio jamming, listening capabilities, drug drops, IR and thermal capability are all threats soft and hard targets of all kinds are now having to address. Everything from military targets, prisons, factories, scientists, rival gangs, to the spouse will need to adjust or be vulnerable. Porch pirates and purse thieves will use them and soon crimes from espionage to petty theft will be the norm.” The issues with drones are the new norm already in my world.





  • Antique Collector
    09/15/2019 at 3:39 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    BJH You made me laugh and spit my lunch out, almost hitting the laptop..ROWL. Kids do say the darndest things lol





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    09/15/2019 at 3:39 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Me2 It’s not just 3 letter agencies the groups need to worry about. That’s only an issue with one thing and not the worst. There are folks within groups that have zero business being there. Child molesters seems to gravitate that direction for some reason. Thieves looking for intel, convicted felons looking to buy weapons, power mongers and the ones who cause the most issues by lying and keeping everyone hyped up. These are issues I’ve seen over the years within groups. Vetting members is usually sloppy and rushed. Maslow's Law is the reason for it.





  • Bill Jenkins Horse
    09/15/2019 at 3:35 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Well, my oldest Granddaughter thinks I should be more sociable. Says I'm in danger of becoming a curmudgeon. So here I am being more sociable...





  • Antique Collector
    09/15/2019 at 3:35 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Joe c That would be our 'Peanut Gallery', she lost her dh to AO. Not that many years ago(Peanut Gallery/Finally Outta CA/Chuck Finley/Just Sayin & believe McGyver)all posted over at md's old site. A person who posted there did something and the host & guest started to growl at each other on line, it went down hill from there. That is how some of the posters ended up on this site, we left for better company. Will leave it at that.





  • country
    09/15/2019 at 3:32 PM
    How To Tell How Full (or Empty) Your Propane Tank Really Is

    I was given a propane tank, but the valve was not allowed any more. Local propane dealer put in a new valve with a gauge. Cost about 25 dollars. This is a heavier tank than most of the new ones, so i did the valve replacement. The gauge seems fairly close.





  • Matt in Oklahoma
    09/15/2019 at 3:26 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    zdravo koko si I was there just before KFOR. I did a peacekeeper tour in Macedonia. I also went into some other places in the region during the conflict. I’m glad to hear from you. The input you have is valuable. My experiences there are why I prepare as hard as I do and to an extent in the manner I do. I’m glad you are here.





  • Sage
    09/15/2019 at 3:25 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis,,,, Finally got time to copy your " recipe" for 38. Thank you Me2,,,, No, I have never planted tumeric , a rhizome, but I looked it up on line, and it plants much like ginger. I have five or six pots of ginger; will acquire and plant as you suggested. Lauren,,,, Love your plant pursuits. Did not have time to respond to your sweet potatoes questions, but, I saw several responded. My thinking is that when this mess collapses ( for whatever cause,) we need to have sufficient seeds ( open pollinated to run a good while. ) Plants like cabbage etc. Produce seeds every two years, so all of them, we need to carry some of them over for 2 years to be able to reproduce them. I have been keeping sweet potatoes, whole in pots ,producing slips. Also starting slips to carry over thru winter. Also have several varieties of potatoes getting " hairy", when I get a moment, I shall start some of then in buckets ( or half barrels.) I do this to ensure I have starts for the upcoming years; if none are available from the outside world. Tomorrow, I want to butcher a big green and white striped cushaw squash and place seeds on newspaper to dry, plus I have a nice butternut to carve and save its seeds also. Seems like everything is about water, food , heat or power generation. Want to put a solar panel in greenhouse soon. Charged Toshiba laptop to take to greenhouse while I work tomorrow so I can pop in a movie while I work plus solar radio is ready to move out there too. Purchased 4' sections of formica snack bar ( in marble formica), Mennards sells them for under $2 each. Shall run them down east side to hold flower pots full of plants; they will not take sunlit from 3 horseradish and rhubarb that is growing right up out of the ground. I thank God for allowing us material and a dream to see come to fruition. It is because He loves each of us, ya know.





  • Calirefugee
    09/15/2019 at 2:19 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Hello tmcgyver: Yes, my Edward Jones advisor is predicting: "choppy waters" ahead for the economy and the markets in the near future. Actually, this prediction was made last fall. I chose the low point of the last recession of 2009 to make my big lifestyle/relocation/career change along with my wife of 9 years at the time. It worked out well for us at the time. I/we have a bigger house up here which allows us to store more food and preps than our old location. The weather is a lot different in there is more rain and humidity so safe storage for long term is a lot different compared to the heat and lack of humidity where you currently reside. The only certainty I have observed since finishing my degree in economics in the 1980's is very few people make money during a recession. Everybody loses...it is a matter of how much you have lost compared to friends, relatives and neighbors around you. Recession is also a time of change- when old companies go chapter 11 And new companies sprout up like mushrooms a manure pile. The process of growth and survival is very darwinian. Since my first career ended in a loud and sudden way, I have learned to read the paper, follow trends and try to keep up with the times. When I was young, I used to bury or immerse myself in work and did not lift my head up to look at things around me...that was a mistake. Nowdays, I try to read articles from a few financial journals and avoid reading who-kissed-who crap on both the internet and paper media.





  • me2
    09/15/2019 at 2:13 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    tmcgyver ever hear of that stock market proverb about picking up nickels in front of a fast moving steam roller? Or the one that says Bears make money, Bulls make money but pigs get slaughtered? "Any little piece of news or rumor causes double-digit % jumps like nothing anymore." Can and often does go the other way. We Work IPO just lost some 70% plus of value this week? Small well researched bets (for those casino ideas) *can* keep you ahead of inflation and for Peace of Mind a total loss needs to be planned for. Never bet rent money is a common saying. To lose money to inflation doing nothing is painful. To lose money when the market moves too fast for your options to kick in is nasty. Yes, in normal times the options do work but in 2008 they were CANCELED and that action was retroactively approved by the Government due to major Banks taking a big hit. Little guys got screwed again. Personally I am out of the market at this time. I DO NOT use ETF's or Funds for "Precious Metals" coverage as they cannot guarantee you Gold in hand upon demand. There is currently as of last Friday over 375 Paper CLAIMS on each ounce of Gold available in the COMEX. That means because of leveraged derivatives 375+ separate persons or funds or ETF's or businesses or GOVERMENTS have the IDEA they OWN that ounce of Gold. Who do you think is going to get that ounce IF push comes to Shove? I only count Gold and Silver IN Hand. Not even what is in a Bank Deposit box as the recent laws ALLOW Banks to BAIL IN with your assets like Bank accounts, CD's and Bank Deposit Box contents. Only advice I have is think of what we spend money on. Can you buy and properly store some of those daily-weekly-monthly-yearly needs to adsorb some of the pain from Inflation destroying the value of your cash? Can you pay your taxes a year ahead? Do you need a mattress base or would 5 gallon pails of supplies do as well? Honestly I am not expecting retirement, I am spending my time and money building up useful skills and the tools and REPUTATION as an Handyman-Plumber because when things get tight a cheap but reliable repair is always PAID FOR in cash or worth while trades.





  • me2
    09/15/2019 at 1:43 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis good points. My reserve was topped off last week. Might buy a couple more gas cans to fill up this week. Add to that the China for the first time got quite BLUNT with the British about doing "Freedom of the Seas" actions with the USA. They are normally far more reserved and diplomatic but with Britain making comments about Hong Kong the trade stick and military repercussions came out. With Brexit (THIS Month due) looking like a crash landing and the British Flagship and their ONLY aircraft carrier was to be deployed had to have US Marine F35's based on it that is not encouraging. Add to that that "Nutty" the Prime Minister of Israel is fighting for re-election THIS WEEK is making comments about ground troops and tanks in the Gaza due to rocket fires AND HIS recent visit to Russia did NOT help him. The Russians told him Bluntly they have a NO FLY zone over Syria and if Israeli Aircraft try to strike again they will be shot down and they left the door OPEN for tit for tat responses INSIDE Israel. "Nutty" claims Trump is signing a new mutual defense agreement between the USA and Israel. Hezbollah is eager to bust Israeli chops over the air raids into Syria and are not constrained by Russia. Hezbollah has also warned the US that all of their Aircraft Carrier and Bases are well with in their missile ranges and that they need to back off the Strait of Hormuz and stop supporting the Saudi war on the Houthi rebels. About the only thing not mentioned is terror cells inside the USA to be activated. A lot of hot coals laying around.





  • BigBadCat
    09/15/2019 at 1:24 PM
    Battery Corrosion | Why They Leak And How To Prevent It

    Wow! I have Rayovac batteries in my drawer that are at least 3 yrs. old, and no problem. Are you keeping them in a dry spot? I'd take them back if only a few months old, and demand new ones.





  • me2
    09/15/2019 at 1:20 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Plainsmedic my thought for what they are worth. Any group big enough to be "Known" has been infiltrated by 3 letter agencies. And NOT because those government agents are "Patriots". Just our Patriot ACT tax dollars at work. Ask the Bundy's about that fact. My simple rule of thumb is you are KNOWN by whom you associate with. Associating with Problem Children will get you labeled AS a Problem Child. I kind of doubt the Feds think well of AmRRon BUT I could be wrong? When I choose folks to trust I want them to be local folks I have enjoyed working together with. For example our local Elks folks are mostly wonderful people not given to nasty political chatter and live to help others. Why local people? Two reasons first I DO NOT Trust other peoples "Vouching" for others. That is the most common way 3 letter agencies get into trusted person status. Second when SHTF or other troubles come your way the LOCAL Trusted Friends can help you, not someone you "heard of" far away. Proverbs 27:10 better friends near by than relatives far away when trouble comes. If someone wants to "Start Something" I shun them. As Federal agents are often starting stuff to set up an entrapment and are generally on a planned time line. I rather liked Matt from OK's comment earlier that You have the 1st AD BUT you ALSO have the 5th AD. Proverbs 22:24 says do NOT make friendship with an angry man.... Proverbs 29:22 is worth reading also. Nobody would be harmed by reading the 1st chapter of Proverbs weekly. Other than not mentioning "stay away from crowds" directly it covers most of the ways to remain out of trouble.





  • Dennis
    09/15/2019 at 1:08 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Just thinking out loud. Trump ain't happy with Iran. Iran is flexing it's ability to hurt shipping in Strait of Hormuz. Trump frustrated with Europe's failure to support sanctions on Iran. Europe highly dependent on oil imports. Drone attack on Saudi Arabian oil refinery (world's largest), shutting down a full half of it's production. U.S. blames Iranian backed Houthi rebels in Yemen (sworn enemy of U.S.). Europe will suffer much greater economic impact from loss of petro production than U.S. Anyone else seeing a prelude to a major military involvement coming soon? Anyone else see drone attack on refinery as a lead up to similar on U.S. soil? Off shore rigs? Gulf Coast refineries? Nah, probably not. Just thinking out loud. Got gas?





  • me2
    09/15/2019 at 12:55 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Papa Smurf I've researched ether but that making sulfuric acid (A very useful thing for rebuilding batteries) is the kicker. Well more research or quicker tooth pulling like the street dentists of Mexico do. Not sure where I could find an old SF Medical manual. Remember the FM number perhaps?





  • Veteran
    09/15/2019 at 12:51 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Matt in Oklahoma, Dennis is right. I am Serb. But you are right about Macedonian people. We are same people. One tribe, one culture and one church. Same is with Montenegro people. My ancestors are from Montenegro.





  • Joe c
    09/15/2019 at 12:47 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    AC Thanks for the update on PW....and yourselves. Hopefully things will go as you all plan. I can't imagine moving, but yeah having acreage and getting older doesn't mix, too well. Anyway....I can't keep you all straight, and I know it's on the tip of my typing finger..... someone recently lost their husband and I was wondering if anyone has heard on how they're doing?





  • Joe c
    09/15/2019 at 12:39 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Ken/Slippy/tmcgyver Non ethanol is hard to find in my area. I can run about ten miles out of my way to purchase 110 octane. $8/gallon Ran it thru the quad a couple weekends ago with the kids. Starts up great every time and no sputtering at top end.





  • Veteran
    09/15/2019 at 12:39 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Mrs. U, You are right about my language. You are very kind. My family is very well for the time being.





  • Veteran
    09/15/2019 at 12:33 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Dennis, I had one hard period in my career. It is not yet finished but things are going in the right direction. I was busy and I was not able to write on this great forum. Now I am here again. Liberals are very aggressive this days in all Europe. My country is under invasion of illegal Muslim immigrants from middle east. Thousands of this people come here and they want to go to the EU but border between Bosnia and Herzegovina and EU is closed for them. So we the people here need to be polite and politically correct and accept them, because they will not cross border. We don't want them here and they don't want to be here but EU want exactly that. They protect themselves. Every day is worse than it was yesterday!





  • Joe c
    09/15/2019 at 12:31 PM
    Open Forum & Off-Topic Conversation

    Calirefugee Thank you for the information. I'm hoping to get set up and do some reloading.... hopefully after hunting season and the Holidays. Usually things slow down a bit after that. I need to contact our shooting range to see if anyone collects spent hulls and go from there. If not, I guess I'll have to be one of those online shoppers...😩





  • Slippy
    09/15/2019 at 12:28 PM
    10 Things To Do When A Stranger Knocks On Your Door

    anonymous Thanks for noticing! ...And I do believe I sense that you have a bit of the green monster of envy lurking in your post! Stick around and I'll teach, preach, make you laugh, make you cry and make the ladies swoon and the little inadequate males will be jealous with envy! I will admit that I am NOT the most interesting Man in the World...maybe top 10! (HA!!! some of you guys crack me up!) PS, thanks Antique Collector! That experience did make me smile. My wife just shook her head though!